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Özlem Cekic: Why I have coffee with people who send me hate mail
Ozlem Džekidž (Özlem Cekic): Zašto pijem kafu sa ljudima koji mi šalju poruke mržnje
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Prijemno sanduče elektronske pošte Ozlem Džekidž prepuno je poruka mržnje od 2007. godine, kada je dobila mesto u danskom parlamentu - i postala jedna od prvih muslimanki kojima je to uspelo. Prvo bi samo obrisala poruke, odbacivši ih kao delo fanatika, sve dok joj jednog dana prijatelj nije neočekivano predložio da stupi u kontakt sa pošiljaocima poruka i da ih pozove na kafu. Nakon stotina razgovora uz kafu, Džekidž govori o tome kako razgovor uživo može biti jedno od najmoćnijih načina da se razoruža mržnja - i sve nas izaziva da se povežemo sa ljudima sa kojima se ne slažemo.
Özlem Cekic - Bridge builder, author
Born in Turkey with Kurdish roots, Özlem Sara Cekic was one of the first women with a Muslim immigrant background to be elected to the Danish Parliament, where she served from 2007 to 2015. Full bio
Born in Turkey with Kurdish roots, Özlem Sara Cekic was one of the first women with a Muslim immigrant background to be elected to the Danish Parliament, where she served from 2007 to 2015. Full bio
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00:12
My inbox is full of hate mails
and personal abuse
and personal abuse
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Moje sanduče je puno mejlova
mržnje i zlostavljanja
mržnje i zlostavljanja
00:17
and has been for years.
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i to je tako godinama.
00:20
In 2010, I started answering those mails
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Godine 2010. sam počela
na njih da odgovaram
na njih da odgovaram
00:24
and suggesting to the writer
that we might meet for coffee and a chat.
that we might meet for coffee and a chat.
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i predlažem pošiljaocu da bismo mogli
da se nađemo na kafi i razgovoru.
da se nađemo na kafi i razgovoru.
00:30
I have had hundreds of encounters.
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Imala sam stotine susreta.
00:33
They have taught me something important
that I want to share with you.
that I want to share with you.
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I oni su me naučili nečemu važnom
što želim da podelim sa vama.
što želim da podelim sa vama.
00:39
I was born in Turkey from Kurdish parents
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Rođena sam u Turskoj u porodici Kurda,
00:42
and we moved to Denmark
when I was a young child.
when I was a young child.
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a preselili smo se u Dansku
kada sam bila dete.
kada sam bila dete.
00:46
In 2007, I ran for a seat
in the Danish parliament
in the Danish parliament
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Godine 2007, kandidovala sam se
za mesto u danskom parlamentu
za mesto u danskom parlamentu
00:50
as one of the first women
with a minority background.
with a minority background.
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kao jedna od prvih žena
manjinske pripadnosti.
manjinske pripadnosti.
00:54
I was elected,
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Izabrana sam,
00:55
but I soon found out
that not everyone was happy about it
that not everyone was happy about it
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ali sam uskoro saznala
da nisu svi bili srećni zbog toga
da nisu svi bili srećni zbog toga
00:59
as I had to quickly get used
to finding hate messages in my inbox.
to finding hate messages in my inbox.
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jer sam ubrzo morala da se naviknem
na poruke mržnje u svom sandučetu.
na poruke mržnje u svom sandučetu.
01:06
Those emails would begin
with something like this:
with something like this:
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One bi počinjale ovako:
01:10
"What's a raghead like you
doing in our parliament?"
doing in our parliament?"
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„Šta turbandžija kao ti
radi u našem parlamentu?“
radi u našem parlamentu?“
01:15
I never answered.
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Nisam odgovarala.
01:16
I'd just delete the emails.
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Samo bih obrisala poruke.
01:18
I just thought that the senders
and I had nothing in common.
and I had nothing in common.
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Mislila sam da pošiljaoci i ja
nemamo ništa zajedničko.
01:23
They didn't understand me,
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Nisu me razumeli, a ni ja njih.
01:25
and I didn't understand them.
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Jednog dana, koleginica
iz parlamenta mi je rekla
iz parlamenta mi je rekla
01:29
Then one day, one of my colleagues
in the parliament said
in the parliament said
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01:33
that I should save the hate mails.
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da bi trebalo da sačuvam poruke.
„Kada ti se nešto desi,
policija će imati trag.“
policija će imati trag.“
01:36
"When something happens to you,
it will give the police a lead."
it will give the police a lead."
