Jon Ronson: When online shaming goes too far
جون رانسون: ما يحدث عندما ينتشر الفضح ويخرج عن السيطرة
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it was like a place of radical de-shaming.
مخزي بلا حياء.
shameful secrets about themselves,
المتعلقة بهم.
"Oh my God, I'm exactly the same."
"يا إلهي، أنا مثلك تماما".
that they had a voice,
بأنهم أصبح لهم صوت،
or homophobic column,
أو حول رهاب المثلية،
something about it.
that we understood but they didn't --
نفهمه نحن ولكنهم لا يفهمونه--
their advertising.
misused their privilege,
التي يتمتعون بها،
democratization of justice.
pop science writer called Jonah Lehrer --
مجال العلوم يدعى جونا ليرير--
and faking quotes,
وتزًيفها،
and regret, he told me.
at a foundation lunch.
important speech of his life.
live-streaming his event,
هذا الحدث على المباشر،
until he turned up,
Twitter feed right next to his head.
بتغريدات تويتر بجانب رأسه.
in his eye line.
على مرمى بصره.
because they were monstrous.
كانوا بهذه الفظاعة.
I think this was a unique moment
أعتقد أنها كانت لحظة فريدة
horrific reality.
that were cascading into his eye line,
into forgiving him."
ليجعلنا نسامحه ."
that he is capable of feeling shame."
" لم يثبت لنا جونا ليرر أنه يشعر بالعار."
by the best psychiatrist ever,
نفسي على الإطلاق
a tiny figure behind a lectern.
لشخص خلف المنبر.
a frigging sociopath."
إجتماعي غريب الأطوار."
to do, to dehumanize the people we hurt.
لإذلال من نقوم بإيذائهم.
but not feel bad about it.
بالأسف حيال ذلك.
begging for another chance,
يتوسل للحصول على فرصة آخرى،
courtroom dramas, we tend to identify
في الدراما، نميل الى التشبّه
and we become like hanging judges.
القضاة.
perceived to have misused his privilege,
أساء استخدام الامتيازات التي لديه
and we were still kicking,
بالركل،
for punching up.
when there wasn't a powerful person
عندما لم يكن يوجد شخص ذا نفوذ
that we could get.
التي كان يمكننا الحصول عليها.
began to feel like a day
يوما
داخل الماء.
جوستين ساككو.
with 170 Twitter followers,
كان لديها 170 متابع على تويتر،
acerbic jokes to them,
لهم على تويتر،
from New York to London:
متجهة من نيويورك نحو لندن:
It's 2014. Get some deodorant."
الأولى وفي 2014. اشتري مزيلا للعرق."
Thank god for pharmaceuticals.]
القصيبات. الحمد لله على الأدوية.]
and pressed send, and got no replies,
إرسال ولم تحصل على أي رد.
congratulate us for being funny.
خفة ظلنا.
doesn't talk back.
لا تتحدث مرة آخرى.
and she had a little time to spare
بعض الوقت
another funny little acerbic joke:
مزحة آخرى لاذعة:
Just kidding. I'm white!]
بالإيدز. أمزح. أنا بيضاء البشرة!]
got on the plane, got no replies,
ثم صعدت إلى الطائرة ولم تحصل على رد،
was taxiing on the runway,
نحو المدرج المخصص لها.
a message from somebody
to since high school,
to see what's happening to you."
يحدث لك."
from a best friend,
trending topic on Twitter."
على تويتر."
of her 170 followers had sent the Tweet
قام بإرسال التغريدة
retweeted it to his 15,000 followers:
نشرها لمتابعيه الذي يبلغ عددهم 15.000
from IAC's PR boss]
مديرة العلاقات العامة]
to the Gawker journalist.
and he said, "It felt delicious."
شعوره فأجابني بأنه يشعر بالمتعة.
"But I'm sure she's fine."
من أنها بخير.
because while she slept,
لأنها أثناء نومها
and dismantled it piece by piece.
بتفكيكها إلى قطع.
بكتابة:
words ... bother you,
@CARE's work in Africa.]
منظمة @CARE الناشطة بإفريقيا.]
racist tweet, I'm donating to @care today]
والعنصرية، فأنني أتبرع اليوم ل@care ]
racist as fuck tweet from Justine Sacco.
والعنصرية التي كتبتها جوستين ساككو.
that night? A few of you.
تلك الليلة؟ القليل منكم
your Twitter feed the way it did mine?
