ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Noreena Hertz - Economist
Noreena Hertz looks at global culture -- financial and otherwise -- using an approach that combines traditional economic analysis with foreign policy trends, psychology, behavioural economics, anthropology, history and sociology.

Why you should listen

For more than two decades, Noreena Hertz’s economic predictions have been accurate and ahead of the curve. In her recent book The Silent Takeover, Hertz predicted that unregulated markets and massive financial institutions would have serious global consequences while her 2005 book IOU: The Debt Threat predicted the 2008 financial crisis.

An influential economist on the international stage, Hertz also played an influential role in the development of (RED), an innovative commercial model to raise money for people with AIDS in Africa, having inspired Bono (co-founder of the project) with her writings.

Her work is considered to provide a much needed blueprint for rethinking economics and corporate strategy. She is the Duisenberg Professor of Globalization, Sustainability and Finance based at Duisenberg School of Finance, RSM, Erasmus University and University of Cambridge. She is also a Fellow of University College London.

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TEDSalon London 2010

Noreena Hertz: How to use experts -- and when not to

诺丽娜∙赫兹:何时听从专家的意见 -- 何时不?

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我们每天都要进行重要的决策--而我们常常依赖专家帮我们选择。但是经济学家诺丽娜∙赫兹认为,过分依赖专家有局限性,甚至对我们有害。她呼吁我们要让专业知识走向平民化—“不要只听信外科医生和首席执行官的话,也要听听商店店员的建议“。
- Economist
Noreena Hertz looks at global culture -- financial and otherwise -- using an approach that combines traditional economic analysis with foreign policy trends, psychology, behavioural economics, anthropology, history and sociology. Full bio

