ABOUT THE SPEAKER

Sally Kohn - Political pundit
Sally Kohn searches for common ground among political foes by focusing on the compassion and humanity in everyone.

Why you should listen

Sally Kohn has a powerful vision for a more united United States. She's a columnist and a political commentator for CNN, and she is working on a book about hate that will be published in the spring of 2018. As a former contributor to Fox News, this progressive lesbian sparred with some of the most conservative minds on television and has sifted through hundreds of letters of hate mail a day. But she deeply believes in finding our common humanity, political differences aside. Before we can achieve political correctness, we must first establish emotional correctness — and this will ignite conversations that lead to real change.

Kohn has appeared on Fox, MSNBC and CNN and has written for The Daily Beast, Salon, The Atlantic and TIME Magazine.

More profile about the speaker
Sally Kohn | Speaker | TED.com

TED@NYC

Sally Kohn: Let’s try emotional correctness

薩莉．科恩: 讓我們嘗試感情正確

Filmed: 2013-10-14

Readability: 3.5

2,012,109 views

現在是自由主義者和保守主義者超越政治分歧，開始聆聽對方的時刻，政治評論者 Sally Kohn 說。在這個積極的演講中，Kohn 分享了她作為一位激進的 Fox News 談話節目女同性戀主播所學到的。她說，更重要的不是政治正確，而是感情正確。

Sally Kohn - Political pundit
Sally Kohn searches for common ground among political foes by focusing on the compassion and humanity in everyone. Full bio

Double-click the English transcript below to play the video.

00:13

So when I do my job工作, people hate討厭 me.

0

1015

3671

工作上，大家討厭我

00:16

In fact事實, the better I do my job工作,

1

4686

2510

事實上，我把我的工作做得越好

00:19

the more people hate討厭 me.

2

7196

1774

越多的人討厭我

00:20

And no, I'm not a meter儀表 maid女傭,

3

8970

1976

我也不是取締違規的女警

00:22

and I'm not an undertaker殯儀館.

4

10946

1819

我也不是殯葬業者

00:24

I am a progressive進步 lesbian女同性戀 talking說 head頭

5

12765

3213

我是一個積極進取的女同志

00:27

on Fox狐狸 News新聞. (Applause掌聲)

6

15978

3097

常常在Fox News上發表評論(掌聲)

00:31

So y'all你們 heard聽說 that, right? Just to make sure, right?

7

19075

2375

你們都聽到了吧? 我只是想確認一下對吧?

00:33

I am a gay同性戀者 talking說 head頭 on Fox狐狸 News新聞.

8

21450

3305

我是一個在Fox News
常常發表評論的女同志

00:36

I am going to tell you how I do it

9

24755

1802

我會告訴大家我怎麼做到的

00:38

and the most最 important重要 thing I've learned學到了.

10

26557

2205

和我所學到最重要的事

00:40

So I go on television電視.

11

28762

1607

所以我上電視

00:42

I debate辯論 people who literally按照字面 want to obliterate泯

12

30369

3052

我和那些簡直要磨沒

00:45

everything I believe in, in some cases例,

13

33421

1908

我所有堅信的事物，有時，

00:47

who don't want me and people like me to even exist存在.

14

35329

3413

甚至是不希望不喜歡我存在的人辯論

00:50

It's sort分類 of like Thanksgiving感恩
with your conservative保守 uncle叔叔

15

38742

3249

那就像是感恩節和你保守的叔叔

00:53

on steroids類固醇,

16

41991

1934

在爭論

00:55

with a live生活 television電視 audience聽眾 of millions百萬.

17

43925

3135

外加數十萬的現場電視觀眾

00:59

It's totally完全 almost幾乎 just like that.

18

47060

2920

就像那個樣子

01:01

And that's just on air空氣.

19

49980

1272

在剛剛開播的時候

01:03

The hate討厭 mail郵件 I get is unbelievable難以置信的.

20

51252

2187

我收到的仇視郵件已經讓人難以置信

01:05

Last week週 alone單獨, I got 238 pieces件 of nasty討厭 email電子郵件

21

53439

5251

僅僅上週，我收到了238封骯髒的郵件

01:10

and more hate討厭 tweets微博 than I can even count計數.

