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Corneille Ewango: A hero of the Congo forest
Corneille Ewango je junak šuma Konga
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Botaničar Corneille Ewango govori o svom radu na Okapi Faunalnom rezervatu u bazenu Konga - i njegovom herojskom naporu da ga zaštiti od krivolovaca, rudara i bijesnih građanskih ratova.
Corneille Ewango - Botanist and activist
As a botanist at the Okapi Wildlife Reserve in the Congo basin, Corneille Ewango has faced down poachers and soldiers who threaten this delicate and vital ecosystem. Full bio
As a botanist at the Okapi Wildlife Reserve in the Congo basin, Corneille Ewango has faced down poachers and soldiers who threaten this delicate and vital ecosystem. Full bio
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I don't speak English.
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Ne govorim engleski.
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I start speaking English, learning English, about a year ago.
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Počeo sam govoriti, učiti engleski otprilike prije godinu dana.
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I speak French and I grew up with French, so my English is Franglais.
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Govorim francuski i odrastao sam uz njega, zato je moj engleski zapravo frengleski.
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I'm born in the Western Congo, in an area around here,
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Rodio sam se u zapadnom Kongu, ovdje blizu
00:30
and then went to university in Kisangani.
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i pohađao sam sveučilište u Kisangani.
00:35
And after I finished, I went to this area, the Ituri Forest.
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Kad sam završio sa studijem, išao sam u ovo područje, šuma Ituri.
00:39
But what I've been doing --
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Ali što sam radiom --
00:41
when I was about 14, I grew in my uncle's house.
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kad sam imao 14 godina, živio sam u kući kod ujaka.
00:48
And my father was a soldier,
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Moj otac je bio vojnik
00:51
and my uncle was a fisherman and also a poacher.
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a ujak ribar, ali i krivolovac.
00:55
What I've been doing from 14 to 17 was,
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Od 14 do 17 godine,
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I was assisting them collecting ivory tusk, meat
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pomagao sam im skupljati bjelokost, meso
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and whatever they were killing, poaching, hunting in the forest,
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ili štogod su već ubijali, lovili u šumi
01:11
bring it in the main city to get access to the market.
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i nositi skupljeno u glavni grad na tržnicu.
01:16
But finally, I got myself involved.
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Na kraju sam se i ja uključio.
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Around 17 to 20 years, I became, myself, a poacher.
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Između 17 i 20 godine sam i ja postao krivolovac.
01:27
And I wanted to do it, because -- I believed -- to continue my studies.
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Htio sam se baviti time jer sam htio nastaviti sa svojim studijem.
01:32
I wanted to go to university, but my father was poor, my uncle even.
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Htio sam ići na fakultet, ali moj otac i ujak bili su siromašni
01:36
So, I did it.
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Tako sam to radio.
01:38
And for three to four years, I went to university.
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Nakon tri-četiri godine otišao sam na sveučilište.
01:42
For three times, I applied to biomedical science, to be a doctor.
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Tri puta sam se prijavljivao za biomedicinu, htio sam biti liječnik.
01:48
I didn't succeed.
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Nisam uspio.
01:50
I was having my inscriptions, my admission to biology.
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Primljen sam na biologiju.
01:55
And I said, "No way, I'm not doing it.
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Ali rekao sam si, ne, nema šanse.
01:57
My family's poor, my area don't have better health care.
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Moja obitelj je siromašna, cijelo područje ima loše zdravstvo.
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I want to be a doctor to serve them."
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Želim biti doktor i pomagati ljudima.
02:03
Three times, that means three years, and I start getting old.
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Tri puta, znači tri godine, i započeo sam stariti.
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I say, "Oh, no, I continue."
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Rekao sam, ne, nastavit ću pokušavati.
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So, I did tropical ecology and plant botany.
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Tada sam upisao tropsku ekologiju i botaniku.
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When I finished, I went to the Ituri Forest for my internship.
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Kada sam završio, otišao sam u šumu Ituri na stažiranje.
