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Guillaume Néry: The exhilarating peace of freediving
Guillaume Néry: 自由潛水中那令人欣喜的寧靜
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在這次令人驚嘆的講演中, 世界自由潛水冠軍Guillaume Néry攜我們一同去海洋的深處. 一米一米地下潛, 他解釋了水壓, 水下的安靜, 控制呼吸在生理和心理上的影響. 他對水下經歷的生動形象的描述展現了隱藏在自由潛水運動中的詩情畫意.
Guillaume Néry - World champion freediver
With just one breath, Guillaume Néry can dive to -125m below the water's surface. Full bio
With just one breath, Guillaume Néry can dive to -125m below the water's surface. Full bio
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(Video) Announcer: 10 seconds.
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Five, four, three, two, one.
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Official top.
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挑戰吉尼斯,
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Plus one, two, three, four, five
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six, seven, eight, nine, ten.
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六, 七, 八, 九 十.
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Guillaume Néry, France.
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Guillaume Néry, 法國人.
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Constant weight, 123 meters,
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constant weight(一種自由潛水項目)
深入水下123米,
深入水下123米,
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three minutes and 25 seconds.
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在3分25秒內.
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National record attempt.
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挑戰國家記錄.
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70 meters.
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水下70米.
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[123 meters]
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(水下123米)
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(Applause)
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(掌聲)
(視頻)裁判: 白牌.
Guillaume Néry! 你創造了全國紀錄!
Guillaume Néry! 你創造了全國紀錄!
02:24
(Video) Judge: White card.
Guillaume Néry! National record!
Guillaume Néry! National record!
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02:29
Guillaume Néry: Thank you.
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Guillaume Néry: 謝謝你們.
02:31
(Applause)
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(掌聲)
02:34
Thank you very much,
thanks for the warm welcome.
thanks for the warm welcome.
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非常感謝你們,
謝謝你們熱烈的歡迎.
謝謝你們熱烈的歡迎.
02:37
That dive you just watched is a journey --
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剛剛你看到的潛泳是一趟旅程--
02:40
a journey between two breaths.
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兩次呼吸之間的旅程.
02:43
A journey that takes place
between two breaths --
between two breaths --
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旅程中的這兩次呼吸--
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the last one before diving into the water,
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後一次是發生在潛入水中之前,
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and the first one,
coming back to the surface.
coming back to the surface.
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前一次是回到水面上.
02:51
That dive is a journey
to the very limits of human possibility,
to the very limits of human possibility,
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那次深潛是一次
邁向人類極限的旅程,
邁向人類極限的旅程,
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a journey into the unknown.
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一次探索未知的旅程.
02:58
But it's also, and above all,
an inner journey,
an inner journey,
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但是, 最重要的是,
它是一次內心的旅程,
它是一次內心的旅程,
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where a number of things happen,
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在那裡, 發生了很多事情,
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physiologically as well as mentally.
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無論是生理上還是心理上.
03:06
And that's why I'm here today,
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這就是我今天在這裡的原因,
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to share my journey with you
and to take you along with me.
and to take you along with me.
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與你分享我的旅程,
帶你一同經歷.
帶你一同經歷.
03:12
So, we start with the last breath.
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所以, 我們開始最後一次呼吸.
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(Breathing in)
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(吸氣)
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(Breathing out)
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(呼氣)
03:31
As you noticed, that last breath
in is slow, deep and intense.
in is slow, deep and intense.
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你也注意到了,
最後一次呼吸很慢, 很深, 很強烈.
最後一次呼吸很慢, 很深, 很強烈.
03:35
It ends with a special technique
called the carp,
called the carp,
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它以一種叫做"carp"的特殊技巧結束,
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which allows me to store one to two
extra liters of air in my lungs
extra liters of air in my lungs
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能讓我通過壓縮的方式
讓肺多存儲一或兩升的空氣.
讓肺多存儲一或兩升的空氣.
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by compressing it.
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能讓我通過壓縮的方式
讓肺多存儲一或兩升的空氣.
讓肺多存儲一或兩升的空氣.
03:43
When I leave the surface,
I have about 10 liters of air in my lungs.
I have about 10 liters of air in my lungs.
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當我離開水面,
我的肺部幾乎有十升的空氣.
我的肺部幾乎有十升的空氣.
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As soon as I leave the surface
the first mechanism kicks in:
the first mechanism kicks in:
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當我一離開水面,
身體的機制開始反應:
身體的機制開始反應:
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the diving reflex.
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潛水反射.
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The first thing the diving reflex does
is make your heart rate drop.
is make your heart rate drop.
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潛水反射所造成的第一個後果
就是心率下降.
就是心率下降.
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My heart beat will drop
from about 60-70 per minute
from about 60-70 per minute
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我的心跳將會從60-70下每分鐘
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to about 30-40 beats per minute
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降到30-40每分鐘
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in a matter of seconds;
almost immediately.
almost immediately.
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在短短幾秒之內;
幾乎是瞬間.
幾乎是瞬間.
04:07
Next, the diving reflex causes
peripheral vasoconstriction,
peripheral vasoconstriction,
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接下來, 潛水反射造成了周邊血管收縮.
04:10
which means that the blood flow
will leave the body's extremities
will leave the body's extremities
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這意味著血流將會離開四肢
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to feed the most important organs:
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向最重要的器官流去
來供應他們:
來供應他們:
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the lungs, the heart and the brain.
