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Mathias Jud: Art that lets you talk back to NSA spies
Matijas Jud (Mathias Jud): Umetnost koja vam omogućuje da odgovorite špijunima iz NSA
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Godine 2013, svet je saznao da NSA i njen britanski ekvivalent GCHQ rutinski špijuniraju nemačku vladu. U sred skandala, umetnici Matijas Jud i Kristof Vahter su pomislili: „Pa, ako prisluškuju... hajde da im se obratimo.“ S antenama postavljenim na švajcarskoj ambasadi u Vladinom okrugu u Berlinu, uspostavili su otvorenu mrežu koja je omogućila svetu da šalje poruke američkim i britanskim špijunima u blizini. To je jedno od tri odvažna, često duhovita i istinski subverzivna umetnička dela pojašnjena u ovom govoru, koja dovode u pitanje rastuće nezadovoljstvo u svetu prema nadzoru i zatvorenim mrežama.
Mathias Jud - Artist
The work of artists Mathias Jud and Christoph Wachter questions the limits of our communication possibilities and, therefore, of our identity. Full bio
The work of artists Mathias Jud and Christoph Wachter questions the limits of our communication possibilities and, therefore, of our identity. Full bio
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00:12
A year ago, we were invited
by the Swiss Embassy in Berlin
by the Swiss Embassy in Berlin
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Pre godinu dana, švajcarska ambasada
u Berlinu nas je pozvala
u Berlinu nas je pozvala
00:16
to present our art projects.
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da predstavimo naš umetnički projekat.
00:18
We are used to invitations,
but this invitation really thrilled us.
but this invitation really thrilled us.
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Navikli smo da nas pozivaju,
ali ova pozivnica nas je oduševila.
ali ova pozivnica nas je oduševila.
00:23
The Swiss Embassy in Berlin is special.
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Švajcarska ambasada u Berlinu
je nešto posebno.
je nešto posebno.
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It is the only old building
in the government district
in the government district
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To je jedina zgrada u Vladinom okrugu
00:29
that was not destroyed
during the Second World War,
during the Second World War,
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koja nije uništena
tokom Drugog svetskog rata
tokom Drugog svetskog rata
00:32
and it sits right next
to the Federal Chancellery.
to the Federal Chancellery.
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i nalazi se tačno pored
Federalne kancelarije.
Federalne kancelarije.
00:35
No one is closer to Chancellor Merkel
than the Swiss diplomats.
than the Swiss diplomats.
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Niko nije bliži kancelarki Merkel
od švajcarskih diplomata.
od švajcarskih diplomata.
00:39
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
00:42
The government district in Berlin
also contains the Reichstag --
also contains the Reichstag --
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Vladin okrug u Berlinu
se takođe sastoji od Rajhstaga -
se takođe sastoji od Rajhstaga -
00:46
Germany's parliament --
and the Brandenburg Gate,
and the Brandenburg Gate,
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nemačke skupštine -
i Brandenburške kapije,
i Brandenburške kapije,
00:49
and right next to the gate
there are other embassies,
there are other embassies,
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a u blizini kapije imamo druge ambasade,
00:52
in particular the US
and the British Embassy.
and the British Embassy.
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konkretno američku i britansku ambasadu.
00:56
Although Germany is an advanced democracy,
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Iako je Nemačka napredna demokratija,
00:59
citizens are limited
in their constitutional rights
in their constitutional rights
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građanima su ograničena ustavna prava
01:02
in its government district.
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unutar Vladinog okruga.
01:04
The right of assembly and the right
to demonstrate are restricted there.
to demonstrate are restricted there.
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Pravo na okupljanje i pravo
na protestovanje su ovde ograničeni,
na protestovanje su ovde ograničeni,
01:09
And this is interesting
from an artistic point of view.
from an artistic point of view.
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a to je zanimljivo
sa umetničke tačke gledišta.
sa umetničke tačke gledišta.
01:13
The opportunities to exercise
participation and to express oneself
participation and to express oneself
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Mogućnosti da uzmete učešća
i da se izrazite
i da se izrazite
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are always bound to a certain order
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su oduvek bile vezane za neki vid reda
01:20
and always subject
to a specific regulation.
to a specific regulation.
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i oduvek su bile predmet
naročite regulacije.
naročite regulacije.
