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Robert Gupta: Music is medicine, music is sanity
Robert Gupta: Glazba je lijek, glazba je zdravlje
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Robert Gupta, violinist filharmonijskog orkestra iz LA-a, govori o lekcijama koje je jednom davao briljantnom, šizofrenom glazbeniku -- i onome što je naučio. U drugom dijelu, Gupta izvodi vlastitu transkripciju Bachovog preludija iz prve suite za violončelo.
Robert Gupta - Violinist
Violinist Robert Gupta joined the LA Philharmonic at the age of 19 -- and maintains a passionate parallel interest in neurobiology and mental health issues. He's a TED Senior Fellow. Full bio
Violinist Robert Gupta joined the LA Philharmonic at the age of 19 -- and maintains a passionate parallel interest in neurobiology and mental health issues. He's a TED Senior Fellow. Full bio
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One day, Los Angeles Times columnist
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Jednog dana je kolumnist Los Angeles Timesa,
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Steve Lopez was walking along
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Steve Lopez, hodao
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the streets of downtown Los Angeles
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ulicama centra Los Angelesa,
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when he heard beautiful music.
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kada je čuo prekrasnu glazbu.
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And the source was a man,
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Dolazila je od čovjeka,
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an African-American man,
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Afroamerikanca,
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charming, rugged, homeless,
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šarmantnog, surovog beskućnika
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playing a violin that only had two strings.
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koji je svirao violinu sa samo dvije žice.
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And I'm telling a story that many of you know,
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I pričam vam priču koju mnogi od vas znaju
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because Steve's columns became the basis
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jer je Steveova kolumna postala osnova
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for a book, which was turned into a movie,
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za knjigu, koja je pretvorena u film,
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with Robert Downey Jr. acting as Steve Lopez,
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u kojem Robert Downey Jr. glumi Steve Lopeza,
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and Jamie Foxx as Nathaniel Anthony Ayers,
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a Jamie Foxx Nathaniel Anthony Ayersa,
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the Juilliard-trained double bassist
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kontrabasista s glazbene akademije Julliard
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whose promising career was cut short
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čija je obećavajuća karijera prekinuta
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by a tragic affliction with paranoid schizophrenia.
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tragičnom pojavom paranoične šizofrenije.
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Nathaniel dropped out of Juilliard, he suffered a complete breakdown,
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Nathaniel se ispisao s Julliarda, pretrpio potpuni slom
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and 30 years later he was living homeless
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i 30 godina kasnije živio kao beskućnik
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on the streets of Skid Row in downtown Los Angeles.
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na ulicama Skid Rowa u centru Los Angelesa.
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I encourage all of you to read Steve's book or to watch the movie
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Sve vas potičem na čitanje Steveove knjige ili gledanje filma
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to understand not only the beautiful bond
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kako biste razumijeli ne samo divnu vezu
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that formed between these two men,
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koja se stvorila između ova dva muškarca,
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but how music helped shape that bond,
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već kako je glazba omogućila oblikovanje te veze,
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and ultimately was instrumental -- if you'll pardon the pun --
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koja je na kraju bila instrument(alna), ako ćete dozvoliti igru riječi,
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in helping Nathaniel get off the streets.
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pomoći Nathanielu kako bi se maknuo s ulice.
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I met Mr. Ayers in 2008,
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Sreo sam gosp. Ayersa 2008.,
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two years ago, at Walt Disney Concert Hall.
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prije dvije godine, u koncertnoj dvorani Walt Disney.
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He had just heard a performance of Beethoven's First and Fourth symphonies,
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Upravo je čuo izvedbu Beethovenove prve i četvrte simfonije,
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and came backstage and introduced himself.
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te se došao predstaviti iza pozornice.
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He was speaking in a very jovial and gregarious way
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Govorio je na jako veseo i druželjubiv način
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about Yo-Yo Ma and Hillary Clinton
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o Yo-Yo Ma i Hillary Clinton,
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and how the Dodgers were never going to make the World Series,
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i kako Dodgersi nikada neće osvojiti svjetsko prvenstvo,
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all because of the treacherous first violin passage work
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a sve zbog nesigurnog prvog pasaža violine
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in the last movement of Beethoven's Fourth Symphony.
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u zadnjem stavku Beethovenove četvrte simfonije.
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And we got talking about music, and I got an email from Steve a few days later
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I tako smo pričali o glazbi, da bih nekoliko dana kasnije dobio e-mail od Stevea
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saying that Nathaniel was interested in a violin lesson with me.
