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Samantha Power: A complicated hero in the war on dictatorship

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Would you negotiate with someone you knew to be evil, to save lives? Samantha Power tells a story of a complicated hero, Sergio Vieira de Mello. This UN diplomat walked a thin moral line, negotiating with the world's worst dictators to help their people survive crisis. It's a compelling story told with a fiery passion.

- Political scientist and journalist
Samantha Power studies US foreign policy, especially as it relates to war and human rights. Her books take on the world's worst problems: genocide, civil war and brutal dictatorships. Full bio

I spent the better part of a decade
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looking at American responses to mass atrocity and genocide.
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And I'd like to start by sharing with you one moment
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that to me sums up what there is to know
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about American and democratic responses to mass atrocity.
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And that moment came on April 21, 1994.
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So 14 years ago, almost, in the middle of the Rwandan genocide,
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in which 800,000 people would be systematically exterminated
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by the Rwandan government and some extremist militia.
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On April 21, in the New York Times,
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the paper reported that somewhere between 200,000 and 300,000 people
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had already been killed in the genocide.
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It was in the paper -- not on the front page.
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It was a lot like the Holocaust coverage,
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it was buried in the paper.
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Rwanda itself was not seen as newsworthy,
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and amazingly, genocide itself was not seen as newsworthy.
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But on April 21, a wonderfully honest moment occurred.
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And that was that an American congresswoman
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named Patricia Schroeder from Colorado
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met with a group of journalists.
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And one of the journalists said to her, what's up?
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What's going on in the U.S. government?
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Two to 300,000 people have just been exterminated
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in the last couple of weeks in Rwanda.
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It's two weeks into the genocide at that time,
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but of course, at that time you don't know how long it's going to last.
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And the journalist said, why is there so little response out of Washington?
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Why no hearings, no denunciations,
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no people getting arrested in front of the Rwandan embassy
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or in front of the White House? What's the deal?
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And she said -- she was so honest -- she said, "It's a great question.
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All I can tell you is that in my congressional office in Colorado
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and my office in Washington,
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we're getting hundreds and hundreds of calls
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about the endangered ape and gorilla population in Rwanda,
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but nobody is calling about the people.
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The phones just aren't ringing about the people."
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And the reason I give you this moment is there's a deep truth in it.
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And that truth is, or was, in the 20th century,
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that while we were beginning to develop endangered species movements,
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we didn't have an endangered people's movement.
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We had Holocaust education in the schools.
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Most of us were groomed not only on images of nuclear catastrophe,
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but also on images and knowledge of the Holocaust.
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There's a museum, of course, on the Mall in Washington,
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right next to Lincoln and Jefferson.
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I mean, we have owned Never Again culturally,
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appropriately, interestingly.
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And yet the politicization of Never Again,
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the operationalization of Never Again,
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had never occurred in the 20th century.
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And that's what that moment with Patricia Schroeder I think shows:
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that if we are to bring about an end to the world's worst atrocities,
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we have to make it such.
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There has to be a role --
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there has to be the creation of political noise and political costs
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in response to massive crimes against humanity, and so forth.
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So that was the 20th century.
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Now here -- and this will be a relief to you at this point in the afternoon --
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there is good news, amazing news, in the 21st century,
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and that is that, almost out of nowhere, there has come into being
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an anti-genocide movement, an anti-genocide constituency,
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and one that looks destined, in fact, to be permanent.
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It grew up in response to the atrocities in Darfur.
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It is comprised of students. There are something like 300 anti-genocide chapters
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on college campuses around the country.
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It's bigger than the anti-apartheid movement.
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There are something like 500 high school chapters
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devoted to stopping the genocide in Darfur.
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Evangelicals have joined it. Jewish groups have joined it.
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"Hotel Rwanda" watchers have joined it. It is a cacophonous movement.
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To call it a movement, as with all movements, perhaps, is a little misleading.
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It's diverse. It's got a lot of different approaches.
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It's got all the ups and the downs of movements.
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But it has been amazingly successful in one regard,
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in that it has become,
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it has congealed into this endangered people's movement
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that was missing in the 20th century.
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It sees itself, such as it is, the it,
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as something that will create the impression that there will be political cost,
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there will be a political price to be paid,
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for allowing genocide, for not having an heroic imagination,
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for not being an upstander but for being, in fact, a bystander.