01:23
With an awareness of the dependencies
of these regulations,
of these regulations,
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Razvojem svesti o našoj zavisnosti
o ovim odredbama,
o ovim odredbama,
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we can gain a new perspective.
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možemo da dobijemo novu perspektivu.
01:31
The given terms and conditions
shape our perception, our actions
shape our perception, our actions
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Data pravila i uslovi
oblikuju naša poimanja, naša delanja
oblikuju naša poimanja, naša delanja
01:35
and our lives.
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i naše živote,
01:38
And this is crucial in another context.
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a to je krucijalno u drugom kontekstu.
01:41
Over the last couple of years,
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Proteklih nekoliko godina,
01:42
we learned that from the roofs
of the US and the British Embassy,
of the US and the British Embassy,
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saznali smo da su sa krovova
američke i britanske ambasade
američke i britanske ambasade
01:47
the secret services have been listening
to the entire district,
to the entire district,
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tajne službe prisluškivale čitav okrug,
01:52
including the mobile phone
of Angela Merkel.
of Angela Merkel.
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uključujući i mobilni telefon
Angele Merkel.
Angele Merkel.
01:55
The antennas of the British GCHQ are
hidden in a white cylindrical radome,
hidden in a white cylindrical radome,
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Antene britanskog GCHQ-a su skrivene
u beloj cilindričnoj radarskoj kupoli,
u beloj cilindričnoj radarskoj kupoli,
02:00
while the listening post
of the American NSA
of the American NSA
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dok je stanica za prisluškivanje
američke NSA
američke NSA
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is covered by radio transparent screens.
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prekrivena zaslonima
koji propuštaju radio talase.
koji propuštaju radio talase.
02:07
But how to address these hidden
and disguised forces?
and disguised forces?
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Međutim, kako se obratiti
ovim skrivenim i maskiranim silama?
ovim skrivenim i maskiranim silama?
02:10
With my colleague, Christoph Wachter,
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Sa mojim kolegom, Kristofom Vahterom,
02:13
we accepted the invitation
of the Swiss Embassy.
of the Swiss Embassy.
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prihvatio sam pozivnicu
švajcarske ambasade.
švajcarske ambasade.
02:16
And we used this opportunity
to exploit the specific situation.
to exploit the specific situation.
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Iskoristili smo ovu priliku
da se okoristimo konkretnom situacijom.
da se okoristimo konkretnom situacijom.
02:22
If people are spying on us,
it stands to reason
it stands to reason
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Ako nas neko špijunira,
onda je razumno očekivati
onda je razumno očekivati
02:25
that they have to listen
to what we are saying.
to what we are saying.
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da su prinuđeni
da slušaju sve što govorimo.
da slušaju sve što govorimo.
02:28
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
02:32
On the roof of the Swiss Embassy,
we installed a series of antennas.
we installed a series of antennas.
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Na krovu švajcarske ambasade
smo instalirali niz antena.
smo instalirali niz antena.
02:38
They weren't as sophisticated as those
used by the Americans and the British.
used by the Americans and the British.
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Nisu bile prefinjene kao one
koje koriste Amerikanci i Britanci.
koje koriste Amerikanci i Britanci.
(Smeh)
02:43
(Laughter)
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To su improvizovane antene od limenki;
02:44
They were makeshift can antennas,
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02:46
not camouflaged but totally
obvious and visible.
obvious and visible.
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uopšte nisu kamuflirane,
već su potpuno očigledne i vidljive.
već su potpuno očigledne i vidljive.
02:50
The Academy of Arts joined the project,
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Umetnička akademija
se priključila projektu,
se priključila projektu,
02:52
and so we built another
large antenna on their rooftop,
large antenna on their rooftop,
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pa smo na njihovom krovu napravili
još jednu veliku antenu,
još jednu veliku antenu,
02:56
exactly between the listening posts
of the NSA and the GCHQ.
of the NSA and the GCHQ.
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tačno između stanica za prisluškivanje
NSA-a i GCHQ-a.
NSA-a i GCHQ-a.
03:00
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
03:02
Never have we been observed in such detail
while building an art installation.
while building an art installation.
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Nikad pre nismo tako pomno posmatrani
dok smo gradili umetničku instalaciju.
dok smo gradili umetničku instalaciju.
03:07
A helicopter circled over our heads
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Helikopter nam je kružio iznad glava,
03:09
with a camera registering
each and every move we made,
each and every move we made,
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s kamerom koja je pratila
baš svaki naš pokret,
baš svaki naš pokret,
03:12
and on the roof of the US Embassy,
security officers patrolled.
security officers patrolled.
