ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Bobby Ghosh - Editor
Bobby Ghosh is the Managing Editor at Quartz.

Why you should listen

Bobby Ghosh was the longest serving print journalist in Iraq until he left in 2007 to become Time's World Editor. Formerly an editor-at-large for Time, his work encompasses his broad interests, from restaurant reviews to an extended interview with Egyptian president Mohammad Morsi for his latest cover story. He recently went on patrol in Yemen to view what many hope is the end of the transnational al-Qaeda movement. Ghosh is now the Managing Editor of Quartz.

To explore more of the ideas in Ghosh's talk, read his recent essay for Time Worldwide: "11 Years After 9/11, the Holy World War Is Over and All Jihad is Local" >>

 
More profile about the speaker
Bobby Ghosh | Speaker | TED.com
TEDxGeorgetown

Bobby Ghosh: Why global jihad is losing

Filmed:
725,096 views

Throughout the history of Islam, says journalist Bobby Ghosh, there have been two sides to jihad: one, internal, a personal struggle to be better, the other external. A small minority has appropriated the second meaning, using it as an excuse for deadly global violence against "the West." Ghosh suggests it's time to reclaim the word.
- Editor
Bobby Ghosh is the Managing Editor at Quartz. Full bio

Double-click the English transcript below to play the video.

00:16
I'm going to talk about the power of a word:
0
891
3214
00:20
jihad.
1
4105
3056
00:23
To the vast majority of practicing Muslims,
2
7161
4356
00:27
jihad is an internal struggle for the faith.
3
11517
4024
00:31
It is a struggle within, a struggle against vice, sin,
4
15541
4686
00:36
temptation, lust, greed.
5
20227
2290
00:38
It is a struggle to try and live a life
6
22517
3629
00:42
that is set by the moral codes written in the Koran.
7
26146
6698
00:48
In that original idea, the concept of jihad is as important
8
32844
5470
00:54
to Muslims as the idea of grace is to Christians.
9
38314
5858
01:00
It's a very powerful word, jihad, if you look at it in that respect,
10
44172
3746
01:03
and there's a certain almost mystical resonance to it.
11
47918
4982
01:08
And that's the reason why, for hundreds of years,
12
52900
2386
01:11
Muslims everywhere have named their children Jihad,
13
55286
2819
01:14
their daughters as much as their sons, in the same way
14
58105
2522
01:16
that, say, Christians name their daughters Grace,
15
60627
3822
01:20
and Hindus, my people, name our daughters Bhakti,
16
64449
3968
01:24
which means, in Sanskrit, spiritual worship.
17
68417
5472
01:29
But there have always been, in Islam, a small group,
18
73889
2765
01:32
a minority, who believe that jihad
19
76654
2469
01:35
is not only an internal struggle but also an external struggle
20
79123
2974
01:37
against forces that would threaten the faith, or the faithul.
21
82097
6376
01:44
And some of these people believe that in that struggle,
22
88473
3121
01:47
it is sometimes okay to take up arms.
23
91594
3599
01:51
And so the thousands of young Muslim men
24
95193
2707
01:53
who flocked to Afghanistan in the 1980s
25
97900
2917
01:56
to fight against the Soviet occupation of a Muslim country,
26
100817
3728
02:00
in their minds they were fighting a jihad,
27
104545
2728
02:03
they were doing jihad,
28
107273
2416
02:05
and they named themselves the Mujahideen,
29
109689
2792
02:08
which is a word that comes from the same root as jihad.
30
112481
4784
02:13
And we forget this now, but back then
31
117265
2840
02:16
the Mujahideen were celebrated in this country, in America.
32
120105
3958
02:19
We thought of them as holy warriors who were taking
33
124063
2498
02:22
the good fight to the ungodly communists.
34
126561
3756
02:26
America gave them weapons, gave them money,
35
130317
2045
02:28
gave them support, encouragement.
36
132362
2999
02:31
But within that group, a tiny, smaller group,
37
135361
2326
02:33
a minority within a minority within a minority,
38
137687
3882
02:37
were coming up with a new and dangerous
39
141569
2985
02:40
conception of jihad,
40
144554
2819
02:43
and in time this group would come to be led by Osama bin Laden,
41
147373
5309
02:48
and he refined the idea.