02:20
It's where I really getting passion with what I'm doing
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Tamo sam otkrio strast za ono što radim danas
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right up to now -- I'm standing in front of you --
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i zato stojim pred vama,
02:28
doing botany and wildlife conservation.
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zato se danas bavim botanikom i zaštitom životinja.
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That time the Ituri Forest was created as a forest reserve
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U to vrijeme šuma Ituri pretvorena je u rezervat
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with some animals and also plants.
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za životinje i biljke.
02:41
And the training center there was built
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Izgrađen je i centar za obuku,
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around the scientific Congolese staff
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okupljen oko kongoških
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and some American scientists also.
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i američkih znanstvenika.
02:51
So, the Okapi Faunal Reserve protects number --
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Okapi rezervat čuva brojnost životinja –
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I think that is the largest number of elephants
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mislim da je tamo najveći broj slonova
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we have right now in protected areas in Congo.
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koji sada imamo u zaštićenim područjima u Kongu.
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It has also chimpanzees.
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Tu su i čimpanze.
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And it has been named Okapi Faunal Reserve
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Zove se Okapi rezervat za faunu
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because of this beautiful creature.
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zbog ovog prekrasnog stvorenja.
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That is a forest giraffe.
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Ovo je šumska žirafa.
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I think you guys know it quite well.
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Mislim kako ju poznajete dobro.
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Here we have savanna giraffes,
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Imamo savanske žirafe,
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but through evolution we have this forest giraffe
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ali kroz evoluciju je nastala i šumska žirafa
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that lives only in Congo.
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koja živi samo u Kongu.
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It has also some beautiful primates.
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Tamo prebivaju i neki predivni primati.
03:26
Thirteen species -- highest diversity we can find in one single area in Africa.
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13 vrsta – to je najveća raznolikost na jednom području u Africi.
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And it has the Ituri Forest itself --
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A tu je i sama šuma Ituri –
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about 1,300 species of plants, so far known.
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gdje možemo naći oko 1.300 vrsta zasad poznatih biljaka.
03:41
I joined the Wildlife Conservation Society, working there, in 1995,
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Počeo sam raditi u Društvo za zaštitu okoliša 1995. godine,
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but I started working with them as a student in 1991.
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ali pridružio sam im se već 1991. godine kao student.
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I was appointed as a teaching assistant at my university
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Dodijeljeno mi je mjesto asistenta na mom sveučilištu
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because I accomplished with honor.
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jer sam završio studij s odličnim ocjenama.
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But I didn't like the way -- the instruction I got was very poor.
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Međutim, nisam bio zadovoljan znanjem koje sam tamo trebao dobiti.
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And I wanted to be formed to a training center and a research center.
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Htio sam se pridružiti nekom istraživačkom centru.
04:08
With the end of the dictatorship regime of Mobutu Sese Seko,
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Nakon završetka diktature Mobutu Sese Sekoa,
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that most of you know, life became very, very difficult.
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kao što većina vas zna, život je postao jako, jako težak.
04:18
And the work we have been doing
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A posao koji smo mi radili
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was completely difficult to do and to achieve it.
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bio je još teži.
04:24
When Kabila started his movement to liberate Congo,
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Kad je Kabila pokrenuo svoj pokret za oslobođenje Konga,
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so Mobutu soldiers started moving and retreated.
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Mobutuovi vojnici počeli su se povlačiti,
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So they started fleeing from the east to the west.
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bježati s istoka na zapad.
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And the Okapi Faunal Reserve is there,
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A baš tamo je i Okapi rezervat,
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so there was a road from Goma, somewhere here,
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i postojala je cesta iz Gome,
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and coming like this.
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otprilike ovdje.
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So they might go through, pass through the Okapi Faunal Reserve.
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Tako da su mogli proći kroz Okapi faunski rezervat.
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Congo has five of the world's richest sites of protected area,
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Kongo ima pet najbogatijih zaštićenih područja svijeta,
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and the Okapi Faunal Reserve is one of them.