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a po krovu američke ambasade
su patrolirali policajci.
su patrolirali policajci.
03:17
Although the government district
is governed by a strict police order,
is governed by a strict police order,
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Iako u Vladinom odseku
vladaju striktna policijska naređenja,
vladaju striktna policijska naređenja,
03:22
there are no specific laws
relating to digital communication.
relating to digital communication.
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ne postoje konkretni zakoni
koji se tiču digitalne komunikacije.
koji se tiču digitalne komunikacije.
03:27
Our installation
was therefore perfectly legal,
was therefore perfectly legal,
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Stoga je naša instalacija
bila sasvim legalna
bila sasvim legalna
03:31
and the Swiss Ambassador
informed Chancellor Merkel about it.
informed Chancellor Merkel about it.
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i ambasador Švajcarske
je obavestio kancelarku Merkel o njoj.
je obavestio kancelarku Merkel o njoj.
03:35
We named the project "Can You Hear Me?"
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Naslovili smo projekat:
„Da li me čujete?“
„Da li me čujete?“
03:38
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
03:40
The antennas created an open
and free Wi-Fi communication network
and free Wi-Fi communication network
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Antene su obezbedile otvorenu i besplatnu
bežičnu komunikacijsku mrežu
bežičnu komunikacijsku mrežu
03:45
in which anyone who wanted to
would be able to participate
would be able to participate
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u kojoj je svako ko je želeo
mogao da učestvuje,
mogao da učestvuje,
03:48
using any Wi-Fi-enabled device
without any hindrance,
without any hindrance,
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koristeći bilo koji vaj-faj uređaj,
bez ikakvih smetnji
bez ikakvih smetnji
03:51
and be able to send messages
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i mogao je da šalje poruke
03:53
to those listening on the frequencies
that were being intercepted.
that were being intercepted.
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onima koji prisluškuju frekvencije
koje se presreću.
koje se presreću.
03:58
Text messages, voice chat, file sharing --
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SMS poruke, glasovne poruke,
razmenu dokumenata -
razmenu dokumenata -
04:01
anything could be sent anonymously.
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sve ste mogli anonimno poslati.
04:04
And people did communicate.
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I ljudi su komunicirali.
04:07
Over 15,000 messages were sent.
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Preko 15.000 poruka je poslato.
04:10
Here are some examples.
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Ovo su neki od primera.
„Zdravo svete, zdravo Berline,
zdravo NSA, zdravo GCHQ.“
zdravo NSA, zdravo GCHQ.“
04:13
"Hello world, hello Berlin,
hello NSA, hello GCHQ."
hello NSA, hello GCHQ."
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04:19
"NSA Agents, Do the Right Thing!
Blow the whistle!"
Blow the whistle!"
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„Agenti NSA, učinite pravu stvar!
Zazviždite!“
Zazviždite!“
04:24
"This is the NSA. In God we trust.
All others we track!!!!!"
All others we track!!!!!"
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„Ovo je NSA. U boga verujemo.
Sve ostale pratimo!!!!!“
Sve ostale pratimo!!!!!“
04:28
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
04:32
"#@nonymous is watching #NSA #GCHQ -
we are part of your organizations.
we are part of your organizations.
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„#@nonymous posmatraju #NSA #GCHQ -
mi smo deo vaše organizacije.
mi smo deo vaše organizacije.
#očekujte nas. #oborićemo vas.“
04:36
# expect us. We will #shutdown"
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04:39
"This is the NSA's Achilles heel.
Open Networks."
Open Networks."
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„Ovo je Ahilova peta NSA. Otvorena mreža.“
04:42
"Agents, what twisted story of yourself
will you tell your grandchildren?"
will you tell your grandchildren?"
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„Agenti kakve uvrnute priče o sebi
ćete ispričati svojim unucima?“
ćete ispričati svojim unucima?“
04:48
"@NSA My neighbors are noisy.
Please send a drone strike."
Please send a drone strike."
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„@NSA, komšije su mi bučne.
Molim vas, pošaljite napad dronovima.“
Molim vas, pošaljite napad dronovima.“
04:52
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
04:56
"Make Love, Not cyberwar."