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It's Monday星期一 morning早上.
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星期一的早晨
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In Washington华盛顿,
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在华盛顿
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the president主席 of the United联合的 States状态
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is sitting坐在 in the Oval椭圆 Office办公室,
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坐在椭圆形办公室里,
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assessing评估 whether是否 or not
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思忖着是否
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to strike罢工 Al Qaeda凯达
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要打击也门
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in Yemen也门.
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的基地组织。
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At Number 10 Downing唐宁 Street,
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在唐宁街(英国首相府)
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David大卫 Cameron卡梅伦 is trying to work out
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大卫·卡梅隆(英国首相)正在考虑
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whether是否 to cut more public上市 sector扇形 jobs工作
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是否削减更多公共部门职位
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in order订购 to stave谱表 off a double-dip双底 recession不景气.
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以对抗二次经济衰退。
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In Madrid马德里, Maria玛丽亚 Gonzalez冈萨雷斯
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在马德里,玛丽亚∙冈萨雷斯
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is standing常设 at the door,
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站在门边
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listening to her baby宝宝 crying哭了 and crying哭了,
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听着她的孩子不停哭泣
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trying to work out whether是否 she should let it cry
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她想弄明白是该让孩子继续哭
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until直到 it falls下降 asleep睡着
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哭到自己睡着
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or pick it up and hold保持 it.
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还是把孩子抱起来,哄一哄。
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And I am sitting坐在 by my father's父亲的 bedside床头 in hospital醫院,
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在医院,我坐在父亲的病床旁,
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trying to work out
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想知道
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whether是否 I should let him drink
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是否让他喝下
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the one-and-a-half-liter一个和半升 bottle瓶子 of water
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那瓶1.5公升的水
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that his doctors医生 just came来了 in and said,
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刚才他的医生来到病房说:
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"You must必须 make him drink today今天," --
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“你今天必须让他喝下去,” --
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my father's父亲的 been nil by mouth for a week --
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我父亲饮食难咽已经一个星期了,
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or whether是否, by giving him this bottle瓶子,
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让他喝下这么一大瓶水,
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I might威力 actually其实 kill him.
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简直是要了他的命。
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We face面对 momentous重大 decisions决定
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在我们的一生中,我们会面临着种种重要选择,
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with important重要 consequences后果
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这些选择的结果
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throughout始终 our lives生活,
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会产生重要影响。
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and we have strategies策略 for dealing交易 with these decisions决定.
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我们有各种途径来应对这些选择:
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We talk things over with our friends朋友,
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跟朋友倾谈
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we scour冲刷 the Internet互联网,
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上网搜索
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we search搜索 through通过 books图书.
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或者查阅书籍
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But still,
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但是
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even in this age年龄
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即便当今
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of Google谷歌 and TripAdvisor到到网
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我们有谷歌、到到网
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and Amazon亚马逊 Recommends建议,
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和亚马逊推荐,
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it's still experts专家
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我们仍然
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that we rely依靠 upon most --
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最信赖专家--
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especially特别 when the stakes赌注 are high
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尤其是在风险很高
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and the decision决定 really matters事项.
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选择非常重要更是如此。
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Because in a world世界 of data数据 deluge洪水
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因为在一个拥有海量数据
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and extreme极端 complexity复杂,
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和极其纷繁复杂的世界中,
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we believe that experts专家
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我们相信专家
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are more able能够 to process处理 information信息 than we can --
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比我们更善于处理信息--
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that they are able能够 to come to better conclusions结论
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他们给出的结论
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than we could come to on our own拥有.
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往往比我们自己的结论要好。
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And in an age年龄
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在一个
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that is sometimes有时 nowadays如今 frightening可怕的
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让我们时常感到恐惧
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or confusing扑朔迷离,
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有时困惑的时代,
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we feel reassured放心
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我们只有把专家
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by the almost几乎 parental-like父母般的 authority权威
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当作父母一样的权威
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of experts专家
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来信赖
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who tell us so clearly明确地 what it is
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听从他们所说的话
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we can and cannot不能 do.
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遵循他们的建议做选择才感到安心。
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But I believe
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但我认为
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that this is a big problem问题,
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这是一个大问题
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a problem问题 with potentially可能 dangerous危险 consequences后果
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甚至可能严重的影响到我们
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for us as a society社会,
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整个社会
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as a culture文化
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整个文化
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and as individuals个人.
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及我们个人。
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It's not that experts专家
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我并不是在否定专家
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have not massively大规模 contributed贡献 to the world世界 --
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对世界作出的巨大贡献--
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of course课程 they have.
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他们当然有贡献。
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The problem问题 lies with us:
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问题出在我们身上--
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we've我们已经 become成为 addicted上瘾 to experts专家.
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我们已变得过于依赖专家。
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We've我们已经 become成为 addicted上瘾 to their certainty肯定,