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a Okapi je jedno od njih.
05:02
So soldier was fleeing in the Okapi Faunal Reserve.
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Dakle, vojnici su bježali kroz Rezervat
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On their way, they looted everything.
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i putem krali sve živo.
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Torture, wars -- oh, my God, you can't believe.
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Mučenja i rat – moj Bože, ne biste vjerovali.
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Every person was looking his way -- where to go, we don't know.
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Svatko je bježao na svoju stranu i htio se pobrinuti za sebe.
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And it was for us, the young, the first time really
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To je bio prvi put za nas mlade da smo se susreli s ratom,
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we hear the language of war, of guns.
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s jezikom pucnjave.
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And even people who faced the rebellion of 1963,
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Čak ni ljudi koji su doživjeli ustanak iz 1963. godine,
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after our independence, they didn't believe what was happening.
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nakon osamostaljenja, nisu mogli vjerovati što se zbiva.
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They were killing people. They were doing whatever they want
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Ubijali su ljude i činili što su htjeli samo
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because they have power.
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zato što su mogli.
05:40
Who have been doing that?
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Tko je to radio?
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Young children. Child soldiers.
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Mlada djeca. Djeca vojnici.
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You can't ask him how old he is because he has guns.
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Ne možeš ga upitati koliko ima godina jer ima pištolj.
05:50
But I was from the west, working in the east.
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Ali ja sam bio sa zapada, radio sam na istoku,
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I even [at] that time was not speaking Swahili.
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i čak u to vrijeme nisam niti znao swahili.
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And when they came, they looted everything.
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Kad su došli, sve su pokrali.
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You can't speak Lingala because Lingala was from Mobutu,
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Nisi smio govoriti lingala jezikom jer su tim jezikom govorili Mobutuovi vojnici.
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and everyone speaking Lingala is soldier.
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Svatko tko je govorio lingala smatran je vojnikom.
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And I was from the same area to him.
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A ja sam bio iz istog područja kao i Mobutu.
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All my friends said, we are leaving because we are a target.
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Svi su moji prijatelji rekli da odlaze jer su se osjećali ugroženima.
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But I'm not going to the east, because I don't know Swahili.
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Ali ja nisam htio na istok jer nisam znao swahili.
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I stay. If I go, I will be killed.
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Ostao sam. Da sam otišao, ubili bi me.
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I can't go back to my area -- it's more than 1,000 kilometers [away].
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Nisam mogao nazad u svoje područje – udaljeno je više od 1.000 km.
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I stayed after they looted everything.
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Ostao sam nakon što su sve pokrali.
06:24
We have been doing research on botany,
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Istraživali smo na području botanike,
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and we have a small herbarium of 4,500 sheets of plants.
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i imamo mali herbarij od 4.500 biljaka.
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We cut, we dry and we packed them,
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Sjekli smo, sušili ih i pakirali,
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we mounted them on a folder.
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i lijepili ih u fascikle.
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Purpose: so that we start them for agriculture,
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Zašto? Da bismo ih očuvali zbog poljoprivrede,
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for medicine, for whatever, and for science,
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medicine -- i za znanost,
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for the study of the flora and the change of the forest.
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istraživanje flore i promjena koje se događaju u šumi.
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That is people moving around, that's even Pygmies.
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Ovo su ljudi kako rade, čak i Pigmejci.
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And this is a bright guy, hard-working person, and Pygmy.
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Ovo je jedna bistra, marljiva osoba, Pigmejac.
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I've been working with him about 10 years.
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Radim s njim već otprilike deset godina.
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And with soldiers, they went to the forest for poaching elephants.
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Vojnici su išli u šumu zbog lova na slonove.
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Because he's Pygmy, he knows how to track elephants in the forest.
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Budući da je Pigmejac, zna kako naći slonove u šumi.
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He has been attacked by a leopard and they abandon him in the forest.
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Napao ga je leopard i vojnici su ga ostavili u šumi.