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„Vodite ljubav, ne sajber rat.“
Pozvali smo ambasade i vladine odseke
04:59
We invited the embassies
and the government departments
and the government departments
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05:02
to participate in the open network, too,
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da i oni učestvuju u otvorenoj mreži,
05:05
and to our surprise, they did.
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a na naše iznenađenje, prihvatili su.
05:07
Files appeared on the network,
including classified documents
including classified documents
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Na mreži su se pojavila dokumenta,
uključujući i ona tajna
uključujući i ona tajna
05:10
leaked from the parliamentary
investigation commission,
investigation commission,
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koja su procurela iz komisije
za parlamentarne istrage,
za parlamentarne istrage,
05:12
which highlights that the free exchange
and discussion of vital information
and discussion of vital information
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čime je istaknuto da su slobodna razmena
i diskusija vitalnih informacija
i diskusija vitalnih informacija
05:16
is starting to become difficult,
even for members of a parliament.
even for members of a parliament.
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postali komplikovani,
čak i za članove parlamenta.
čak i za članove parlamenta.
05:21
We also organized guided tours
to experience and sound out
to experience and sound out
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Takođe smo organizovali ture s vodičem
kako bi iskusili i doživeli
kako bi iskusili i doživeli
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the power constellations on-site.
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zvučna postrojenja na licu mesta.
05:27
The tours visited the restricted zones
around the embassies,
around the embassies,
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Ture su posećivale
zabranjene zone oko ambasada
zabranjene zone oko ambasada
05:30
and we discussed the potential
and the highlights of communication.
and the highlights of communication.
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i raspravljali smo o potencijalu
i bitnosti komunikacije.
i bitnosti komunikacije.
05:36
If we become aware of the constellation,
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Ako postanemo svesni ustrojstva,
05:40
the terms and conditions of communication,
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pravila i uslova komunikacije,
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it not only broadens our horizon,
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to će nam ne samo proširiti vidike,
05:45
it allows us to look behind
the regulations that limit our worldview,
the regulations that limit our worldview,
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već će nam omogućiti
da zavirimo iza odredbi
koje nam sužavaju pogled na svet,
koje nam sužavaju pogled na svet,
05:49
our specific social, political
or aesthetic conventions.
or aesthetic conventions.
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naše konkretne društvene, političke
ili estetske odredbe.
ili estetske odredbe.
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Let's look at an actual example.
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Pogledajmo stvarni primer.
05:57
The fate of people living
in the makeshift settlements
in the makeshift settlements
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Sudbina ljudi koji žive
u improvizovanim naseljima
u improvizovanim naseljima
06:00
on the outskirts of Paris
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na periferijama Pariza
06:02
is hidden and faded from view.
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je skrivena i zaklonjena od pogleda.
06:05
It's a vicious circle.
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To je začarani krug.
06:07
It's not poverty, not racism,
not exclusion that are new.
not exclusion that are new.
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Nije tu novina siromaštvo,
rasizam, izopštenost.
rasizam, izopštenost.
06:10
What is new is how
these realities are hidden
these realities are hidden
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Novina je kako su ove stvarnosti skrivene
06:14
and how people are made invisible
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i kako su ljudi postali nevidljivi
06:15
in an age of global and overwhelming
communication and exchange.
communication and exchange.
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u dobu globalne i masovne
komunikacije i razmene.
komunikacije i razmene.
06:20
Such makeshift settlements
are considered illegal,
are considered illegal,
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Takva improvizovana naselja
se smatraju nelegalnim
se smatraju nelegalnim
06:23
and therefore those living in them
don't have a chance
don't have a chance
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i stoga, oni koji žive u njima
nemaju nikakve šanse
nemaju nikakve šanse
06:26
of making their voices heard.
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da se njihovi glasovi čuju.
06:28
On the contrary, every time they appear,
every time they risk becoming visible,
every time they risk becoming visible,
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Naprotiv, svaki put kada se pojave,
svaki put kada rizikuju da budu vidljivi,
svaki put kada rizikuju da budu vidljivi,
06:34
merely gives grounds
for further persecution,
for further persecution,
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to samo daje osnov
za dalja krivična gonjenja,
za dalja krivična gonjenja,
06:36
expulsion and suppression.
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proterivanja i zabrane.
06:38
What interested us was how we could
come to know this hidden side.
come to know this hidden side.
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Interesovalo nas je kako možemo
da upoznamo ovu skrivenu stranu.
da upoznamo ovu skrivenu stranu.