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我们过于相信专家是千真万确、
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their assuredness放心使用,
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十拿九稳、
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their definitiveness确定性,
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永不出错,
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and in the process处理,
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在这一过程中
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we have ceded割让 our responsibility责任,
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我们放弃了自己的责任
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substituting our intellect智力
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丢弃了自己的逻辑思维
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and our intelligence情报
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和聪明才智
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for their supposed应该 words of wisdom智慧.
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只相信专家的”真知灼见“。
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We've我们已经 surrendered投降 our power功率,
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我们放弃了自己的力量,
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trading贸易 off our discomfort不舒服
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因为自己无法确定感到苦恼,
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with uncertainty不确定
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所以幻想通过
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for the illusion错觉 of certainty肯定
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专家的确定性
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that they provide提供.
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来排解我们的苦恼。
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This is no exaggeration夸张.
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我没有夸张
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In a recent最近 experiment实验,
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最近有一个实验
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a group of adults成年人
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对一组成年人
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had their brains大脑 scanned扫描 in an MRIMRI machine
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的大脑进行磁共振扫描
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as they were listening to experts专家 speak说话.
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同时让他们听专家讲话
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The results结果 were quite相当 extraordinary非凡.
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扫描结果让人惊讶:
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As they listened听了 to the experts'专家 voices声音,
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他们听专家讲话的同时
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the independent独立 decision-making做决定 parts部分 of their brains大脑
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switched交换的 off.
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就停止活动--
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It literally按照字面 flat-lined平成荫.
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屏幕上出现一条直线。
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And they listened听了 to whatever随你 the experts专家 said
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无论专家所说的话是什么
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and took their advice忠告, however然而 right or wrong错误.
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他们都全盘接受专家的建议,不分对错。
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But experts专家 do get things wrong错误.
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但是专家也会犯错。
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Did you know that studies学习 show显示
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你们知道有研究表明
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that doctors医生 misdiagnose误诊
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医生的诊断结果中
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four times out of 10?
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有40%的误诊率吗?
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Did you know
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你们知道有数据表明
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that if you file文件 your tax returns回报 yourself你自己,
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如果你自己填纳税申报单,
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you're statistically统计学 more likely容易
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自己往往计算得正确,
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to be filing备案 them correctly正确地
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而找一个纳税顾问
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than if you get a tax adviser顾问
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来帮你报税
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to do it for you?
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正确率要差很多吗?
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And then there's, of course课程, the example
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当然,我还能举出
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that we're all too aware知道的 of:
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大家更熟悉的例子:
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financial金融 experts专家
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正因为金融专家
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getting得到 it so wrong错误
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大错特错,
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that we're living活的 through通过 the worst最差 recession不景气
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所以我们陷入了自30年代以来
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since以来 the 1930s.
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最糟糕的经济衰退。
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For the sake清酒 of our health健康,
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为了我们的健康,
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our wealth财富
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and our collective集体 security安全,
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以及共同安全
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it's imperative势在必行 that we keep
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我们必须要保持
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the independent独立 decision-making做决定 parts部分 of our brains大脑
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大脑的独立决策能力
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switched交换的 on.
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时时开启。
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And I'm saying this as an economist经济学家
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我是一个经济学者,
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who, over the past过去 few少数 years年份,
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在过去的几年中
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has focused重点 my research研究
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集中研究
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on what it is we think
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我们人类的想法
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and who it is we trust相信 and why,
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我们相信谁以及为什么相信他们。
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but also --
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但同时--
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and I'm aware知道的 of the irony讽刺 here --
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我也意识到比较讽刺的一点--
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as an expert专家 myself,
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我本身就是专家
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as a professor教授,
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也是一名教授,
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as somebody who advises建议 prime主要 ministers部长,
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我为许多首相、大公司的领导
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heads of big companies公司,
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和国际组织
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international国际 organizations组织,
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提供建议;
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but an expert专家 who believes相信
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但我自己却认为
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that the role角色 of experts专家 needs需求 to change更改,
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专家的角色需要转变,
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that we need to become成为 more open-minded思想开明的,
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专家的思维应该更开放,
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more democratic民主的
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更听从公众的意见,
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and be more open打开
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更加能容纳
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to people rebelling反叛 against反对
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那些质疑
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our points of view视图.
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我们观点的人。
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So in order订购 to help you understand理解
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为了帮助大家了解
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where I'm coming未来 from,
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我的背景,