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They came to told me, I have to save him.
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Došli su k meni i rekli da ga moram spasiti.
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And what I did, I gave him just antibiotics
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I ja sam mu samo dao neke antibiotike
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that we care for tuberculosis.
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koje se daju za tuberkulozu.
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And fortunately, I saved his life.
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Na sreću, spasio sam mu život.
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And that was the language of the war.
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To je jezik rata.
07:34
Everywhere there has been constant extraction of mineral,
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Svugdje su iskopavali minerale,
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killing animals, the logging timbers and so on.
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ubijali životinje i rušili drveće.
07:43
And what of important things --
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Jedna važna stvar,
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I think all of you here have a cell phone.
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mislim da svi ovdje imate mobitele.
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That mineral has killed a lot:
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Taj mineral je ubio mnoge –
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five millions of Congolese have gone because of this
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oko 5 milijuna Kongožana je umrlo zbog tog
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Colombo-Tantalite -- they call it Coltan --
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colombo-tantalita, zovu ga i coltan.
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that they use it to make cell phones
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Koriste ga za izradu mobitela,
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and it has been in that area, all over in Congo. Extraction,
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a iskopavali su ga u ovom području i cijelom Kongu,
08:05
and good, big business of the war.
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jer je to bio unosan posao za rat.
08:08
And what I did for the first war, after we have lost everything,
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I ono što sam napravio za prvog rata, nakon što smo sve izgubili,
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I have to save something, even myself, my life and life of the staff.
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morao sam nešto učiniti, morao sam nešto spasiti, barem svoj život i živote svojih ljudi.
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I buried some of our new vehicle engines, I buried it to save it.
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Zakopao sam motore novih vozila u zemlju, da bi ih spasio.
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And some of equipment went with them,
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Nešto od opreme otišlo je s njima
08:26
on the top of the canopy, to save it.
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na vrhu kabine, opet da bi je spasio.
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He's not collecting plants, he's going to save our equipment
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On ne skuplja biljke, on će spasiti našu
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on the canopy.
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na vrhu kabine.
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And with the material that's left --
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A s materijalom koji je ostao –
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because they wanted to destroy it, to burn it,
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jer oni su ga htjeli uništiti, spaliti.
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they didn't understand it, they didn't go to school --
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Ali nisu ga razumjeli, nisu bili školovani.
08:40
I packed it.
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Spremio sam ga.
08:42
And that is me, going to, hurrying to Uganda,
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Ovo sam ja, idem, žurim prema Ugandi,
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to try to save that 4,000 material,
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pokušavam spasiti 4.000 biljaka,
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with people carrying them on the bikes, bicycles.
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ljudi ih nose na biciklima.
08:54
And after that, we succeeded.
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I nakon toga smo uspjeli.
08:56
I housed that 4,000 material at the herbarium of Makerere University.
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Smjestili smo svih 4.000 biljaka u herbarij Makerere sveučilišta.
09:01
And after the war, I have been able to bring it back home,
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A nakon rata mogao sam ih prenijeti nazad kući
09:05
so that we continue our studies.
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kako bismo nastavali s istraživanjem.
09:07
The second war came while we didn't expect it.
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Drugi je rat došao neočekivano.
09:11
With friends, we had been sitting and watching match football,
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Sjedili smo s prijateljima i gledali nogometnu utakmicu,
09:15
and having some good music with WorldSpace radio,
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slušali dobru glazbu na Worldspace radiju,
09:19
when it started, I think.
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kada je počeo, mislim.
09:21
So, it was so bad.
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Dakle, bilo je loše.
09:24
We heard that now from the east again the war started,
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Čuli smo da je rat opet počeo na istoku
09:27
and it's going fast.
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i brzo se širio.
09:29
This time I think Kabila will go in place of, as he did with Mobutu.
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Ovaj puta Kabila će ići na bojište, kao i u ratu s Mobutuom.
09:34
And the reserve was a target to the rebels.
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A rezervat je bio meta pobunjenicima.
