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Evelyn Glennie: How to truly listen
Evelyn Glennie entzuten irakasten digu
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Hitzaldi harrigarri baten bidez, Evelyn Glennie perkusiojole gorrak erakusten digu musika entzuteak gure tinpanoak kolpekatzea baino askoz gehiago dakarrela.
Evelyn Glennie - Musician
Percussionist and composer Dame Evelyn Glennie lost nearly all of her hearing by age 12. Rather than isolating her, it has given her a unique connection to her music. Full bio
Percussionist and composer Dame Evelyn Glennie lost nearly all of her hearing by age 12. Rather than isolating her, it has given her a unique connection to her music. Full bio
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I'm not quite sure whether I really want to see
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Ez nago oso ziur danbor bat
00:29
a snare drum at nine o'clock or so in the morning.
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ikusi nahi izateaz goikeko 9etan. (barreak)
00:33
But anyway, it's just great to see such a full theater,
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Hala ere, harrigarria da aretoa hain betea ikustea
00:37
and really I must thank Herbie Hancock
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eta benetan eskertu behar ditut Herbie Hancock
00:39
and his colleagues for such a great presentation. (Applause)
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eta bere lagunak aurkezpen honengatik.
00:43
One of the interesting things,
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Gauzarik interesgarrienetako bat,
00:47
of course, is the combination of that raw hand on the instrument
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jakina, instrumentuan duen esku zuzen hori,
00:53
and technology, and of course what he said about listening to our young people.
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teknologia eta, noski, gazteei entzuteaz esan zuenaren nahasketa da.
01:00
Of course, my job is all about listening,
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Nire lana entzutean datza, noski,
01:05
and my aim, really, is to teach the world to listen.
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eta nire helburua, izatez, jendeari entzuten irakastea da.
01:11
That's my only real aim in life.
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Hori da nire egiazko helburu bakarra bizitzan.
01:15
And it sounds quite simple, but actually it's quite a big, big job.
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Eta oso erraza dirudi, baina benetan lan oso oso handia da.
01:21
Because you know, when you look at a piece of music -- for example,
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Zuek badakizuelako, musika pieza bat begiratzen denean -adibidez,
01:27
if I just open my little motorbike bag -- we have here, hopefully,
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nire poltxatxoa irekitzen badut- hemen dugu, espero dut,
01:35
a piece of music that is full of little black dots on the page.
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musika zati bat, orria puntutxo beltzez betetzen duena.
01:41
And, you know, we open it up and I read the music.
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Badakizue, irekitzen dut eta musika irakurtzen dut.
01:49
So technically, I can actually read this.
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Beraz, teknikoki hau irakur dezaket.
01:54
I will follow the instructions, the tempo markings, the dynamics.
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Argibideak segituko ditut: denbora argibideak, dinamikak.
01:58
I will do exactly as I'm told.
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Zehatz-mehatz egingo dut esten didana.
02:03
And so therefore, because time is short,
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Eta honela, motza denez,
02:06
if I just play you literally the first maybe two lines or so. It's very straightforward.
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lehenengo bi lerroak joko ditut gutxi gora behera. Oso erraza da.
02:15
There's nothing too difficult about the piece.
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Ez dago gauza zailegirik.
02:16
But here I'm being told that the piece of music is very quick.
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Baina esaten dit oso azkarra dela.
02:20
I'm being told where to play on the drum.
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Danborraren zein tokitan jo behar dudan esaten dit.
02:24
I'm being told which part of the stick to use.
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Makilaren zein parterekin jo behar dudan esaten dit.
02:29
And I'm being told the dynamic.
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Dinamika esaten dit
02:31
And I'm also being told that the drum is without snares.
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Eta esaten dit danborrak ez duela bordoirik.
02:36
Snares on, snares off.
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Bordoia jarrita, bordoia kenduta.
02:39
So therefore, if I translate this piece of music, we have this idea. (Music)
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Beraz, musika zati hau itzultzen badut ideia hau izango dugu.
03:18
And so on. My career would probably last about five years.
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Eta horrela. Nire karrerak 5 urte iraungo zituen. (barreak)
03:24
However, what I have to do as a musician is do everything that is not on the music.
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Hala ere, musikari bezala egin behar dudana partituran agertzen ez dena egitea da.
03:32
Everything that there isn't time to learn from a teacher,
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Irakasle batengandik ikasteko aukera ez dagoen guzti hori,
03:38
or to talk about, even, from a teacher.
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edo irakaslearekin komentatu gabe geratzen diren aspektu horiek..
03:41
But it's the things that you notice when you're not actually with your instrument
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Baina gauza horiek dira, hain zuzen, instrumentuarekin ez zaudenean nabaritzen direnak,
03:46
that in fact become so interesting, and that you want to explore
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hain interesgarriak bihurtzen direnak aztertu nahi ditugula
03:51
through this tiny, tiny surface of a drum.
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danborraren gainazal txiki horretatik.