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肺, 心臟, 大腦,
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This mechanism is innate.
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這個身體機制是與生俱來的.
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I cannot control it.
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我無法控制.
04:27
If you go underwater,
even if you've never done it before,
even if you've never done it before,
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如果你去水下,
即使你之前從未做過這件事,
即使你之前從未做過這件事,
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you'll experience the exact same effects.
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你也會經歷同樣的過程.
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All human beings
share this characteristic.
share this characteristic.
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所有的人類都是這樣的.
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And what's extraordinary
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令人驚奇的是
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is that we share this instinct
with marine mammals --
with marine mammals --
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我們和海生哺乳動物有都有這種本能--
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all marine mammals:
dolphins, whales, sea lions, etc.
dolphins, whales, sea lions, etc.
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所有的海生哺乳動物:
海豚, 鯨魚, 海獅, 等等等等,
海豚, 鯨魚, 海獅, 等等等等,
04:45
When they dive deep into the ocean,
these mechanisms become activated,
these mechanisms become activated,
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當它們深潛入海中,
這種機制就會被激活,
這種機制就會被激活,
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but to a greater extent.
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而且會有更明顯的反應.
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And, of course, it works
much better for them.
much better for them.
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並且, 當然, 這種機制
在它們身上運作得更好.
在它們身上運作得更好.
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It's absolutely fascinating.
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這很吸引人.
04:57
Right as I leave the surface,
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當我潛水下去時,
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nature gives me a push
in the right direction,
in the right direction,
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本能便把我推向一個正確的方向,
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allowing me to descend with confidence.
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讓我能夠充滿信心的向下潛去.
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So as I dive deeper into the blue,
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這樣當我向這片深藍潛得更深,
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the pressure slowly starts
to squeeze my lungs.
to squeeze my lungs.
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水壓開始緩緩地擠壓我的肺部.
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And since it's the amount of air
in my lungs that makes me float,
in my lungs that makes me float,
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並且, 因為就是肺部的空氣
讓我在水中漂浮,
讓我在水中漂浮,
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the farther down I go,
the more pressure there is on my lungs,
the more pressure there is on my lungs,
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所以我走得 越遠,
我的肺部受到的壓力也越大,
我的肺部受到的壓力也越大,
05:16
the less air they contain
and the easier it is for my body to fall.
and the easier it is for my body to fall.
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存儲的空氣也越少,
身體也能越早自然下降.
身體也能越早自然下降.
05:20
And at one point,
around 35 or 40 meters down,
around 35 or 40 meters down,
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在某一個點, 大概水下35-40米的時候,
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I don't even need to swim.
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我甚至不需要游泳了.
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My body is dense and heavy enough
to fall into the depths by itself,
to fall into the depths by itself,
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我的身體密度很高並且很重,
它自己就能像深處下降,
它自己就能像深處下降,
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and I enter what's called
the free fall phase.
the free fall phase.
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我進入了所謂的
"自由下降時段".
"自由下降時段".
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The free fall phase
is the best part of the dive.
is the best part of the dive.
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自由下降時段是潛水中最棒的部分.
05:36
It's the reason I still dive.
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它是我現在仍然潛水的原因.
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Because it feels like
you're being pulled down
you're being pulled down
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因為, 它就好像你被推著往下
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and you don't need to do anything.
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並且你什麼都不用做.
05:45
I can go from 35 meters to 123 meters
without making a single movement.
without making a single movement.
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我能一動不動地從水下35米潛到123米.
05:49
I let myself be pulled by the depths,
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我讓自己被深處推著前進,
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and it feels like I'm flying underwater.
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那感覺就像我在水下飛行,
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It's truly an amazing feeling --
an extraordinary feeling of freedom.
an extraordinary feeling of freedom.
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真的是令人驚異的感覺--
一種無法言說的自由.
一種無法言說的自由.
05:56
And so I slowly continue
sliding to the bottom.
sliding to the bottom.
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我繼續滑向底部.
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40 meters down,
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下潛了40米,
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50 meters down,
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下潛了50米,
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and between 50 and 60 meters,
a second physiological response kicks in.
a second physiological response kicks in.
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而在50米和60米之間時,
第二個生理反應出現了.
第二個生理反應出現了.
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My lungs reach residual volume,
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我的肺到達了馀氣量,
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below which they're not supposed
to be compressed, in theory.
to be compressed, in theory.
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理論上, 這些氣體量是不能被壓縮的,
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And this second response
is called blood shift,
is called blood shift,
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第二個生理反應叫做blood shift.
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or "pulmonary erection" in French.
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或者法語中叫做pulmonary erection.
06:22
I prefer "blood shift."
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我更喜歡說blood shift.
06:23
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
06:24
So blood shift -- how does it work?
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所以blood shift--
它是如何作用的?
它是如何作用的?
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The capillaries in the lungs
become engorged with blood --
become engorged with blood --
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肺部的毛細管變得充血--
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which is caused by the suction --
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這是由吸力產生的--
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so the lungs can harden
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所以肺部會變硬
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and protect the whole chest cavity
from being crushed.
from being crushed.
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來保護胸腔不被水壓跨.
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It prevents the two walls
of the lungs from collapsing,
of the lungs from collapsing,
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它使肺部的兩道"牆"不被垮塌,
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from sticking together and caving in.
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不會粘在一起然後坍塌.