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(Smeh)
01:40
(Laughter)
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01:41
I noticed that she said,
"When something happens" and not "if."
"When something happens" and not "if."
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Rekla je „Kada se desi“, a ne „ako“.
01:46
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
01:48
Sometimes hateful letters
were also sent to my home address.
were also sent to my home address.
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Ponekad bi mi pisma mržnje
stizala na kućnu adresu.
stizala na kućnu adresu.
01:53
The more I became involved
in public debate,
in public debate,
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Što sam više bila uključena
u javnu debatu,
u javnu debatu,
više poruka mržnje i pretnji sam dobijala.
01:57
the more hate mail and threats I received.
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02:01
After a while, I got a secret address
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Posle nekog vremena,
dobila sam tajnu adresu,
dobila sam tajnu adresu,
02:03
and I had to take extra precautions
to protect my family.
to protect my family.
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i preduzela sam mere opreza
da bih zaštitila porodicu.
da bih zaštitila porodicu.
Godine 2010. jedan Nacista
je počeo da me uznemirava.
je počeo da me uznemirava.
02:09
Then in 2010, a Nazi began to harass me.
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02:13
It was a man who had attacked
Muslim women on the street.
Muslim women on the street.
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Bio je to čovek koji je napao
Muslimanku na ulici.
Muslimanku na ulici.
02:18
Over time, it became much worse.
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Vremenom je postalo mnogo gore.
02:22
I was at the zoo with my children,
and the phone was ringing constantly.
and the phone was ringing constantly.
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Bila sam u zoo vrtu sa decom,
a telefon je non-stop zvonio.
a telefon je non-stop zvonio.
02:28
It was the Nazi.
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Bio je taj Nacista.
02:30
I had the impression that he was close.
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Imala sam utisak da je blizu.
Krenuli smo kući.
02:33
We headed home.
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02:35
When we got back,
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Kada smo se vratili,
02:37
my son asked, "Why does
he hate you so much, Mom,
he hate you so much, Mom,
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sin me je pitao:
„Mama, zašto te toliko mrzi,
kada te i ne poznaje?“
kada te i ne poznaje?“
02:43
when he doesn't even know you?"
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02:47
"Some people are just stupid," I said.
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„Neki ljudi su prosto glupi“, rekla sam.
02:50
And at the time, I actually thought
that was a pretty clever answer.
that was a pretty clever answer.
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Tada sam mislila da je to
prilično pametan odgovor.
prilično pametan odgovor.
02:55
And I suspect that that is the answer
most of us would give.
most of us would give.
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Verovatno bi većina nas to rekla.
02:59
The others --
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Drugi su glupi, ispran im je mozak
03:01
they are stupid, brainwashed, ignorant.
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i neuki su.
03:05
We are the good guys
and they are the bad guys, period.
and they are the bad guys, period.
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Mi smo dobri, a oni loši ljudi, i tačka.
Nekoliko nedelja kasnije,
bila sam kod prijatelja,
bila sam kod prijatelja,
03:11
Several weeks later
I was at a friend's house,
I was at a friend's house,
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03:13
and I was very upset and angry
about all the hate and racism I had met.
about all the hate and racism I had met.
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veoma uznemirena i ljuta
zbog te mržnje i rasizma.
zbog te mržnje i rasizma.
03:20
It was he who suggested
that I should call them up
that I should call them up
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On je predložio da pozovem te ljude
03:23
and visit them.
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i posetim ih.
03:26
"They will kill me," I said.
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„Ubiće me“, rekla sam.
03:29
"They would never attack a member
of the Danish Parliament," he said.
of the Danish Parliament," he said.
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„Nikada ne bi napali članicu
danskog parlamenta,“ rekao je.
danskog parlamenta,“ rekao je.
03:33
"And anyway, if they killed you,
you would become a martyr."
you would become a martyr."
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„A čak i ako te ubiju,
postala bi mučenica.“
postala bi mučenica.“
03:37
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
„Ti dobijaš u svakom slučaju.“
03:39
"So it's pure win-win situation for you."
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03:41
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
03:45
His advice was so unexpected,
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Njegov savet je bio tako neočekivan,
03:48
when I got home,
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pa sam, kada sam stigla kući,
03:49
I turned on my computer
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upalila računar
03:51
and opened the folder
where I had saved all the hate mail.
where I had saved all the hate mail.
