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Monica Byrne: A sci-fi vision of love from a 318-year-old hologram
莫妮卡•拜恩: 一个318岁的全息投影讲述的科幻爱情故事
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科幻作家莫尼卡•拜恩创造出许多丰富多彩的世界，她刻画的都是些反对种族歧视、社会不公和性别歧视的角色。在这次表演中，拜恩扮演了一个名叫皮拉尔的全息投影，她来自近未来时代，那时的人类已经向宇宙殖民，她为我们讲述了一个关于爱情和失去的故事。“在你将想象的未来与真实的未来进行对比时，总是很有意思，“她说。
Monica Byrne - Author and playwright
Novelist, writer, culture critic and playwright Monica Byrne thinks that there's an infinite number of stories to tell, and she intends to tell as many as she can. Full bio
Novelist, writer, culture critic and playwright Monica Byrne thinks that there's an infinite number of stories to tell, and she intends to tell as many as she can. Full bio
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00:17
Do I look real to you?
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我看起来真实吗？
00:20
Hope so.
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希望如此。
00:21
I have no idea if you're seeing this,
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我不确定你们能否看到我，
但我还是目视前方，
就当你们都在吧。
就当你们都在吧。
00:23
but I'm just going to look ahead
and trust that you're there.
and trust that you're there.
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00:27
I've drawn a semicircle
in the sand in front of me
in the sand in front of me
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我在脚下的沙地上画了个半圆
帮助我定位，让我不至于
看起来像浮在半空。
看起来像浮在半空。
00:30
so I don't walk past it
and look like I'm floating in midair.
and look like I'm floating in midair.
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00:38
Right now I'm standing
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此时此刻，
00:41
in the open air,
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我站在户外，
00:42
on a beach under a palm tree,
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在海滩的一颗棕榈树下，
00:45
in the exact spot
where your stage used to be.
where your stage used to be.
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正好是你们的舞台
曾经所在的位置。
曾经所在的位置。
00:50
I have 12 minutes with you.
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我有12分钟的时间与你们共度。
00:52
I set a limit.
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我设定了时限。
00:54
My wife Navid once said
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我妻子娜维徳曾经说过
00:56
that infinite possibility
is a creator's worst enemy.
is a creator's worst enemy.
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无限的可能性
是创造者最大的敌人。
是创造者最大的敌人。
01:00
For example, this dress: I'd asked
her to design something
her to design something
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举个例子，我身上这条裙子，
是我请她设计的，
是我请她设计的，
01:03
that a priest might have worn
in 23rd-century Cairo.
in 23rd-century Cairo.
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我想要的是23世纪
开罗祭司的风格。
开罗祭司的风格。
01:06
But we only had three days to make it,
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但我们只有3天时间来完成它，
01:09
and the only fabric we had
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而我们手头仅有的布料
01:11
was an old duvet cover
that another resident left behind.
that another resident left behind.
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是别人留下的
一个旧的羽绒被套。
一个旧的羽绒被套。
但她还是完成了，
而且非常漂亮。
而且非常漂亮。
01:14
But she did it, and it's perfect.
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01:19
And she looked at it and said,
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她看着裙子，说到，
01:21
"Proof of concept --
creation needs constraint."
creation needs constraint."
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“只是个雏形——创造需要限制。”
01:27
So with these 12 minutes,
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我要利用这12分钟时间，
01:31
I'm going to tell you
about my greatest discovery.
about my greatest discovery.
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与你们分享我最大的发现。
01:36
For my whole life, my obsession
has been eternal life,
has been eternal life,
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我一生都在追求永生，
01:41
as I know it is so many of yours.
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我相信你们中间
很多人也跟我一样。
很多人也跟我一样。
01:45
You may be happy to know
that your research will pay off.
that your research will pay off.
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告诉你们一个好消息，
你们的努力没有白费。
你们的努力没有白费。
01:50
I am 318 years old.
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我已经318岁了。
01:53
The average human lifespan
is now 432 years,
is now 432 years,
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目前人类的平均寿命是432岁，
01:57
and my work has been to extend
the human lifespan indefinitely.
the human lifespan indefinitely.
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我的工作是将人类寿命无限延长。
02:01
And I've never questioned that someday,
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对此我充满信心，
02:03
we'll reach a point
where we'll be content.
where we'll be content.
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我坚信有一天我们会成功。
02:08
But the opposite keeps happening:
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但矛盾一直存在：
02:10
the longer we live,
the longer we want to live,
the longer we want to live,
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我们的寿命越长，
就想活得更久，
就想活得更久，
02:13
the less we want to die.