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let me bring带来 you into my world世界,
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我先带大家了解下我的世界
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the world世界 of experts专家.
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专家的世界。
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Now there are, of course课程, exceptions例外,
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当然,现实中不乏例子表明
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wonderful精彩, civilization-enhancing文明增强 exceptions例外.
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专家推动了人类文明的进步,
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But what my research研究 has shown显示 me
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但我的研究表明
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is that experts专家 tend趋向 on the whole整个
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专家整体上倾向于
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to form形成 very rigid死板 camps营地,
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形成非常顽固的阵营,
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that within these camps营地,
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在每个阵营之内
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a dominant优势 perspective透视 emerges出现
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有一个占主导地位的观点
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that often经常 silences沉默 opposition反对,
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常常压制其他的反对观点。
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that experts专家 move移动 with the prevailing优势 winds,
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专家也都随波逐流
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often经常 hero-worshipping英雄崇拜
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通常都追捧
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their own拥有 gurus大师.
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自己那一派的泰斗。
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Alan艾伦 Greenspan's格林斯潘 proclamations宣言
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阿兰·格林斯潘曾经宣称
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that the years年份 of economic经济 growth发展
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经济增长会连年持续
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would go on and on,
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不会停滞,
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not challenged挑战 by his peers同行,
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业内没人挑战他的权威,
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until直到 after the crisis危机, of course课程.
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但后来经济危机却席卷而来。
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You see,
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你瞧,
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we also learn学习
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我们要明白
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that experts专家 are located位于,
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专家也有地域性,
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are governed治理,
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也受到
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by the social社会 and cultural文化 norms规范
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既定的社会文化准则
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of their times --
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的制约--
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whether是否 it be the doctors医生
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举几个例子:
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in Victorian维多利亚时代 England英国, say,
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英国维多利亚时代的医生
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who sent发送 women妇女 to asylums疯人院
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把表达自己性欲的女性
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for expressing表达 sexual有性 desire欲望,
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送到精神病院;
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or the psychiatrists精神科医生 in the United联合的 States状态
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美国的精神科医生
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who, up until直到 1973,
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一直到1973年
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were still categorizing归类 homosexuality同性恋
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还把同性恋归结为
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as a mental心理 illness疾病.
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精神疾病
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And what all this means手段
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所有这些表明
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is that paradigms范式
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人们的思维范式
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take far too long to shift转移,
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根深蒂固、迟于改变,
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that complexity复杂 and nuance细微差别 are ignored忽视
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而且忽略了复杂性和差异性
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and also that money talks会谈 --
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还往往向金钱看齐--
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because we've我们已经 all seen看到 the evidence证据
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我们都看到过
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of pharmaceutical制药 companies公司
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制药公司
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funding资金 studies学习 of drugs毒品
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出资研究药品
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that conveniently便利地 leave离开 out
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却图方便对药品最大的副作用
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their worst最差 side effects效果,
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置之不理,
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or studies学习 funded资助 by food餐饮 companies公司
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还有一些食品公司
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of their new products制品,
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出资研究自己的新产品,
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massively大规模 exaggerating夸大 the health健康 benefits好处
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of the products制品 they're about to bring带来 by market市场.
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的健康疗效极其夸大。
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The study研究 showed显示 that food餐饮 companies公司 exaggerated夸张的
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than an independent独立 study研究.
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that experts专家, of course课程,
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专家当然
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also make mistakes错误.
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也会犯错。
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They make mistakes错误 every一切 single day --
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mistakes错误 born天生 out of carelessness疏忽.
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A recent最近 study研究 in the Archives档案 of Surgery手术
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reported报道 surgeons外科医生
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removing去除 healthy健康 ovaries卵巢,
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operating操作 on the wrong错误 side of the brain,
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做脑手术时弄错了左右,
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carrying携带 out procedures程序 on the wrong错误 hand,
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也会搞错要动手术的是哪只手,
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elbow弯头, eye, foot脚丫子,
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肘,眼睛或者脚;
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and also mistakes错误 born天生 out of thinking思维 errors错误.
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A common共同 thinking思维 error错误
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of radiologists放射科医生, for example --
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when they look at CTCT scans扫描 --
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is that they're overly过于 influenced影响
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by whatever随你 it is
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如何诊断病人的病症,
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that the referring physician医师 has said
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that he suspects犯罪嫌疑人
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the patient's耐心 problem问题 to be.
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先前诊断的影响。
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of a patient患者 with suspected嫌疑 pneumonia肺炎, say,
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的病人,看着扫描结果,
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what happens发生 is that,
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of pneumonia肺炎 on the scan扫描,
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they literally按照字面 stop looking at it --
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就不会进一步观察--
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thereby从而 missing失踪 the tumor
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sitting坐在 three inches英寸 below下面
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on the patient's耐心 lungs.