42
152682
1500
02:50
His idea of jihad was a global war of terror,
43
154182
4638
02:54
primarily targeted at the far enemy,
44
158820
2510
02:57
at the crusaders from the West, against America.
45
161330
4399
03:01
And the things he did in the pursuit of this jihad
46
165729
2839
03:04
were so horrendous, so monstrous,
47
168568
2680
03:07
and had such great impact,
48
171248
1975
03:09
that his definition was the one that stuck,
49
173223
4204
03:13
not just here in the West.
50
177427
1279
03:14
We didn't know any better. We didn't pause to ask.
51
178706
3859
03:18
We just assumed that if this insane man and his psychopathic followers
52
182565
4570
03:23
were calling what they did jihad, then that's what jihad must mean.
53
187135
5210
03:28
But it wasn't just us. Even in the Muslim world,
54
192345
3257
03:31
his definition of jihad began to gain acceptance.
55
195602
4671
03:36
A year ago I was in Tunis, and I met the imam
56
200273
3352
03:39
of a very small mosque, an old man.
57
203625
1940
03:41
Fifteen years ago, he named his granddaughter Jihad,
58
205565
3965
03:45
after the old meaning. He hoped that a name like that
59
209530
2967
03:48
would inspire her to live a spiritual life.
60
212497
4432
03:52
But he told me that after 9/11,
61
216929
2680
03:55
he began to have second thoughts.
62
219609
2680
03:58
He worried that if he called her by that name,
63
222289
1946
04:00
especially outdoors, outside in public,
64
224235
2525
04:02
he might be seen as endorsing bin Laden's idea of jihad.
65
226760
5918
04:08
On Fridays in his mosque, he gave sermons
66
232678
2463
04:11
trying to reclaim the meaning of the word,
67
235141
4417
04:15
but his congregants, the people who came to his mosque,
68
239558
3739
04:19
they had seen the videos. They had seen pictures
69
243297
2228
04:21
of the planes going into the towers, the towers coming down.
70
245525
5742
04:27
They had heard bin Laden say that that was jihad,
71
251267
3026
04:30
and claimed victory for it. And so the old imam worried
72
254293
2961
04:33
that his words were falling on deaf ears. No one was paying attention.
73
257254
4296
04:37
He was wrong. Some people were paying attention,
74
261550
3272
04:40
but for the wrong reasons.
75
264822
1906
04:42
The United States, at this point, was putting pressure
76
266728
2774
04:45
on all its Arab allies, including Tunisia,
77
269502
2439
04:47
to stamp out extremism in their societies,
78
271941
4337
04:52
and this imam found himself suddenly in the crosshairs
79
276278
3467
04:55
of the Tunisian intelligence service.
80
279745
2871
04:58
They had never paid him any attention before --
81
282616
1456
04:59
old man, small mosque --
82
284072
3225
05:03
but now they began to pay visits,
83
287297
2210
05:05
and sometimes they would drag him in for questions,
84
289507
1662
05:07
and always the same question:
85
291169
1348
05:08
"Why did you name your granddaughter Jihad?
86
292517
4211
05:12
Why do you keep using the word jihad in your Friday sermons?
87
296728
4599
05:17
Do you hate Americans?
88
301327
2065
05:19
What is your connection to Osama bin Laden?"
89
303392
4120
05:23
So to the Tunisian intelligence agency,
90
307512
2015
05:25
and organizations like it all over the Arab world,
91
309527
2833
05:28
jihad equaled extremism,
92
312360
4464
05:32
Bin Laden's definition had become institutionalized.
93
316824
3934
05:36
That was the power of that word that he was able to do.
94
320758
3789
05:40
And it filled this old imam, it filled him with great sadness.
95
324547
5722
05:46
He told me that, of bin Laden's many crimes, this was,
96
330269
2915
05:49
in his mind, one that didn't get enough attention,
97
333184
3072
05:52
that he took this word, this beautiful idea.
98
336256
3798
05:55
He didn't so much appropriate it as kidnapped it
99
340054
4466
06:00
and debased it and corrupted it
100
344520
2880
06:03
and turned it into something it was never meant to be,
101
347400
3360
06:06
and then persuaded all of us that it always was
102
350760
5677
06:12
a global jihad.
103
356437
2642
06:14
But the good news is
104
359079
3543
06:18
that the global jihad is almost over, as bin Laden defined it.