06:44
Thanks to this phenomenon,
which we also share with marine mammals,
which we also share with marine mammals,
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幸虧這種現象--
也是我們和海生哺乳動物相同的特性--
也是我們和海生哺乳動物相同的特性--
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I'm able to continue with my dive.
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我才能繼續我的潛泳.
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60, 70 meters down,
I keep falling, faster and faster,
I keep falling, faster and faster,
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下潛了六七十米,
我一直在下降, 越來越快,
我一直在下降, 越來越快,
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because the pressure is crushing
my body more and more.
my body more and more.
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因為水的壓力越來越狠地擠壓我的身體.
06:56
Below 80 meters,
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水下80米,
06:58
the pressure becomes a lot stronger,
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壓力變得很強,
07:00
and I start to feel it physically.
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我開始察覺到了它.
07:02
I really start to feel the suffocation.
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我開始真切地感到了窒息.
07:04
You can see what it looks like --
not pretty at all.
not pretty at all.
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你能看到那是什麼樣的--
一點也不好看.
一點也不好看.
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The diaphragm is completely collapsed,
the rib cage is squeezed in,
the rib cage is squeezed in,
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橫膈膜全部塌陷,
胸腔也被擠壓到裡面去了,
胸腔也被擠壓到裡面去了,
07:11
and mentally, there is something
going on as well.
going on as well.
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並且, 精神上, 也發生了一些不好的事情.
07:14
You may be thinking,
"This doesn't look enjoyable.
"This doesn't look enjoyable.
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你或許會想,
"這樣可不舒服,
"這樣可不舒服,
07:17
How do you do it?"
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你該怎麼做呢?"
07:18
If I relied on my earthly reflexes --
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如果我依賴我早期的反應--
07:20
what do we do above water
when there's a problem?
when there's a problem?
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當我們在水面上, 面對困難時,
我們會怎麼做?
我們會怎麼做?
07:23
We resist, we go against it.
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我們抵抗, 我們對它反著來.
07:25
We fight.
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我們與之鬥爭.
07:27
Underwater, that doesn't work.
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在水下, 這些都沒用.
07:28
If you try that underwater,
you might tear your lungs,
you might tear your lungs,
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如果你試過在水下這樣,
你可能會撕裂你的肺,
你可能會撕裂你的肺,
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spit up blood, develop an edema
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噴血, 患上水腫
07:33
and you'll have to stop diving
for a good amount of time.
for a good amount of time.
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最後你為了能活下去
不得不停止潛水.
不得不停止潛水.
07:36
So what you need to do, mentally,
is to tell yourself
is to tell yourself
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所以你需要做的只是在心理上,
告訴你自己
告訴你自己
07:39
that nature and the elements
are stronger than you.
are stronger than you.
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自然環境遠遠比你強大.
07:42
And so I let the water crush me.
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所以就讓水來碾壓我吧.
07:44
I accept the pressure and go with it.
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我接受了那股壓力
並且與它協調.
並且與它協調.
07:48
At this point, my body
receives this information,
receives this information,
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在這時, 我的身體接受了這個信息,
07:50
and my lungs start relaxing.
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我的肺部開始放鬆.
07:52
I relinquish all control,
and relax completely.
and relax completely.
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我放棄了所有的控制權,
完全地放鬆了.
完全地放鬆了.
07:55
The pressure starts crushing me,
and it doesn't feel bad at all.
and it doesn't feel bad at all.
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水的壓力開始碾壓我,
它絲毫不受影響.
它絲毫不受影響.
07:59
I even feel like
I'm in a cocoon, protected.
I'm in a cocoon, protected.
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我甚至感覺
我在一個繭中, 被保護著.
我在一個繭中, 被保護著.
08:03
And the dive continues.
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繼續下潛.
08:05
80, 85 meters down,
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下潛80, 85米,
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90,
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90米,
08:08
100.
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100米,
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100 meters -- the magic number.
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100--一個神奇的數字.
08:13
In every sport, it's a magic number.
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在每項體育運動中, 它是一個神奇的數字.
08:14
For swimmers and athletes
and also for us, free divers,
and also for us, free divers,
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對於游泳者, 運動員
以及我們這些自由潛泳者來說,
以及我們這些自由潛泳者來說,
08:17
it's a number everyone dreams of.
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這是一個每個人都夢想著突破的數字.
08:19
Everyone wishes one day
to be able to get to 100 meters.
to be able to get to 100 meters.
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每個人都夢想著有一天能夠到達100米.
08:22
And it's a symbolic number for us,
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它對我們來說是一個象徵性的數字,
08:24
because in the 1970s,
doctors and physiologists did their math,
doctors and physiologists did their math,
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因為在1970年代,
醫生和生理學家通過計算,
醫生和生理學家通過計算,
08:28
and predicted that the human body
would not be able to go below 100 meters.
would not be able to go below 100 meters.
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預言人類身體不能
潛入水下100米.
潛入水下100米.
08:33
Below that, they said,
the human body would implode.
the human body would implode.
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一旦如此, 他們說,
人類身體便會內爆.
人類身體便會內爆.
08:36
And then the Frenchman, Jacques Mayol --
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然後法國人, Jacques Mayol--
08:38
you all know him as the hero
in "The Big Blue" --
in "The Big Blue" --
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你們都知道在電影The Big Blue中
作為英雄的他--
作為英雄的他--
08:41
came along and dived down to 100 meters.
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他出現了, 並且在水中向下潛了100米.
08:44
He even reached 105 meters.
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他甚至達到了105米.
08:46
At that time, he was doing "no limits."