09:38
Three different movements and two militia acting in the same area
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Tri različita pokreta i dvije paravojske su djelovale na istom području
09:44
and competing for natural resources.
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i natjecale se za prirodna bogatstva.
09:47
And there was no way to work.
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To nikako nije moglo funkcionirati.
09:49
They destroy everything.
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Sve su uništavali.
09:51
Poaching -- oh, no way.
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Krivolov i sve.
09:53
And that's the powerful men. We have to meet and to talk to them.
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A to su sve bili moćni ljudi – morali smo se naći s njima i popričati.
09:59
What's the regulation of the reserve
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Koja su pravila rezervata
10:01
and what is the regulation of the parks?
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i koja su pravila parka?
10:03
And they can't do what they are doing.
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Nisu smjeli raditi to što su radili.
10:06
So we went to meet them.
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Otišli smo se sastati s njima.
10:08
That is Coltan extraction, gold mining.
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Ovo je iskopavanje coltana, iskopavanje zlata.
10:12
So, we started talking with them,
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Počeli smo pregovarati s njima,
10:14
convincing them that we are in a protected area.
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pokušali smo ih uvjeriti da su u zaštićenom području.
10:16
There are regulations
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Postoje pravila koja
10:18
that it's prohibited to do logging, mining and poaching, specifically.
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zabranjuju sječu drveća, iskopavanje i krivolov.
10:24
But they said, "You guys,
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Ali oni su odgovorili, "Vi mislite
10:26
you think that soldiers who are dying are not important,
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da vojnici koji umiru nisu važni
10:30
and your animals you are protecting are most important.
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a vaše životinje koje štitite su jako važne.
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We don't think so.
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Mi to ne mislimo.
10:37
We have to do it, because to let our movement advance."
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To radimo zbog našeg pokreta."
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I say, "No way, you are not going to do it here."
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Ja sam im odgovorio, "Nema šanse, nećete to ovdje raditi."
10:44
We started talking with them and I was negotiating.
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Nastavili smo pričati i pregovarati s njima.
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Tried to protect our equipment, tried to protect our staff
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Nastojali smo zaštiti našu opremu, osoblje
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and the villages of about 1,500 people.
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i sela od otprilike 1.500 ljudi.
10:56
And we continued.
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I nastavili smo.
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But I was doing that, negotiating with them.
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Kad smo pregovarali s njima,
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Sometimes we are having meeting
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oni su ponekad u isto vrijeme
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and they are talking with Jean-Pierre Bemba,
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razgovarali i sa Jean-Pierre Bembom,
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with Mbusa Nyamwisi, with Kabila, and I'm there.
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Mbusom Nyamwisijem, Kabilom, dakle bili smo tamo.
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Sometimes, they talk to my own language, that is, Lingala.
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Nekad su pričali i mojim jezikom, lingalom.
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I hear it and what strategy they are doing, what they are planning.
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Razumio sam ih i čuo njihove planove i strategije.
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Sometimes, they are having a helicopter
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Dolazili su im i helikopteri
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to supply them with ammunition and so on.
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sa zalihama streljiva i drugim.
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They used me to carry that, and I was doing counting,
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Mene su zaposlili da to prenosim i brojao sam,
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what comes from where, and where, and where.
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što i koliko dolazi odakle.
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I had only this equipment -- my satellite phone, my computer
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Imao sam samo satelitski telefon, računalo
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and a plastic solar panel -- that I hide it in the forest.
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i plastičnu solarnu ploču, skrivene u šumi.
11:39
And every time, daily, after we have meeting,
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Svaki dan, nakon sastanka,
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what compromise we have, whatever,
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otišao bih
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I go, I write a short email, send it.
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i napisao kratki e-mail i poslao ga.
11:50
I don't know how many people I had on my address.
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Ne znam točno koliko sam ljudi imao u adresaru,
11:54
I sent the message: what is going about the progress of the war
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ali poslao bih svima poruku o tome što se događa
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and what they are planning to do.