22

58690

2877

更多的數不清的推特

我被稱為傻瓜、叛徒、禍害、

01:13

I was called叫 an idiot白痴, a traitor叛徒, a scourge災害,

23

61567

3445

騙子、醜惡的人

01:17

a cunt屄, and an ugly醜陋 man,

24

65012

2512

01:19

and that was just in one email電子郵件.

25

67524

1813

僅僅在一封郵件裡

01:21

(Laughter笑聲)

26

69337

2826

（笑）

01:24

So what have I realized實現,

27

72163

2647

所以我意識到

作為這些醜惡的最終接受者

01:26

being存在 on the receiving接收 end結束 of all this ugliness醜陋?

28

74810

2770

01:29

Well, my biggest最大 takeaway帶走 is that for decades幾十年,

29

77580

2795

我最大的收穫在於，幾十年來

01:32

we've我們已經 been focused重點 on political政治 correctness正確性,

30

80375

3147

我們一直關注與政治正確

01:35

but what matters事項 more is emotional情緒化 correctness正確性.

31

83522

4288

但是真正關鍵的是感情正確

01:39

Let me give you a small小 example例.

32

87810

1833

讓我舉一個小例子

01:41

I don't care關心 if you call me a dyke堤防. I really don't.

33

89643

2917

我不介意你稱呼我女同性戀。我真的不在乎。

01:44

I care關心 about two things.

34

92560

1382

我在乎兩個事情。

01:45

One, I care關心 that you spell拼寫 it right.

35

93942

2675

其一，我在乎你正確的拼寫了它。

01:48

(Laughter笑聲) (Applause掌聲)

36

96617

5255

（笑）（鼓掌）

01:53

Just quick快 refresher複習, it's D-Y-K-E堤防.

37

101872

3422

快速複習，是D-Y-K-E。

01:57

You'd你 totally完全 be surprised詫異.

38

105294

2794

你會完全吃驚的。

02:00

And second第二, I don't care關心 about the word字,

39

108088

1659

其二，我不在乎這個詞，

02:01

I care關心 about how you use it.

40

109747

1608

我在乎你怎麼運用它。

02:03

Are you being存在 friendly友善? Are you just being存在 naive幼稚?

41

111355

2435

你是表現友善嗎？你只是天真嗎？

02:05

Or do you really want to hurt傷害 me personally親自?

42

113790

4015

亦或，你真的希望傷害我的個人感情？

02:09

Emotional情緒化 correctness正確性 is the tone音, the feeling感覺,

43

117805

4395

情感正確是那種語氣，感覺，

02:14

how we say what we say,

44

122200

2156

我們如何表達我們的語言

02:16

the respect尊重 and compassion同情 we show顯示 one another另一個.

45

124356

3252

我們互相表現的尊敬和同情

02:19

And what I've realized實現 is that political政治 persuasion勸說

46

127608

2554

我發現政治說服力

02:22

doesn't begin開始 with ideas思路 or facts事實 or data數據.

47

130162

4189

並不起源於想法或事實或數據

02:26

Political政治 persuasion勸說 begins開始 with
being存在 emotionally感情上 correct正確.

48

134351

4099

政治說服力開始於正確的情感

02:30

So when I first went去 to go work at Fox狐狸 News新聞,

49

138450

2644

所以，當我第一次在Fox News工作，

02:33

true真正 confession自白書,

50

141094

1568

真心的懺悔

02:34

I expected預期 there to be marks分數 in the carpet地毯

51

142662

2762

我期望地毯上會有暗號

02:37

from all the knuckle-dragging關節拖.

52

145424

2220

在總多環環相扣的圖案裏

02:39

That, by the way, in case案件 you're paying付款 attention注意,
is not emotionally感情上 correct正確.

53

147644

4664

那，順便說，期望引起你的注意
不是感情正確的

02:44

But liberals自由主義者 on my side側,

54

152308

2955

但是自由主義者是站在我這邊的

02:47

we can be self-righteous自以為是,
we can be condescending居高臨下,

55

155263

3063

我們可以自以為是，我們可以自滿

02:50

we can be dismissive不屑一顧 of anyone任何人
who doesn't agree同意 with us.