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在那個時候,
他做的是"no limits(一種自由潛水項目)"
他做的是"no limits(一種自由潛水項目)"
08:48
He'd use weights to descend faster
and come back up with a balloon,
and come back up with a balloon,
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他會用重量來更快地下潛
並且帶一隻氣球回到水面.
並且帶一隻氣球回到水面.
08:51
just like in the movie.
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就像在電影中的一樣.
08:52
Today, we go down 200 meters
in no limit free diving.
in no limit free diving.
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今天, 我們在no limits潛水中
下潛到200米.
下潛到200米.
08:55
I can do 123 meters
by simply using muscle strength.
by simply using muscle strength.
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我能僅僅通過肌肉強度
來抵抗水壓下潛到123米.
來抵抗水壓下潛到123米.
08:58
And in a way, it's all thanks to him,
because he challenged known facts,
because he challenged known facts,
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這樣來說, 全部都要感謝他,
因為他質疑了眾所周知的"事實",
因為他質疑了眾所周知的"事實",
09:01
and with a sweep of his hand,
got rid of the theoretical beliefs
got rid of the theoretical beliefs
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並且靠他自己的努力,
消除了一些理論上的"信條"
消除了一些理論上的"信條"
09:06
and all the mental limits
that we like to impose on ourselves.
that we like to impose on ourselves.
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以及所有的心理上的自我限制.
09:09
He showed us that the human body
has an infinite ability to adapt.
has an infinite ability to adapt.
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他向我們展示了人類身體對
於適應環境有著無窮的能力.
於適應環境有著無窮的能力.
09:13
So I carry on with my dive.
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我繼續我的下潛.
09:15
105, 110, 115.
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105, 110, 115米.
09:17
The bottom is getting closer.
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底部越來越近了.
09:18
120,
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120米,
09:20
123 meters.
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123米.
09:21
I'm at the bottom.
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我到底部了.
09:22
And now, I'd like to ask you to join me
and put yourself in my place.
and put yourself in my place.
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現在, 我邀請你, 和我一起,
並且想像你正在我的位置上.
並且想像你正在我的位置上.
09:26
Close your eyes.
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閉上眼睛.
09:28
Imagine you get to 123 meters.
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想像你到了水下123米.
09:33
The surface is far, far away.
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水面離你很遠, 很遠.
09:36
You're alone.
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你是孤獨的.
09:39
There's hardly any light.
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這裡幾乎沒有任何光亮.
09:42
It's cold --
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這裡很冷--
09:43
freezing cold.
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刺骨的冷.
09:44
The pressure is crushing you completely --
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水壓快把你壓碎了--
09:47
13 times stronger than on the surface.
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比在水邊上的壓力強13倍.
09:50
And I know what you're thinking:
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我知道你在想什麼:
09:52
"This is horrible.
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"這太可怕了.
09:54
What the hell am I doing here?
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我在到底這裡做什麼"
09:56
He's insane."
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他肯定是瘋了."
09:58
But no.
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但是: 不.
10:00
That's not what I think
when I'm down there.
when I'm down there.
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這不是我在水下那麼深的時候想的東西.
10:02
When I'm at the bottom, I feel good.
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當我在底部的時候, 我感覺很好.
10:04
I get this extraordinary
feeling of well-being.
feeling of well-being.
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我感受到了一種
言語無法表達的康樂的感覺.
言語無法表達的康樂的感覺.
10:06
Maybe it's because I've completely
released all tensions
released all tensions
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或許是因為我完全放鬆了所有的緊張, 壓力
10:09
and let myself go.
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放開自己.
10:11
I feel great, without the need to breathe.
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我感覺好極了, 不需要呼吸.
10:17
Although, you'd agree,
I should be worried.
I should be worried.
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肅然, 你會認為, 我應該感到擔憂.
10:21
I feel like a tiny dot,
a little drop of water,
a little drop of water,
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我像一個小點,
一滴水珠,
一滴水珠,
10:24
floating in the middle of the ocean.
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在海洋中漂浮.
10:26
And each time, I picture the same image.
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每一次, 我想到同一幅圖.
10:29
[The Pale Blue Dot]
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(圖片:暗淡的藍點)
10:32
It's that small dot
the arrow is pointing to.
the arrow is pointing to.
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就是那個箭頭指向的小點.
10:34
Do you know what it is?
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你知道那是什麼嗎?
10:37
It's planet Earth.
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它是地球.
10:39
Planet Earth, photographed
by the Voyager probe,
by the Voyager probe,
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地球, 被旅行者號探測器拍攝的照片.
10:42
from 4 billion kilometers away.
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從四十億千米外拍攝.
10:44
And it shows that our home
is that small dot over there,
is that small dot over there,
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這展現了我們的家園就是那個小點,
10:48
floating in the middle of nothing.
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在虛無中漂浮.
10:50
That's how I feel
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這就是我的感受.
10:52
when I'm at the bottom, at 123 meters.
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當我在水底, 水下123米,
10:54
I feel like a small dot,
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我像一個小點,
10:55
a speck of dust, stardust,
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一粒塵埃, 星塵
10:58
floating in the middle of the cosmos,
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在宇宙中漂浮,
11:00
in the middle of nothing,
in the immensity of space.
in the immensity of space.
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在虛無中漂浮.
在廣袤的空間中漂浮.
在廣袤的空間中漂浮.
