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Sarah Jones: One woman, five characters, and a sex lesson from the future
莎菈‧瓊斯: 一個女人，五個角色，一堂未來的性教育課
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在這場演出中，飾演老師的莎菈瓊斯帶你進入未來的課堂，用2016年記錄下的五個人格，展示性工作的不同面向。這些人格包括：年長的家管、主修「性工作研究」的學生、應召女郎、當過修女的妓女、一名在脫衣舞吧參加單身派對的男子。用饒富意味的方式談論禁忌的話題，從裡到外翻轉了圍繞著性的文化建構。
Sarah Jones - Polymorphic playwright
Tony Award-winning monologist, UNICEF ambassador, firebrand and FCC-fighting poet -- Sarah Jones assumes as many roles offstage as on. Full bio
Tony Award-winning monologist, UNICEF ambassador, firebrand and FCC-fighting poet -- Sarah Jones assumes as many roles offstage as on. Full bio
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這戲劇叫「賣/買/日」。
00:12
This is a play called "Sell/Buy/Date."
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00:14
It's my first since "Bridge and Tunnel,"
which I did on Broadway,
which I did on Broadway,
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是我繼「橋梁和隧道」後的作品，
00:17
and this one, I -- thank you --
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而這次，感謝大家，
我為各位擷取了一段，
00:21
I've excerpted it just for you,
so here we go.
so here we go.
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那我們開始吧！
00:29
Right. Class, let's be absolutely certain
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同學們，在我們開始之前，
00:32
all electronic devices are switched off
before we begin.
before we begin.
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先確定所有電子設備都已經關機。
00:38
So class, hopefully you'll recognize
what you just heard me say as the -- ?
what you just heard me say as the -- ?
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大家應該知道我指的是...
非常好，就是請把手機關機，
00:43
Very good, the cellular
phone announcement.
phone announcement.
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00:47
Right? This was also known
as a mobile phone.
as a mobile phone.
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也就是所謂的移動電話。
00:51
So you'll remember, people of that era
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大家要記得那個年代的人，
00:53
would have had an external
electronic device, right,
electronic device, right,
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會去買一種電子設備，
00:58
something like this,
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長得像這樣，
01:00
and they all would have carried
one of these around with them,
one of these around with them,
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然後隨身攜帶，
而且最令他們害怕的，
01:03
and amongst their biggest fears
was the sheer mortification
was the sheer mortification
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就是手機在不對的時機響起。
01:06
that one of these might ring
at some inopportune moment.
at some inopportune moment.
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01:10
Right? So a bit of trivia
about that era for you.
about that era for you.
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稍微幫大家複習一下那個年代。
01:12
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
01:15
So the format of today's class is
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所以今天的課程，
01:17
I will be presenting multiple
BERT modules today
BERT modules today
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我會介紹幾個BERT模組，
01:21
from that period in history, right,
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取自我剛剛說的那個年代，
01:24
so starting circa 2016.
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大約是2016年。
01:26
And remember, this was
the very first year of the BERT program.
the very first year of the BERT program.
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要記住，BERT計畫也在這年開始，
01:31
So we've got quite a few
of these to get through.
of these to get through.
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所以我們有不少模組可以用。
01:33
Bear in mind, I will be living
into various different bodies,
into various different bodies,
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記住，我會進到不同的身體、
01:37
different ages,
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不同年齡，
還有當時所謂的人種、族群，
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also what were then called races,
or ethnic groups,
or ethnic groups,
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01:43
as you'll remember from Unit 1.
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我們在單元一介紹過的。
01:45
And -- (Laughter) -- and along
the gender continuum,
the gender continuum,
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而且，(笑聲)
在整個性別連續集，
01:48
I will be living into males as well.
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我可能會變成男生，
01:51
It was quite binary at that time.
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當時只有男女兩種分類。
01:52
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
01:54
Also, don't forget, we are reading
the book module
the book module
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不要忘了，
我們唸的是跟下禮拜，
性別有關的書本內容。
性別有關的書本內容。
01:57
for next week's focus on gender.
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01:59
Now, I know some of you
have requested the book in pill form.
have requested the book in pill form.