03:55
So there, we experience the translation. Now we'll experience the interpretation. (Music) (Applause)
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Ongi da: itzulpena ikusi dugu. Orain ikus dezagun interpretazioa.
04:50
Now my career may last a little longer!
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Orain nire karrerak zertxobait gehiago iraungo du! (barreak)
04:58
But in a way, you know, it's the same if I look at you and I see
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Baina modu batera berdina da begiratu eta
05:03
a nice bright young lady with a pink top on.
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gazte bat ikusten badut blusa arrosarekin.
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I see that you're clutching a teddy bear, etc., etc.
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Panpinazko hartz bat duela eskutartean, etab, etab.
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So I get a basic idea as to what you might be about, what you might like,
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Horrela, nolakoa den, ideia bat jasotzen dut, zer gauza gustatu zaizkiokeen,
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what you might do as a profession, etc., etc.
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zein den bere lanbidea igarri, etab, etab.
05:20
However, that's just, you know, the initial idea I may have that we all get
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Hala ere, ideia hau hasierako ideia bat baino ez da, denok duguna
05:26
when we actually look, and we try to interpret,
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begiratzen dugunean. Eta interpretatzen ahalegintzen gara,
05:29
but actually it's so unbelievably shallow.
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baina hain azalekoa da...
05:31
In the same way, I look at the music; I get a basic idea;
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Era berean, partitura begiratzen dut, oinarrizko ideia bat dut,
05:34
I wonder what technically might be hard, or, you know, what I want to do.
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neure buruari galdetzen diot zer izan daitekeen teknikoki zaila, edo zer da egin nahi dudan lehenengo gauza.
05:39
Just the basic feeling.
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Oinarrizko sentsazioa bakarrik.
05:41
However, that is simply not enough.
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Hala ere, hau bakarrik ez da nahikoa.
05:43
And I think what Herbie said -- please listen, listen.
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Eta Herbiek esan zuena gogora dakart - mezedez, entzun ezazue, entzun ezazue.
05:47
We have to listen to ourselves, first of all.
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Entzun egin behar dugu, geure buruari lehenengo.
05:51
If I play, for example, holding the stick -- where literally I do not let go of the stick --
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Adibidez, makila heltzen jotzen badut - makila literalki soltatu gabe -
06:01
you'll experience quite a lot of shock coming up through the arm.
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dardara asko sentituko ditut besotik gora.
06:05
And you feel really quite -- believe it or not --
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Eta sentitzen nahiz - sinistu ala ez-,
06:07
detached from the instrument and from the stick,
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oso harrituta, instrumentuarengan eta makilarengan,
06:10
even though I'm actually holding the stick quite tightly.
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oso sendoki heltzen ari naizen arren.
06:16
By holding it tightly, I feel strangely more detached.
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Gogor heltzen, instrumentutik urrunago sentitzen nahiz era arraroan.
06:20
If I just simply let go and allow my hand, my arm, to be more of a support system,
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Baina nire eskua eta besoa askatzen baditut eta usten badiet euskarri sistema bat izaten,
06:27
suddenly I have more dynamic with less effort. Much more.
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bapatean dinamika gehiago daukat esfortzu txikiagorekin. Askoz gehiago.
06:36
And I just feel, at last, one with the stick and one with the drum.
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Eta azkenean sentitzen dut batera nabilela makilarekin eta danborrarekin.
06:41
And I'm doing far, far less.
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Eta azkoz gutxiago egiten ari nahiz.
06:43
So in the same way that I need time with this instrument,
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Beraz, instrumentu honekin denbora behar dudan moduan,
06:46
I need time with people in order to interpret them.
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denbora behar dut pertsonak interptretatzeko.
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Not just translate them, but interpret them.
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Ez itzultzea bakarrik, baita interptretatzea ere.
06:54
If, for example, I play just a few bars of a piece of music
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Adibidez, musika zati baten konpas batzuk jotzen baditut
07:02
for which I think of myself as a technician --
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neure burua tekniko bezala hartzen dut soilik,
07:07
that is, someone who is basically a percussion player ... (Music)
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hau da, perkusioa jotzen duen norbait...
07:24
And so on. If I think of myself as a musician ... (Music)
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eta honela. Musikaritzat hartzen badut neure burua...
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And so on. There is a little bit of a difference there that is worth just -- (Applause)
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eta honela. Diferetzia xume bat badago (barreak)
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-- thinking about.
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pentsatzea merezi duena. (txaloak)
07:59
And I remember when I was 12 years old,
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Eta gogoratzen dut, 12 urte nintuenean
08:02
and I started playing tympani and percussion, and my teacher said,
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eta tinbalak eta perkusioa jotzen hasi nintzen, eta nire irakasleak esan zuen:
08:08
"Well, how are we going to do this? You know, music is about listening."
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"Beno, nola egingo dugu hau? Badakizu, musika, entzutean datza."
08:14
And I said, "Yes, I agree with that. So what's the problem?"
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"Bai, ados nago. Beraz, non dago arazoa?
08:18
And he said, "Well, how are you going to hear this? How are you going to hear that?"