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i što vojnici planiraju dalje.
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They started suspecting that what we do on the morning,
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Počelo im je biti čudno da ono što bismo se dogovorili ujutro,
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and the afternoon, it's on the news, BBC, RFI.
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navečer bude na vijestima – BBC, RFI.
12:07
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
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Something might be going on.
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Nešto se čudno zbiva.
12:10
And one day, we went for a meeting.
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Jedan dan, nakon sastanka...
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(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
12:14
Sorry.
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Oprostite.
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One day, we went to meet the Chief Commander.
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Jedan dan sastali smo se s vrhovnim zapovjednikom.
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He had the same iridium cell phone like me.
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Imao je isti mobitel kao ja.
12:23
And he asked me, "Do you know how to use this?"
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Pitao me, "Znaš li kako se ovo koristi?"
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I said, "I have never seen it.
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Odgovorio sam, "Nikad nisam tako nešto vidio.
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(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
12:28
I don't know."
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Ne znam."
12:30
And I had mine on my pocket.
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A imao sam isti takav u džepu.
12:32
So, it was a chance that they trusted me a lot.
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Dakle, bilo je očito da su mi vjerovali,
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They didn't -- they was not looking on me.
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nisu pazili na mene.
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So I was scared.
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Bio sam uplašen.
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And when we finished the meeting, I went to return it in the forest.
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Kad je sastanak završio, vratio sam mobitel u šumu.
12:42
And I was sending news, doing whatever,
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Poslao sam vijesti,
12:46
reporting daily to the U.N., to UNESCO, to our institution in New York,
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svaki dan sam ih slao UN-u, UNESCO-u, našoj podružnici u New Yorku
12:51
what have been going.
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da bi vidjeli što se događa.
12:53
And for that, they have been having big pressure to leave, to free the area.
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Zato su vojnici bili pod velikim pritiskom, morali su osloboditi područje
12:58
Because there was no way --
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Jer što god bi napravili,
13:00
whatever they do, it's known the same time.
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to bi se odmah znalo.
13:02
During the first two rebellions, they killed all animals in the zoo.
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Tijekom prve dvije pobune ubili su sve životinje u zoološkom vrtu.
13:07
We have a zoo of 14 Okapis, and one of them was pregnant.
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U vrtu smo imali 14 okapija, jedna ženka bila je trudna.
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And during the war, after a week of heavy war, fighting in the area,
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Tijekom rata, nakon teških tjedan dana, borbi na području,
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we succeeded: we had the first Okapi.
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uspjeli smo – rodio se prvi okapi.
13:19
This is the only trouser and shirt remind me of this.
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Ovo su jedine hlače i majica koje sam imao.
13:22
This is not local population, this is rebels.
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Ovo nisu seljani, to su pobunjenici.
13:25
They are now happy sending the news
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Sretni su zbog vijesti
13:27
that they have protected the Okapi with the war,
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o rođenju okapija
13:29
because we sent the news that they are killing
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jer smo dosad slali vijesti kako samo ubijaju
13:32
and poaching everywhere.
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i kradu svugdje.
13:33
After a week, we celebrated the birthday of that Okapi,
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Tjedan dana poslije, kad smo slavili rođendan malog okapija,
13:38
they killed an elephant, just 50 meters to the area
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ubili su jednog slona, samo 50 metara dalje
13:42
where the zoo, where Okapi was born.
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od zoološkog vrta, gdje je rođen mali okapi.
13:45
And I was mad.
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I bio sam bijesan.
13:46
I oppose it -- that they are now going to dissect it,
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Nisam im htio dopustiti da ga rasijeku na komadiće
13:48
until I do my report and then I see the Chief Commander.
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dok ne napišem izvještaj i onda se vidim s vrhovnim zapovjednikom.
13:54
And I succeeded.
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I uspio sam.
13:56
The elephant just decayed and they just got the tusks.
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Slon je uginuo i dobili su samo kljove.