06:44
We were searching for an interface
and we found one.
and we found one.
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Tragali smo za interfejsom
i pronašli smo ga.
i pronašli smo ga.
06:47
It's not a digital interface,
but a physical one: it's a hotel.
but a physical one: it's a hotel.
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Nije u pitanju digitalni interfejs,
već fizički; radi se o hotelu.
već fizički; radi se o hotelu.
06:51
We named the project "Hotel Gelem."
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Nazvali smo projekat „Hotel Đelem“.
Zajedno sa romskim porodicama,
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Together with Roma families,
we created several Hotel Gelems in Europe,
we created several Hotel Gelems in Europe,
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sagradili smo
nekoliko hotela „Đelem“ u Evropi,
nekoliko hotela „Đelem“ u Evropi,
06:58
for example, in Freiburg in Germany,
in Montreuil near Paris,
in Montreuil near Paris,
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na primer, u Frajburgu u Nemačkoj,
u Montreju u blizini Pariza,
u Montreju u blizini Pariza,
07:01
and also in the Balkans.
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kao i na Balkanu.
07:03
These are real hotels.
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Ovo su pravi hoteli.
07:04
People can stay there.
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Ljudi mogu da odsednu ovde.
07:06
But they aren't a commercial enterprise.
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Međutim, to nisu komercijalna preduzeća.
07:08
They are a symbol.
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Oni su simbol.
07:10
You can go online and ask
for a personal invitation
for a personal invitation
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Možete preko interneta
da zatražite ličnu pozivnicu
da zatražite ličnu pozivnicu
07:14
to come and live for a few days
in the Hotel Gelem, in their homes,
in the Hotel Gelem, in their homes,
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da dođete i živite nekoliko dana
u hotelu „Đelem“, u njihovim domovima,
u hotelu „Đelem“, u njihovim domovima,
07:18
eating, working and living
with the Roma families.
with the Roma families.
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da se hranite, radite i živite
sa romskim porodicama.
sa romskim porodicama.
07:22
Here, the Roma families
are not the travelers;
are not the travelers;
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Ovde, romske porodice nisu putnici;
07:25
the visitors are.
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posetioci su putnici.
07:27
Here, the Roma families
are not a minority;
are not a minority;
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Ovde, romske porodice nisu manjina;
07:30
the visitors are.
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posetioci su manjina.
07:33
The point is not to make judgments,
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Poenta je da ne osuđujete,
07:37
but rather to find out
about the context that determines
about the context that determines
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već pre da otkrijete kontekst
koji određuje ove različitosti
i naoko nepremostive protivrečnosti.
i naoko nepremostive protivrečnosti.
07:40
these disparate and seemingly
insurmountable contradictions.
insurmountable contradictions.
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07:44
In the world of globalization,
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U svetu globalizacije,
07:46
the continents are drifting
closer to each other.
closer to each other.
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kontinenti postaju
sve bliži jedni drugima.
sve bliži jedni drugima.
07:49
Cultures, goods and people
are in permanent exchange,
are in permanent exchange,
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Kulture, dobra i ljudi
su u stanju stalne razmene,
su u stanju stalne razmene,
07:51
but at the same time, the gap
between the world of the privileged
between the world of the privileged
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ali istovremeno
jaz između sveta privilegovanih
jaz između sveta privilegovanih
07:55
and the world of the excluded is growing.
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i sveta izopštenih sve više raste.
07:59
We were recently in Australia.
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Nedavno smo bili u Australiji.
08:01
For us, it was no problem
to enter the country.
to enter the country.
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Nama nije bio problem
da uđemo u Australiju.
da uđemo u Australiju.
08:03
We have European passports,
visas and air tickets.
visas and air tickets.
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Imamo evropske pasoše,
vize i avionske karte.
vize i avionske karte.
08:07
But asylum seekers who arrive
by boat in Australia
by boat in Australia
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Međutim, azilante,
koji brodovima stižu u Australiju,
koji brodovima stižu u Australiju,
08:10
are deported or taken to prison.
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deportuju ili odvode u zatvor.
08:13
The interception of the boats
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Presretanje brodova
08:14
and the disappearance of the people
into the detention system
into the detention system
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i nestanak ljudi u pritvorima
08:17
are veiled by the Australian authorities.
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australijske vlasti skrivaju od javnosti.
08:21
These procedures are declared
to be secret military operations.
to be secret military operations.