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u kojem kaže kako je Nathaniel zainteresiran da ga podučavam violinu.
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Now, I should mention that Nathaniel refuses treatment
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Trebao bih spomenuti kako Nathaniel odbija liječenje
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because when he was treated it was with shock therapy
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jer su ga ranije liječili šok terapijom,
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and Thorazine and handcuffs,
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Torazinom i lisicama,
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and that scar has stayed with him for his entire life.
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i taj mu je ožiljak ostao za cijeli život.
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But as a result now, he is prone to
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Sada, kao posljedica toga, sklon je
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these schizophrenic episodes,
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tim šizofrenim epizodama
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the worst of which can manifest themselves as
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od kojih se najgore mogu manifestirati tako
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him exploding
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da eksplodira,
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and then disappearing for days,
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a potom nestane na nekoliko dana,
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wandering the streets of Skid Row,
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lutajući ulicama Skid Rowa,
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exposed to its horrors, with the torment of his own mind
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izložen njihovim užasima, dok ga vlastiti unutrašnji demoni
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unleashed upon him.
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progone.
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And Nathaniel was in such a state of agitation
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Nathaniel je bio toliko uzbuđen
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when we started our first lesson at Walt Disney Concert Hall --
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kada smo započeli s prvom lekcijom u koncertnoj dvorani Walt Disney
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he had a kind of manic glint in his eyes,
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da je imao neku vrstu maničnog sjaja u očima,
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he was lost.
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bio je izgubljen.
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And he was talking about
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I govorio je o
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invisible demons and smoke,
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nevidljivim demonima i dimu,
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and how someone was poisoning him in his sleep.
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te da ga netko truje dok spava.
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And I was afraid,
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I bio sam uplašen,
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not for myself, but I was afraid
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ne za sebe, već sam bio uplašen
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that I was going to lose him,
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da ću ga izgubiti,
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that he was going to sink into one of his states,
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da će potonuti u jedno od svojih stanja,
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and that I would ruin his relationship with the violin
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te da ću ja upropastiti njegovu vezu s violinom
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if I started talking about scales
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ako krenem govoriti o ljestvicama,
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and arpeggios and other exciting forms of
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arpeggima i drugim zanimljivim oblicima
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didactic violin pedagogy.
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didaktičke pedagogije violine.
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(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
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So, I just started playing.
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Stoga sam jednostavno počeo svirati.
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And I played the first movement of the Beethoven Violin Concerto.
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Svirao sam prvi stavak Beethovenovog koncerta za violinu.
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And as I played,
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I dok sam svirao,
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I understood that there was a profound change
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shvatio sam da se dogodila duboka promjena
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occurring in Nathaniel's eyes.
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vidljiva u Nathanielovim očima.
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It was as if he was in the grip of some invisible pharmaceutical,
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Djelovao je kao da se nalazi u zagrljaju nekog nevidljivog lijeka,
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a chemical reaction, for which my playing the music
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kemijske reakcije, kojoj je moje sviranje violine
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was its catalyst.
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bio katalizator.
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And Nathaniel's manic rage
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I Nathanielov bijes
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was transformed into understanding,
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se pretvorio u razumijevanje,
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a quiet curiosity and grace.
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tihu znatiželju i milost.
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And in a miracle, he lifted his own violin
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I kao u čudu, podigao je svoju violinu,
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and he started playing, by ear,
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i započeo svirati, po sluhu,
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certain snippets of violin concertos
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određene isječke koncerata za violinu,
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which he then asked me to complete -- Mendelssohn,
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a potom me zamolio da ih dovršim - Mendelssohn,
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Tchaikovsky, Sibelius.
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Čajkovski, Sibelius.
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And we started talking about music, from Bach
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Počeli smo pričati o glazbi, od Bacha
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to Beethoven and Brahms,
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do Beethovena i Brahmsa,
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Bruckner, all the B's,
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Brucknera, svim B-ovima,
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from Bartók, all the way up to Esa-Pekka Salonen.
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od Bartóka, sve do Esa-Pekka Salonena.
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And I understood that he not only
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I shvatio sam da on ima ne samo
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had an encyclopedic knowledge of music,
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enciklopedijsko znanje o glazbi,
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but he related to this music at a personal level.
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već da je s njom povezan na osobnom nivou.
