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Kiran Bedi: A police chief with a difference
Kiran Bedi：獨樹一格的印度警長
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Kiran Bedi有著不同凡響的人生歷程。在成為印度警察局長之前，她管理印度國內最難搞的監獄之一，致力於預防犯罪和教育，她將監獄重塑成一個學習和冥想的中心。她在TEDWomen上分享她有遠見的領導方式。
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Kiran Bedi was one of India's top cops -- tough, innovative and committed to social change. Now retired from the national police force, Bedi runs two NGOs that benefit rural and urban poor. Full bio
Kiran Bedi was one of India's top cops -- tough, innovative and committed to social change. Now retired from the national police force, Bedi runs two NGOs that benefit rural and urban poor. Full bio
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Now I'm going to give you a story.
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我接下來要講的故事
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It's an Indian story about an Indian woman and her journey.
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是關於一個印度女人的旅程
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Let me begin with my parents.
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先從我的父母講起吧。
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I'm a product of this
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我的爸媽
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visionary mother and father.
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非常有遠見
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Many years ago, when I was born in the '50s --
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在我出生的50年代--
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'50s and '60s
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50、60年代時
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didn't belong to girls in India.
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在印度女生是不受重視的。
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They belonged to boys.
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男孩子才是寶
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They belonged to boys who would join business
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男生要開創事業
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and inherit business from parents,
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或是繼承家族事業
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and girls would be dolled up to get married.
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女生呢，被催著趕快結婚。
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My family, in my city,
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我的家庭
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and almost in the country, was unique.
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在當時是非常特別的。
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We were four of us, not one,
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我們家四個小孩
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and fortunately no boys.
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很幸運，一個男孩都沒有
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We were four girls and no boys.
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四個通通是女孩。
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And my parents were part
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我們家世代都是
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of a landed property family.
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大地主
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My father defied his own grandfather,
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我爸違抗了他爺爺
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almost to the point of disinheritance,
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幾乎鬧到要被斷絕繼承權的地步
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because he decided to educate
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只因為他決定要讓我們
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all four of us.
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四個女生都上學。
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He sent us to one of the best schools in the city
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他送我們去念當地最好的學校
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and gave us the best education.
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給我們最好的教育
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As I've said, when we're born, we don't choose our parents,
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我說過，做子女的無法選擇父母
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and when we go to school, we don't choose our school.
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做學生的，不能選擇學校
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Children don't choose a school.
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孩子無法自己選學校
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They just get the school which parents choose for them.
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學校都是父母親做決定的。
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So this is the foundation time which I got.
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這就是我的基礎
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I grew up like this, and so did my other three sisters.
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我和三個姐妹在這樣子的環境長大。
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And my father used to say at that time,
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我爸以前常常說
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"I'm going to spread all my four daughters in four corners of the world."
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「我的四個女兒將來要分散到世界四個角落」
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I don't know if he really meant [that], but it happened.
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我不知道他是開玩笑還是認真的，不過後來成真了
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I'm the only one who's left in India.
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我是唯一留在印度的。
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One is a British, another is an American
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一個姐妹是英國人、一個是美國人
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and the third is a Canadian.
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一個是加拿大人
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So we are four of us in four corners of the world.
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我們四個就這樣在世界四個角落。
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And since I said they're my role models,
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我的父母是我的模範
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I followed two things which my father and mother gave me.
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我遵循他們教我的兩件事
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One, they said, "Life is on an incline.
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第一：「人生是斜坡」
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You either go up,
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「你不是向上爬」
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or you come down."
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「就是向下滾」
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And the second thing, which has stayed with me,
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第二件事，我一直惦記在心
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which became my philosophy of life,
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後來變成我人生哲學
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which made all the difference,
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也改變了很多事
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is: 100 things happen in your life, good or bad.
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就是：生命中發生的100件事，無論好壞
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Out of 100, 90 are your creation.
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其中90件是你的所作所為。
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They're good. They're your creation. Enjoy it.
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若是好事，是你所做，享受吧。
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If they're bad, they're your creation. Learn from it.
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若是壞事，是你所為，就從中學習。
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Ten are nature-sent over which you can't do a thing.
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只有10件是你無法控制的
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It's like a death of a relative,
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像是親戚過世、
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or a cyclone, or a hurricane, or an earthquake.
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氣旋、颶風、地震
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You can't do a thing about it.
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你無法改變結果
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You've got to just respond to the situation.