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我知道有些人要求「藥丸式課本」，
02:03
I know people still believe
ingesting it is better for retention,
ingesting it is better for retention,
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覺得身體消化以後記憶比較深刻，
02:08
but since we are trying to experience
what our forebears did, right,
what our forebears did, right,
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但因為我們是想體驗先人的生活，
所以我們還是試著，
用「眼睛」去學習，好嗎？
用「眼睛」去學習，好嗎？
02:13
let's please just consider doing
the actual ocular reading, okay?
the actual ocular reading, okay?
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02:19
And also, how many people
have your emotional shunts engaged?
have your emotional shunts engaged?
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有人現在戴著「情感阻絕器」嗎？
02:24
Right. Please toggle them off. Okay?
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那麻煩你們關掉好嗎？
02:26
I know it's challenging, but I want you
to be able to feel the entire
to be able to feel the entire
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我知道這不容易，
但我希望你們去感受
所有的、自然的情緒。
所有的、自然的情緒。
02:31
natural emo range, all right?
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02:33
It is essential to this
part of the syllabus.
part of the syllabus.
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這是這門課很重要的環節。
02:37
Yes, Macy?
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有問題嗎，梅西？
02:39
All right. I understand.
If you're unwilling to --
If you're unwilling to --
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好我知道了，如果你不想...
02:43
All right, well, we can discuss
that after class.
that after class.
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沒關係我們下課再談...
02:45
All right, we will discuss your concerns.
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好，我們再討論，
02:48
Just relax. Nobody's died
and gone to composting.
and gone to composting.
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放輕鬆，
不會有人死了拿去做肥料。
不會有人死了拿去做肥料。
02:52
Okay. After class. Okay? After class.
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沒事，下課再說好嗎？
我們還是趕快開始吧。
02:57
Let's just get started, okay.
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02:59
This first subject identified
as a middle-class homemaker.
as a middle-class homemaker.
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第一個受訪者是中產階級的主婦。
03:05
Remember, these early modules
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要記得這些早期的樣本，
03:07
in these people's full identities
were protected,
were protected,
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受測者的身份是保密的，
03:11
and this allowed them to speak
more freely on our topic,
more freely on our topic,
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他們才能暢所欲言，
03:15
which for many of them was taboo.
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畢竟當時有人視言論自由為大忌。
03:20
Okay honey, now,
I'm ready when you are.
I'm ready when you are.
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喔，親愛的，
你好了就開始吧。
你好了就開始吧。
03:23
No, sweetheart, I said,
I'm ready when you are.
I'm ready when you are.
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不是，親愛的，
我說，你好了就開始。
我說，你好了就開始。
03:28
I'm freezing.
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快冷死了。
03:30
It's like a meat locker in here
in this recording studio.
in this recording studio.
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這裡冷得像冷凍肉櫃。
03:33
I should have brought a shmata.
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我應該帶一件毯子來的。
03:35
All this fancy technology
but they can't afford heat.
but they can't afford heat.
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搞這麼多高科技，
結果連個暖氣都沒有。
結果連個暖氣都沒有。
03:40
What is he saying? I can't hear you!
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在說什麼？
我聽不到喔！
我聽不到喔！
03:43
I can't hear you
through the glass, honey!
through the glass, honey!
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我隔著玻璃聽不到你！
03:46
There you are in my ear.
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喔，聽到你的聲音了。
03:49
Oh, you can hear me?
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喔，你聽得到我啊？
03:51
The whole time.
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一直都有聽到。
03:53
Oh, yes, I am a little chilly.
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對啦，我覺得有點冷。
03:57
Yes, oh the cold is for the machines,
the new technology. Okay.
the new technology. Okay.
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冷氣是怕機器過熱啊？
高科技嘛，沒事。
04:03
Yes, now remind me again, you're recording
not only my voice but my feelings
not only my voice but my feelings
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你再說一次，
你除了在錄我的聲音，
你除了在錄我的聲音，
也錄了感覺和記憶，是吧？
04:09
and my memories? Right.
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04:12
Yes, BERT, yes, I read about it.
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BERT，對，我有印象，
04:14
Bio-Empathetic Resonant Technology.
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全名是「生物感知情緒共鳴」。
04:17
Right, right, so people will be able
to feel my experience
to feel my experience
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沒問題，清楚了。
所以其他人可以藉此，
感受我的經歷和記憶。
感受我的經歷和記憶。
04:22
and my memory? Okay.
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沒問題，我準備好了。
04:24
No, right, I'm ready.
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04:25
I just thought you were going to give me
a test to see how my memory's doing.
a test to see how my memory's doing.