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还有肿瘤。
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I've shared共享 with you so far
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目前为止我已经跟大家
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some insights见解 into the world世界 of experts专家.
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分享了一些我对专家的看法
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These are, of course课程,
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not the only insights见解 I could share分享,
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分享这些想法
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but I hope希望 they give you a clear明确 sense at least最小
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而是希望至少让大家明白
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of why we need to stop kowtowing叩头 to them,
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我们为什么要停止崇拜专家
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why we need to rebel反叛
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为什么要质疑他们的想法
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and why we need to switch开关
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以及为什么要保持我们的
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our independent独立 decision-making做决定 capabilities功能 on.
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独立决策能力常启常新
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But how can we do this?
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具体要怎样做呢?
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Well for the sake清酒 of time,
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因为时间有限
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I want to focus焦点 on just three strategies策略.
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我在这里主要讲三种方法
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First, we've我们已经 got to be ready准备 and willing愿意
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第一,我们应该自愿主动的
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to take experts专家 on
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反对专家的意见
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and dispense发放 with this notion概念 of them
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摒弃那种把他们当成现世圣人
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as modern-day现代 apostles使徒.
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的想法。
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This doesn't mean having to get a Ph博士.D.
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这不是意味着你得成为
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in every一切 single subject学科,
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某个学科的博士
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you'll你会 be relieved安心 to hear.
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大家听到这句会松一口气
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But it does mean persisting坚持
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而是说,比如,专家难免会
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in the face面对 of their inevitable必然 annoyance烦恼
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表现的不耐烦
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when, for example,
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例如,当我们
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we want them to explain说明 things to us
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想让专家用我们
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in language语言 that we can actually其实 understand理解.
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能明白的话解释一些事情时。
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Why was it that, when I had an operation手术,
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为什么这么说呢,有一次我要做个手术,
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my doctor医生 said to me,
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我的医生跟我说,
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"Beware谨防, Ms女士. Hertz赫兹,
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“赫兹小姐,小心体温过高的
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of hyperpyrexia高热,"
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症状,”
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when he could have just as easily容易 said,
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他可以简单的说,
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"Watch out for a high fever发热."
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小心别发高烧。
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You see, being存在 ready准备 to take experts专家 on
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听从专家的意见
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is about also being存在 willing愿意
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也就是要主动的
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to dig behind背后 their graphs,
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探寻他们给出的图表,
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their equations方程, their forecasts预测,
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等式,诊断,估计等等
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their prophecies预言,
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背后真正的涵义,
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and being存在 armed武装 with the questions问题 to do that --
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还要自己准备问一些问题,
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questions问题 like:
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What are the assumptions假设 that underpin支撑 this?
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你是基于何种推断得出这种观点?
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What is the evidence证据 upon which哪一个 this is based基于?
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推断的依据是什么?
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What has your investigation调查 focused重点 on?
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你的检查是集中于哪方面,
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And what has it ignored忽视?
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忽略了什么方面?
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It recently最近 came来了 out
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最近有研究表明,
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that experts专家 trialing试运行 drugs毒品
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有些专家对即将上市药品
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before they come to market市场
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进行测试的时候
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typically一般 trial审讯 drugs毒品
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他们通常首先
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first, primarily主要 on male animals动物
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在雄性动物身上试验,
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and then, primarily主要 on men男人.
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然后在男性身上试验。
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It seems似乎 that they've他们已经 somehow不知何故 overlooked忽视 the fact事实
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他们好像忽略了一个事实:
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that over half the world's世界 population人口 are women妇女.
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世界上超过一半的人口是女性。
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And women妇女 have drawn the short medical straw稻草
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所以女性在医药测试中总是倒霉的一方,
11:52
because it now turns out that many许多 of these drugs毒品
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因为现在证明许多药品
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don't work nearly几乎 as well on women妇女
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对男性有效
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as they do on men男人 --
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对女性效果却不大,
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and the drugs毒品 that do work well work so well
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甚至由于药品药性过于强大,女性服用后
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that they're actively积极地 harmful有害 for women妇女 to take.
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反而对身体造成很大伤害。
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Being存在 a rebel反叛 is about recognizing认识
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所以质疑专家实际上是
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that experts'专家 assumptions假设
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认识到专家的推断,
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and their methodologies方法
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他们采用的方法
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can easily容易 be flawed有缺陷.
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也往往是有缺陷的,
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Second第二,
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第二,
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we need to create创建 the space空间
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我们需要营造出一种空间
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for what I call "managed管理 dissent异议."
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”提出管理性异见“。
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If we are to shift转移 paradigms范式,
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如果我们要转变思维和行为模式,
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if we are to make breakthroughs突破,
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取得突破,
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if we are to destroy破坏 myths神话,
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打破神秘,