14:01
What we are doing after that -- that was the situation of the war --
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Nakon rata, sve je bilo uništeno
14:06
we have to rebuild.
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i morali smo sve ponovno izgraditi.
14:08
I had some money. I was paid 150 dollars.
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Imao sam nešto novca – platili su me 150 dolara.
14:11
I devoted half of it to rebuild the herbarium,
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Pola od toga dao sam za izgradnju herbarija,
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because we didn't have good infrastructure to start plants.
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jer nismo imali dobre temelje ni za što.
14:20
Wildlife Conservation Society more dealing with plants.
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Wildlife Conservation Society se više bavio biljkama.
14:24
I started this with 70 dollars,
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Počeo sam sa 70 dolara
14:27
and start fundraising money to where I've been going.
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i nastavio skupljati novce.
14:31
I had opportunity to go all over,
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Dobio sam priliku putovati po mjestima
14:33
where herbarium for my African material is.
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gdje su naše biljke smještene.
14:36
And they supported me a bit, and I built this.
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Dobio sam podršku i izgradio ovo.
14:41
Now, it's doing work to train young Congolese.
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Danas se tu obučavaju mladi Kongožani.
14:46
And also, what one of the speciality we are doing,
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Također, jedna od naših posebnosti je
14:49
my design is tracking the global warming effect on biodiversity,
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i to što pratimo utjecaj globalnog zagrijavanja na raznolikost života
14:55
and what the impacts of the Ituri Forest is playing to uptake carbon.
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i ulogu šume Ituri u poništavanju ugljika.
15:00
This is one of the studies we are doing on a 40-hectare plot,
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Ovo je jedno od istraživanja koje radimo na području od 40 hektara –
15:04
where we have tagged trees and lianas from one centimeters,
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označili smo drveće i lijane od jednog centimetra
15:08
and we are tracking them.
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i pratimo njihov razvoj.
15:10
We have now data of about 15 years,
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Danas već imamo podatke od proteklih 15 godina,
15:14
to see how that forest is contributing to the carbon reductions.
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i možemo vidjeti kako šuma pridonosi smanjenju udjela ugljika.
15:21
And that is -- I think it's difficult for me.
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Znate, ovo je jako teško za mene.
15:26
This is a very embarrassing talk, I know.
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Ovo je jako neugodan govor, znam --
15:29
I don't know where to start, where to finish it.
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ne znam gdje bih počeo, gdje bih završio.
15:32
When I was thinking to come here,
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Kad sam razmišljao o dolasku ovamo,
15:34
what best title I wanted to say to my talk, I didn't find this.
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nisam mislio da je ovo najbolji naslov za moj govor.
15:39
But now I think that I would have titled it, "The Language of Guns."
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Mislim da bih ga sada nazvao: "Jezik oružja".
15:44
Where are you people?
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Gdje ste sada, svi vi?
15:46
Now we are talking about reconstitution, rebuild Africa.
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Sada kada govorimo o rekonstituiranju, ponovnoj izgradnji Afrike.
15:51
But is gun industries a tool to rebuild, or is it a game?
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Je li industrija oružja alat kojim ćemo graditi ili samo igra?
15:59
I think we see the war like a game --
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Mislim da rat vidimo kao igru –
16:04
like soccer, football.
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kao nogomet.
16:06
Everybody is happy, but see what it's doing,
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Svi su kao sretni, ali pogledajte što on radi,
16:11
see what is going in Darfur.
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pogledajte što se zbiva u Darfuru.
16:13
Now we say, oh, my God.
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Sada govorimo, o moj Bože.
16:14
See what the wars in Rwanda.
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Pogledajte rat u Ruandi.
16:16
That's because of the language of guns.
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To je sve jezik oružja.
16:20
I don't think that someone may blame Google,
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Smatram da ne treba kriviti Google
16:24
because it's doing the right things,
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jer čini dobre stvari,
16:27
even if people like Al-Qaeda are using Google
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čak i ljudi iz Al-Qaede koriste Google
16:30
to connect between them.