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但你必須對情況作出反應。
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But that response comes out of those 90 points.
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你會做什麼反應，都是由另外90件事得來的。
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Since I'm a product of this philosophy,
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我是這種哲學下的產物
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of 90/10,
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90/10哲學
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and secondly, "life on an incline,"
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還有「人生是斜坡」這兩種觀點
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that's the way I grew up
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我在這樣的想法下長大
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to be valuing what I got.
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我珍惜我所擁有的
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I'm a product of opportunities,
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我也是好運下的產物。
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rare opportunities in the '50s and the '60s,
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在50、60年代那種女孩子無法上學的狀況下
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which girls didn't get,
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我有幸能上學
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and I was conscious of the fact that what my parents were giving me
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我明白我父母親給我的
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was something unique.
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是很獨特的東西
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Because all of my best school friends were getting dolled up
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因為我學校好友都被催著
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to get married with a lot of dowry,
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帶著一堆嫁妝，趕快嫁人
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and here I was with a tennis racket and going to school
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我則是帶著網球拍上學
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and doing all kinds of extracurricular activities.
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參加一堆課外活動。
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I thought I must tell you this.
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我一定要跟各位說這些
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Why I said this, is the background.
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因為這是我的背景。
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This is what comes next.
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接下來我要說
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I joined the Indian Police Service as a tough woman,
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我考上了印度警察時是一個堅強的女子，
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a woman with indefatigable stamina,
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我是個不屈不撓、有耐力的女人
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because I used to run for my tennis titles, etc.
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因為以前追尋網球頭銜練成的
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But I joined the Indian Police Service,
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最後我加入了印度警察部門
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and then it was a new pattern of policing.
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那時對“警察”有了新的定義。
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For me the policing stood for power to correct,
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對我來說，警察代表了糾正的權利
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power to prevent and power to detect.
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遏止犯罪的權利和偵察的權利。
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This is something like a new definition ever given in policing in India --
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這是印度警界的新定義 --
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the power to prevent.
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遏止犯罪的權利。
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Because normally it was always said, power to detect, and that's it,
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通常大家都會覺得有偵察的權利
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or power to punish.
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或者處罰的權利就夠了。
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But I decided no, it's a power to prevent,
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但我決定，最重要的是遏止犯罪的權利
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because that's what I learned when I was growing up.
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因為我成長過程中學到的就是
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How do I prevent the 10 and never make it more than 10?
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如何避免那10件事，並控制在10之內
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So this was how it came into my service,
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這就是我後來很重視這點的原因
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and it was different from the men.
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也是和其他男警官不同的地方。
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I didn't want to make it different from the men, but it was different,
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我不想要刻意營造出男女警官的不同處，但這是事實
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because this was the way I was different.
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也是我與他人的相異處
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And I redefined policing concepts in India.
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我重新定義了印度警察。
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I'm going to take you on two journeys,
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我要和各位分享兩段旅程
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my policing journey and my prison journey.
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我的警察之旅與監獄之旅。
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What you see, if you see the title
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你可以看到標題
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called "PM's car held."
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「總理座車被拖吊」
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This was the first time a prime minister of India
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這是印度總理首次被開了
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was given a parking ticket.
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違規停車罰單。
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(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
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That's the first time in India,
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這在印度是第一次
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and I can tell you, that's the last time you're hearing about it.
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我可以告訴你，也會是最後一次
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It'll never happen again in India,
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以後不會再發生了
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because now it was once and forever.
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絕對是空前絕後。
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And the rule was, because I was sensitive,
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因為我觀察敏銳
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I was compassionate, I was very sensitive to injustice,
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富同情、特別對不公平的事抱不屈
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and I was very pro-justice.
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而且我正義勇為
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That's the reason, as a woman, I joined the Indian Police Service.
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就是因為這原因，身為女人的我加入了印度警察
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I had other options, but I didn't choose them.
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我有其他路可以走，但我卻選擇這條
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So I'm going to move on.
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並勇敢走下去。
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This is about tough policing, equal policing.
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所以我要說的是關於嚴厲、平等的警務執行。
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Now I was known as "here's a woman that's not going to listen."
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大家都知道，我是個什麼都聽不進去的女人
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So I was sent to all indiscriminate postings,
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隨便什麼崗位就丟給我
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postings which others would say no.
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一些其他人不想做的工作
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I now went to a prison assignment as a police officer.
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後來我被派去監獄執行警務。
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Normally police officers don't want to do prison.