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我以為你要測我的記憶力，
正要告訴你別忙了，
我記憶力超差。
我記憶力超差。
04:30
I was going to tell you you're too late,
it's already bad news.
it's already bad news.
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04:34
No, no, go ahead, honey.
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沒關係，繼續吧孩子。
04:37
Oh, that's the first question?
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喔，第一題是這個啊，
04:39
What do I think of prostitution?
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「我對賣淫有什麼想法？」
04:43
Are you soliciting me, young man?
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你在調戲我嗎，小子？
04:47
I've heard of May-December romances,
but what are you, about 20 years old?
but what are you, about 20 years old?
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我是聽過「老少配」，
但你才幾歲，20嗎？
但你才幾歲，20嗎？
04:53
Eighteen? Eighteen years.
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18？才18歲啊。
04:54
I think I have candies in my purse
older than 18 years old.
older than 18 years old.
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我那個年紀好像還在吃糖吧。
05:00
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
05:04
I'm teasing you, sweetheart.
No, I'm comfortable with any question.
No, I'm comfortable with any question.
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我在鬧你啦，年輕人。
我不會覺得不舒服。
我不會覺得不舒服。
05:09
Sure. So about the prostitution --
oh, sex worker, sex worker.
oh, sex worker, sex worker.
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所以關於賣淫...
喔，要叫「性工作者」。
喔，要叫「性工作者」。
05:15
No, just in my day, they called it
prostitution, not sex work.
prostitution, not sex work.
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我們以前沒有「性工作」這個說法。
05:19
Oh, because it includes pornography also?
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喔，所以拍A片也算？
05:22
Okay.
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知道了。
05:24
No, well, I guess when I was a girl,
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我只是記得我年輕的時候，
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we didn't really have
a name for that either.
a name for that either.
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好像也不會這樣說。
05:29
We would have said dirty magazines,
I suppose, or dirty movies.
I suppose, or dirty movies.
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頂多說黃色雜誌、三級片之類的。
05:34
Well, it's not like what you have
with the Internet.
with the Internet.
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當然跟現在網路上的不能比。
05:38
No, well, I don't mind sharing.
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沒差，我不介意講這個。
05:41
My late husband and I,
we were a very romantic couple.
we were a very romantic couple.
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我老公過世前和我非常恩愛。
05:47
Lots of tenderness, you understand.
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我們過得很幸福，你知道的。
05:51
Well, as you get older, you know,
at one point I thought my husband
at one point I thought my husband
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但人也會老，我開始覺得，
他需要吃點威而鋼助興，
05:55
might be helped by using
some of the pills men can take,
some of the pills men can take,
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06:01
but he wasn't interested in those,
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但他不想碰這些。
06:04
so I thought, what about maybe
watching an adult movie on the Internet?
watching an adult movie on the Internet?
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所以我想，
不然在網路上找些A片好了，
06:10
Just for inspiration, you understand.
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搞不好會有些「靈感」。
06:13
Well, at the time, neither of us
were very good on the computer,
were very good on the computer,
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當然我們都不太會用電腦，
06:18
so usually, if we needed help
with the Internet,
with the Internet,
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通常我們要上網的話，
06:21
we would just call our children
or our grandchildren,
or our grandchildren,
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就叫兒女或孫子、孫女來幫忙，
06:26
but obviously, in this case,
that wasn't an option,
that wasn't an option,
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但顯然這次不能這樣。
06:30
so I thought, I'll have
a look myself, just to see.
a look myself, just to see.
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那我只好自己試試看，
反正只是...
06:35
How difficult could it be?
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看個片嘛，能有多難？
06:38
You search for certain key words
and you look --
and you look --
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把關鍵字打進去一看，
06:41
Oh wow is right, young man.
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喔，我嚇了一跳，
06:43
You can't imagine what I saw.
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你想像不到那個的畫面。
06:46
Well, first of all, I was just trying
to find, you know, couples,
to find, you know, couples,
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首先呢，我只是想找兩個人的、
06:51
normal couples making love,
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一般情侶在做愛那種。
06:55
but this, so many people
together at one time.
together at one time.
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結果呢，
跑出來的是一群人一起。
跑出來的是一群人一起。
06:59
You couldn't tell which part
belonged to which body.
belonged to which body.
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你都不知道哪塊肉是誰身上的。
07:03
How they even got the cameras to
capture some of this, I couldn't tell you.
capture some of this, I couldn't tell you.