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Now because it's student-driven,
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there's some amazing things that the movement has done.
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They have launched a divestment campaign
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that has now convinced, I think, 55 universities in 22 states
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to divest their holdings of stocks
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with regard to companies doing business in Sudan.
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They have a 1-800-GENOCIDE number --
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this is going to sound very kitsch,
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but for those of you who may not be, I mean, may be apolitical,
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but interested in doing something about genocide,
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you dial 1-800-GENOCIDE and you type in your zip code,
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and you don't even have to know who your congressperson is.
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It will refer you directly to your congressperson, to your U.S. senator,
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to your governor where divestment legislation is pending.
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They've lowered the transaction costs of stopping genocide.
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I think the most innovative thing they've introduced recently
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are genocide grades.
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And it takes students to introduce genocide grades.
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So what you now have when a Congress is in session
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is members of Congress calling up these 19-year-olds or 24-year-olds
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and saying, I'm just told I have a D minus on genocide;
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what do I do to get a C? I just want to get a C. Help me.
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And the students and the others
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who are part of this incredibly energized base
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are there to answer that, and there's always something to do.
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Now, what this movement has done is it has extracted from the Bush administration
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from the United States,
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at a time of massive over-stretch -- military, financial, diplomatic --
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a whole series of commitments to Darfur
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that no other country in the world is making.
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For instance, the referral of the crimes in Darfur
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to the International Criminal Court,
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which the Bush administration doesn't like.
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The expenditure of 3 billion dollars in refugee camps to try to keep,
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basically, the people who've been displaced from their homes
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by the Sudanese government, by the so-called Janjaweed, the militia,
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to keep those people alive
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until something more durable can be achieved.
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And recently, or now not that recently,
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about six months ago, the authorization of a peacekeeping force
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of 26,000 that will go.
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And that's all the Bush administration's leadership,
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and it's all because of this bottom-up pressure
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and the fact that the phones haven't stopped ringing
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from the beginning of this crisis.
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The bad news, however, to this question of will evil prevail,
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is that evil lives on.
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The people in those camps are surrounded on all sides
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by so-called Janjaweed, these men on horseback
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with spears and Kalashnikovs.
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Women who go to get firewood in order to heat the humanitarian aid
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in order to feed their families -- humanitarian aid,
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the dirty secret of it is it has to be heated, really, to be edible --
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are themselves subjected to rape,
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which is a tool of the genocide that is being used.
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And the peacekeepers I've mentioned, the force has been authorized,
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but almost no country on Earth has stepped forward since the authorization
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to actually put its troops or its police in harm's way.
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So we have achieved an awful lot relative to the 20th century,
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and yet far too little relative to the gravity of the crime that is unfolding
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as we sit here, as we speak.
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Why the limits to the movement?
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Why is what has been achieved, or what the movement has done,
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been necessary but not sufficient to the crime?
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I think there are a couple -- there are many reasons --
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but a couple just to focus on briefly.
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The first is that the movement, such as it is,
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stops at America's borders.
It is not a global movement.
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It does not have too many compatriots abroad who themselves
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are asking their governments to do more to stop genocide.
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And the Holocaust culture that we have in this country
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makes Americans, sort of, more prone to, I think,
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want to bring Never Again to life.
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The guilt that the Clinton administration expressed,
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that Bill Clinton expressed over Rwanda,
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created a space in our society for a consensus
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that Rwanda was bad and wrong
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and we wish we had done more, and that is something
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that the movement has taken advantage of.
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European governments, for the most part,
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haven't acknowledged responsibility, and there's nothing to kind of
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to push back and up against.
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So this movement, if it's to be durable and global,
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will have to cross borders, and you will have to see
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other citizens in democracies, not simply resting on the assumption
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that their government would do something in the face of genocide,
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but actually making it such.
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Governments will never gravitate towards crimes of this magnitude
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naturally or eagerly.
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As we saw, they haven't even gravitated towards protecting our ports
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or reigning in loose nukes.
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Why would we expect in a bureaucracy that it would orient itself
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towards distant suffering?
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So one reason is it hasn't gone global.
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The second is, of course, that at this time in particular in America's history,
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we have a credibility problem,
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a legitimacy problem in international institutions.
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It is structurally really, really hard to do,
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as the Bush administration rightly does,
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which is to denounce genocide on a Monday
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and then describe water boarding on a Tuesday as a no-brainer
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and then turn up on Wednesday and look for troop commitments.
