Martin Danoesastro: What are you willing to give up to change the way we work?
마틴 다노사스트로(Martin Danoesastro): 일하는 방식을 바꾸기 위해 포기할 것
BCG’s Martin Danoesastro supports organizations to change their ways of working at scale, enabling them to succeed in an increasingly digital world. Full bio
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a flock of birds work together?
flying in perfect synchrony:
would not be able to do that
대장을 쫓는 게 아니라는 겁니다.
to follow one leader.
would simply be too low.
that these birds are relying on
자율적으로 비행하면서
to make autonomous decisions
자율성이 생겨나서
makes them fast and flexible.
with any one of us?
무슨 관련이 있을까요?
I believe to be the most important change
바꿀 필요가 있는
예시라고 할 수 있습니다.
and more complex,
alignment around purpose,
to make decisions faster.
내릴 수 있도록 해야 합니다.
은행과 일을 한 적이 있습니다.
on a digital transformation.
more intuitive, more relevant.
이해하기 쉬우면서 의미가 있길 원했죠.
have seen a bank from the inside,
내부 모습을 보셨을 지 모르겠지만
what many traditional banks look like.
내부 모습을 설명하겠습니다.
to their department,
각자 자신의 부서로 가서
engineers with engineers, etc.
엔지니어는 엔지니어 끼리 앉습니다.
in PowerPoint parking lots.
모두 다음으로 미루고
between departments.
that in order to transform,
their time to market
their ways of working as well.
한다는 걸 알고 있었습니다.
to go and have a look at companies
보다 혁신적인 곳으로 알려진
재포스 같은 곳입니다.
the halls at one of these companies
and a team of bankers.
효율적이고 창의적으로
"How is your company organized?"
"회사의 구조는 어떤가요?"
and "chapters" and "tribes"
재밌는 이름으로 조직된
that to our own world.
질문을 고쳤습니다.
are working for you?"
상상되실 겁니다.
were some of the basic principles
understanding of their model.
이해할 수 있었습니다.
of small, autonomous teams.
효율적이라고 믿었고
신생기업처럼 운영되고 있었죠.
and IT engineers in the same team
and test ideas with customers
직접 소비자들을 대상으로
between departments.
필요치 않았습니다.
right there in the team.
다 갖추고 있으니까요.
we had a session
그날 보고 배운 것에 관해
to apply some of these ideas to a bank.
방법에 대한 의견을 나눴습니다.
a guy who had not said a word all day,
말 한마디 없었던 분이
마음에 드시는 것 같은데
but we knew he was right.
embracing the new;
끝이 아니라,
on some of the old as well.
버려야 한다는 것이었습니다.
all over the world
has their own skeptics
부정적인 사람은 있습니다.
going to work for them.
맞지 않는다는 거죠.
훨씬 복잡해서 안 돼요."
the legacy IT like we do,"
기존 IT 기반에 맞지 않아요."
in our industry."
규제가 심해서 안될 거예요."
for the other companies
은행이나 다른 기업들에도
blew up the old silos
홍보, 제품, 관리, IT 등
product, channels and IT.
완전히 없앨 수 있었죠.
into 350 multidisciplinary teams.
350개의 팀으로 재조직하고,
sitting just with product people
were now members of the same team.
한 팀으로 일하게 됐습니다.
responsible for account opening
신규 계좌에 관한 일을 할 수도
할 수도 있는 거죠.
of that new organization,
일하기 시작한 첫날,
for the very first time,
사실 2분도 안되는 거리에 앉아
sitting two minutes away from each other
주고 받으며 일하던 사람이
and status reports for the last 10 years.
was always chasing for answers."
제가 항상 찾았던 분이네요."
together every day.
커피를 함께 하며,
he can just raise it
생각도 바로 들을 수 있습니다.
who is sitting right next to him.
with customers immediately --
바로 시연도 할 수 있고
형식적인 절차 등도 필요없이
requires multidisciplinary teams.
전문성을 갖춘 팀에서나 가능합니다.
up and down the organization,
팀 자체적으로 결정하는 것이
and expertise for that decision
결정에 필요한 모든 기술과 전문성이
who are working in different buildings,
일하는 사람들을
different countries today?
일하게 할 수 있을까요?
in better videoconferencing?
화상 회의 시설에 투자해야 할까요?
in the way we do things
of management matrix.
관리 체계는 필요합니다.
and process and procedure --
difficult thing to change
flexible, creative, like a mini-start-up,
신속, 유연하고 창의적인 팀을 원한다면
commanding their people what to do,
needs to become a leader,
일해야 한다는 걸 의미합니다.
to take initiative.
running in different directions,
certainly lead to chaos.
at the same time,
자율성은 동시에 요구됩니다.
on something old as well.
있기 마련입니다.
that everyone in the organization
the overall purpose -- the why --
우선과제인 무엇을
and trust their teams
올바른 결정을 내릴 거라는
on how to get there.
open and transparent communication.
투명하고 열린 소통으로 형성되는데
that information is a source of power?
they're giving up that source of power.
앗아간다고 생각하기도 합니다.
openly and transparently as well.
또한 아주 중요하죠.
typically work in short sprints,
단거리 경주를 하듯 일하고
they organize a demo session
of what they've done, transparently.
can be uncomfortable for people,
no place to hide anymore.
is transparent for everyone.
누구에게나 공유하니까요.
is not so obvious, either.
말처럼 쉽지 않습니다.
a master of milestone-tracking.
시절을 떠올리기도 하지만
to attend one of their sessions.
a master of milestone-tracking.
엄청난 변화죠.
환상에 사로잡혀 있었어요.
over time and over budget, anyway.
사업이 많을 수밖에 없으니까요.
much earlier if needed."
궤도 수정이 수월해졌습니다."
need to change as well.
and the PowerPoint,
의존하지 않으니
for middle managers.
this idea of thinkers and doers.
실천하는 사람이 나뉘었었고
managing other people,
to become player-coaches.
other people what to do,
to do things yourself again.
상상해 보세요.
new product features a few times per year.
신제품 사양의 출시가
and the red tape,
becomes more efficient.
of these companies today,
the halls of a very large start-up.
they cannot claim victory yet.
성공적이라고 하기엔 이르지만
to respond to change.
and more complex,
돌아가기 때문에
재설정 해야 합니다.
is not in structure
senior executives taking charge.
in the organization
ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Martin Danoesastro - Transformation expertBCG’s Martin Danoesastro supports organizations to change their ways of working at scale, enabling them to succeed in an increasingly digital world.
Why you should listen
Martin Danoesastro supports organizations all over the world to come to a better way of working -- a way that creates alignment around purpose, takes out bureaucracy and empowers people to make decisions faster. He helps large, traditional organizations learn from digital innovators and replace their old departmental silos with organizations built around small, empowered, persistent, multi-disciplinary teams.
Danoesastro is a senior partner and managing director of The Boston Consulting Group, based in the firm's Amsterdam office. He leads DigitalBCG in Western Europe, Africa and South America. He holds an MBA from Kellogg School of Management and an MSc in Applied Physics from Delft University of Technology.
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