كما تفعل الألغام؟
what everybody thought that night,
تلك الليلة،
that joke was intended to be racist.
من هذه المزحة هو العنصرية.
flaunting her privilege,
flaunting of privilege.
بامتيازاتهم.
or Randy Newman.
وراندي نيومان.
as good at it as Randy Newman.
جيدة مثل راندي نيومان.
a couple of weeks later in a bar,
حانة بعد أسابيع قليلة من الحادثة
puts us in a bit of a bubble
يعيش كأنه في فقاعة
in the Third World.
العالم الثالث.
night, a New Statesman writer Helen Lewis,
الليلة، كاتبة سياسية جديدة: هيلين لويس.
and wrote that she Tweeted that night,
إذ كتبت أنها قامت بنشر تغريدة تلك الليلة
was intended to be racist,"
a fury of Tweets saying,
تقول:
a privileged bitch, too."
أيضا."
as Justine's life got torn apart.
تنهار.
this cunt @JustineSacco]
JustineSacco@]
فصلها من العمل.
in the new year. #GettingFired]
في العام الجديد. GettingFired# ]
to get her fired.
of your career. #SorryNotSorry
حياتك المهنية. SorryNotSorry#
hoping to sell their products
أرجو أن تبيع منتجاتها،
stupid before you take off,
تغريدة حول شيء غبي قبل الإقلاع
on a @Gogo flight!]
good money that night.
في تلك الليلة.
Googled 40 times a month.
40 مرة في الشهر.
and the end of December,
that that meant that Google made
جوجل جنى
and 468,000 dollars
those of us doing the actual shaming --
الفضح
shaming interns for Google.
لجوجل بدون أجر.
Justine Sacco gets aids? lol]
بمرض الايدز؟ لول]
this bitch and then we'll find out
حامل لفيروس الإيدز وسنكتشف
about destroying Justine,
are so simple-minded,
destroying somebody
تدمير حياة شخص
destroying Justine.
على نحو غير لائق.
a lot of disparate groups that night,
المجموعات،
You demented bitch...
أيتها الكلبة المجنونة ...
to ride bare back while in Africa.]
عارية الظهر.]
"I'm going to get you fired."
" سأجعلك تطرد من عملك."
and raped and cut out your uterus."
وقطع رحمك"
outrageous, offensive comment.
هذا تعليق مهين وعدواني.
unreachable on an intl flight.]
من على متن الطائرة.]
turned to excitement:
@JustineSacco's face when her plane lands
JustineSacco @ بعد أن تحط طائرتها
her inbox/voicemail. #fired]
is going to have the most painful
هاتف
when her plane lands.]
bitch get fired. In REAL time.
she's getting fired.]
a delightful narrative arc.
جوستين على علم به.
less judicial than this?
and unable to explain herself,
قادرة على شرح موقفها،
a huge part of the hilarity.
like toddlers crawling towards a gun.
نزحف باتجاه السلاح.
which plane she was on, so they linked
التي تقلها، لذلك قام بنشر
On-time - arrives in 1 hour 34 minutes]
في وقتها - تصل بعد 1 ساعة و34 دقيقة]
to see someone self-destruct
#hasJustineLandedYet]
# هل هبطت طائرة جوستين بعد؟]
to go to bed, but everyone at the bar
وأخلد للنوم، ولكن الجميع في الحانة،
Can't look away. Can't leave.]
لا أستطيع ابعاد نظري والرحيل.]
thing to happen to my Friday night.]
أفضل شيء حدث لي ليلة الجمعة. ]
to the airport to tweet her arrival?
الى المطار ليغرّد لنا وصولها؟
نعم كان هناك صور.
at Cape Town international.
الدولي.
what it looks like to discover
because of a misconstrued liberal joke,
فهمها،
sunnies as a disguise.]
حقا بالانزعاج،
a mutual approval machine.
who feel the same way we do,
مثلنا،
we screen them out.
that's the opposite of?
about people dying of AIDS in Africa.
في افريقيا بسبب الايدز.
is what led us to commit
لإرتكاب
in the Boston Review,
It's a cathartic alternative."
بل انها البديل المسهل."
meeting people like Justine Sacco --
مثل جوستين ساككو--
of people like Justine Sacco.
مثل جوستين ساككو.
but they're not fine.
ولكن هذا غير صحيح.
and suicidal thoughts.
who also told a joke that landed badly,
عادت عليها سلبيا.
with learning difficulties,
يعانون صعوبة في التعلم،
because social media demanded it.