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Now, other countries have their own reasons for not wanting to get involved.
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Let me be clear.
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They're in some ways using the Bush administration as an alibi.
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But it is essential for us to be a leader in this sphere,
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of course to restore our standing and our leadership in the world.
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The recovery's going to take some time.
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We have to ask ourselves, what now? What do we do going forward
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as a country and as citizens in relationship to the world's worst places,
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the world's worst suffering, killers, and the kinds of killers
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that could come home to roost sometime in the future?
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The place that I turned to answer that question was to a man
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that many of you may not have ever heard of,
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and that is a Brazilian named Sergio Vieira de Mello who,
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as Chris said, was blown up in Iraq in 2003.
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He was the victim of the first-ever suicide bomb in Iraq.
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It's hard to remember, but there was actually a time in the summer of 2003,
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even after the U.S. invasion, where,
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apart from looting, civilians were relatively safe in Iraq.
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Now, who was Sergio? Sergio Vieira de Mello was his name.
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In addition to being Brazilian, he was described to me
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before I met him in 1994 as someone who was a cross between
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James Bond on the one hand and Bobby Kennedy on the other.
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And in the U.N., you don't get that many people
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who actually manage to merge those qualities.
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He was James Bond-like in that he was ingenious.
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He was drawn to the flames, he chased the flames,
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he was like a moth to the flames. Something of an adrenalin junkie.
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He was successful with women.
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He was Bobby Kennedy-like because in some ways one could never tell
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if he was a realist masquerading as an idealist
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or an idealist masquerading as a realist, as people always wondered
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about Bobby Kennedy and John Kennedy in that way.
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What he was was a decathlete of nation-building, of problem-solving,
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of troubleshooting in the world's worst places
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and in the world's most broken places.
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In failing states, genocidal states, under-governed states,
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precisely the kinds of places that threats to this country exist
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on the horizon, and precisely the kinds of places
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where most of the world's suffering tends to get concentrated.
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These are the places he was drawn to.
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He moved with the headlines.
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He was in the U.N. for 34 years. He joined at the age of 21.
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Started off when the causes in the wars du jour in the '70s
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were wars of independence and decolonization.
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He was there in Bangladesh
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dealing with the outflow of millions of refugees --
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the largest refugee flow in history up to that point.
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He was in Sudan when the civil war broke out there.
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He was in Cyprus right after the Turkish invasion.
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He was in Mozambique for the War of Independence.
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He was in Lebanon. Amazingly, he was in Lebanon -- the U.N. base was used --
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Palestinians staged attacks out from behind the U.N. base.
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Israel then invaded and overran the U.N. base.
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Sergio was in Beirut when the U.S. Embassy was hit
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by the first-ever suicide attack against the United States.
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People date the beginning of this new era to 9/11, but surely 1983,
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with the attack on the US Embassy and the Marine barracks --
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which Sergio witnessed -- those are, in fact, in some ways,
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the dawning of the era that we find ourselves in today.
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From Lebanon he went to Bosnia in the '90s.
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The issues were, of course, ethnic sectarian violence.
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He was the first person to negotiate with the Khmer Rouge.
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Talk about evil prevailing. I mean, here he was in the room
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with the embodiment of evil in Cambodia.
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He negotiates with the Serbs.
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He actually crosses so far into this realm of talking to evil
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and trying to convince evil that it doesn't need to prevail
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that he earns the nickname -- not Sergio but Serbio
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while he's living in the Balkans and conducting these kinds of negotiations.
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He then goes to Rwanda and to Congo in the aftermath of the genocide,
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and he's the guy who has to decide -- huh, OK, the genocide is over;
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800,000 people have been killed; the people responsible are fleeing
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into neighboring countries -- into Congo, into Tanzania.
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I'm Sergio, I'm a humanitarian, and I want to feed those --
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well, I don't want to feed the killers
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but I want to feed the two million people who are with them, so we're going to go,
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we're going to set up camps,
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and we're going to supply humanitarian aid.
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But, uh-oh, the killers are within the camps.
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Well, I'd like to separate the sheep from the wolves.
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Let me go door-to-door to the international community
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and see if anybody will give me police or troops to do the separation.
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And their response, of course, was no more than we wanted
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to stop the genocide and put our troops in harm's way to do that,
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nor do we now want to get in the way and pluck genocidaires from camps.