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i otvorila folder sa porukama.
03:55
There were literally hundreds of them.
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Bukvalno ih je bilo na stotine.
03:58
Emails that started
with words like "terrorist,"
with words like "terrorist,"
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Poruke su počinjale sa „teroristo“,
04:03
"raghead,"
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„turbandžijo“
04:04
"rat," "whore."
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„pacove“, „kurvo.“
04:08
I decided to contact the one
who had sent me the most.
who had sent me the most.
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Kontaktirala sam onog koji
mi je poslao najviše poruka.
mi je poslao najviše poruka.
04:12
His name was Ingolf.
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Zvao se Ingolf.
04:17
I decided to contact him just once
so I could say at least I had tried.
so I could say at least I had tried.
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Kontaktirala sam ga samo jednom
da mogu da kažem da sam bar probala.
da mogu da kažem da sam bar probala.
04:23
To my surprise and shock,
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Na moje iznenađenje i šok,
javio se.
04:26
he answered the phone.
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04:28
I blurted out, "Hello, my name is Özlem.
You have sent me so many hate mails.
You have sent me so many hate mails.
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Izbrbljala sam: „Zdravo, ja sam Ozlem.
Poslali ste mi toliko poruka mržnje.
Poslali ste mi toliko poruka mržnje.
04:33
You don't know me, I don't know you.
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Ne znate me, ja ne znam Vas.
Da li bih mogla da svratim na kafu
04:35
I was wondering if I could come around
and we can drink a coffee together
and we can drink a coffee together
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i da popričamo?“
04:39
and talk about it?"
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(Smeh)
04:40
(Laughter)
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04:43
There was silence on the line.
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S druge strane je bila tišina.
04:47
And then he said,
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A onda je rekao:
04:50
"I have to ask my wife."
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„Moram da pitam suprugu.“
04:52
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
Šta?
04:53
What?
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04:54
The racist has a wife?
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Rasista ima suprugu?
04:56
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
Par dana kasnije sreli smo se kod njega.
04:58
A couple of days later,
we met at his house.
we met at his house.
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05:01
I will never forget
when he opened his front door
when he opened his front door
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Nikada neću zaboraviti
kada je otvorio vrata
kada je otvorio vrata
05:05
and reached out to shake my hand.
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i pružio mi ruku.
05:08
I felt so disappointed.
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Bila sam razočarana.
05:10
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
05:12
because he looked
nothing like I'd imagined.
nothing like I'd imagined.
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Nije izgledao kako sam zamišljala.
05:16
I had expected a horrible person --
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Očekivala sam užasnu osobu -
prljavu, neurednu kuću.
05:19
dirty, messy house.
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05:21
It was not.
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A nije bila.
05:23
His house smelled of coffee
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Mirisala je na kafu
posluženu u šoljicama
kakve su moji roditelji koristili.
kakve su moji roditelji koristili.
05:25
which was served from a coffee set
identical to the one my parents used.
identical to the one my parents used.
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Na kraju sam ostala dva i po sata.
05:30
I ended up staying
for two and a half hours.
for two and a half hours.
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05:34
And we had so many things in common.
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Imali smo mnogo toga zajedničkog.
05:39
Even our prejudices were alike.
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Čak i predrasude.
(Smeh)
05:41
(Laughter)
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05:43
Ingolf told me
that when he waits for the bus
that when he waits for the bus
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Rekao mi je da kada čeka autobus
05:46
and the bus stops 10 meters away from him,
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i on stane 10 metara od njega,
to je zato što je vozač „turbandžija“.
05:50
it was because the driver was a "raghead."
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Bio mi je poznat taj osećaj.
05:55
I recognized that feeling.
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05:57
When I was young
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Kada sam bila mlada
05:59
and I waited for the bus
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i čekala autobus,
a on stane 10 metara od mene,
06:01
and it stopped 10 meters away from me,
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bila bih sigurna da je vozač rasista.
06:03
I was sure that the driver was a racist.
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06:09
When I got home,
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Kada sam stigla kući,
06:11
I was very ambivalent about my experience.
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bila sam ambivalentna prema tom iskustvu.
06:15
On the one hand, I really liked Ingolf.
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S jedne strane, svideo mi se Ingolf.