حسب طلب مواقع التواصل الاجتماعي.
of the night, forgetting who she was.
لا تتذكر من هي.
to have misused her privilege.
استخدام امتيازاتها.
to get people for than the things
الناس بدلا من ذلك الشيء
like having children out of wedlock.
إطار الزواج.
is becoming a free pass
تأشيرة عبور مجانية
anybody we choose to.
our capacity for empathy
and unserious transgressions.
الخطيرة وغير الخطيرة.
and so to make it work,
لذلك و لانجاح الأمر
the mining billionaire Desmond Sacco.
التعدين ديزموند ساككو.
her father is a SA mining billionaire.
والدها هو ملياردير مالك شركات التعدين.
And neither is her father.]
ولا والدها.]
about her billionaire father,
والدها الملياردير،
the early days of Twitter,
shameful secrets about themselves,
"Oh my God, I'm exactly the same."
for people's shameful secrets.
الناس المخزية.
can overwhelm it all,
أن تطغى على كل شيء،
of people in the world:
humans over ideology,
على الايديولوجية
ideology over humans.
على الانسانية.
for constant artificial high dramas
متواصلة
a magnificent hero
about our fellow humans.
على متابعين البشر.
we are clever and stupid;
was how it gave a voice
الاجتماعية هو أنها تعطي صوتا
a surveillance society,
is to go back to being voiceless.
بدون حق للتعبير.
Google her name today,
اليوم،
100 pages of Google results --
صفحة النتائج
taken on by a reputation management firm,
ذات سمعة،
innocuous stories about her love for cats
حول حبها للقطط
managed to get the story
results, but it didn't last long.
ولكنها لم تبقى لمدة طويلة.
creeping back up to the top result.
النتائج الماضية
the very best thing we can do,
القيام به
or an ambiguous shaming,
the worst thing that happened to Justine
لجوستين
like, everyone was against her,
وكأن الجميع كانوا ضدها.
that you need to get out.
أنك يجب أن تغادر.
a babble of voices, like in a democracy,
يوجد في الديمقراطية،
I think that's much less damaging.
فأنني أعتقد أنه أقل ضررا.
stand up for somebody,
reading for everybody, okay?
أمرا إلزاميا، فهمت؟
actually puts the spotlight on shamers.
يسلط الضوء عليهم.
have friendly reactions on Twitter.
على تويتر.
with some people.
to just concentrate --
and were really nice about the book.
جيد فيما يتعلق بالكتاب.
stories about abuses of power,
حول سوء استعمال القوة،
over there in the military,
في الجيش
everybody applauds me.
يهتف لي.
people abusing our power now,"
استخدام قوتهم الآن."
"Well you must be a racist too."
yesterday -- we were at dinner,
كنا نتناول العشاء،
with people around the table --
حول الطاولة--
constructive discussion.
you turned to your phone,
على هاتفك
We had like a TED dinner last night.
كنا في عشاء TED ليلة البارحة.
and nice, and I decided to check Twitter.
فقررت إلقاء نظرة على تويتر.
a white supremacist."
"أنت شخص أبيض عنصري."
a nice conversation with somebody,
مع أحدهم.
made the world a worse place.
مكانا سيئا.
a John Carpenter movie from the 1980s,
من الثمانينات،
will start screaming at each other
على بعضهم البعض،
and then eventually everybody
ثم وفي نهاية الأمر
as a really nice option.
هذا خيار جيد حقا.
JR: Thank you, Bruno.
جون: شكرا لك، برونو.
ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Jon Ronson - Writer, filmmakerJon Ronson is a writer and documentary filmmaker who dips into every flavor of madness, extremism and obsession.
Why you should listen
For his latest book, So You've Been Publicly Shamed, Jon Ronson spent three years traveling the world and talking to people who'd been subjected to high-profile public shamings. Whatever their transgression, the response was to be faced by an angry mob, as Ronson calls them "collective outrage circles" devoted to tearing down said person from any position of power. It does not, Ronson suggests gently, reflect so well on society as a whole.
In a previous book, The Psychopath Test, Ronson explored the unnerving world of psychopaths -- a group that includes both incarcerated killers and, one of his subjects insists, plenty of CEOs. In his books, films and articles, Ronson explores madness and obsession of all kinds, from the US military's experiments in psychic warfare to the obscene and hate-filled yet Christian rap of the Insane Clown Posse. He wrote a column for the Guardian, hosted an essay program on Radio 4 in the United Kingdom, and contributes to This American Life.
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