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就越不想死去。
02:15
Who can blame us?
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这很正常，对吗？
02:18
The universe is so big.
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宇宙如此浩瀚。
02:22
There won't ever not be more to see.
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总是有值得我们探索的地方。
02:24
Just yesterday,
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就在昨天，
我读了一篇文章，
你可以在木卫二上泛舟，
你可以在木卫二上泛舟，
02:25
I was reading about how you can
take out a boat on Europa
take out a boat on Europa
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02:28
and sail from island to island
all over the planet,
all over the planet,
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从一个小岛到另一个
小岛，游遍整颗行星，
小岛，游遍整颗行星，
02:30
and some of the islands have villages
that you can stay and visit
that you can stay and visit
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有些岛上有村庄，
你可以留宿一晚，
你可以留宿一晚，
02:34
and sleep under the shadow of Jupiter.
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在木星的巨大阴影下安睡。
02:36
And then there's this other island
where there's just one songwriter
where there's just one songwriter
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有些小岛人烟稀少，
只有一位歌者，
只有一位歌者，
02:41
who sits and plays mandolin for the ocean.
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面朝大海，弹奏曼陀林。
02:43
And then there are others
where there's no one
where there's no one
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还有的小岛人迹罕至，
02:46
and there never has been,
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甚至从未有人踏足，
02:47
and so you go just for the pleasure
of touching your foot to sand
of touching your foot to sand
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你可以上去享受宁静，
在沙滩上留下足迹，
在沙滩上留下足迹，
02:51
that no foot has ever touched before.
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成为小岛的首位访客。
02:55
You could spend 400 years doing just that.
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你可以花400年的时间
来做上面这些事。
来做上面这些事。
03:03
Right now the Moon is rising
in the Northeast.
in the Northeast.
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现在，月亮从东北方向升起来了。
03:07
I can see the cities on it
with my naked eye.
with my naked eye.
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上面城市密布，
我用肉眼就能看到。
我用肉眼就能看到。
03:09
They're connected like nerve clusters:
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城市像神经网络一样相互连接：
03:12
Mariapolis on the South Pole,
and Ramachandran on the Equator.
and Ramachandran on the Equator.
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位于南极的玛丽亚城，
位于赤道的拉马钱德兰市。
位于赤道的拉马钱德兰市。
03:18
And New Tehran in the Sea of Tranquility.
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还有位于宁静海的新德黑兰市。
03:24
That's where Navid and I met.
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我和娜维徳就是在那里相遇的。
03:26
We were both artists downtown.
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我俩都是画家，住在市中心。
03:30
The day we met, we were passing
each other in Azadi Square,
each other in Azadi Square,
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那天，我俩在阿扎迪广场相遇，
03:33
and we bumped shoulders.
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不小心撞在一起。
03:34
And I turned to apologize
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我转身道歉，
03:36
and she, without saying hello
or introducing herself or anything,
or introducing herself or anything,
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而她，没有打招呼，
也没做自我介绍，
也没做自我介绍，
03:40
said, "Well, why do you think
we didn't just pass through each other?"
we didn't just pass through each other?"
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她说，“你不觉得
我们刚刚穿过了彼此吗？”
我们刚刚穿过了彼此吗？”
03:46
And first of all, I thought,
"Who the hell are you?"
"Who the hell are you?"
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当时我的第一反应是，“你谁呀？”
03:50
But second, the question annoyed me,
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但紧接着，我对她
问的问题感到很不爽，
问的问题感到很不爽，
03:52
because the answer is so simple.
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因为答案实在是太简单。
03:54
I said, "We didn't pass through each other
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我说，“我们没有穿过彼此，
03:57
because elementary particles have mass
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是因为基本粒子有质量，
03:59
and because the space
between elementary particles
between elementary particles
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而基本粒子之间的空间
04:01
is filled with the binding energy
that also has the properties of mass,
that also has the properties of mass,
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充满着结合能，
同样具有质量特征，
同样具有质量特征，
04:05
and we've known that for 800 years."
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这道理我们800年前就懂了。”
04:09
She must have been in one of those moods
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她当时肯定心情不错，
04:11
where she likes to mess with strangers.
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想逗逗我这个陌生人。
04:13
Or maybe she was just flirting with me,
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或者纯粹想跟我调调情，
因为她看着我，说，
“我一猜你就会这么说，
“我一猜你就会这么说，
04:15
because she looked at me and said,
"I thought you'd say that.
"I thought you'd say that.
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04:20
Think deeper."