105
362622
5779
06:24
It was dying well before he did,
106
368401
2558
06:26
and now it's on its last legs.
107
370959
2309
06:29
Opinion polls from all over the Muslim world show
108
373268
2339
06:31
that there is very little interest among Muslims
109
375607
4552
06:36
in a global holy war against the West,
110
380159
2510
06:38
against the far enemy.
111
382669
3314
06:41
The supply of young men willing to fight and die for this cause is dwindling.
112
385983
4210
06:46
The supply of money — just as important, more important perhaps —
113
390193
2695
06:48
the supply of money to this activity is also dwindling.
114
392888
2663
06:51
The wealthy fanatics who were previously
115
395551
2808
06:54
sponsoring this kind of activity are now less generous.
116
398359
6616
07:00
What does that mean for us in the West?
117
404975
1433
07:02
Does it mean we can break out the champagne,
118
406408
3719
07:06
wash our hands of it, disengage, sleep easy at night?
119
410127
5228
07:11
No. Disengagement is not an option,
120
415355
5084
07:16
because if you let local jihad survive,
121
420439
6496
07:22
it becomes international jihad.
122
426935
2784
07:25
And so there's now a lot of different
123
429719
2681
07:28
violent jihads all over the world.
124
432400
2536
07:30
In Somalia, in Mali, in Nigeria,
125
434936
2287
07:33
in Iraq, in Afghanistan, Pakistan, there are groups that claim
126
437223
5151
07:38
to be the inheritors of the legacy of Osama bin Laden.
127
442374
5398
07:43
They use his rhetoric.
128
447772
1516
07:45
They even use the brand name he created for his jihad.
129
449288
5167
07:50
So there is now an al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb,
130
454455
4158
07:54
there's an al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula,
131
458613
1629
07:56
there is an al Qaeda in Mesopotamia.
132
460242
2650
07:58
There are other groups -- in Nigeria, Boko Haram,
133
462892
2087
08:00
in Somalia, al Shabaab -- and they all pay homage to Osama bin Laden.
134
464979
6113
08:06
But if you look closely,
135
471092
1934
08:08
they're not fighting a global jihad.
136
473026
2801
08:11
They're fighting battles over much narrower issues.
137
475827
4086
08:15
Usually it has to do with ethnicity or race or sectarianism,
138
479913
4369
08:20
or it's a power struggle.
139
484282
1192
08:21
More often than not, it's a power struggle
140
485474
1840
08:23
in one country, or even a small region within one country.
141
487314
3596
08:26
Occasionally they will go across a border,
142
490910
2964
08:29
from Iraq to Syria, from Mali to Algeria,
143
493874
6279
08:36
from Somalia to Kenya, but they're not fighting
144
500153
1880
08:37
a global jihad against some far enemy.
145
502033
5041
08:42
But that doesn't mean
146
507074
3087
08:46
that we can relax.
147
510161
2327
08:48
I was in Yemen recently, where -- it's the home
148
512488
2251
08:50
of the last al Qaeda franchise
149
514739
3311
08:53
that still aspires to attack America, attack the West.
150
518050
4112
08:58
It's old school al Qaeda.
151
522162
2223
09:00
You may remember these guys.
152
524385
1187
09:01
They are the ones who tried to send the underwear bomber here,
153
525572
2681
09:04
and they were using the Internet to try and instigate
154
528253
2949
09:07
violence among American Muslims.
155
531202
2840
09:09
But they have been distracted recently.
156
534042
1340
09:11
Last year, they took control over a portion of southern Yemen,
157
535382
2707
09:13
and ran it, Taliban-style.
158
538089
2757
09:16
And then the Yemeni military got its act together,
159
540846
2799
09:19
and ordinary people rose up against these guys
160
543645
3317
09:22
and drove them out, and since then, most of their activities,
161
546962
3286
09:26
most of their attacks have been directed at Yemenis.
162
550248
4201
09:30
So I think we've come to a point now where we can say
163
554449
4041
09:34
that, just like all politics, all jihad is local.
164
558490
3496
09:37
But that's still not reason for us to disengage,
165
561986
4472
09:42
because we've seen that movie before, in Afghanistan.
166
566458
3745
09:46
When those Mujahideen defeated the Soviet Union,
167
570203