06:18
He was easy and pleasant to talk to,
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Bilo je lako i prijatno pričati s njim,
a s druge strane,
06:23
but on the other hand,
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nije mi se svidelo što imam
toliko zajedničkog
toliko zajedničkog
06:25
I couldn't stand the idea
of having so much in common
of having so much in common
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sa nekim ko je imao rasistička gledišta.
06:29
with someone who had
such clearly racist views.
such clearly racist views.
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06:36
Gradually,
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Postepeno,
06:37
and painfully,
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i bolno,
06:39
I came to realize
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shvatila sam da sam osuđivala one
06:40
that I had been just as judgmental
of those who had sent me hate mails
of those who had sent me hate mails
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koji su mi slali poruke mržnje
06:46
as they had been of me.
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kao što su i oni mene.
06:50
This was the beginning
of what I call #dialoguecoffee.
of what I call #dialoguecoffee.
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To je bio početak #razgovorauzkafu.
06:56
Basically, I sit down for coffee
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U suštini, idem na kafu
06:59
with people who have said
the most terrible things to me
the most terrible things to me
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sa ljudima koji su mi rekli grozne stvari
07:02
to try to understand
why they hate people like me
why they hate people like me
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da bih razumela
zašto mrze ljude kao što sam ja
zašto mrze ljude kao što sam ja
kada me čak i ne poznaju.
07:06
when they don't even know me.
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07:10
I have been doing this
the last eight years.
the last eight years.
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To radim već osam godina.
Većina ljudi je pristala
da se vidi sa mnom.
da se vidi sa mnom.
07:14
The vast majority of people
I approach agree to meet me.
I approach agree to meet me.
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Većina njih su muškarci,
07:18
Most of them are men,
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ali je bilo i žena.
07:19
but I have also met women.
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Donela sam pravilo
da se uvek srećemo kod njih
da se uvek srećemo kod njih
07:22
I have made it a rule
to always meet them in their house
to always meet them in their house
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07:25
to convey from the outset
that I trust them.
that I trust them.
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da im odmah dam do znanja da im verujem.
07:28
I always bring food
because when we eat together,
because when we eat together,
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Uvek donesem hranu, jer,
kada jedemo zajedno,
kada jedemo zajedno,
07:32
it is easier to find
what we have in common
what we have in common
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lakše je naći sličnosti među nama
07:35
and make peace together.
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i zajednički jezik.
07:38
Along the way, I have learned
some valuable lessons.
some valuable lessons.
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Usput sam naučila neke važne lekcije.
07:42
The people who sent
hate mails are workers,
hate mails are workers,
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Ljudi koji šalju poruke mržnje
su radnici, muževi, supruge,
07:46
husbands, wives,
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07:48
parents like you and me.
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roditelji kao vi i ja.
07:50
I'm not saying that
their behavior is acceptable,
their behavior is acceptable,
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Ne kažem da je njihovo
ponašanje prihvatljivo,
ponašanje prihvatljivo,
07:54
but I have learned to distance myself
from the hateful views
from the hateful views
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ali sam naučila da se distanciram
od mrskih gledišta,
od mrskih gledišta,
a da se ne distanciram
od osobe koja ih izražava.
od osobe koja ih izražava.
07:59
without distancing myself from the person
who's expressing those views.
who's expressing those views.
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I otkrila sam
08:07
And I have discovered
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08:09
that the people I visit are just
as afraid of people they don't know
as afraid of people they don't know
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da se ti ljudi isto plaše nepoznatih ljudi
kao što sam se i ja njih plašila
kao što sam se i ja njih plašila
08:14
as I was afraid of them before
I started inviting myself for coffee.
I started inviting myself for coffee.
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pre nego što sam počela
da se pozivam na kafu.
da se pozivam na kafu.
Tokom tih susreta uvek iskrsne jedna tema.
08:21
During these meetings,
a specific theme keeps coming up.
a specific theme keeps coming up.
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08:24
It shows up regardless whether
I'm talking to a humanist or a racist,
I'm talking to a humanist or a racist,
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Bez obzira na to da li pričam
sa humanistom ili rasistom,
sa humanistom ili rasistom,
08:29
a man, a woman,
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muškarcem, ženom,
Muslimanom ili ateistom.
08:30
a Muslim or an atheist.
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08:32
They all seem to think
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Izgleda da svi misle
08:34
that other people
are to blame for the hate
are to blame for the hate
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da su drugi ljudi krivi za mržnju
08:38
and for the generalization of groups.
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i generalizaciju grupa.
08:40
They all believe that other people
have to stop demonizing.
have to stop demonizing.