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So then you have to make the decision.
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Do you turn off the international spigot of life support
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and risk two million civilian lives?
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Or do you continue feeding the civilians, knowing that the genocidaires
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are in the camps, literally sharpening their knives for future battle?
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What do you do?
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It's all lesser-evil terrain in these broken places.
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Late '90s: nation-building is the cause du jour.
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He's the guy put in charge. He's the Paul Bremer or the Jerry Bremer
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of first Kosovo and then East Timor. He governs the places.
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He's the viceroy. He has to decide on tax policy, on currency,
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on border patrol, on policing. He has to make all these judgments.
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He's a Brazilian in these places. He speaks seven languages.
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He's been up to that point in 14 war zones
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so he's positioned to make better judgments, perhaps,
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than people who have never done that kind of work.
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But nonetheless, he is the cutting edge of our experimentation
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with doing good with very few resources being brought to bear in,
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again, the world's worst places.
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And then after Timor, 9/11 has happened,
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he's named U.N. Human Rights Commissioner,
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and he has to balance liberty and security and figure out,
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what do you do when the most powerful country in the United Nations
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is bowing out of the Geneva Conventions,
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bowing out of international law? Do you denounce?
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Well, if you denounce,
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you're probably never going to get back in the room.
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Maybe you stay reticent. Maybe you try to charm President Bush --
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and that's what he did. And in so doing he earned himself,
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unfortunately, his final and tragic appointment to Iraq --
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the one that resulted in his death.
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One note on his death, which is so devastating,
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is that despite predicating the war on Iraq
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on a link between Saddam Hussein and terrorism in 9/11,
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believe it or not, the Bush administration or the invaders
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did no planning, no pre-war planning, to respond to terrorism.
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So Sergio -- this receptacle of all of this learning on how to deal with evil
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and how to deal with brokenness,
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lay under the rubble for three and a half hours without rescue.
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Stateless. The guy who tried to help the stateless people his whole career.
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Like a refugee. Because he represents the U.N.
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If you represent everyone, in some ways you represent no one.
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You're un-owned.
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And what the American -- the most powerful military in the history of mankind
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was able to muster for his rescue,
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believe it or not, was literally these heroic two American soldiers
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went into the shaft. Building was shaking.
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One of them had been at 9/11 and lost his buddies on September 11th,
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and yet went in and risked his life in order to save Sergio.
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But all they had was a woman's handbag --
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literally one of those basket handbags --
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and they tied it to a curtain rope from one of the offices at U.N. headquarters,
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and created a pulley system into this shaft in this quivering building
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in the interests of rescuing this person,
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the person we most need to turn to now, this shepherd,
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at a time when so many of us feel like we're lacking guidance.
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And this was the pulley system. This was what we were able to muster for Sergio.
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The good news, for what it's worth,
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is after Sergio and 21 others were killed that day in the attack on the U.N.,
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the military created a search and rescue unit
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that had the cutting equipment, the shoring wood, the cranes,
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the things that you would have needed to do the rescue.
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But it was too late for Sergio.
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I want to wrap up, but I want to close
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with what I take to be the four lessons from Sergio's life
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on this question of how do we prevent evil from prevailing,
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which is how I would have framed the question.
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Here's this guy who got a 34-year head start
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thinking about the kinds of questions we as a country are grappling with,
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we as citizens are grappling with now. What do we take away?
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First, I think, is his relationship to, in fact, evil is something to learn from.
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He, over the course of his career, changed a great deal.
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He had a lot of flaws, but he was very adaptive.
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I think that was his greatest quality.
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He started as somebody who would denounce harmdoers,
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he would charge up to people who were violating international law,
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and he would say, you're violating, this is the U.N. Charter.
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Don't you see it's unacceptable what you're doing?
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And they would laugh at him because he didn't have the power of states,
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the power of any military or police.
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He just had the rules, he had the norms, and he tried to use them.
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And in Lebanon, Southern Lebanon in '82,
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he said to himself and to everybody else,
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I will never use the word "unacceptable" again.
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I will never use it. I will try to make it such,
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but I will never use that word again.
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But he lunged in the opposite direction.
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He started, as I mentioned, to get in the room with evil,
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to not denounce, and became almost obsequious
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when he won the nickname Serbio, for instance,
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and even when he negotiated with the Khmer Rouge
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would black-box what had occurred prior to entering the room.