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我甚至不知道攝影機
怎麼有辦法拍到這些畫面。
怎麼有辦法拍到這些畫面。
07:07
But the one thing they didn't capture
was making love.
was making love.
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但他們唯一沒拍到的就是「做愛」。
07:14
There was lots of making of something,
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他們是在「做」些什麼沒錯，
07:19
but they took the love part
right out of it, you know, the fun.
right out of it, you know, the fun.
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但不包含愛，這才是重點。
07:23
It was all very extreme, you know?
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看起來很「極限」你知道嗎？
07:27
Like you would say,
with the extreme sports.
with the extreme sports.
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就是「極限運動」的那種「極限」。
07:31
Lots of endurance,
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是很持久，
07:34
but never tenderness.
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但完全沒有愛。
07:37
So anyway, needless to say,
that was $19.95 I'll never get back again,
that was $19.95 I'll never get back again,
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更不用說我白花了19.95塊美金，
07:44
but it only showed up on the credit card
as "entertainment services,"
as "entertainment services,"
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但信用卡帳單只會寫「娛樂支出」，
07:48
so my husband was never the wiser,
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所以我老公一直被蒙在鼓裡，
07:51
and after all of that,
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一直到...
07:55
well, you could say it turned out
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嗯可以說是，
07:57
he didn't need the extra
inspiration after all.
inspiration after all.
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一直到他踏進棺材都不知道。
好的，下個受訪者是一名年輕女性。
(掌聲)
(掌聲)
08:03
Right, so next subject is a young woman
-- (Applause) --
-- (Applause) --
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08:07
Next subject, class,
is a young woman called Bella,
is a young woman called Bella,
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下個受訪者，
是叫做貝拉的年輕女孩，
是叫做貝拉的年輕女孩，
08:10
a university student interviewed in 2016
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在2016年受訪時是大學學生，
08:14
during what was called
an Intro to Feminist Porn class
an Intro to Feminist Porn class
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在「女性主義成人片入門」的課堂上，
08:18
as part of her major in sex work
at a college in the Bay Area.
at a college in the Bay Area.
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在女性主義的大本營，
主修「性工作研究」。
主修「性工作研究」。
08:23
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
08:26
Yeah, I just want to, like,
get a recording of, like,
get a recording of, like,
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我也想要稍微錄一下，
08:29
you guys recording me,
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就像你們也在拍我。
08:31
like a meta recording, or whatever.
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像幕後花絮。
08:34
It's just like this whole experience
is just, like, really amazing,
is just, like, really amazing,
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這次的經驗，真的非常難得。
08:38
and I'd like to capture that
for, like, Instagram and my Tumblr.
for, like, Instagram and my Tumblr.
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想說拍下來，
上傳到我的Instagram和Tumblr。
上傳到我的Instagram和Tumblr。
08:42
So, like, hi guys, it's me, Bella,
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嗨大家，我是貝拉，
08:45
and I am, like, being
interviewed right now
interviewed right now
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我現在正在接受採訪，
08:49
for this, like, really amazing
Bio-Empathetic Resonance Technology,
Bio-Empathetic Resonance Technology,
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是一項新技術叫
「生物感知情緒共鳴」。
「生物感知情緒共鳴」。
08:55
which is, like, basically where they are,
like, recording, as you can see
like, recording, as you can see
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基本上他們呢，如你所見，
透過這些電極之類的，
09:01
from these, whatever, like, electrodes,
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09:03
the formation of, like, neuropeptides
in my hippocampus, or whatever.
in my hippocampus, or whatever.
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記錄我的海馬迴，
裡面的神經活動什麼的。
裡面的神經活動什麼的。
09:10
They will later be able
to reconstitute these
to reconstitute these
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之後他們就可以重新建構，
09:12
as, like, my own actual memory,
like actual experiences,
like actual experiences,
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我的記憶、我的感受，
其他人就可以，
知道我現在的感覺。
知道我現在的感覺。
09:19
so other people can, like,
actually feel what I'm feeling right now.
actually feel what I'm feeling right now.
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09:24
Okay. Okay.
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之類的，就是這樣。
09:26
So, like, hello, BERT person of the future
who is experiencing me.
who is experiencing me.