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Svi oni veruju da drugi moraju
da prestanu da demonizuju.
da prestanu da demonizuju.
08:45
They point at politicians,
the media, their neighbor
the media, their neighbor
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Upiru prstom u političare, medije, komšije
08:47
or the bus driver
who stops 10 meters away.
who stops 10 meters away.
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ili vozača autobusa
koji staje 10 metara od vas.
koji staje 10 metara od vas.
08:51
But when I asked, "What about you?
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Ali kada sam pitala: „Šta je sa vama?
08:55
What can you do?",
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Šta vi možete uraditi?“,
odgovor je uglavnom:
08:57
the reply is usually,
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08:59
"What can I do?
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„Šta mogu da uradim?
Ja nemam uticaj.
09:01
I have no influence.
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09:03
I have no power."
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Ja nemam moć.“
09:06
I know that feeling.
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Poznat mi je taj osećaj.
Veliki deo svog života, i ja sam mislila
09:08
For a large part of my life,
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09:10
I also thought that I didn't have
any power or influence --
any power or influence --
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da nemam moć ili uticaj -
09:16
even when I was a member
of the Danish parliament.
of the Danish parliament.
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čak i kao članica danskog parlamenta.
09:20
But today I know the reality is different.
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Ali realnost je danas drugačija.
09:22
We all have power
and influence where we are,
and influence where we are,
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Svi imamo moć i uticaj,
09:25
so we must never,
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zato ne smemo nikada, ali nikada,
09:28
never underestimate our own potential.
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potcenjivati svoj potencijal.
09:35
The #dialoguecoffee meetings
have taught me
have taught me
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Ovi #razgovoriuzkafu su me naučili
09:37
that people of all political convictions
can be caught demonizing
can be caught demonizing
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da ljudi svih političkih ubeđenja
mogu da demonizuju
mogu da demonizuju
09:41
the others with different views.
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one sa drugačijim gledištima.
09:44
I know what I'm talking about.
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Znam o čemu govorim.
09:45
As a young child, I hated
different population groups.
different population groups.
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Kao dete, mrzela sam razne
populacijske grupe.
populacijske grupe.
09:50
And at the time, my religious views
were very extreme.
were very extreme.
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Tada su moja verska uverenja
bila vrlo ekstremna.
bila vrlo ekstremna.
09:54
But my friendship with Turks,
with Danes, with Jews and with racists
with Danes, with Jews and with racists
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Ali moje prijateljstvo sa Turcima,
Dancima, Jevrejima i rasistima
Dancima, Jevrejima i rasistima
09:59
has vaccinated me
against my own prejudices.
against my own prejudices.
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vakcinisalo me je protiv
sopstvenih predrasuda.
sopstvenih predrasuda.
Odrasla sam u radničkoj porodici,
10:04
I grew up in a working-class family,
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10:06
and on my journey I have met many people
who have insisted on speaking to me.
who have insisted on speaking to me.
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i do sada sam srela mnoge ljude
koji su insistirali da pričaju sa mnom.
koji su insistirali da pričaju sa mnom.
10:13
They have changed my views.
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Oni su promenili moja gledišta.
10:16
They have formed me as a democratic
citizen and a bridge builder.
citizen and a bridge builder.
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Napravili su od mene demokratu
koji pravi mostove među ljudima.
koji pravi mostove među ljudima.
10:22
If you want to prevent hate and violence,
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Ako želite da sprečite mržnju i nasilje,
10:24
we have to talk to as many
people as possible
people as possible
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morate pričati sa što više ljudi
10:27
for as long as possible
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što je duže moguće,
10:30
while being as open as possible.
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a da ste pritom što otvoreniji.
10:33
That can only be achieved through debate,
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To se postiže jedino debatom,
10:36
critical conversation
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kritičkim razgovorom i insistiranjem
10:38
and insisting on dialogue
that doesn't demonize people.
that doesn't demonize people.
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na dijalogu koji ne demonizuje ljude.
10:44
I'm going to ask you a question.
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Postaviću vam pitanje.
10:47
I invite you to think about it when
you get home and in the coming days,
you get home and in the coming days,
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Razmislite o tome kada dođete kući
i narednih dana,
i narednih dana,
10:51
but you have to be honest with yourself.
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ali morate biti iskreni prema sebi.
10:54
It should be easy,
no one else will know it.
no one else will know it.