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Ove procedure su proglašene
tajnim vojnim operacijama.
tajnim vojnim operacijama.
08:25
After dramatic escapes
from crisis zones and war zones,
from crisis zones and war zones,
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Nakon dramatičnog bega
iz kriznih zona i ratnih zona,
iz kriznih zona i ratnih zona,
08:28
men, women and children
are detained by Australia without trial,
are detained by Australia without trial,
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muškarci, žene i deca
su pritvoreni u Australiji bez suđenja,
su pritvoreni u Australiji bez suđenja,
08:33
sometimes for years.
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ponekad godinama.
08:37
During our stay, however,
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Tokom našeg boravka, pak,
08:39
we managed to reach out and work
with asylum seekers who were imprisoned,
with asylum seekers who were imprisoned,
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uspeli smo da dopremo i da radimo
sa azilantima koji su u zatvoru,
sa azilantima koji su u zatvoru,
08:43
despite strict screening and isolation.
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uprkos strogim proverama i izolaciji.
08:46
From these contexts was born
an installation in the art space
an installation in the art space
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U ovom kontekstu je nastala
instalacija u umetničkom prostoru
instalacija u umetničkom prostoru
08:50
of the Queensland University
of Technology in Brisbane.
of Technology in Brisbane.
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Univerziteta za tehnologiju
Kvinsland u Brisbejnu.
Kvinsland u Brisbejnu.
08:54
On the face of it,
it was a very simple installation.
it was a very simple installation.
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Na prvi pogled
to je bila veoma jednostavana instalacija.
to je bila veoma jednostavana instalacija.
08:58
On the floor, a stylized compass
gave the direction
gave the direction
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Stilizovani kompas na podu
je pokazivao pravac
je pokazivao pravac
09:01
to each immigration detention center,
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ka svakom zatvorskom imigracionom centru,
09:03
accompanied by the distance
and the name of the immigration facility.
and the name of the immigration facility.
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uz informacije o udaljenosti
i nazivu imigracionog postrojenja.
i nazivu imigracionog postrojenja.
09:08
But the exhibition step
came in the form of connectivity.
came in the form of connectivity.
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Međutim, iskorak ove izložbe
je bio u vidu povezivanja.
je bio u vidu povezivanja.
09:12
Above every floor marking,
there was a headset.
there was a headset.
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Iznad svake oznake na podu
stajale su slušalice.
stajale su slušalice.
09:16
Visitors were offered the opportunity
to talk directly to a refugee
to talk directly to a refugee
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Posetiocima je pružena prilika
da razgovaraju direktno sa izbeglicom
da razgovaraju direktno sa izbeglicom
09:20
who was or had been imprisoned
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koji je bio ili jeste u zatvoru
09:23
in a specific detention facility
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u određenom zatvorskom utvrđenju
09:25
and engage in a personal conversation.
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i da se upuste u privatni razgovor.
09:28
In the protected context
of the art exhibition,
of the art exhibition,
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U bezbednom kontekstu umetničke izožbe,
09:31
asylum seekers felt free
to talk about themselves,
to talk about themselves,
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azilanti su bili slobodni
da govore o sebi,
da govore o sebi,
09:34
their story and their situation,
without fear of consequences.
without fear of consequences.
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o svojoj priči i svojoj situaciji,
bez straha od posledica.
bez straha od posledica.
09:38
Visitors immersed themselves
in long conversations
in long conversations
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Posetioci su se upustili u duge razgovore
09:41
about families torn apart,
about dramatic escapes from war zones,
about dramatic escapes from war zones,
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o razbijenim porodicama,
o dramatičnim bekstvima iz ratnih zona,
o dramatičnim bekstvima iz ratnih zona,
09:45
about suicide attempts,
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o pokušajima samoubistva,
09:47
about the fate of children in detention.
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o sudbini dece u pritvorima.
09:50
Emotions ran deep. Many wept.
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Emocije su bile jake. Mnogi su plakali.
09:52
Several revisited the exhibition.
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Nekolicina je dolazila više puta.
09:55
It was a powerful experience.
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Bilo je to snažno iskustvo.
09:58
Europe is now facing a stream of migrants.
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Evropa se trenutno suočava
sa strujom migranata.
sa strujom migranata.