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通常，警察不想被賦予監獄任務
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They sent me to prison to lock me up,
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但他們給我這任務，是想把我關起來
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thinking, "Now there will be no cars
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因為監獄裏沒有車
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and no VIPs to be given tickets to.
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也就不會有特權人士再被開單
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Let's lock her up."
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把她關起來吧。
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Here I got a prison assignment.
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所以我被指派到監獄
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This was a prison assignment which was one big den of criminals.
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去面對處理一大堆的罪犯
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Obviously, it was.
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也果真如此。
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But 10,000 men,
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但 10,000人中
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of which only 400 were women -- 10,000 --
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只有400名婦女，10,000人中，
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9,000 plus about 600
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9600個
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were men.
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是男人
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Terrorists, rapists,
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是恐怖分子、強姦犯
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burglars, gangsters --
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小偷、流氓--
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some of them I'd sent to jail
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有些還是我當警察時
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as a police officer outside.
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送進去坐牢的。
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And then how did I deal with them?
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我告訴各位我怎麼應付他們。
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The first day when I went in,
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我第一天進去
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I didn't know how to look at them.
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不知該視線要往哪裏擺
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And I said, "Do you pray?" When I looked at the group, I said, "Do you pray?"
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我問：「你們禱告嗎？」我看著這群人說：「你們禱告嗎？」
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They saw me as a young, short woman wearing a pathan suit.
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他們看著我這個年輕矮小、穿著制服的女警
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I said, "Do you pray?"
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我繼續問：「你們禱告嗎？」
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And they didn't say anything.
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他們一句話都不說
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I said, "Do you pray? Do you want to pray?"
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我說：「你們禱告嗎？你們想禱告嗎？」
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They said, "Yes." I said, "All right, let's pray."
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他們說：「是的」我說：「好，我們來禱告」
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I prayed for them, and things started to change.
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我為他們禱告，然後事情開始有了轉變。
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This is a visual of education inside the prison.
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這是監獄裡受教育的景象
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Friends, this has never happened,
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各位，這是前所未見的
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where everybody in the prison studies.
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監獄裡每個人都讀著書
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I started this with community support.
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這個計畫是靠地方社區的支持開始的。
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Government had no budget.
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政府沒有這樣的預算。
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It was one of the finest, largest volunteerism
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這變成世上最棒、最大自動自發
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in any prison in the world.
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的監獄之一。
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This was initiated in Delhi prison.
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最初是在德里監獄開始的
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You see one sample
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你看到的是其中一例
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of a prisoner teaching a class.
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這是囚犯在教書
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These are hundreds of classes.
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好幾百堂的課
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Nine to eleven, every prisoner went into the education program --
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9點到11點，每個囚犯都參與教育課程
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the same den in which they thought
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在這裡，他們原以為
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they would put me behind the bar and things would be forgotten.
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進了監獄就會被眾人遺忘。
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We converted this into an ashram --
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我們將之改造成靜修處
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from a prison to an ashram through education.
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透過教育，將監獄轉變為靜修處。
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I think that's the bigger change.
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我想這是更大的改變
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It was the beginning of a change.
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這成為轉變的開始
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Teachers were prisoners. Teachers were volunteers.
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老師們是囚犯自己，是自願的
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Books came from donated schoolbooks.
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書是學校教科書捐來的
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Stationery was donated.
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文具是捐來的
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Everything was donated,
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每樣東西都是別人捐的。
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because there was no budget of education for the prison.
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因為沒有監獄教育這種預算
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Now if I'd not done that,
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如果我沒這麼做
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it would have been a hellhole.
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這裡會是很糟的地方
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That's the second landmark.
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這是第二個里程碑。
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I want to show you some moments of history in my journey,
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我帶各位看看我過去這段旅程
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which probably you would never ever get to see anywhere in the world.
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裏面可能會有你從未見過的東西
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One, the numbers you'll never get to see.
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第一是：人數之多會讓你驚訝
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Secondly, this concept.
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第二是這個概念本身。
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This was a meditation program inside the prison
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這是監獄裡的冥想計畫
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of over 1,000 prisoners.
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數千名犯人一起參與
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One thousand prisoners who sat in meditation.
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這是一千名犯人一起冥想。
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This was one of the most courageous steps
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這是我身為典獄長時
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I took as a prison governor.
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最勇敢的舉動
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And this is what transformed.