56

158326

2869

我們可以忽略其他不認可我們的人

02:53

In other words話, we can be politically政治上 right

57

161195

2837

換言之，我們可以是政治正確的

02:56

but emotionally感情上 wrong錯誤.

58

164032

2806

但是感情錯誤的

02:58

And incidentally順便, that means手段 that

59

166838

2643

順帶的，那意味著

03:01

people don't like us. Right?

60

169481

3495

人們不喜歡我們。是不是？

03:04

Now here's這裡的 the kicker踢球者.

61

172976

1955

現在，踢場者來了

03:06

Conservatives保守黨 are really nice不錯.

62

174931

2093

保守主義者真的很友善

03:09

I mean, not all of them,

63

177024

1694

我的意思是，不是他們的所有人

03:10

and not the ones那些 who send發送 me hate討厭 mail郵件,

64

178718

1972

不是發送給我仇恨郵件的人

03:12

but you would be surprised詫異.

65

180690

1791

你會驚訝的

03:14

Sean肖恩 Hannity漢尼提 is one of the sweetest甜蜜 guys

66

182481

2369

Sean Hannity是我見過的

03:16

I've ever met會見.

67

184850

1893

最貼心的人之一

03:18

He spends花 his free自由 time

68

186743

1595

他用他業餘時間

03:20

trying試 to fix固定 up his staff員工 on blind盲 dates日期,

69

188338

2608

嘗試安排相親

03:22

and I know that if I ever had a problem問題,

70

190946

1937

而且我知道如果我有問題

03:24

he would do anything he could to help.

71

192883

2989

他會盡其所能幫助我

03:27

Now, I think Sean肖恩 Hannity漢尼提 is

72

195872

2244

現在，我認為Sean Hannity是

03:30

99 percent百分 politically政治上 wrong錯誤,

73

198116

2703

百分之九十九政治錯誤的

03:32

but his emotional情緒化 correctness正確性
is strikingly驚人 impressive有聲有色,

74

200819

3448

但是他的感情正確，讓人印象深刻

03:36

and that's why people listen to him.

75

204267

2089

這就是為甚麼人民聽從他

03:38

Because you can't get anyone任何人 to agree同意 with you

76

206356

2453

因為你不會讓任何人認可你

03:40

if they don't even listen to you first.

77

208809

2863

如果他們事先沒有傾聽你的想法

03:43

We spend花 so much time talking說 past過去 each每 other

78

211672

2973

我們花費了如此多的時間談論過去

03:46

and not enough足夠 time talking說
through通過 our disagreements分歧,

79

214645

3178

不足的時間談論我們的分歧

03:49

and if we can start開始 to find
compassion同情 for one another另一個,

80

217823

3640

如果我們開始尋找相互憐憫

03:53

then we have a shot射擊 at building建造 common共同 ground地面.

81

221463

3585

我們就能成功建立共識

03:57

It actually其實 sounds聲音 really hokey虛情假意

82

225048

2109

雖然聽起來很做作

03:59

to say it standing常設 up here,

83

227157

1936

我只是站在這裡布教

04:01

but when you try to put it in practice實踐,

84

229093

2242

但是當你嘗試將它實踐

04:03

it's really powerful強大.

85

231335

1986

它充滿了力量

04:05

So someone有人 who says說 they hate討厭 immigrants移民,

86

233321

2879

所以有人說他憎恨移民們

04:08

I try to imagine想像 how scared害怕 they must必須 be

87

236200

2248

我嘗試想像他們一定有多麼恐懼

04:10

that their其 community社區 is changing改變
from what they've他們已經 always known已知.

88

238448

3088

他們的社區正在改變，早已不是曾經相識的樣子

04:13

Or someone有人 who says說 they
don't like teachers'教師' unions工會,

89

241536

3510

或者，有人說他們不喜歡教師工會

04:17

I bet賭注 they're really devastated滿目瘡痍 to see

90

245046

1915

我敢說，他們絕對會絕望的看到

04:18

their其 kid's孩子的 school學校 going into the gutter排水溝,

91

246961

1573

他們孩子的學校逐漸變成貧民窟

04:20

and they're just looking for someone有人 to blame怪.

92

248534

3100

他們只是尋找一個可以責怪的人

04:23

Our challenge挑戰 is to find the compassion同情 for others其他

93

251634

4298

我們的挑戰在於
找到對他人的同情心

04:27

that we want them to have for us.