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Eta berak esan zidan: "Beno, nola etzungo duzu hau? Nola entzungo duzu beste hori?"
08:23
And I said, "Well, how do you hear it?"
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Eta nik esan nuen: "Nola entzuten duzu zuk?"
08:25
He said, "Well, I think I hear it through here."
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Berak esan zuen: "Uste dut hemendik entzuten dudala."
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And I said, "Well, I think I do too -- but I also hear it through my hands,
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Eta nik esan nuen: "Beno, baita nik ere, uste dut. Baina horretaz aparte nire eskuekin entzuten dut,
08:34
through my arms, cheekbones, my scalp, my tummy, my chest, my legs and so on."
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nire besoekin, masailekin, ilearekin, nire triparekin, nire bularraldearekin, hankekin, etab."
08:41
And so we began our lessons every single time tuning drums --
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Klase bakoitza danborrak afinatzen hasten genuen
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in particular, the kettle drums, or tympani --
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-bereziki tinbalak-
08:50
to such a narrow pitch interval, so something like ...
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interbalo txiki baten, honen antzerako...
08:59
that of a difference. Then gradually ... and gradually ...
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diferentzia txikiekin. Gero gradualki... eta gradualki...
09:06
and it's amazing that when you do open your body up,
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eta harrigarria da zeure gorputza irekitzen duzunean
09:11
and open your hand up to allow the vibration to come through,
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eta zeure eskuak dardarak sentitzeko,
09:15
that in fact the tiny, tiny difference ...
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izatez, diferentzia txiki hori...
09:19
can be felt with just the tiniest part of your finger, there.
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zeure hatzaren parterik txikienarekin sentitu daiteke, hortxe.
09:25
And so what we would do is that I would put my hands on the wall
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Beraz nik nire eskuak musika aretoaren paretaren kontra
09:29
of the music room, and together we would "listen" to the sounds of the instruments,
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jartzen nituen, eta elkarrekin "entzun egiten genituen" instrumentuen soinuak,
09:36
and really try to connect with those sounds
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eta benetan soinuetan arreta jartzen saiatzen ginen
09:39
far, far more broadly than simply depending on the ear.
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belarriaz bakarrik baliatuko bagina baino era askoz zabalagoan.
09:44
Because of course, the ear is, I mean, subject to all sorts of things.
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Belarria gauza askorekin alda daiteke, noski.
09:48
The room we happen to be in, the amplification, the quality of the instrument,
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Aretoa, anplifikazioa, instrumentuaren kalitatea,
09:53
the type of sticks ... etc., etc.
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makil mota, etab. etab.
10:03
They're all different.
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Denak ezberdinak dira.
10:11
Same amount of weight, but different sound colors.
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Pisu berdina baina soinu mota ezberdina.
10:16
And that's basically what we are. We're just human beings,
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Eta hori da funtsean garena. Gizakiak gara,
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but we all have our own little sound colors, as it were,
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baina denok daukagu geure "soinu kolorea", horrela esateagatik,
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that make up these extraordinary personalities
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izakera harrigarri hauek egiten dituena,
10:24
and characters and interests and things.
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izakerak, zaletazunak, etab.
10:27
And as I grew older, I then auditioned for the Royal Academy of Music in London,
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Hazi nintzenean, Londoneko Royal Academy of Music-en zartzeko audizioak egin nituen
10:33
and they said, "Well, no, we won't accept you, because we haven't a clue,
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eta zera ezan zidaten: "Beno, ez, ez zaitugu onartzen ez dugulako ideiarik
10:37
you know, of the future of a so-called 'deaf' musician."
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musikari 'gor' baten etorkizuna zein izan daitekeen."
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And I just couldn't quite accept that.
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Eta nik ezin nuen hori onartu.
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And so therefore, I said to them, "Well, look, if you refuse --
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Beraz esan nien: "Beno, ikusi, ezetz esaten badidazue,
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if you refuse me through those reasons,
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arrazoi horiengatik ez banauzue onartzen,
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as opposed to the ability to perform and to understand and love
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--soinuen artea interpretatu, ulertu eta maitatzeko gaitasunari
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the art of creating sound --
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kontra eginez--
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then we have to think very, very hard about the people you do actually accept."
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orduan, nor onartzen duzuen oso oso sakonki aztertu beharko dugu."
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And as a result -- once we got over a little hurdle, and having to audition twice --
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Eta ondorioz, -behin arazo hau gainditu nuenean eta bigarren audizioa izan ondoren--
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they accepted me. And not only that --
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onartu egin ninduten. Eta ez hori bakarrik:
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what had happened was that it changed the whole role
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gertatu zenak guztiz aldatu zuen Erresuma Batuko
11:28
of the music institutions throughout the United Kingdom.
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musika instituzioen rola.
11:32
Under no circumstances were they to refuse any application whatsoever on the basis of
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Inoiz ez zuten sarrera eskari bat gaitzetsiko norbaitek besorik
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whether someone had no arms, no legs --
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edo hankarik ez zuelako.