10:03
The situation for the asylum seekers
is made worse by contradictory policies
is made worse by contradictory policies
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Situacija za azilante je pogoršana
protivrečnim zakonima
protivrečnim zakonima
10:07
and the temptation
of militarized responses.
of militarized responses.
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i pretnjom od vojnog odgovora.
Takođe smo uspostavili
komunikacione sisteme
komunikacione sisteme
10:11
We have also established
communication systems
communication systems
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10:14
in remote refugee centers
in Switzerland and Greece.
in Switzerland and Greece.
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u udaljenim centrima za izbeglice
u Švajcarskoj i Grčkoj.
u Švajcarskoj i Grčkoj.
Njihova svrha je pružanje
osnovnih informacija -
osnovnih informacija -
10:17
They are all about providing
basic information -- medical costs,
basic information -- medical costs,
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o medicinskim troškovima,
zakonskim informacijama, smernicama.
zakonskim informacijama, smernicama.
10:20
legal information, guidance.
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10:23
But they are significant.
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Ali izuzetno su važni.
10:25
Information on the Internet
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Informacije na internetu
10:26
that could ensure survival
along dangerous routes
along dangerous routes
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koje bi mogle da obezbede
opstanak duž opasnih trasa
opstanak duž opasnih trasa
10:29
is being censored,
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su cenzurisane
10:30
and the provision of such information
is becoming increasingly criminalized.
is becoming increasingly criminalized.
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i pružanje sličnih informacija
je sve više kriminalizovano.
je sve više kriminalizovano.
Ovo nas vraća na našu mrežu i antene
10:36
This brings us back to our network
and to the antennas
and to the antennas
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10:39
on the roof of the Swiss Embassy in Berlin
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na krovu švajcarske ambasade u Berlinu
10:41
and the "Can You Hear Me?" project.
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i projektu „Da li me čujete?“
10:44
We should not take it for granted
to be boundlessly connected.
to be boundlessly connected.
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Ne bi trebalo da uzimamo olako
našu bezgraničnu povezanost.
našu bezgraničnu povezanost.
10:47
We should start making
our own connections,
our own connections,
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Trebalo bi da počnemo
da pravimo naše veze,
da pravimo naše veze,
10:50
fighting for this idea of an equal
and globally interconnected world.
and globally interconnected world.
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boreći se za ideju
o jednakom i globalno umreženom svetu.
o jednakom i globalno umreženom svetu.
10:54
This is essential to overcome
our speechlessness
our speechlessness
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Ovo je ključno
za prevazilaženje naše zanemelosti
za prevazilaženje naše zanemelosti
10:57
and the separation provoked
by rival political forces.
by rival political forces.
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i podeljenosti koju stvaraju
suprotstavljene političke snage.
suprotstavljene političke snage.
11:00
It is only in truly exposing ourselves
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Samo kroz istinsko izlaganje nas samih
11:04
to the transformative power
of this experience
of this experience
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transformativnoj moći ovog iskustva
11:06
that we can overcome
prejudice and exclusion.
prejudice and exclusion.
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možemo prevazići predrasude i izopštenost.
11:10
Thank you.
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Hvala vam.
11:11
(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
Bruno Đuzani: Hvala ti, Matijase.
11:16
Bruno Giussani: Thank you, Mathias.
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Druga polovina tvog
umetničkog dua je takođe ovde.
umetničkog dua je takođe ovde.
11:18
The other half of your
artistic duo is also here.
artistic duo is also here.
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Kristofe Vahteru, dođi na scenu.
11:20
Christoph Wachter, come onstage.
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11:22
(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
Prvo, samo jedan detalj:
11:27
First, tell me just a detail:
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ime hotela nije nasumično izabrano.
11:29
the name of the hotel
is not a random name.
is not a random name.
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11:31
Gelem means something specific
in the Roma language.
in the Roma language.
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„Đelem“ ima specifično značenje
u jeziku Roma.
u jeziku Roma.
11:34
Mathias Jud: Yes, "Gelem, Gelem"
is the title of the Romani hymn,
is the title of the Romani hymn,
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Matijas Jud: Da, „Đelem, đelem“
je naslov zvanične himne Roma,
je naslov zvanične himne Roma,
11:39
the official, and it means
"I went a long way."
"I went a long way."
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i znači „Išao sam dugim putem“.
11:42
BG: That's just to add
the detail to your talk.
the detail to your talk.