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再好好想想。”
04:21
And then she took off her belt,
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然后她解下了自己的腰带，
04:23
this belt that I'm wearing now,
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就是现在系在我身上的这一条，
04:28
and she said,
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她说，
04:32
"Our universe is built
so that particles have mass.
so that particles have mass.
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“在我们的宇宙里，
粒子就是有质量的。
粒子就是有质量的。
04:38
Without that basic constraint,
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没有这一基本原则的限制，
04:40
we'd have just passed right through
each other at the speed of light
each other at the speed of light
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我们就会以光速穿过彼此
04:43
and never even known."
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而不自知。”
04:48
And that's how our romance began.
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我们的爱情就这样发生了。
04:58
Navid and I
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娜维徳和我
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never ran out of things to talk about.
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永远有聊不完的话题。
05:05
Never.
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从未停止。
05:07
It was incredible.
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这一点非常奇妙。
05:08
It was like we were both heroes
climbing up into a mountain range together
climbing up into a mountain range together
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那感觉就像我们是两位勇士，
一同去征服崇山峻岭，
一同去征服崇山峻岭，
05:12
and we kept arriving at new vistas,
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沿途不断发现新的风景，
05:15
and these new, perfect
constellations of words
constellations of words
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而我们总能找到新的、美妙的词语
05:18
would come out of us to describe them.
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来描述眼前的无敌美景。
05:20
And we'd forget them
as soon as we made them,
as soon as we made them,
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很快，我们又将这一切抛诸脑后，
05:22
and throw them over our shoulder
and go on to the next thing, on and up.
and go on to the next thing, on and up.
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轻装上阵，去征服下一个目标。
05:25
Or one time, Navid said that our talk
was like we were always making bread,
was like we were always making bread,
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或者像娜维徳形容的，
我俩的谈话就像做面包，
我俩的谈话就像做面包，
05:29
and that we were always
adding in a little more flour
adding in a little more flour
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我们总是不停地加一点面，
05:33
and a little more water,
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再加一点水，
05:34
and folding it in and turning it over
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揉进面团里，不停揉搓，
05:36
and never getting around to baking it.
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却从不把面团送进烤箱。
05:44
If my obsession was eternal life,
Navid's obsession was touch.
Navid's obsession was touch.
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如果说我对永生着迷，
那么娜维徳就对抚摸着迷。
那么娜维徳就对抚摸着迷。
05:50
She had a genius for it.
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她是个天生的抚摸者。
05:53
All of her work revolved around it.
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她所有的作品也与抚摸有关。
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My body was like a canvas for her,
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我的身体就像她的画布，
05:59
and she would draw her fingertip
down over my face so slowly
down over my face so slowly
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她的指尖总是
沿着我的脸慢慢往下，
沿着我的脸慢慢往下，
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that I couldn't feel it moving.
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速度之慢，我都感觉不到移动。
06:06
And she was obsessed with the exact moment
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让她最着迷的就是那个瞬间，
06:08
when I would stop being able to tell
the difference between her body and mine.
the difference between her body and mine.
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我分不清自己的身体
和她的身体。
和她的身体。
06:15
Or she would just lie across me
and dig her shoulder into mine
and dig her shoulder into mine
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有时她与我相拥而卧，
将肩头埋在我的肩头之下，
将肩头埋在我的肩头之下，
06:18
and say, "Pilar, why does
this feel so good?"
this feel so good?"
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问道，“皮拉尔，为什么
这感觉就这么好呢？”
这感觉就这么好呢？”
06:23
I'd say, "I don't know!"
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我会说，“我也不知道！”
06:27
And she always had a facetious answer
for her facetious question,
for her facetious question,
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对于自己恶作剧的问题，
她的回答总是那么古灵精怪，
她的回答总是那么古灵精怪，
06:33
but the answer I remember today is,
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然而今天我还能记得的答案是，
06:37
"It feels good
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“之所以感觉很好，
06:38
because the universe chose
its constraints,
its constraints,
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是因为宇宙设定了限制，
06:41
and we are its art."
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而我们是（这限制下的）艺术品。”
06:53
It's always funny what you think
the future is going to be like
the future is going to be like
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当你将想象的未来与
真实的未来进行对比时，
真实的未来进行对比时，
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versus what it turns out to be.
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总是很有意思。
07:00
In your time, scientists thought
humans could freeze themselves
humans could freeze themselves
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在你们的年代，科学家认为
可以将人类冷冻起来
可以将人类冷冻起来
07:03
and wake up in the future.
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未来再将他们唤醒。
07:05
And they did -- but then they died.