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Trebalo bi da je lako, i niko neće znati.
10:58
The question is this ...
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Evo ga pitanje...
11:02
who do you demonize?
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Koga vi demonizujete?
11:06
Do you think supporters of American
President Trump are deplorables?
President Trump are deplorables?
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Da li mislite da su
Trampove pristalice jadnici?
Trampove pristalice jadnici?
11:12
Or that those who voted for Turkish
President Erdoğan are crazy Islamists?
President Erdoğan are crazy Islamists?
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Ili da su Erdoganovi glasači
ludi islamisti?
ludi islamisti?
11:20
Or that those who voted for Le Pen
in France are stupid fascists?
in France are stupid fascists?
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Ili da su oni koji su glasali za Le Pen
u Francuskoj glupi fašisti?
u Francuskoj glupi fašisti?
11:27
Or perhaps you think that Americans
who voted for Bernie Sanders
who voted for Bernie Sanders
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Ili možda mislite da su Amerikanci
koji su glasali za Bernija Sandersa
koji su glasali za Bernija Sandersa
11:31
are immature hippies.
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nezreli hipici?
11:33
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
11:35
All those words have been used
to vilify those groups.
to vilify those groups.
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Sve te reči su se koristile
da ocrne te grupe.
da ocrne te grupe.
11:41
Maybe at this point,
do you think I am an idealist?
do you think I am an idealist?
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Možda sada mislite da sam idealista?
Dajem vam izazov.
11:48
I want to give you a challenge.
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11:50
Before the end of this year,
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Do kraja godine, izazivam vas
11:52
I challenge you to invite
someone who you demonize --
someone who you demonize --
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da pozovete nekog kog demonizujete -
11:57
someone who you disagree with
politically and/or culturally
politically and/or culturally
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nekog sa kim se ne slažete
politički i/ili kulturno
politički i/ili kulturno
12:01
and don't think you have
anything in common with.
anything in common with.
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i sa kim mislite da nemate
ništa zajedničko.
ništa zajedničko.
12:06
I challenge you to invite someone
like this to #dialoguecoffee.
like this to #dialoguecoffee.
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Izazivam vas da takvu osobu
pozovete na #razgovoruzkafu.
pozovete na #razgovoruzkafu.
12:11
Remember Ingolf?
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Sećate se Ingolfa?
12:13
Basically, I'm asking you
to find an Ingolf in your life,
to find an Ingolf in your life,
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U suštini, tražim da nađete
Ingolfa u svom životu,
Ingolfa u svom životu,
12:17
contact him or her
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da kontaktirate njega ili nju
12:19
and suggest that you can meet
for #dialoguecofee.
for #dialoguecofee.
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i predložite susret.
12:23
When you start at #dialoguecoffee,
you have to remember this:
you have to remember this:
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Kada počnete sa njima
morate zapamtiti ovo:
morate zapamtiti ovo:
12:26
first, don't give up
if the person refuses at first.
if the person refuses at first.
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prvo, ne odustajte ako vas prvo odbije.
Ponekad mi je trebalo i do godinu dana
da dogovorim #razgovoruzkafu.
da dogovorim #razgovoruzkafu.
12:31
Sometimes it's taken me nearly one year
to arrange a #dialoguecoffee meeting.
to arrange a #dialoguecoffee meeting.
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12:36
Two:
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Drugo:
12:37
acknowledge the other person's courage.
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pozdravite hrabrost te osobe.
Niste samo vi hrabri.
12:40
It isn't just you who's brave.
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12:42
The one who's inviting you
into their home is just as brave.
into their home is just as brave.
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Već i osoba koja vas poziva u svoj dom.
12:46
Three:
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Treće:
ne osuđujte tokom razgovora.
12:48
don't judge during the conversation.
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12:50
Make sure that most of the conversation
focuses on what you have in common.
focuses on what you have in common.
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Pobrinite se da se većina razgovora vodi
o onome što vam je zajedničko.
o onome što vam je zajedničko.
12:55
As I said, bring food.
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Kao što sam rekla, ponesite hranu.
12:58
And finally, remember to finish
the conversation in a positive way
the conversation in a positive way
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I na kraju, završite razgovor pozitivno
jer ćete se sresti ponovo.
13:02
because you are going to meet again.
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13:04
A bridge can't be built in one day.
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Most se ne može sagraditi za jedan dan.