3799
09:49
we disengaged.
168
574002
2696
09:52
And even before the fizz had gone out of our celebratory champagne,
169
576698
7089
09:59
the Taliban had taken over in Kabul,
170
583787
2780
10:02
and we said, "Local jihad, not our problem."
171
586567
3914
10:06
And then the Taliban gave the keys of Kandahar
172
590481
2726
10:09
to Osama bin Laden. He made it our problem.
173
593207
2536
10:11
Local jihad, if you ignore it, becomes global jihad again.
174
595743
6281
10:17
The good news is that it doesn't have to be.
175
602024
3607
10:21
We know how to fight it now.
176
605631
2173
10:23
We have the tools. We have the knowhow,
177
607804
2771
10:26
and we can take the lessons we've learned
178
610575
1587
10:28
from the fight against global jihad, the victory against global jihad,
179
612162
3901
10:31
and apply those to local jihad.
180
616063
3480
10:35
What are those lessons? We know who killed bin Laden:
181
619543
4792
10:40
SEAL Team Six.
182
624335
1935
10:42
Do we know, do we understand, who killed bin Ladenism?
183
626270
4462
10:46
Who ended the global jihad?
184
630732
3363
10:49
There lie the answers to the solution to local jihad.
185
634095
3371
10:53
Who killed bin Ladenism? Let's start with bin Laden himself.
186
637466
4278
10:57
He probably thought 9/11 was his greatest achievement.
187
641744
2391
11:00
In reality, it was the beginning of the end for him.
188
644135
4152
11:04
He killed 3,000 innocent people, and that filled
189
648287
2872
11:07
the Muslim world with horror and revulsion,
190
651159
4184
11:11
and what that meant was that his idea of jihad
191
655343
3193
11:14
could never become mainstream.
192
658536
1579
11:16
He condemned himself to operating on the lunatic fringes
193
660115
3879
11:19
of his own community.
194
663994
4061
11:23
9/11 didn't empower him; it doomed him.
195
668055
5108
11:29
Who killed bin Ladenism? Abu Musab al-Zarqawi killed it.
196
673163
4818
11:33
He was the especially sadistic head of al Qaeda in Iraq
197
677981
3193
11:37
who sent hundreds of suicide bombers to attack
198
681174
3321
11:40
not Americans but Iraqis. Muslims. Sunni as well as Shiites.
199
684495
6472
11:46
Any claim that al Qaeda had to being protectors of Islam
200
690967
3968
11:50
against the Western crusaders
201
694935
2843
11:53
was drowned in the blood of Iraqi Muslims.
202
697778
5674
11:59
Who killed Osama bin Laden? The SEAL Team Six.
203
703452
3403
12:02
Who killed bin Ladenism? Al Jazeera did,
204
706855
2708
12:05
Al Jazeera and half a dozen other satellite news stations in Arabic,
205
709563
5060
12:10
because they circumvented the old, state-owned
206
714623
3017
12:13
television stations in a lot of these countries
207
717640
3495
12:17
which were designed to keep information from people.
208
721135
2992
12:20
Al Jazeera brought information to them, showed them
209
724127
3448
12:23
what was being said and done in the name of their religion,
210
727575
3397
12:26
exposed the hypocrisy of Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda,
211
730972
5273
12:32
and allowed them, gave them the information
212
736245
1906
12:34
that allowed them to come to their own conclusions.
213
738151
4493
12:38
Who killed bin Ladenism? The Arab Spring did,
214
742644
3336
12:41
because it showed a way for young Muslims
215
745980
3464
12:45
to bring about change
216
749444
3848
12:49
in a manner that Osama bin Laden, with his
217
753292
1785
12:50
limited imagination, could never have conceived.
218
755077
3663
12:54
Who defeated the global jihad? The American military did,
219
758740
3398
12:58
the American soldiers did, with their allies,
220
762138
2482
13:00
fighting in faraway battlefields.
221
764620
5016
13:05
And perhaps, a time will come when they get the rightful credit for it.
222
769636
5176
13:10
So all these factors, and many more besides,
223
774812
3057
13:13
we don't even fully understand some of them yet,
224
777869
3167
13:16
these came together
225
781036
2833
13:19
to defeat a monstrosity as big as bin Ladenism,
226
783869
3791
13:23
the global jihad, you needed this group effort.
227
787660
3848
13:27
Now, not all of these things will work in local jihad.
228
791508