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他们这么做了——但是失败了。
07:11
In your time, scientists thought
humans could replace organs
humans could replace organs
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在你们的年代，科学家认为
可以通过更换器官
可以通过更换器官
07:14
and extend life for hundreds of years.
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将人类的寿命延长几百年。
07:18
And they did,
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他们这么做了，
07:19
but eventually, they died anyway.
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但是最终还是失败了。
07:23
In your time, Earth
is the only place people live.
is the only place people live.
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在你们的年代，地球是
唯一一个人类可以生存的地方。
唯一一个人类可以生存的地方。
07:29
In my time, Earth is the place
people come to die.
people come to die.
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而在我这个年代，
人们来地球是为了死去。
人们来地球是为了死去。
07:37
So when Navid started to show the signs,
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因此当娜维徳身上
开始出现病症时，
开始出现病症时，
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our friends assumed I would do
what everyone does,
what everyone does,
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我们的朋友觉得
我会像其他人一样，
我会像其他人一样，
07:43
which is say goodbye
and send her to Earth,
and send her to Earth,
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跟她告别然后送她来地球，
07:46
so that none of us
would have to look at her
would have to look at her
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这样一来我们就不必
眼睁睁看着她走，
眼睁睁看着她走，
07:49
or be around her
or think about her and her ...
or think about her and her ...
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不必围在她身边，
不必追忆她的人生......
不必追忆她的人生......
07:54
failure to keep living.
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不必去想她的离开。
08:00
More than anything,
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大家最不想做的，
08:02
they didn't want to be around
her actual physical body.
her actual physical body.
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就是围绕在她的肉身旁边。
08:04
They kept referring to it as "declining,"
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他们一直称之为“衰退”，
08:08
even though she herself
was fascinated by it,
was fascinated by it,
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尽管她自己对这很着迷，
08:10
the changes it was going through,
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她的身体产生的变化，
08:12
following the rules of its nature
day by day, independent of her will.
day by day, independent of her will.
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不以她的意志为转移，
一天天随着自然规律变化。
一天天随着自然规律变化。
08:20
I did send Navid to Earth.
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我确实将娜维徳送回了地球。
08:23
But I came with her.
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但我也一起去了。
08:26
I remember a friend of ours,
just before we left, said,
just before we left, said,
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我记得我俩的一个朋友，
在我们出发之前说，
在我们出发之前说，
08:30
"I just think it's arrogant,
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“我觉得这太作了，
08:33
like the rules don't apply to you,
like you think your love is that special."
like you think your love is that special."
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好像规律不适用于你们，
好像你们的爱能感天动地。”
好像你们的爱能感天动地。”
08:39
But I did.
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但我就是这么做了。
08:44
So, even here on Earth,
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因此，即使在地球上，
08:45
I kept working on how to extend life.
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我依然在研究如何延长生命。
08:49
It didn't occur to me
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我从未想过
08:50
that there could be any other response.
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还有另一条路可以走。
08:52
I kept going back to that thing
that Navid said to me
that Navid said to me
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我不停回想起那一天，娜维徳
08:55
that day in Azadi Square,
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在阿扎迪广场对我说的话，
08:56
that without that basic constraint --
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如果没有这条基本的限制——
08:59
a universe that granted mass to matter --
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宇宙赋予物体质量——
09:01
we would not exist.
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我们就不会存在。
09:05
That's one rule.
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这是规则之一。
09:06
Another rule is that all mass
is subject to entropy.
is subject to entropy.
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另一条规则是所有质量受熵支配。
09:11
And there is no way to be
in this universe without mass.
in this universe without mass.
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没有质量，就不可能
在这个宇宙存在。
在这个宇宙存在。
09:14
I know. I tried everything.
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我明白，（因为）
我尝试过所有方法。
我尝试过所有方法。
09:16
I tried creating a photon box
where the Higgs field was altered.
where the Higgs field was altered.
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我尝试建立了一个光子盒，
那里连希格斯场都发生了改变。
那里连希格斯场都发生了改变。
09:21
I tried recording all
subatomic movements in my body
subatomic movements in my body
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我尝试记录下我体内
所有的亚原子运动
所有的亚原子运动
09:25
and replaying them on closed loop.
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然后在一个闭环系统中重放。
09:27
Nothing worked.
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都没有用。
09:33
But my final innovation
was to create a coil dimension
was to create a coil dimension
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我最后的方法是用线圈做出一个形体，
09:38
with the boundaries of a body
in which time moved infinitely slower,
in which time moved infinitely slower,
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在其边界之内时间流逝变得无限慢，
09:44
but whose projection would appear
to move in normal time.
to move in normal time.