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kako bi se povezali.
16:32
But it's serving millions for the best.
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Ali to je korisno milijunima ljudi.
16:35
But what is doing with gun industries?
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Ali industrija oružja?
16:38
Thank you.
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Hvala.
16:40
(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
16:45
Chris Anderson: Thank you, thank you.
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Chris Anderson: Hvala vam, hvala.
16:47
Just wait over there.
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Pričekajte ovdje.
16:50
It's an amazing story.
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Ovo je nevjerojatna priča.
16:52
I suspect a lot of people here have the same question I have.
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Mislim da dosta ljudi ovdje zanima ista stvar kao i mene.
16:57
How can we help you?
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Kako vam možemo pomoći?
17:02
Corneille Ewango: That's really embarrassing questions.
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Corneille Ewango: Ovo je stvarno nezgodno pitanje.
17:06
I think that now I feel nervous.
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Malo sam sada nervozan.
17:08
And I think, helping us, people are acting sometimes by ignorance.
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Mislim da nam ljudi nekad pomažu iz neznanja.
17:14
I did it myself.
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I ja sam to radio.
17:16
If I know when I was young,
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Da sam kao mali znao
17:18
that [by] killing an elephant, I'm destroying biodiversity,
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da je ubijanje slonova loše, da uništavam bioraznolikost,
17:21
I would not have done it.
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ne bih to radio.
17:23
Many, many of you have seen the talents of Africans,
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Mnogi od vas vidjeli su potencijal Afrikanaca,
17:27
but there are few who are going to school.
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ali mali je broj onih koji su školovani.
17:31
Many are dying because of all those kind of pandemics,
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Mnogi umiru zbog raznih pandemija,
17:36
HIV, malaria, poverty, not going to school.
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HIV-a, malarije, zbog siromaštva, ne idu u škole.
17:41
What you can assist us, it's by building capacities.
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Možete nam pomoći izgradnjom kapaciteta.
17:45
How many have got opportunity like me
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Koliko ih ima priliku, kao ja,
17:47
to go to U.S., do a master's?
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otići u SAD na magisterij?
17:49
And go -- now, I'm in the Netherlands to do a Ph.D.
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Ja sam sad u Nizozemskoj na doktoratu.
17:52
But many of them are just here, because they don't have money.
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Mnogi Afrikanci su ovdje jer nemaju novaca.
17:55
And they can't go even to university.
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I ne mogu na sveučilište.
17:58
They can't even attain the bachelor's degree.
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Čak ni na preddiplomski studij.
18:01
Building capacities for the young generation
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Stvaranjem prilika za mlađe generacije
18:05
is going to make a better generation
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stvaramo i bolje generacije
18:07
and a better future tomorrow for Africa.
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i bolju budućnost za Afriku.
18:10
CA: Thank you, thank you.
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C. A.: Hvala vam. Hvala.
18:11
(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Corneille Ewango - Botanist and activistAs a botanist at the Okapi Wildlife Reserve in the Congo basin, Corneille Ewango has faced down poachers and soldiers who threaten this delicate and vital ecosystem.
Why you should listen
Corneille Ewango grew up in a family of poachers and hunters -- it was simply a way of life in his village. But when he got the chance to go to school, he found a new mission -- to study and preserve the flora and fauna of his region, the Congo Basin forest. In his passion for the forest, Ewango found himself an unwitting hero, taking bold steps to secure its resources and convince warring parties to leave it in peace.
The Congo Basin's great forests are under pressure from many angles. Settlers look here for fresh farmland; miners look for deposits of valuable col-tan; and soldiers fight over the forests both as territory to be won and as a resource for bush meat (from the threatened okapi) and cooking charcoal. It's home to families of pygmies and herds of okapi -- and a treasure house of green, growing things.
Ewango won the Goldman Environmental Prize in 2005 for his work at the Okapi Faunal Reserve in the Democratic Republic of Congo, a World Heritage Site. He's now studying in the United States.
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