11:03
It's a fascinating sensation,
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這是一種迷人的感覺,
11:04
because when I look up, down,
left, right, in front, behind,
left, right, in front, behind,
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因為當我向上看, 向下看,
向左, 向右, 向前, 向後,
向左, 向右, 向前, 向後,
11:08
I see the same thing:
the infinite deep blue.
the infinite deep blue.
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我看到的是同一事物:
無限的深藍.
無限的深藍.
11:12
Nowhere else on Earth
you can experience this --
you can experience this --
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地球沒有哪個地方
能讓你體驗這個了--
能讓你體驗這個了--
11:15
looking all around you,
and seeing the same thing.
and seeing the same thing.
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向你周圍看,
看到的是同一事物.
看到的是同一事物.
11:18
It's extraordinary.
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這是令人驚異的.
11:20
And at that moment,
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在那個時刻,
11:22
I still get that feeling each time,
building up inside of me --
building up inside of me --
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我仍然每次都有相同的感覺,
它在我的內心已根深蒂固--
它在我的內心已根深蒂固--
11:25
the feeling of humility.
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謙卑的感覺.
11:28
Looking at this picture,
I feel very humble --
I feel very humble --
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看看這張圖片
我感覺非常卑微--
我感覺非常卑微--
11:31
just like when I'm all the way
down at the bottom --
down at the bottom --
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就像我一路向下
到達底部時--
到達底部時--
11:34
because I'm nothing,
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因為我很微小,
11:35
I'm a little speck of nothingness
lost in all of time and space.
lost in all of time and space.
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我微若無物,
在時間和空間裡迷失.
在時間和空間裡迷失.
11:39
And it still is absolutely fascinating.
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但這也是非常迷人的.
11:42
I decide to go back to the surface,
because this is not where I belong.
because this is not where I belong.
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我決定回到水面,
因為這裡不是我屬於的地方.
因為這裡不是我屬於的地方.
11:46
I belong up there, on the surface.
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我屬於哪裡, 水面上.
11:48
So I start heading back up.
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所以我開始返回.
11:52
I get something of a shock
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我總是被震驚到
11:56
at the very moment when I decide to go up.
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在每一個我決定回去的瞬間.
11:58
First, because it takes a huge effort
to tear yourself away from the bottom.
to tear yourself away from the bottom.
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最初, 因為把你自己扯離水底是需要巨大努力的.
12:02
It pulled you down on the way in,
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它在你下潛的過程中往下推你,
12:05
and will do the same on the way up.
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在你上升過程中也會這樣.
12:07
You have to swim twice as hard.
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你游泳時必須付出兩倍的努力.
12:10
Then, I'm hit with another
phenomenon known as narcosis.
phenomenon known as narcosis.
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接下來, 我又經歷了另一個現象,
就是昏迷狀態.
就是昏迷狀態.
12:13
I don't know if you've heard of that.
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我不知道你們是否聽說過這個.
12:15
It's called nitrogen narcosis.
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它被叫做氮麻醉.
12:17
It's something that happens
to scuba divers,
to scuba divers,
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這是發生在水肺潛水員身上的事.
12:19
but it can happen to free divers.
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但是也能發生在自由潛泳者身上.
12:21
It's caused by nitrogen
dissolving in the blood,
dissolving in the blood,
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它是由血液中溶解的氮氣引起的,
12:24
which causes confusion
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它能造成在有意識
和無意識的混淆.
和無意識的混淆.
12:26
between the conscious
and unconscious mind.
and unconscious mind.
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它能造成在有意識
和無意識之間的混淆.
和無意識之間的混淆.
12:30
A flurry of thoughts goes spinning
through your head.
through your head.
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一道道思緒劃過心中.
12:34
You can't control them,
and you shouldn't try to --
and you shouldn't try to --
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你無法控制它,
你也不該去控制它--
你也不該去控制它--
12:37
you have to let it happen.
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你應該隨其自然.
12:39
The more you try to control it,
the harder it is to manage.
the harder it is to manage.
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你越想控制它,
解決問題就越難.
解決問題就越難.
12:43
Then, a third thing happens:
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接下來, 發生了第三件事:
12:44
the desire to breathe.
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呼吸的慾望.
12:46
I'm not a fish, I'm a human being,
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我不是一條魚, 我是人類,
12:48
and the desire to breathe
reminds me of that fact.
reminds me of that fact.
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想呼吸的慾望
也提醒了我這一點.
也提醒了我這一點.
12:51
Around 60, 70 meters,
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差不多60, 70米,
12:55
you start to feel the need to breathe.
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你開始感覺到你需要呼吸.
12:59
And with everything else that's going on,
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再加上其他的正在發生的一些事情,
13:02
you can very easily lose your ground
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你很容易失了分寸,
13:05
and start to panic.
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開始恐慌.
13:07
When that happens, you think,
"Where's the surface?
"Where's the surface?
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那一切發生的時候, 你會想,
"地面在哪兒?
"地面在哪兒?
13:10
I want to go up. I want to breathe now."
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我想上去, 我現在非常想呼吸."
13:12
You should not do that.
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你不應該這樣做.
13:13
Never look up to the surface --
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絕對不要往上看--
13:15
not with your eyes, or your mind.
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眼睛不要, 心裡也不要.
13:19
You should never
picture yourself up there.
picture yourself up there.
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你絕不應該想像你在水面上.
13:21
You have to stay in the present.
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你應該安於現狀.
13:23
I look at the rope right in front of me,
leading me back to the surface.
leading me back to the surface.