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而它在外界的投影，
时间流逝是正常的。
时间流逝是正常的。
09:49
That body would then appear
in our universe as a hologram --
in our universe as a hologram --
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这个形体在我们的宇宙中
可以以全息投影的形式存在——
可以以全息投影的形式存在——
09:55
here but not here.
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在这里，却也不在这里。
10:01
When I realized I'd done it,
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我意识到自己成功了，
10:03
I ran to her room,
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于是跑进她的房间，
10:05
so happy to tell her I'd done it,
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满心欢喜地想告诉她我成功了，
10:08
moving through space
almost normally to all eyes,
almost normally to all eyes,
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我移动的方式看起来很正常，
10:12
even to my own,
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连我自己都看不出异常，
10:15
and went to lie down next to her,
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我跑到她身边躺下，
10:19
and forgot, and fell right through her.
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我忘了（自己没有实体），
直接穿过了她的身体。
直接穿过了她的身体。
10:28
I'd found a way to eternal life,
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我找到了永生的方法，
10:32
at the expense of the one thing
Navid loved most,
Navid loved most,
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代价却是娜维徳最看重的一件事，
10:34
which was to touch and be touched.
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抚摸和被抚摸。
10:41
And she threw me out.
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她把我赶了出去。
10:48
I still got to watch, though.
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但我仍然能看见她。
10:51
Humans live 400 years now,
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人类已经可以活400年，
10:53
and we still die.
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但我们仍然会死。
10:54
And when death comes,
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当死亡来临时，
10:58
the dying still pick at their bedsheets,
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死者（可能）还在挑剔自己的床单，
11:04
and their arms break out
in blue and violet blooms on the insides,
in blue and violet blooms on the insides,
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他们的手臂会突然由内而外
变得青一块紫一块，
变得青一块紫一块，
11:08
and their breaths get further
and further apart,
and further apart,
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呼吸会越来越微弱，
11:11
like they're falling asleep.
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如同渐渐睡去。
11:21
I've always thought that
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我一直认为，
11:23
what gives a life meaning is adventure.
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生命的意义在于探险。
11:27
And death is just a problem
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而死亡仅仅是一道难题，
11:29
we haven't discovered the solution to yet.
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我们暂时还没有找到答案。
11:36
But maybe a life has meaning
only because it ends.
only because it ends.
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但也许生命之所以有意义
就因为它有终点。
就因为它有终点。
11:40
Maybe that's the paradox:
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也许这是一个悖论：
11:41
constraints don't constrain,
they allow perfect freedom.
they allow perfect freedom.
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限制本身并没有限制任何东西，
它允许完全的自由。
它允许完全的自由。
11:51
(Sighs)
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（叹息）
11:57
There was a thunderstorm
here this morning.
here this morning.
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今天早上这里有雷暴。
12:00
There is another forecast for tonight,
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天气预报今晚还有，
12:01
but for now the sky is clear.
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但现在天空是晴朗的。
12:04
I can't feel the wind here,
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我感觉不到风，
12:06
but I just asked one of the caretakers
who passed by what it felt like,
who passed by what it felt like,
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但我刚刚问了一个
路过的守护者，感觉如何，
路过的守护者，感觉如何，
12:09
and she said it felt warm,
like melted butter.
like melted butter.
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她说感觉很温暖，
像融化的黄油。
像融化的黄油。
12:15
An answer worthy of my wife.
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我妻子就喜欢这样的答案。
12:22
I have to find my way back to the flesh.
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我必须找到回到自己肉身的方法。
12:28
Until then, I take up no space
but the space you give me.
but the space you give me.
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在那之前，我只会占用
你们给我的这些空间。
你们给我的这些空间。
ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Monica Byrne - Author and playwrightNovelist, writer, culture critic and playwright Monica Byrne thinks that there's an infinite number of stories to tell, and she intends to tell as many as she can.
Why you should listen
Novelist, writer, culture critic and playwright Monica Byrne deftly avoids the traps of conventional fiction by inventing mold-breaking characters who express themselves in surprising ways. Her first novel, The Girl in the Road, has garnered acclaim both inside and outside the spheres of science fiction.
In addition to her work on her new novel The Actual Star, Byrne is a resident playwright at Little Green Pig Theatrical Concern in Durham, NC. Her story "Blue Nowruz" was commissioned for TED2015 by Neil Gaiman. She holds degrees in biochemistry from MIT and Wellesley.
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