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BĐ: To je samo dodatni detalj tvom govoru,
11:45
But you two traveled
to the island of Lesbos
to the island of Lesbos
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ali vas dvojica ste nedavno putovali
na ostrvo Lezbos,
na ostrvo Lezbos,
11:47
very recently, you're just back
a couple of days ago,
a couple of days ago,
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upravo ste se vratili
pre nekoliko dana iz Grčke
pre nekoliko dana iz Grčke
11:50
in Greece, where thousands
of refugees are arriving
of refugees are arriving
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u koju stiže na hiljade izbeglica
11:53
and have been arriving
over the last few months.
over the last few months.
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i stizalo je tokom poslednjih
nekoliko meseci.
nekoliko meseci.
11:55
What did you see there
and what did you do there?
and what did you do there?
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Šta ste videli tamo i šta ste radili tamo?
11:57
Christoph Wachter: Well, Lesbos is one
of the Greek islands close to Turkey,
of the Greek islands close to Turkey,
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Kristof Vahter: Pa, ostrvo Lezbos
je jedno od grčkih ostrva blizu Turske
je jedno od grčkih ostrva blizu Turske
12:01
and during our stay,
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i tokom našeg boravka,
12:03
many asylum seekers arrived by boat
on overcrowded dinghies,
on overcrowded dinghies,
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mnogi azilanti su stigli
brodovima, na natrpanim čamcima
brodovima, na natrpanim čamcima
12:08
and after landing, they were left
completely on their own.
completely on their own.
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i nakon iskrcavanja u potpunosti
su prepušteni sebi samima.
su prepušteni sebi samima.
12:12
They are denied many services.
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Uskraćene su im mnoge usluge.
Na primer, nije im dozvoljeno
da kupuju autobuske karte
da kupuju autobuske karte
12:16
For example, they are not allowed
to buy a bus ticket
to buy a bus ticket
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12:18
or to rent a hotel room,
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ili da iznajme hotelsku sobu,
12:19
so many families literally
sleep in the streets.
sleep in the streets.
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pa mnoge porodice
bukvalno spavaju na ulicama.
bukvalno spavaju na ulicama.
12:24
And we installed networks there
to allow basic communication,
to allow basic communication,
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Mi smo tamo instalirali mrežu
kako bismo obezbedili osnovnu komunikaciju
kako bismo obezbedili osnovnu komunikaciju
12:29
because I think, I believe,
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jer mislim, verujem,
12:31
it's not only that we have to speak
about the refugees,
about the refugees,
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ne samo da moramo
da govorimo o izbeglicama,
da govorimo o izbeglicama,
12:36
I think we need to start talking to them.
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već mislim da moramo
da počnemo da razgovaramo s njima,
da počnemo da razgovaramo s njima,
12:40
And by doing so, we can realize
that it is about human beings,
that it is about human beings,
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a na taj način ćemo shvatiti
da se radi o ljudskim bićima,
da se radi o ljudskim bićima,
12:44
about their lives
and their struggle to survive.
and their struggle to survive.
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o njihovim životima
i njihovoj borbi za opstanak.
i njihovoj borbi za opstanak.
12:47
BG: And allow them to talk as well.
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BĐ: I da dozvolimo i njima da govore.
12:49
Christoph, thank you for coming to TED.
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Kristofe, hvala što si došao na TED.
Matijase, hvala što si došao na TED
i podelio svoju priču.
i podelio svoju priču.
12:50
Mathias, thank you for coming to TED
and sharing your story.
and sharing your story.
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(Aplauz)
12:54
(Applause)
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ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Mathias Jud - ArtistThe work of artists Mathias Jud and Christoph Wachter questions the limits of our communication possibilities and, therefore, of our identity.
Why you should listen
Mathias Jud and Christoph Wachter combine the power of online collaboration with activism to produce their artistic vision.
In Berlin (where they live), they created an open mesh network in the government district, allowing citizens to send messages to the NSA and GCHQ, whose known listening posts are there. With their "Hotel Gelem" project, the duo commented on racism and exclusion by inviting visitors to stay in the homes of Roma families -- a culture familiar with the idea of displacement. And in Australia at the Queensland University of Technology in Brisbane, the two created an installation which allowed visitors to interract with refugees detained in the country.
"We should start making our own connections, fighting for this idea of an equal and globally interconnected world," Jud says. "This is essential to overcome our speechlessness and the separation provoked by rival political forces."
Mathias Jud | Speaker | TED.com