94

255932

2655

我們同樣渴望從別人得到

04:30

That is emotional情緒化 correctness正確性.

95

258587

3078

那就是感情正確

04:33

I'm not saying話 it's easy簡單.

96

261665

1816

我不是說那很簡單

04:35

An average平均 of, like, 5.6 times時 per每 day

97

263481

2582

平均大概每天5.6次

04:38

I have to stop myself我 from responding響應

98

266063

1836

我不得不停下來回復

04:39

to all of my hate討厭 mail郵件 with a flurry慌張 of vile惡劣 profanities髒話.

99

267899

5184

所有收到的充滿低劣語言的憎惡郵件。

04:45

This whole整個 finding發現 compassion同情

100

273083

3029

所有這些尋找同情

04:48

and common共同 ground地面 with your enemies敵人 thing

101

276112

2048

與敵人的共識的事情

04:50

is kind類 of like a political-spiritual政治精神 practice實踐 for me,

102

278160

3201

對我像是一種政治精神練習

04:53

and I ain't不 the Dalai達賴 Lama喇嘛.

103

281361

3067

而且我不是Dalai Lama

04:56

I'm not perfect完善, but what I am is optimistic樂觀,

104

284428

5871

我並不完美，但是我是樂觀的

05:02

because I don't just get hate討厭 mail郵件.

105

290299

2317

因為我不只收到憎惡郵件

05:04

I get a lot of really nice不錯 letters信, lots of them.

106

292616

3296

我收到了很多極其美好的信，真的很多

05:07

And one of my all-time整天 favorites最愛 begins開始,

107

295912

2641

我一直以來最愛的一封信，這樣說道

05:10

"I am not a big大 fan風扇 of your political政治 leanings傾向

108

298553

2685

“我不是你政治學的超級粉絲

05:13

or your sometimes有時 tortured折磨 logic邏輯,

109

301238

5239

或者有時你的歪曲邏輯，

05:18

but I'm a big大 fan風扇 of you as a person人."

110

306477

3943

但是我是你個人的超級粉絲。“

05:22

Now this guy doesn't agree同意 with me, yet然而.

111

310420

3893

雖然這個人現在不贊成我

05:26

(Laughter笑聲)

112

314313

2975

（笑）

05:29

But he's listening聽, not because of what I said,

113

317288

3700

但是他在傾聽，不是因為我說了什麼

05:32

but because of how I said it,

114

320988

1906

而是因為我是如何表達的

05:34

and somehow不知何故, even though雖然 we've我們已經 never met會見,

115

322894

1577

而且，無論如何，儘管我們從沒相見

05:36

we've我們已經 managed管理 to form形成 a connection連接.

116

324471

2413

我們成功的建立了一種聯繫

05:38

That's emotional情緒化 correctness正確性,

117

326884

2310

那就是感情正確

05:41

and that's how we start開始 the conversations對話

118

329194

2685

那就是我們如何開始一種交流

05:43

that really lead鉛 to change更改.

119

331879

1924

引領著變革

05:45

Thank you.

120

333803

2473

謝謝

05:48

(Applause掌聲)

121

336276

4000

（鼓掌）

Translated by E Fan
Reviewed by Nan-Kun Wu

ABOUT THE SPEAKER

Sally Kohn - Political pundit
Sally Kohn searches for common ground among political foes by focusing on the compassion and humanity in everyone.

Why you should listen

Sally Kohn has a powerful vision for a more united United States. She's a columnist and a political commentator for CNN, and she is working on a book about hate that will be published in the spring of 2018. As a former contributor to Fox News, this progressive lesbian sparred with some of the most conservative minds on television and has sifted through hundreds of letters of hate mail a day. But she deeply believes in finding our common humanity, political differences aside. Before we can achieve political correctness, we must first establish emotional correctness — and this will ignite conversations that lead to real change.

Kohn has appeared on Fox, MSNBC and CNN and has written for The Daily Beast, Salon, The Atlantic and TIME Magazine.

More profile about the speaker
Sally Kohn | Speaker | TED.com

THE ORIGINAL VIDEO ON TED.COM

薩莉．科恩: 讓我們嘗試感情正確 | TED Talk | TED.com