2080
13:29
The American military is not going to march into Nigeria
229
793588
2922
13:32
to take on Boko Haram,
230
796510
2609
13:35
and it's unlikely that SEAL Team Six will rappel
231
799119
1937
13:36
into the homes of al Shabaab's leaders and take them out.
232
801056
4534
13:41
But many of these other factors that were in play
233
805590
3554
13:45
are now even stronger than before. Half the work is already done.
234
809144
5874
13:50
We don't have to reinvent the wheel.
235
815018
3021
13:53
The notion of violent jihad in which more Muslims are killed
236
818039
3471
13:57
than any other kind of people is already thoroughly discredited.
237
821510
3576
14:00
We don't have to go back to that.
238
825086
3616
14:04
Satellite television and the Internet are informing
239
828702
4034
14:08
and empowering young Muslims in exciting new ways.
240
832736
4387
14:13
And the Arab Spring has produced governments,
241
837123
2625
14:15
many of them Islamist governments,
242
839748
3104
14:18
who know that, for their own self-preservation,
243
842852
2965
14:21
they need to take on the extremists in their midsts.
244
845817
5910
14:27
We don't need to persuade them, but we do need to help them,
245
851727
2855
14:30
because they haven't really come to this place before.
246
854582
5246
14:35
The good news, again, is that a lot of the things they need
247
859828
3754
14:39
we already have, and we are very good at giving:
248
863582
2799
14:42
economic assistance, not just money, but expertise,
249
866381
3923
14:46
technology, knowhow,
250
870304
2637
14:48
private investment, fair terms of trade,
251
872941
4038
14:52
medicine, education, technical support for training
252
876979
4210
14:57
for their police forces to become more effective,
253
881189
3091
15:00
for their anti-terror forces to become more efficient.
254
884280
4867
15:05
We've got plenty of these things.
255
889147
1414
15:06
Some of the other things that they need
256
890561
2293
15:08
we're not very good at giving. Maybe nobody is.
257
892854
3455
15:12
Time, patience, subtlety, understanding --
258
896309
5197
15:17
these are harder to give.
259
901506
2042
15:19
I live in New York now. Just this week,
260
903548
2377
15:21
posters have gone up in subway stations in New York
261
905925
2538
15:24
that describe jihad as savage.
262
908463
5726
15:30
But in all the many years that I have covered the Middle East,
263
914189
4353
15:34
I have never been as optimistic as I am today
264
918542
3232
15:37
that the gap between the Muslim world and the West
265
921774
3663
15:41
is narrowing fast,
266
925437
2624
15:43
and one of the many reasons for my optimism
267
928061
1673
15:45
is that, because I know there are millions,
268
929734
3312
15:48
hundreds of millions of people, Muslims like that old imam
269
933046
3823
15:52
in Tunis, who are reclaiming this word
270
936869
6742
15:59
and restoring to its original, beautiful purpose.
271
943611
5348
16:04
Bin Laden is dead. Bin Ladenism has been defeated.
272
948959
2616
16:07
His definition of jihad can now be expunged.
273
951575
4381
16:11
To that jihad we can say, "Goodbye. Good riddance."
274
955956
4541
16:16
To the real jihad we can say, "Welcome back. Good luck."
275
960497
6534
16:22
Thank you. (Applause)
276
967031
3632
Translated by Joseph Geni
Reviewed by Morton Bast

▲Back to top

ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Bobby Ghosh - Editor
Bobby Ghosh is the Managing Editor at Quartz.

Why you should listen

Bobby Ghosh was the longest serving print journalist in Iraq until he left in 2007 to become Time's World Editor. Formerly an editor-at-large for Time, his work encompasses his broad interests, from restaurant reviews to an extended interview with Egyptian president Mohammad Morsi for his latest cover story. He recently went on patrol in Yemen to view what many hope is the end of the transnational al-Qaeda movement. Ghosh is now the Managing Editor of Quartz.

To explore more of the ideas in Ghosh's talk, read his recent essay for Time Worldwide: "11 Years After 9/11, the Holy World War Is Over and All Jihad is Local" >>

 
More profile about the speaker
Bobby Ghosh | Speaker | TED.com