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they could still perhaps play a wind instrument if it was supported on a stand.
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Agian, haizezko musika trensna bat jo ahal izateko euskarri batetan jarri beharko zen instrumentu.
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No circumstances at all were used to refuse any entry.
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Zirkunstatzia bat ere ezingo da erabili sarrera eskari bat errefusatzeko.
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And every single entry had to be listened to, experienced and then
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Eta eskari bakoitza entzun eta frogatu beharko da, eta gero,
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based on the musical ability -- then that person could either enter or not.
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musika gaitasuneri begira, pertsona onartu edo ez.
12:07
So therefore, this in turn meant that there was an extremely interesting
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Honek, ikasle talde interesgarri bat
12:13
bunch of students who arrived in these various music institutions.
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musika instituzio hauetara ailegatzea egin zuen.
12:17
And I have to say, many of them now
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Eta esan behara dago horietako asko, gaur egun,
12:20
in the professional orchestras throughout the world.
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munduko orkestra profesionaletan ari direla jotzen.
12:24
The interesting thing about this as well, though --
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Honen gauza interesgarria da, nahiz eta...-
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(Applause) --
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(txaloak)-
12:31
is quite simply that not only were people connected with sound --
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jende hau ez dagoela soilik soinuari lotuta,
12:37
which is basically all of us, and we well know that music really is our daily medicine.
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-gutako gehienok bezala- musika gure eguneroko botika da.
12:44
I say "music," but actually I mean "sound."
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Musika esaten dut baina soinuaz ari nahiz.
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Because you know, some of the extraordinary things I've experienced
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Badakizue? Musikari bezala hainbat gauza harrigarri ezagutu ditut:
12:50
as a musician, when you may have a 15-year-old lad
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15 urteko mutiko bat izan dezakezu,
12:55
who has got the most incredible challenges,
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erronka handiak gainditu behar dituena,
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who may not be able to control his movements,
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agian bere mugimenduak ezin dituena kontrolatu,
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who may be deaf, who may be blind, etc., etc. --
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agian gorra dena edo itsua dena, etab., etab.
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suddenly, if that young lad sits close to this instrument,
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Bat batean, gazte hori instrumentutik gertu eseritzen bada,
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and perhaps even lies underneath the marimba,
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eta marinba baten azpian etzaten bada ere,
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and you play something that's so incredibly organ-like, almost --
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eta organoaren oso antzerako zerbait jotzen badiozu,
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I don't really have the right sticks, perhaps --
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-ez dut makil egokirik-
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but something like this. Let me change. (Music)
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baina honelako zerbait. Utz ezadazue aldatzen.
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Something that's so unbelievably simple --
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Oso sinplea den zerbait...
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but he would be experiencing something that I wouldn't be,
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baina berak nik sentituko ez nuen zerbait sentituko luke
14:25
because I'm on top of the sound.
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ni soinuaren gainean nagoelako.
14:27
I have the sound coming this way.
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Niri soinua alde honetatik ailegatzen zait.
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He would have the sound coming through the resonators.
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Berari erresonatzaileen bitartez ailegatuko litzaioke.
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If there were no resonators on here, we would have ... (Music)
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Erresonatzailerik ez balego hemen hau izango genuke...
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So he would have a fullness of sound that those of you in the front few rows
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beraz hemen dagoen soinua, lehenengo iladetan zaudetenak ezin izango zenuten modu batera
14:47
wouldn't experience, those of you in the back few rows wouldn't experience either.
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sentituko luke. Atzean zaudetenak ere ezingo zenuten sentitu.
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Every single one of us, depending on where we're sitting,
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Gutako bakoitzak, eserita dagoen lekuaren arabera,
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will experience this sound quite, quite differently.
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soinu hau era desberdinean sentitzen du.
14:58
And of course, being the participator of the sound,
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Eta, noski, soinu honen parte hartzaile izanda,
15:01
and that is starting from the idea of what type of sound I want to produce --
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eta hau zein soinu mota egin nahi dudan jakinda abiatuta-
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for example, this sound.
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adibidez, soinu hau.
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Can you hear anything?
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Zerbait entzun dezakezue?
15:19
Exactly. Because I'm not even touching it.
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Horixe da, ez nagoelako ukitzen ere.
15:22
But yet, we get the sensation of something happening.
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Baina, hala ere, zerbait gertatzen ari dela antzeman dezakegu.
15:28
In the same way that when I see tree moves,
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Zuhaitzak mugitzen ikusten ditudanean bezala
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then I imagine that tree making a rustling sound.
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eta imajinatzen dut zuhaitza soinu xuxurlaria egiten.
15:34
Do you see what I mean?
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Ikusten zer esan nahi dudan?
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Whatever the eye sees, then there's always sound happening.
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Ikus dezakegun edozein gauzari lotuta beti dago soinu bat.
15:40
So there's always, always that huge --
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Beraz beti dago kaleidoskopio
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I mean, just this kaleidoscope of things to draw from.
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handi bat nondik gauzak atera ditzazkegun.