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我看著眼前的這根繩子,
它指引著我回到水面.
它指引著我回到水面.
13:28
And I focus on that,
on the present moment.
on the present moment.
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我把精神集中在它上面,
就現在.
就現在.
13:31
Because if I think
about the surface, I panic.
about the surface, I panic.
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因為如果我想著水面,
我會慌張.
我會慌張.
13:34
And if I panic, it's over.
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如果我慌張了,
一切都完了.
一切都完了.
13:36
Time goes faster this way.
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現在這樣做
會讓時間會過得更快.
會讓時間會過得更快.
13:39
And at 30 meters: deliverance.
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就在水下30米時: 有人會來幫助我.
13:41
I'm not alone any more.
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我不再孤獨.
13:42
The safety divers,
my guardian angels, join me.
my guardian angels, join me.
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安全潛水員,
我的保護天使, 和我一起了.
我的保護天使, 和我一起了.
13:46
They leave the surface,
we meet at 30 meters,
we meet at 30 meters,
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他們離開水面,
我們在水下30米碰頭,
我們在水下30米碰頭,
13:48
and they escort me
for the final few meters,
for the final few meters,
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他們在最後幾米的旅程護送我,
13:50
where potential problems could arise.
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那也是一些隱藏的問題可能發生的時刻.
13:53
Every time I see them, I think to myself,
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每次我看見他們, 我對自己說:
13:57
"It's thanks to you."
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"感謝你們."
13:58
It's thanks to them,
my team, that I'm here.
my team, that I'm here.
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感謝他們,
我的團隊, 只有他們我才能在這裡.
我的團隊, 只有他們我才能在這裡.
14:00
It brings back the sense of humility.
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這又勾起了那股謙卑之感.
14:03
Without my team, without all
the people around me,
the people around me,
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沒有了我的團隊,
沒有了我身邊的人,
沒有了我身邊的人,
14:07
the adventure into the deep
would be impossible.
would be impossible.
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這通往水下深處的旅程
將會是子虛烏有.
將會是子虛烏有.
14:09
A journey into the deep
is above all a group effort.
is above all a group effort.
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這通往深處的旅程
是在建立在眾人的努力之上的.
是在建立在眾人的努力之上的.
14:13
So I'm happy to finish
my journey with them,
my journey with them,
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所以我很高興
能同他們一起結束這趟旅程,
能同他們一起結束這趟旅程,
14:15
because I wouldn't be here
if it weren't for them.
if it weren't for them.
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因為如果沒有他們,
我將不會在這裡.
我將不會在這裡.
14:18
20 meters, 10 meters,
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20米, 10米,
14:19
my lungs slowly return
to their normal volume.
to their normal volume.
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我的肺部逐漸恢復了正常的容積.
14:22
Buoyancy pushes me up to the surface.
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浮力把我推向水面.
14:24
Five meters below the surface,
I start to breathe out,
I start to breathe out,
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水下五米時,
我開始呼氣,
我開始呼氣,
14:27
so that as soon as I get
to the surface all I do is breathe in.
to the surface all I do is breathe in.
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一回到水面
我就竭盡所能吸氣.
我就竭盡所能吸氣.
14:31
And so I arrive at the surface.
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所以我回到了水面.
14:33
(Breathing in)
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(吸氣)
14:39
Air floods into my lungs.
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空氣湧入我的肺.
14:41
It's like being born again, a relief.
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那感覺就像重生了一般,
解脫了.
解脫了.
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It feels good.
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感覺妙極了.
14:46
Though the journey was extraordinary,
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雖然旅程那麼非凡,
14:47
I do need to feel those small
oxygen molecules fueling my body.
oxygen molecules fueling my body.
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我還是需要這些小小的
氧氣分子使我的身體煥發活力.
氧氣分子使我的身體煥發活力.
14:52
It's an extraordinary sensation,
but at the same time it's traumatizing.
but at the same time it's traumatizing.
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這是一種奇特的感覺,
同時也很痛苦.
同時也很痛苦.
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It's a shock to the system,
as you can you imagine.
as you can you imagine.
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那對身體是一個衝擊,
你也能想像.
你也能想像.
14:58
I go from complete darkness
to the light of day,
to the light of day,
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我從完全的黑暗
看到白天的陽光,
看到白天的陽光,
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from the near-silence of the depths
to the commotion up top.
to the commotion up top.
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從近乎無聲的深處
到喧囂的水面.
到喧囂的水面.
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In terms of touch, I go from the soft,
velvety feeling of the water,
velvety feeling of the water,
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在觸覺上, 我從圓潤輕柔的水,
15:10
to air rubbing across my face.
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到摩擦著我的臉頰的空氣.
15:13
In terms of smell,
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從味覺上,
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there is air rushing into my lungs.
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有空氣衝過我的肺.
15:18
And in return, my lungs open up.
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於此同時, 我的肺打開了.
15:21
They were completely squashed
just 90 seconds ago,
just 90 seconds ago,
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它們在90秒前是完全壓扁的,
15:23
and now, they've opened up again.
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現在, 它們又打開了.
15:25
So all of this affects
quite a lot of things.
quite a lot of things.
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所有的這些
相當瑣碎複雜.
相當瑣碎複雜.
15:29
I need a few seconds to come back,
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我需要幾秒鐘來恢復,
15:31
and to feel "all there" again.
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找到"一切良好"的感覺.