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But by the end of his life, I think he had struck a balance
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that we as a country can learn from.
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Be in the room, don't be afraid of talking to your adversaries,
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but don't bracket what happened before you entered the room.
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Don't black-box history. Don't check your principles at the door.
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And I think that's something that we have to be in the room,
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whether it's Nixon going to China or Khrushchev and Kennedy
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or Reagan and Gorbachev.
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All the great progress in this country with relation to our adversaries
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has come by going into the room.
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And it doesn't have to be an act of weakness.
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You can actually do far more to build an international coalition
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against a harmdoer or a wrongdoer by being in the room
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and showing to the rest of the world that that person, that regime,
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is the problem and that you, the United States, are not the problem.
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Second take-away from Sergio's life, briefly.
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What I take away, and this in some ways is the most important,
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he espoused and exhibited a reverence for dignity
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that was really, really unusual.
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At a micro level, the individuals around him were visible.
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He saw them.
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At a macro level, he thought, you know,
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we talk about democracy promotion, but we do it in a way sometimes
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that's an affront to people's dignity.
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We put people on humanitarian aid
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and we boast about it because we've spent three billion.
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It's incredibly important,
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those people would no longer be alive if the United States, for instance,
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hadn't spent that money in Darfur,
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but it's not a way to live.
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If we think about dignity in our conduct as citizens
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and as individuals with relation to the people around us,
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and as a country, if we could inject a regard for dignity
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into our dealings with other countries,
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it would be something of a revolution.
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Third point, very briefly. He talked a lot about freedom from fear.
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And I recognize there is so much to be afraid of.
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There are so many genuine threats in the world.
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But what Sergio was talking about is,
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let's calibrate our relationship to the threat.
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Let's not hype the threat; let's actually see it clearly.
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We have reason to be afraid of melting ice caps.
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We have reason to be afraid that we haven't secured
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loose nuclear material in the former Soviet Union.
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Let's focus on what are the legitimate challenges and threats,
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but not lunge into bad decisions because of a panic, of a fear.
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In times of fear, for instance, one of the things Sergio used to say
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is, fear is a bad advisor.
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We lunge towards the extremes
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when we aren't operating and trying to, again,
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calibrate our relationship to the world around us.
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Fourth and final point: he somehow, because he was working
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in all the world's worst places and all lesser evils,
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had a humility, of course,
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and an awareness of the complexity of the world around him.
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I mean, such an acute awareness of how hard it was.
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How Sisyphean this task was of mending,
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and yet aware of that complexity,
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humbled by it, he wasn't paralyzed by it.
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And we as citizens, as we go through this experience of the kind of,
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the crisis of confidence, crisis of competence, crisis of legitimacy,
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I think there's a temptation to pull back from the world and say,
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ah, Katrina, Iraq -- we don't know what we're doing.
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We can't afford to pull back from the world.
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It's a question of how to be in the world.
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And the lesson, I think,
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of the anti-genocide movement that I mentioned,
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that is a partial success but by no means
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has it achieved what it has set out to do --
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it'll be many decades, probably, before that happens --
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but is that if we want to see change, we have to become the change.
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We can't rely upon our institutions to do the work
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of necessarily talking to adversaries on their own
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without us creating a space for that to happen,
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for having respect for dignity,
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and for bringing that combination of humility
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and a sort of emboldened sense of responsibility
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to our dealings with the rest of the world.
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So will evil prevail? Is that the question?
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I think the short answer is: no, not unless we let it.
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Thank you.
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(Applause)
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Samantha Power - Political scientist and journalist
Samantha Power studies US foreign policy, especially as it relates to war and human rights. Her books take on the world's worst problems: genocide, civil war and brutal dictatorships.

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Samantha Power is head of Harvard's Carr Center for Human Rights Policy, where she studies US policy as it relates to human rights, genocide and war. She's the author of a famous memo (in policy circles) suggesting that US foreign policy is utterly broken -- that the United States must return to a human rights-centered foreign policy or risk its prestige and respect in the world community. Her latest book is about Sergio Vieira de Mello, a UN diplomat who worked with the world's worst dictators to help protect the human rights of their people.

Power is also a journalist of fearless reputation. She spent 1993 to '96 reporting in the former Yugoslavia, and now contributes reportage and commentary to the New Yorker and Time. Her other books include A Problem from Hell: America and the Age of Genocide.

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