15:49
So all of my performances are based on entirely what I experience,
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Honela nire ekitaldi guztiak nik sentitzen dudanean oinarrituta daude guztiz,
15:55
and not by learning a piece of music, putting on someone else's interpretation of it,
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eta ez musika zati bat ikastean bakarrik, edo beste edozeinen interptretazioa erreproduzitzean,
15:59
buying all the CDs possible of that particular piece of music, and so on and so forth.
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edo musika zati hori azaltzen den CD guztaik analizatuz soinuen bila.
16:04
Because that isn't giving me enough of something that is so raw and so basic,
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Horrek ez zidalako emango hain oinarrizko materiala
16:10
and something that I can fully experience the journey of.
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nik ibilbide guztia sentitu ahal izateko.
16:16
So it may be that, in certain halls, this dynamic may well work. (Music)
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Beraz, izan daiteke areto batzuetan dinamika hau erabili ahal daitekela.
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It may be that in other halls, they're simply not going to experience that
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Izan liteke beste aretotan ezinezkoa izatea hau sentitzea
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at all and so therefore, my level of soft,
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eta orduan nire leuntasun maila
16:41
gentle playing may have to be ... (Music)
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jotzerako orduan izan beharko luke...
17:08
Do you see what I mean? So, because of this explosion in access to sound,
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Ikusten zer esan nahi dudan? Beraz, soinuaren sarbide eztanda honetan,
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especially through the deaf community,
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bereziki pertsona gorren artean,
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this has not only affected how music institutions,
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honek ez du musika instituzioak eta gorrentzako musika eskolak soinua tratatzeko
17:22
how schools for the deaf treat sound -- and not just as a means of therapy --
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duten era aldatu bakarrik. Eta ez bakarrik terapia bezala, baina
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although of course, being a participator of music,
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noski, musika partaide bat izanez gero
17:31
that definitely is the case as well.
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kasu berdina da.
17:34
But it's meant that acousticians have had to really think about the types of halls
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Akustika teknikariak muntatzen duten areto motetan pentsatu behar izatea ere eragin du.
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they put together. There are so few halls in this world
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Esango nuke munduan oso areto gutxi daudela
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that actually have very good acoustics,
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benetan soinu ona dutenak.
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dare I say. But by that I mean where you can absolutely do anything you imagine.
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Edozer gauza egin daitekeen aretotaz ari naiz.
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The tiniest, softest, softest sound to something that is so broad,
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Soinu txiki, leun batetik hain zabala, hain handia, hain harrigarria den zerbaiteraino.
18:01
so huge, so incredible! There's always something --
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Beti dago zerbait-
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it may sound good up there, may not be so good there.
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ondo entzun daiteke hemen, txarragoa izan daiteke hor.
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May be great there, but terrible up there.
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Oso ona izan daiteke hemen, baina oso txarra han.
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Maybe terrible over there, but not too bad there, etc., etc.
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Agian oso txara han, baina ez oso txarra hor, etab, etab.
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So to find an actual hall is incredible
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Beraz areto bat aurkitzea ia ezinezkoa da,
18:19
-- for which you can play exactly what you imagine,
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nun imaginatzen duzuna jo dezakezun, zehatz-mehatz,
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without it being cosmetically enhanced.
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"estetikoki hobetua" izan gabe.
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And so therefore, acousticians are actually in conversation with people who are
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Beraz, akustika teknikariak entzumen arazoak dituzten pertsonekin eta soinuaren
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hearing impaired, and who are participators of sound.
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partaideak direnekin eztabaidan daude.
18:39
And this is quite interesting.
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Eta hori oso interesgarria da.
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I cannot, you know, give you any detail as far as what is actually happening
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Ezin dizuet zehazpenik eman areto hauekin gertatzen ari denaz,
18:47
with those halls, but it's just the fact that they are going to a group of people
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baina pertsona talde horri kontsultan ari dira,
18:53
for whom so many years we've been saying,
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hainbeste urtetan haietaz honelako gauzak esan eta gero:
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"Well, how on Earth can they experience music? You know, they're deaf."
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"Beno, nola sentitu dezakete musika? Gorrak dira."
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We just -- we go like that, and we imagine that that's what deafness is about.
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Guk hau bakarrik egiten dugu eta imajinatzen dugu gorra izatea hau dela.
19:04
Or we go like that, and we imagine that's what blindness is about.
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Edo honela egiten dugu eta imajinatzen dugu itsua izatea hau dela.
19:06
If we see someone in a wheelchair, we assume they cannot walk.
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Norbait gurpil aulki batean ikusten badugu, suposatzen dugu ezin duela oinez egin.
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It may be that they can walk three, four, five steps. That, to them, means they can walk.
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Izan liteke hiru, lau edo bost pausu eman ditzakeela. Hau, haientzat, ibiltzea izan arren.
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In a year's time, it could be two extra steps.
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Urte bateko epean, bi pausu gehiago izan daitezke.
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In another year's time, three extra steps.
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Beste urte batean, hiru gehiago.