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we need to create创建 an environment环境
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我们就需要培养出一种氛围,
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in which哪一个 expert专家 ideas思路 are battling作战 it out,
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让专家的想法打出胜负,
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in which哪一个 we're bringing使 in
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让我们大胆地提出各种新的
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new, diverse多种, discordant不和谐, heretical views意见
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不和谐的声音和离经叛道的想法,
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into the discussion讨论,
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在参与讨论的过程中
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fearlessly无所畏惧,
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我们要无所畏惧。
12:46
in the knowledge知识 that progress进展 comes about,
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因为我们知道进步不仅来自于
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not only from the creation创建 of ideas思路,
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提出新构想,
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but also from their destruction毁坏 --
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也来源于解构旧想法;
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and also from the knowledge知识
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因为我们知道
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that, by surrounding周围 ourselves我们自己
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我们必须敞开心胸接受各种
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by divergent发散, discordant不和谐,
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不和谐的声音,接受
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heretical views意见.
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离经叛道的想法。
13:06
All the research研究 now shows节目 us
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所有研究表明只有这样
13:08
that this actually其实 makes品牌 us smarter聪明.
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我们才会变得更聪明。
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Encouraging鼓舞人心的 dissent异议 is a rebellious notion概念
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鼓励不和谐的声音其实很反叛,
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because it goes against反对 our very instincts本能,
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因为这与我们的本能背道而驰,
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which哪一个 are to surround环绕 ourselves我们自己
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我们的本能是只接受
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with opinions意见 and advice忠告
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那些我们已经深信或者
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that we already已经 believe
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主观上想去相信
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or want to be true真正.
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的意见和建议。
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And that's why I talk about the need
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这也就是为什么我提倡我需要
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to actively积极地 manage管理 dissent异议.
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积极的管理异见。
13:35
Google谷歌 CEOCEO Eric埃里克 Schmidt施密特
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谷歌首席执行官埃里克·施密特
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is a practical实际的 practitioner从业者
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在现实中就秉承
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of this philosophy哲学.
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这种哲学理念
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In meetings会议, he looks容貌 out for the person in the room房间 --
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开会时,他就望向房间里的人--
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arms武器 crossed越过, looking a bit bemused困惑的 --
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他的手臂端着,神色些许困惑--
13:48
and draws them into the discussion讨论,
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他让每个人参与到讨论中来,
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trying to see if they indeed确实 are
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看看这些人能否真正
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the person with a different不同 opinion意见,
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提出不同的意见,
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so that they have dissent异议 within the room房间.
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这样会议室内才有各种不同的声音。
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Managing管理的 dissent异议
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管理异见就是
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is about recognizing认识 the value
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认识到让各种不同声音,
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of disagreement异议, discord不和
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不同意见
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and difference区别.
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百家争鸣的价值性。
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But we need to go even further进一步.
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但我们需要更进一步,
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We need to fundamentally从根本上 redefine重新定义
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从根本上重新定义
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who it is that experts专家 are.
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专家的概念
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The conventional常规 notion概念
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传统概念
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is that experts专家 are people
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将专家定义为那些有
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with advanced高级 degrees,
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高等学位,有名头衔
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fancy幻想 titles标题, diplomas文凭,
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持各种证书或
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best-selling最畅销 books图书 --
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写过畅销书的人--
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high-status高地位 individuals个人.
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都是有名望的人。
14:34
But just imagine想像
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但是请想象一下
14:36
if we were to junk破烂
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如果我们抛弃
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this notion概念 of expertise专门知识
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把专家的意见当成
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as some sort分类 of elite原种 cadre干部
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金科玉律的想法,
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and instead代替 embrace拥抱 the notion概念
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相反,勇于接受让专业知识
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of democratized民主化 expertise专门知识 --
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走向平民化的想法,
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whereby因此 expertise专门知识 was not just the preserve保留
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这样专业知识就不仅仅是外科医生
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of surgeons外科医生 and CEO's首席执行官,
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或首席执行官的独有领域,
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but also shop-girls店女孩 -- yeah.
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也可以由店员传授给你。
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Best最好 Buy购买,
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美国百思买是一家
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the consumer消费者 electronics电子产品 company公司,
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消费型电子产品公司,
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gets得到 all its employees雇员 --
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它鼓励公司所有员工
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the cleaners清洁工, the shop assistants助理,
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无论是保洁员,店员,还是
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the people in the back office办公室,
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后勤人员参都与公司决策,
15:13
not just its forecasting预测 team球队 --
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而不是把这些任务
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to place地点 bets赌注, yes bets赌注,
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留给预测团队一力承担。
15:18
on things like whether是否 or not
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员工共同参谋比如
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a product产品 is going to sell well before Christmas圣诞,
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某一产品能否在圣诞节前畅销,
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on whether是否 customers'顾客' new ideas思路
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或者顾客提出的新想法
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are going to be or should be taken采取 on by the company公司,
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是否可以被公司采纳,
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on whether是否 a project项目
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某个项目能否
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will come in on time.
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及时进行等等。
15:34
By leveraging借力
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通过利用
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and by embracing拥抱