13:09
We are living in a world where many people
hold definitive and often extreme opinions
hold definitive and often extreme opinions
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Živimo u svetu u kome mnogi ljudi imaju
konačna i ekstremna mišljenja o drugima
13:14
about the others
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iako ih ne poznaju.
13:15
without knowing much about them.
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13:18
We notice of course the prejudices
on the other side than in our own bases.
on the other side than in our own bases.
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Primećujemo predrasude
kod drugih, ali ne kod sebe.
kod drugih, ali ne kod sebe.
13:24
And we ban them from our lives.
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I zabranjujemo ih u svojim životima.
13:27
We delete the hate mails.
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Brišemo poruke mržnje.
13:29
We hang out only with people
who think like us
who think like us
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Družimo se samo sa istomišljenicima
13:32
and talk about the others
in a category of disdain.
in a category of disdain.
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i pričamo o drugima sa prezirom.
13:36
We unfriend people on Facebook,
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Brišemo ljude sa Fejsbuka,
13:39
and when we meet people
who are discriminating
who are discriminating
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a kada upoznamo ljude koji diskriminišu
13:42
or dehumanizing people or groups,
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ili dehumanizuju ljude ili grupe,
13:44
we don't insist on speaking with them
to challenge their opinions.
to challenge their opinions.
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ne insistiramo na razgovoru sa njima
da izazovemo njihovo mišljenje.
da izazovemo njihovo mišljenje.
13:50
That's how healthy democratic
societies break down --
societies break down --
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Tako zdrava demokratska društva pucaju -
13:55
when we don't check the personal
responsibility for the democracy.
responsibility for the democracy.
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kada ne prihvatimo ličnu odgovornost
za demokratiju.
za demokratiju.
Uzimamo demokratiju zdravo za gotovo.
14:00
We take the democracy for granted.
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14:03
It is not.
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A ne treba.
14:06
Conversation is the most difficult
thing in a democracy
thing in a democracy
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Razgovor je najteža stvar u demokratiji
14:10
and also the most important.
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ali i najvažnija.
Evo mog izazova.
14:16
So here's my challenge.
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Nađite svog Ingolfa.
14:18
Find your Ingolf.
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(Smeh)
14:20
(Laughter)
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14:21
Start a conversation.
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Započnite razgovor.
14:23
Trenches have been dug
between people, yes,
between people, yes,
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Rovovi su kopani među ljudima, da,
14:27
but we all have the ability to build
the bridges that cross the trenches.
the bridges that cross the trenches.
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ali svi možemo da gradimo
mostove preko tih rovova.
mostove preko tih rovova.
14:35
And let me end by quoting my friend,
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Završiću citirajući prijatelja,
14:38
Sergeot Uzan,
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Seržota Uzana,
14:40
who lost his son, Dan Uzan,
in a terror attack
in a terror attack
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koji je izgubio sina, Dena Uzana,
u terorističkom napadu
u terorističkom napadu
14:44
on a Jewish synagogue in Copenhagen, 2015.
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na jevrejsku sinagogu
u Kopenhagenu, 2015. godine.
u Kopenhagenu, 2015. godine.
14:49
Sergio rejected any suggestion of revenge
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Seržot je odbio predloge o osveti
14:53
and instead said this ...
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i, umesto toga, rekao:
14:58
"Evil can only be defeated
by kindness between people.
by kindness between people.
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„Zlo se može pobediti jedino
dobrotom među ljudima.
dobrotom među ljudima.
15:03
Kindness demands courage."
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Dobrota zahteva hrabrost.“
Dragi prijatelji,
15:07
Dear friends,
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budimo hrabri.
15:09
let's be courageous.
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15:11
Thank you.
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Hvala vam.
15:12
(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Özlem Cekic - Bridge builder, authorBorn in Turkey with Kurdish roots, Özlem Sara Cekic was one of the first women with a Muslim immigrant background to be elected to the Danish Parliament, where she served from 2007 to 2015.
Why you should listen
During her time as a member of Folketing, the Danish Parliament, Özlem Cekic's inbox was inundated with hate mail and threats. She first responded by deleting the emails, but then she started replying and inviting those who had sent her abusive messages to meet and engage in dialogue. She calls it #dialoguecoffee, as the meetings generally happen over coffee, and usually at the home of the person who wrote the message. She has met neo-Nazis, racists and religious extremists as she works to try to understand the origin of the hate, find a common language and develop a toolkit for building bridges.
Özlem Cekic | Speaker | TED.com