19:25
Those are hugely important aspects to think about.
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Gauza hauek oso garrantzitsuak dira erreflexiorako.
19:30
So when we do listen to each other,
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Beraz elkar entzutean,
19:34
it's unbelievably important for us to really test our listening skills,
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oso garrantzitsua da guretzat entzute ahalmenak frogan jartzea.
19:42
to really use our bodies as a resonating chamber, to stop the judgment.
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Geure gorputzak erresonantzia kaxa bat bezala erabiltzea. Epaiketa geldiaraztea.
19:47
For me, as a musician who deals with 99 percent of new music,
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Niretzat, musika berriekin etengabe nabilen musikari bezala,
19:51
it's very easy for me to say, "Oh yes, I like that piece.
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oso erraza da esatea: "Bai, gustoko dut hori."
19:54
Oh no, I don't like that piece." And so on.
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"Ez, hori ez dut gustoko." Eta honela.
19:56
And you know, I just find that I have to give those pieces of music real time.
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Eta konturatu nintzen musika-lan bakoitzari denbora eman behar niela.
20:02
It may be that the chemistry isn't quite right between myself and that particular piece of music,
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Agian musika-lan horren eta nire artean ez dago kimika ona.
20:07
but that doesn't mean I have the right to say it's a bad piece of music.
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Baina honek ez du esan nahi musika-lan txar bat dela erabakitzeko gaitasuna dudanik.
20:12
And you know, it's just one of the great things about being a musician,
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Eta, badakizue? Musikari izatearen gauzarik handienetako bat
20:17
is that it is so unbelievably fluid.
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oso oparoa dela da.
20:21
So there are no rules, no right, no wrong, this way, that way.
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Beraz ez dago araurik, ez dago zuzenik, ez dago okerrik, ez dago modu honetara edo beste modu horretara.
20:25
If I asked you to clap -- maybe I can do this.
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Txalo egiteko eskatuko banizue- agian hau egin dezaket.
20:30
If I can just say, "Please clap and create the sound of thunder."
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Esaten badizuet: "mezedez, txalo egin trumoi baten soinua egiteko."
20:36
I'm assuming we've all experienced thunder.
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Denok trumoia esperimentatu dugula suposatzen dut.
20:39
Now, I don't mean just the sound;
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Ez nahiz soinuaz bakarrik ari,
20:41
I mean really listen to that thunder within yourselves.
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trumoi hori zuen barruan entzutea nahi dut.
20:46
And please try to create that through your clapping. Try. Just -- please try.
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Eta, mezedez, saia zaitezte hori zuen txaloen bidez sortzen. Saiatu. Saiatu bakarrik, mezedez.
20:51
(Applause)
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(txaloak)
20:58
Very good! Snow. Snow. Have you ever heard snow?
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Oso ongi! Elurra. Elura. Noizbehin entzun duzue elurra?
21:08
Audience: No.
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Ikusleak: Ez.
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Evelyn Glennie: Well then, stop clapping. (Laughter) Try again.
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Evelyn Glennie: Orduan utzi txalo egiteari. (barreak) Berriro saiatu.
21:15
Try again. Snow.
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Berriro saiatu. Elurra.
21:21
See, you're awake.
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Ikusten duzue, esna zaudete.
21:23
Rain. Not bad. Not bad.
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Euria. Ez dago gaizki, ez dago gaizki.
21:32
You know, the interesting thing here, though, is that I asked a group of kids
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Honetan interesgarria da orain dela gutxi ume talde bateri
21:36
not so long ago exactly the same question.
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hau eskatu niela.
21:40
Now -- great imagination, thank you very much.
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Orain- imaginazio handia, eskerrikasko.
21:44
However, not one of you got out of your seats to think,
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Hala ere, zuetako inor ez da eserlekutik jaiki pentsatzeko:
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"Right! How can I clap? OK, maybe ... (Claps)
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"Ongi da! Nola egin dezaket txalo? Ondo, agian...
21:52
Maybe I can use my jewelry to create extra sounds.
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agian neure bitxiak erabil ditzaket soinu gehiago sortzeko.
21:55
Maybe I can use the other parts of my body to create extra sounds."
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Agian nire gorputzeko beste atal batzuk erabil ditzaket soinu gehiago egiteko."
21:59
Not a single one of you thought about clapping in a slightly different way
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Zuetako inork ez du era ezberdinean txalokatzen pentsatu
22:04
other than sitting in your seats there and using two hands.
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zuen eserlekuetan eta bi eskuak erabiltzen ez dena.
22:08
In the same way that when we listen to music,
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Musika entzuten dugun era berean,
22:10
we assume that it's all being fed through here.
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suposatzen dugu dena hemen dagoela.
22:14
This is how we experience music. Of course it's not.
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Honela bizitzen dugu musika. Noski ez dela.
22:18
We experience thunder -- thunder, thunder. Think, think, think.
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Trumoia, trumoia, trumoia bizitzen dugu. Pentsatu, pentsatu, pentsatu.