15:33
But that needs to happen quickly,
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但我需要快點,
15:35
because the judges are there
to verify my performance;
to verify my performance;
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因為裁判在那裡,
觀察我的表現:
觀察我的表現:
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I need to show them
I'm in perfect physical condition.
I'm in perfect physical condition.
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我需要向他們展示
我狀態很好.
我狀態很好.
15:40
You saw in the video,
I was doing a so-called exit protocol.
I was doing a so-called exit protocol.
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你在視頻裡也看到了,
我正在做所謂的"exit protocol".
我正在做所謂的"exit protocol".
15:43
Once at the surface, I have 15 seconds
to take off my nose clip,
to take off my nose clip,
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一旦到達水面,
我只有15秒鐘來摘下鼻夾,
我只有15秒鐘來摘下鼻夾,
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give this signal and say
(English) "I am OK."
(English) "I am OK."
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做出這個手勢並且說:
"I am OK(我很好)."
"I am OK(我很好)."
15:51
Plus, you need to be bilingual.
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另外, 我需要說兩種語言.
15:53
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
15:54
On top of everything --
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最重要的--
15:56
that's not very nice.
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那感覺並不好.
15:58
Once the protocol is completed,
the judges show me a white card,
the judges show me a white card,
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一旦協議達成,
裁判向我展示一張白牌,
裁判向我展示一張白牌,
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and that's when the joy starts.
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樂趣就開始了.
16:04
I can finally celebrate
what has just happened.
what has just happened.
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我終於能慶祝一下
剛剛發生的事了.
剛剛發生的事了.
16:07
So, the journey I've just described to you
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所以, 我剛剛向你描述的旅程
16:10
is a more extreme version of free diving.
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比自由潛泳更加極端.
16:13
Luckily, it's far from just that.
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幸運的是, 它海遠不止我所描述的那樣.
16:16
For the past few years,
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過去幾年,
16:17
I've been trying to show
another side of free diving,
another side of free diving,
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我一直在嘗試
去展示自由潛泳的另一面.
去展示自由潛泳的另一面.
16:20
because the media mainly talks
about competitions and records.
about competitions and records.
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因為媒體總是只談論關於它的比賽, 記錄等等.
16:23
But free diving is more than just that.
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但是自由潛泳遠不止如此.
16:25
It's about being at ease in the water.
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它是在水中的無比舒適與完全放鬆.
16:27
It's extremely beautiful,
very poetic and artistic.
very poetic and artistic.
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它非常美麗, 詩意, 具有藝術性.
16:30
So my wife and I decided to film it
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所以我和我的妻子決定拍攝它
16:32
and try to show another side of it,
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嘗試去展示它的另一面,
16:35
mostly to make people want
to go into the water.
to go into the water.
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主要是讓更多的人想一睹水下風采.
16:38
Let me show you some images
to finish my story.
to finish my story.
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讓我展示幾張圖片來結束我的故事.
16:43
It's a mix of beautiful underwater photos.
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一系列水下風貌的照片.
16:46
(Music)
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(音樂)
16:47
I'd like you to know that if one day
you try to stop breathing,
you try to stop breathing,
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我希望有一天當你嘗試停止呼吸時,
能了解那種感覺,
能了解那種感覺,
16:52
you'll realize that
when you stop breathing,
when you stop breathing,
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你會意識到當你停止呼吸時
16:54
you stop thinking, too.
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你也會停止思考.
16:57
It calms your mind.
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它使你冷靜.
16:59
Today, in the 21st century,
we're under so much pressure.
we're under so much pressure.
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今天, 在這21世紀,
我們承受了太多壓力.
我們承受了太多壓力.
17:03
Our minds are overworked,
we think at a million miles an hour,
we think at a million miles an hour,
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我們的思想都"負載"了,
我們時時刻刻都有著萬千思緒,
我們時時刻刻都有著萬千思緒,
17:06
we're always stressed.
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我們總是有壓迫感.
17:08
Being able to free dive
lets you, just for a moment,
lets you, just for a moment,
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自由潛泳會讓你,
就那麼一小會兒,
就那麼一小會兒,
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relax your mind.
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得到心靈的放鬆.
17:13
Holding your breath underwater
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在水下屏住呼吸
17:15
means giving yourself the chance
to experience weightlessness.
to experience weightlessness.
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意味著給你一個機會
來體驗身輕如燕的感覺.
來體驗身輕如燕的感覺.
17:19
It means being underwater, floating,
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它意味著在水下, 漂浮著,
17:22
with your body completely relaxed,
letting go of all your tensions.
letting go of all your tensions.
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你的身體完全地放輕鬆,
忘卻所有的束縛.
忘卻所有的束縛.
17:26
This is our plight in the 21st century:
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這是我們在21世紀的窘境:
17:28
our backs hurt, our necks hurt,
everything hurts,
everything hurts,
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我們腰酸, 背痛,
腿抽筋, 十分不適,
腿抽筋, 十分不適,
17:30
because we're stressed
and tense all the time.
and tense all the time.
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因為我們有壓力,
而且時刻保持警惕.
而且時刻保持警惕.
17:32
But when you're in the water,
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但當你在水中時,
17:34
you let yourself float,
as if you were in space.
as if you were in space.
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你讓自己漂浮,
就像你在太空中一樣.
就像你在太空中一樣.
17:37
You let yourself go completely.
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你完全放開了自己.
17:38
It's an extraordinary feeling.
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這是一種令人驚奇的感覺.