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和鼓励专业知识
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the expertise专门知识 within the company公司,
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在公司里普及,
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Best最好 Buy购买 was able能够 to discover发现, for example,
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百思买得以发现,例如,
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that the store商店 that it was going to open打开 in China中国 --
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公司计划在中国开业的
15:47
its big, grand盛大 store商店 --
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大型百思买商店
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was not going to open打开 on time.
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却不能按期开业,
15:52
Because when it asked its staff员工,
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因为当时公司问员工,
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all its staff员工, to place地点 their bets赌注
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让所有的员工下注
15:57
on whether是否 they thought the store商店 would open打开 on time or not,
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猜中国的商店能否如期开业,
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a group from the finance金融 department
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公司财政部的一组员工
16:04
placed放置 all their chips芯片
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全部都投了否定票
16:06
on that not happening事件.
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认为不会如期开业。
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It turned转身 out that they were aware知道的,
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结果证明这组员工
16:11
as no one else其他 within the company公司 was,
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在公司其他部门都没有意识到时候
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of a technological技术性 blip昙花一现
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对技术性的故障已有先见之明,
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that neither也不 the forecasting预测 experts专家,
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而对这种故障无论是预测专家
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nor也不 the experts专家 on the ground地面 in China中国,
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还是在公司在中国的专家
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were even aware知道的 of.
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都没料到。
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The strategies策略
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今天晚上
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that I have discussed讨论 this evening晚间 --
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我跟大家探讨的策略--
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embracing拥抱 dissent异议,
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欢迎不和谐声音、
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taking服用 experts专家 on,
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反对专家的意见、
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democratizing民主化 expertise专门知识,
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让专业知识走向平民化
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rebellious strategies策略 --
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接受不同的意见,
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are strategies策略 that I think
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我认为这些策略
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would serve服务 us all well to embrace拥抱
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能让我们游刃有余地
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as we try to deal合同 with the challenges挑战
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应对当今这个迷乱、复杂
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of these very confusing扑朔迷离, complex复杂,
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艰难的时代为我们
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difficult times.
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带来的挑战。
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For if we keep
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如果我们保持
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our independent独立 decision-making做决定 part部分
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大脑的决策功能
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of our brains大脑 switched交换的 on,
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时时开启,
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if we challenge挑战 experts专家, if we're skeptical怀疑的,
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如果我们挑战专家,敢于质疑,
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if we devolve下放 authority权威,
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瓦解所谓权威,
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if we are rebellious,
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如过我们能提出反对声音,
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but also
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同时,
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if we become成为 much more comfortable自在
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如果我们能更加坦然接受
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with nuance细微差别,
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所面对的差异、
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uncertainty不确定 and doubt怀疑,
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不确定性和质疑,
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and if we allow允许 our experts专家
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如果我们也允许
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to express表现 themselves他们自己
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专家能够以这些方式
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using运用 those terms条款 too,
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来阐释他们自己,
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we will set ourselves我们自己 up
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我们就能够更好的
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much better
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武装自己,
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for the challenges挑战 of the 21stST century世纪.
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应对21世纪的挑战。
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For now, more than ever,
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现在比以往
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is not the time
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更需要我们
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to be blindly盲目地 following以下,
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抛弃忙从、
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blindly盲目地 accepting验收,
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盲目接受
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blindly盲目地 trusting信任的.
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盲目相信。
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Now is the time to face面对 the world世界
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现在正需要我们
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with eyes眼睛 wide open打开 --
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睁大眼睛看世界--
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yes, using运用 experts专家
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当然也需要专家帮助
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to help us figure数字 things out, for sure --
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我们解决问题--
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I don't want to completely全然 do myself out of a job工作 here --
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我还不想让自己彻底失业--
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but being存在 aware知道的
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但是,要意识到
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of their limitations限制
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专家的局限性
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and, of course课程, also our own拥有.
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还有我们自己的局限性。
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Thank you.
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谢谢大家
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(Applause掌声)
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(掌声)
Translated by TONG LI
Reviewed by Felix Chen

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ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Noreena Hertz - Economist
Noreena Hertz looks at global culture -- financial and otherwise -- using an approach that combines traditional economic analysis with foreign policy trends, psychology, behavioural economics, anthropology, history and sociology.

Why you should listen

For more than two decades, Noreena Hertz’s economic predictions have been accurate and ahead of the curve. In her recent book The Silent Takeover, Hertz predicted that unregulated markets and massive financial institutions would have serious global consequences while her 2005 book IOU: The Debt Threat predicted the 2008 financial crisis.

An influential economist on the international stage, Hertz also played an influential role in the development of (RED), an innovative commercial model to raise money for people with AIDS in Africa, having inspired Bono (co-founder of the project) with her writings.

Her work is considered to provide a much needed blueprint for rethinking economics and corporate strategy. She is the Duisenberg Professor of Globalization, Sustainability and Finance based at Duisenberg School of Finance, RSM, Erasmus University and University of Cambridge. She is also a Fellow of University College London.

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