22:22
Listen, listen, listen. Now -- what can we do with thunder?
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Entzun, entzun, entzun. Orain, zer egin dezakegu trumoiekin?
22:29
I remember my teacher. When I first started, my very first lesson,
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Nire maisua gogoratzen dut. Hasi nintzenean, nire lehenengo klasean
22:34
I was all prepared with sticks, ready to go.
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nik nire makilekin nengoen, hasteko prest.
22:38
And instead of him saying, "OK, Evelyn, please, feet slightly apart,
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Eta ez zidan esan: "Ondo, Evelyn, mezedez. Oinak pixka bat aldenduta,
22:43
arms at a more-or-less 90 degree angle, sticks in a more-or-less V shape,
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besoak 90 graduko angeluan gutxi gora behera, makilak "V" forman gutxi gorabehera,
22:49
keep this amount of space here, etc.
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mantendu leku hori hemen, etab.
22:52
Please keep your back straight, etc., etc., etc." --
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Mezedez, mantendu bizkarra zuzen, etab etab etab."
22:54
where I was probably just going to end up absolutely rigid, frozen,
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Nik, seguruenik, zurrun eta izoztuta bukatuko nukeen
22:58
and I would not be able to strike the drum,
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eta ez nintzatekeen izango danborra kolpekatzeko gai,
23:00
because I was thinking of so many other things -- he said,
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beste gauza askotan pentsatzen egon izango nintzatekeelako. Baina berak esan zidan:
23:02
"Evelyn, take this drum away for seven days, and I'll see you next week."
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"Evelyn, eraman ezazu danbor hau zazpi egunetarako eta datorren astean ikusiko dugu elkar."
23:07
So, heavens! What was I to do? I no longer required the sticks;
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Zer egin behar nuen? Ez nituen makilak behar,
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I wasn't allowed to have these sticks.
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ezin nuen makilik izan.
23:14
I had to basically look at this particular drum,
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Funtsean danbor hau begiratu behar nuen,
23:18
see how it was made, what these little lugs did, what the snares did.
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nola egina zegoen, zer egiten zuten mihi txiki horiek, zer egiten zuten bordoiak aztertu.
23:23
Turned it upside down, experimented with the shell, experimented with the head.
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Buelta ematea, kaskoarekin experimentatu, larruarekin esperimentatu.
23:30
Experimented with my body, experimented with jewelry,
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Nire gorputzarekin esperimentatzen, bitxiekin esperimentatzen,
23:36
experimented with all sorts of things.
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edozein gauzarekin esperimentatzen.
23:48
And of course, I returned with all sorts of bruises and things like that --
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Eta, noski, ubeldurez eta antzerako gauzez betea bueltatu nintzen (barreak)
23:51
but nevertheless, it was such an unbelievable experience,
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baina, hala ere, esperientzia harriagarria izan zen.
23:56
because then, where on Earth are you going to experience that in a piece of music?
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Izan ere, nola esperimentatuko dugu hori musika-lan baten bidez?
24:01
Where on Earth are you going to experience that in a study book?
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Nola esperimentatuko dugu hori ikasketa liburu batean?
24:05
So we never, ever dealt with actual study books.
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Beraz ez ditugu inoiz ikasketa liburu errealik erabiltzen.
24:08
So for example, one of the things that we learn
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Honela, adibidez, ikasten dugun gauzetako bat
24:11
when we are dealing with being a percussion player, as opposed to a musician,
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perkusio exekutatzaile bat izatearekin ari garenean, musikari izatearekin ez bezala,
24:17
is basically straightforward single stroke rolls.
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kolpe zehatz eta sinpleen segida bat da.
24:24
Like that. And then we get a little faster and a little faster and a little faster.
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Hori bezalaxe. Eta gero pixka bat azkarrago egiten dugu, eta pixka bat azkarrago, eta pixka bat azkarrago.
24:31
And so on and so forth. What does this piece require?
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Eta honela. Zer da musika-lan honek behar duena?
24:34
Single stroke rolls. So why can't I then do that whilst learning a piece of music?
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Golpe sinpleko erredoblea. Beraz, zergatik ezin dut musika-lan baten ikasketan zehar egin?
24:42
And that's exactly what he did.
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Eta hori da berak egin zuena.
24:45
And interestingly, the older I became, and when I became a full-time student
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Eta hazi nintzenean, "musika instituzio" deitzen zaionean denbora osos ikasten
24:50
at a so called "music institution," all of that went out of the window.
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hazi nintzenean, hau guztia alboratua izan zen.
24:56
We had to study from study books.
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Ikasketa liburuetatik ikasi behar genuen.
24:58
And constantly, the question, "Well, why? Why? What is this relating to?
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Eta askotan, galdera, beno, zergatik? Zergatik? Zerekin dago erlazionatuta hau?
25:02
I need to play a piece of music." "Oh, well, this will help your control!"
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Musika-lan bat jo behar dut. "Beno, hau zure kontrola hobetuko du"
25:06
"Well, how? Why do I need to learn that? I need to relate it to a piece of music.