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這就是轉變的過程。
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You want to know more about this,
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如果你想知道更多
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go and see this film, "Doing Time, Doing Vipassana."
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可以去看看《牢關、內觀》這部片
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You will hear about it, and you will love it.
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你會聽到更多的事，並且愛上這轉變
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And write to me on KiranBedi.com,
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或是到KiranBedi.com寫信給我
07:09
and I'll respond to you.
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我會回覆的。
07:11
Let me show you the next slide.
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下一張幻燈片
07:13
I took the same concept of mindfulness,
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一樣也是正念、内觀的概念
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because, why did I bring meditation into the Indian prison?
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為什麼我把冥想帶進印度監獄？
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Because crime is a product of a distorted mind.
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因為犯罪是思想扭曲的成品
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It was distortion of mind which needed to be addressed to control.
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思想扭曲是需要控制的
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Not by preaching, not by telling,
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不是說教、講道理
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not by reading, but by addressing your mind.
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也不是透過閱讀，而是直接面對心靈。
07:28
I took the same thing to the police,
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一樣的作法，我帶到警界
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because police, equally, were prisoners of their minds,
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因為警察，也是自己內心的囚犯
07:33
and they felt as if it was "we" and "they,"
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他們覺得跟犯人的差距就是"你、我"
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and that the people don't cooperate.
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並覺得人人都不好好合作。
07:37
This worked.
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這奏效了
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This is a feedback box called a petition box.
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這個意見回饋盒叫做"陳情箱"
07:41
This is a concept which I introduced
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這是我發起的一個概念
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to listen to complaints, listen to grievances.
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來聆聽抱怨、傾聽委屈。
07:46
This was a magic box.
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這是個神秘寶盒
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This was a sensitive box.
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是個很敏感的盒子
07:50
This is how a prisoner drew how they felt about the prison.
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這是犯人畫他們心中的監獄
07:53
If you see somebody in the blue --
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你看到穿藍色衣服
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yeah, this guy --
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這個人
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he was a prisoner, and he was a teacher.
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他是犯人，也是老師
07:59
And you see, everybody's busy. There was no time to waste.
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可以看到，大家都很忙，沒閒時間浪費。
08:02
Let me wrap it up.
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我來做結吧
08:04
I'm currently into movements,
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我正在推行一些運動
08:06
movements of education
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關於教育的運動
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of the under-served children,
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關於經費不足的孩子們
08:10
which is thousands -- India is all about thousands.
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現在有數千名這樣的孩子，印度都用千來計算的。
08:13
Secondly is about the anti-corruption movement in India.
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第二，就是印度的反腐敗活動
08:15
That's a big way
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這是個很大的行動
08:17
we, as a small group of activists,
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我們身為一小群的積極分子
08:19
have drafted an ombudsman bill for the government of India.
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我們已經擬好監察、申訴專員草案，要交給印度政府。
08:22
Friends, you will hear a lot about it.
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各位，你們將會聽到更多消息
08:25
That's the movement at the moment I'm driving,
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這些就是我目前正推行的運動
08:27
and that's the movement and ambition of my life.
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也是我一生的野心所在。
08:30
Thank you very much.
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非常感謝
08:32
(Applause)
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（掌聲）
08:34
Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you.
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謝謝 非常感謝 謝謝
08:37
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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謝謝 謝謝 謝謝
ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Kiran Bedi - Corrections pioneerKiran Bedi was one of India's top cops -- tough, innovative and committed to social change. Now retired from the national police force, Bedi runs two NGOs that benefit rural and urban poor.
Why you should listen
Before she retired in 2007, Kiran Bedi was one of India’s top cops. As the first and highest-ranking female officer in the national police force, she earned a reputation for being tough yet innovative on the job. Her efforts to prevent crime, reform prisons, end drug abuse, and support women’s causes earned her a Roman Magsaysay Award, the Asian equivalent of the Nobel Prize. Bedi also served as a police adviser to the UN Secretary General.
In retirement, Bedi has become one of the most trusted and admired community leaders in India. She advocates for social change and civic responsibility through her books, columns, and a popular reality-TV show. She reaches out to more than 10,000 people daily through her two NGOs, Navjyoti and India Vision Foundation, which provide education, training, counseling and health care to the urban and rural poor. Her latest initiative, Mission Safer India, aims to ensure that police log and address citizen complaints. Her life is the subject of the 2008 documentary Yes, Madam Sir, narrated by Helen Mirren.
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