17:40
You can finally get in touch
with your body, mind and spirit.
with your body, mind and spirit.
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你終於能觸摸到你的身體, 思想, 和心靈.
17:46
Everything feels better, all at once.
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那一剎, 感覺如臨仙境.
17:49
Learning how to free dive is also
about learning to breathe correctly.
about learning to breathe correctly.
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學習如何自由潛泳也關乎學習如何正確地呼吸.
17:54
We breathe with our first breath
at birth, up until our last one.
at birth, up until our last one.
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我們從出生時的第一口開始呼吸,
直到斷氣.
直到斷氣.
17:59
Breathing gives rhythm to our lives.
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呼吸給了我們生命的節奏.
18:02
Learning how to breathe better
is learning how to live better.
is learning how to live better.
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學會如何更好地呼吸也就是
學會如何更好地生活.
學會如何更好地生活.
18:06
Holding your breath in the sea,
not necessarily at 100 meters,
not necessarily at 100 meters,
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在海中屏住呼吸,
不需要到海下100米,
不需要到海下100米,
18:09
but maybe at two or three,
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也許兩三米就夠了,
18:11
putting on your goggles,
a pair of flippers,
a pair of flippers,
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帶上護目鏡,
一雙人造蹼,
一雙人造蹼,
18:13
means you can go see another world,
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意味著你能去看看另外一個世界,
18:15
another universe, completely magical.
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另外一個宇宙, 如魔法般神奇.
18:17
You can see little fish, seaweed,
the flora and fauna,
the flora and fauna,
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你能看到小魚, 海草,
植物群和動物群,
植物群和動物群,
18:20
you can watch it all discreetly,
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你能默默地看著它們,
18:22
sliding underwater, looking around,
and coming back to the surface,
and coming back to the surface,
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在水下游動, 向四周看,
再來到水面,
再來到水面,
18:26
leaving no trace.
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不留痕跡.
18:28
It's an amazing feeling
to become one with nature like that.
to become one with nature like that.
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像這樣, 成為自然的一部分,
是一種令人驚異的感覺.
是一種令人驚異的感覺.
18:33
And if I may say one more thing,
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如果我可以多說一句,
那就是,
那就是,
18:36
holding your breath, being in the water,
finding this underwater world --
finding this underwater world --
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屏住呼吸, 在水下,
探索這水下的世界--
探索這水下的世界--
18:41
it's all about connecting with yourself.
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這一切都是接近自我.
18:43
You heard me talk a lot
about the body's memory
about the body's memory
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你聽過我大談特談
身體的記憶--
身體的記憶--
18:48
that dates back millions of years,
to our marine origins.
to our marine origins.
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那是幾百萬年前,
海洋母親懷裡的我們.
海洋母親懷裡的我們.
18:51
The day you get back into the water,
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你跳入水中的那一刻,
18:54
when you hold your breath
for a few seconds,
for a few seconds,
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當你屏住呼吸, 就幾秒--
18:56
you will reconnect with those origins.
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你會接近
我們的起源.
我們的起源.
19:00
And I guarantee
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我保證
19:01
it's absolute magic.
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那絕對如魔法般神奇.
19:03
I encourage you to try it out.
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我鼓勵你去嘗試一下.
19:04
Thank you.
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謝謝你們.
19:05
(Applause)
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(掌聲)
ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Guillaume Néry - World champion freediverWith just one breath, Guillaume Néry can dive to -125m below the water's surface.
Why you should listen
Guillaume Néry is a French freediving champion, specializing in deep diving. As a multiple world record holder and the double reigning world champion, Guillaume's goals go well beyond the simple realm of sport. With a perfect combination of aesthetics, performance, films and exploration, Guillaume practices his discipline like an art form — it has become his way of life.
Guillaume grew up by the Mediterranean Sea, in Nice. As a child, he used to go diving every summer with his flippers and mask, accompanied by his father, to discover the wonders of the underwater world. At the age of 14, he and a friend took up a challenge: to hold their breath for as long as possible. The simple game became an obsession and led him one day to meet Claude Chapuis, the founder of the international AIDA federation (Worldwide Federation for breath-hold diving). Claude became Guillaume’s mentor.
True to the Nice school of diving, Guillaume devoted all his time and energy to his passion. He made huge progress when working alongside Loic Leferme (5x No-Limits world record holder), who later became a role model, guide and close friend.
In 2002, he became the youngest ever freedive record holder, by diving to a depth of -87m using the force of his fins alone. That marked the beginning of a great adventure. Guillaume then beat the world record 3 times, became the world team champion in 2008 and the individual world champion in Greece in 2011, diving down to -117m. Nowadays, he dives until -125m of depth, the new French record
Guillaume also teaches deep diving at his school, CIPA (in Nice), conducts training, is involved in business life and sets sail across the world's oceans searching for new areas to explore.
However, it was thanks to the film he produced in 2010 with his partner Julie Gautier, Free Fall, that the Frenchman's career truly took off. One scene shows Guillaume walking on a seabed, towards an underwater chasm: the Deans Blue Hole (Bahamas), the deepest blue hole in the world. Suddenly, he jumps into emptiness and starts his free fall into the chasm. In just a few days, these images had been seen all around the world, revealing a new, artistic and poetic approach to freediving.
Since then, the couple has carried out a number of other film projects, including Narcoses or, recently, Ocean Gravity. They also launched their own website dedicated to all their creations: www.lesfilmsengloutis.com
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