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Baina, nola? Zergatik ikasi behar dut hau? Musika-lan batekin erlazionatu behar dut.
25:11
You know. I need to say something.
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Badakizue? Zerbain esan behar dut.
25:14
"Why am I practicing paradiddles?
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Zergatik ari nahiz paradiddleak praktikatzen?
25:20
Is it just literally for control, for hand-stick control? Why am I doing that?
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Makilaren eta eskuaren kontrolerako, literalki, da bakarrik? Zergatik nago hau egiten?
25:25
I need to have the reason,
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Arrazoi bat izan behar dut,
25:28
and the reason has to be by saying something through the music."
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eta arrazioa zera izan behar du: zerbait esatea musikaren bidez.
25:33
And by saying something through music, which basically is sound,
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Eta musikaren bidez zerbait esatean, funtsean soinua dela,
25:38
we then can reach all sorts of things to all sorts of people.
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edozein motatako gauzak transmiti daitezke edozein pertsonari.
25:43
But I don't want to take responsibility of your emotional baggage.
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Baina ez dut zuen emoziotaz ardura artu nahi.
25:46
That's up to you, when you walk through a hall.
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Hori zuek areto batera sartzen zaretenearen araberakoa da.
25:48
Because that then determines what and how we listen to certain things.
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Honek zehaztuko du nola entzuten ditugun hainbat gauza.
25:54
I may feel sorrowful, or happy, or exhilarated, or angry when I play
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Triste sentitu naiteke, edo zoriontsu, edo asaldatua, edo gozagaitz musika-lan batzuk
26:00
certain pieces of music, but I'm not necessarily
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jotzen ditudanean, baina dut nahi zuek
26:02
wanting you to feel exactly the same thing.
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berdina sentitzea.
26:06
So please, the next time you go to a concert,
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Beraz, kontzert batera zoaztenean,
26:09
just allow your body to open up, allow your body to be this resonating chamber.
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utzi zuen gorputzak irekitzea, utzi zuen gurputzari erresonantzia ganbara izatea.
26:16
Be aware that you're not going to experience the same thing as the performer is.
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Kontuan izan ez duzuela musikariak esperimentatuko duen berdina sentituko.
26:21
The performer is in the worst possible position for the actual sound,
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Artista posizio txarrenean dago soinu errealarentzako:
26:25
because they're hearing the contact of the stick on the drum,
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makila kaxa kolpekatzen duenaren soinua entzuten ari da,
26:31
or the mallet on the bit of wood, or the bow on the string, etc.,
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edo mazoa egurra kolpekatzen, edo arkua sokan, etab.
26:35
or the breath that's creating the sound from wind and brass.
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Edo soinuak sortzen duen arnasketa haize eta metaletan.
26:39
They're experiencing that rawness there.
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Gordintasuna esperimentatzen ari dira bertan.
26:41
But yet they're experiencing something so unbelievably pure,
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Hala ere zerbait hain purua esperimentatzen ari dira
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which is before the sound is actually happening.
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benetako soinuaren aurrekoa dela.
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Please take note of the life of the sound after the actual initial strike,
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Mezedez, kontura zaitezte soinuaren bizitzaz kolpea eta gero,
26:55
or breath, is being pulled. Just experience the whole journey of that sound
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edo arnasketaz, emanak izan dira. Soinu horren bidaia esperimentatzen dugu
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in the same way that I wished I'd experienced the whole journey
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konferentzia honen ibilbide guztia esperimentatu nahi izan nukeen moduan
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of this particular conference, rather than just arriving last night.
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atzo ailegatzearen ordez.
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But I hope maybe we can share one or two things as the day progresses.
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Espero dut hainbat gauza trutatu ahal izatea egunean zehar.
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But thank you very much for having me!
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Eskerrikasko gonbidatzeagatik!
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(Applause)
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ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Evelyn Glennie - MusicianPercussionist and composer Dame Evelyn Glennie lost nearly all of her hearing by age 12. Rather than isolating her, it has given her a unique connection to her music.
Why you should listen
Dame Evelyn Glennie's music challenges the listener to ask where music comes from: Is it more than simply a translation from score to instrument to audience?
The Grammy-winning percussionist and composer became almost completely deaf by the age of 12, but her hearing loss brought her a deeper understanding of and connection to the music she loves. She's the subject of the documentary Touch the Sound, which explores this unconventional and intriguing approach to percussion.
Along with her vibrant solo career, Glennie has collaborated with musicians ranging from classical orchestras to Björk. Her career has taken her to hundreds of concert stages around the world, and she's recorded a dozen albums, winning a Grammy for her recording of Bartók's Sonata for Two Pianos and Percussion, and another for her 2002 collaboration with Bela Fleck.
Her passion for music and musical literacy brought her to establish, in collaboration with fellow musicians Julian Lloyd Weber and Sir James Galway, the Music Education Consortium, which successfully lobbied for an investment of 332 million pounds in music education and musical resources in Britain.
Evelyn Glennie | Speaker | TED.com