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He spoke about it with the kind of passion
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Govorio je o njoj s jednom vrstom strasti
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and understanding that I share with my colleagues
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i razumijevanja koju ja dijelim sa svojim kolegama
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in the Los Angeles Philharmonic.
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u LA filharmoniji.
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And through playing music and talking about music,
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Kroz sviranje i razgovor o glazbi
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this man had transformed
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taj se muškarac transformirao
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from the paranoid, disturbed man
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iz paranoičnog, poremećenog čovjeka
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that had just come from walking the streets
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koji je dolutao s ulica
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of downtown Los Angeles
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centra Los Angelesa,
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to the charming, erudite,
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u šarmantnog, obrazovanog,
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brilliant, Juilliard-trained musician.
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briljantnog glazbenika s Julliarda.
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Music is medicine. Music changes us.
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Glazba je lijek. Glazba nas mijenja.
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And for Nathaniel, music is sanity.
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A za Nathaniela, glazba je zdravlje.
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Because music allows him to take his thoughts
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Glazba mu omogućava uzeti vlastite misli
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and delusions and shape them
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i obmane te ih,
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through his imagination and his creativity,
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pomoću vlastite mašte i kreativnosti
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into reality.
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pretvoriti u stvarnost.
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And that is an escape
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A to je bijeg
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from his tormented state.
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iz njegovog mučnog stanja.
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And I understood that this was the very essence of art.
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I shvatio sam da je to srž umjetnosti.
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This was the very reason why we made music,
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To je razlog zašto smo stvorili glazbu,
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that we take something that exists within all of us
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uzimamo nešto što postoji u svima nama,
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at our very fundamental core,
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u našoj temeljnoj srži,
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our emotions,
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našim emocijama,
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and through our artistic lens,
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i kroz naše umjetničke leče,
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through our creativity, we're able to shape those emotions into reality.
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kroz našu kreativnost, sposobni smo pretvoriti te emocije u stvarnost.
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And the reality of that expression
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I stvarnost tog izričaja
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reaches all of us
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dopire do svih nas
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and moves us, inspires and unites us.
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i potiče nas, inspirira i ujedinjuje.
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And for Nathaniel,
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A Nathaniela je
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music brought him back into a fold of friends.
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glazba vratila natrag među prijatelje.
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The redemptive power of music brought him back
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Iskupljujuća moć glazbe vratila ga je
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into a family of musicians
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u obitelj glazbenika
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that understood him,
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koji su ga razumjeli,
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that recognized his talents
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koji su prepoznali njegov talent
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and respected him.
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i poštovali ga.
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And I will always make music with Nathaniel,
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I uvijek ću stvarati glazbu s Nathanielom,
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whether we're at Walt Disney Concert Hall
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bilo da smo u koncertnoj dvorani Walt Disneya,
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or on Skid Row, because he reminds me
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ili u Skid Rowu, jer on me podsjeća
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why I became a musician.
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zašto sam postao glazbenik.
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Thank you.
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Hvala vam.
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(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
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Bruno Giussani: Thank you. Thanks.
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Bruno Giussani: Hvala vam. Hvala.
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Robert Gupta.
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Robert Gupta
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(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
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Robert Gupta: I'm going to play something that I shamelessly stole from cellists.
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Robert Gupta: želio bih odsvirati nešto što sam besramno ukrao od čelista.
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So, please forgive me.
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Molim vas, oprostite mi.
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(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
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(Music)
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(Glazba)
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(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Robert Gupta - ViolinistViolinist Robert Gupta joined the LA Philharmonic at the age of 19 -- and maintains a passionate parallel interest in neurobiology and mental health issues. He's a TED Senior Fellow.
Why you should listen
Violinist Robert Vijay Gupta joined the Los Angeles Philharmonic at the age of 19. He made his solo debut, at age 11, with the Israel Philharmonic under Zubin Mehta. He has a Master's in music from Yale. But his undergraduate degree? Pre-med. As an undergrad, Gupta was part of several research projects in neuro- and neurodegenerative biology. He held Research Assistant positions at CUNY Hunter College in New York City, where he worked on spinal cord neuronal regeneration, and at the Harvard Institutes of Medicine Center for Neurologic Diseases, where he studied the biochemical pathology of Parkinson's disease.
Gupta is passionate about education and outreach, both as a musician and as an activist for mental health issues. He has the privilege of working with Nathaniel Ayers, the brilliant, schizophrenic musician featured in "The Soloist," as his violin teacher.
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