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哈囉，未來某個透過BERT，
正在感受我的人你好。
正在感受我的人你好。
09:32
This is what it feels like to be,
like, a college freshman,
like, a college freshman,
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這就是當大學新鮮人的感覺，
09:36
and also the, like, headache
that you are experiencing through me
that you are experiencing through me
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然後你現在可能有點頭痛，
09:41
is the, like, residual effect
of the Jell-O shots which I had last night
of the Jell-O shots which I had last night
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可能是因為我昨天，
吃太多酒果凍所以宿醉，
吃太多酒果凍所以宿醉，
09:48
at the bi-weekly feminist
pole dancing party
pole dancing party
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我昨天參加一周兩次的
女性主義鋼管舞派對，
女性主義鋼管舞派對，
09:51
which I cohost on Wednesdays.
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我是禮拜三的主辦人。
09:54
It's called "Don't Get All Pole-emical" --
(Laughter) --
(Laughter) --
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主題是「不要太嗆辣」。
(笑聲)
(笑聲)
09:57
and it's in Beekman Hall,
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地點是在畢克曼廳，
10:02
and, what else, like,
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然後還有什麼...
10:04
non-Jell-O shots are also
available for vegans,
available for vegans,
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我們也提供非果凍式的酒給素食者。
10:08
and, oh, okay, yeah, totally, yeah, we
should also focus on your questions also.
should also focus on your questions also.
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還有...
喔當然，我們回到你的問題。
沒錯，你也知道，
10:17
So for your record, I am, like,
a sex work studies major
a sex work studies major
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我主修「性工作研究」，
10:22
but minoring in social media
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副修「社群媒體」，
10:24
with a concentration
on notable YouTube memes.
on notable YouTube memes.
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主要研究YouTube的文化傳播現象。
10:27
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
10:30
Yes, well, of course, like,
I consider myself to be, like,
I consider myself to be, like,
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喔當然，我覺得我本人，
10:33
obviously, like, a feminist.
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很明顯就是女性主義者。
10:35
I was named for Bella Abzug,
who was, like, a famous, like,
who was, like, a famous, like,
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我跟貝拉阿布朱格同名，
她是歷史上有名的，
她是歷史上有名的，
10:40
feminist from history,
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女性主義者。
10:42
and, like, also I feel that it is, like,
important to, like, represent women
important to, like, represent women
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然後我覺得，
替女性發聲很重要，
替女性發聲很重要，
10:49
who are, like, sex-positive feminists.
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尤其我們「性積極女性主義者」。
10:54
What is sex-negative?
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你問我什麼是「性消極」？
10:56
Well, like, I guess I would ask,
like, what do you think
like, what do you think
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嗯，那我就想問你，
你覺得「性消極」是什麼？
(笑聲)
(笑聲)
11:01
sex-negative is? (Laughter)
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11:04
Yeah, because, like, the terms that we use
are, like, so important, because, like,
are, like, so important, because, like,
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其實這些用詞很重要，
11:09
we call it sex work because it helps
people understand that, like, it's work,
people understand that, like, it's work,
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我們說「性工作」就是為了
讓一般人知道那是「工作」。
讓一般人知道那是「工作」。
11:16
and, like, you know, just like there are,
like, healthcare providers
like, healthcare providers
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就像醫護人員提供醫療，
11:21
and, like, insurance providers,
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保險業者提供保險，
11:23
like, we think of these workers
as, like, sex care providers.
as, like, sex care providers.
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我們覺得這些工作者，
也只是在提供「性照護」。
也只是在提供「性照護」。
11:30
Yeah, but like, I don't think of myself
like, providing direct
like, providing direct
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當然我不覺得，
我必須要去從事性工作，
11:34
sex care services per se as, like,
being a requirement
being a requirement
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才能幫性工作者講話。
11:38
for me to be, like, an advocate.
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11:40
Like, I support other women's right
to choose it voluntarily, like,
to choose it voluntarily, like,
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我是幫其他女性，
捍衛自由選擇的權利，
捍衛自由選擇的權利，
11:44
if they enjoy it.
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如果她們樂在其中。
11:46
Yeah, but, like, I see
myself going forward
myself going forward
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所以我覺得自己比較像是，
11:49
as more likely, like,
protecting sex workers',
protecting sex workers',
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想去保障性工作者的
11:53
like, legal freedoms and rights.
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法律上的自由和權利。
11:56
Yeah, so, like, basically,
I'm planning on becoming a lawyer.
I'm planning on becoming a lawyer.
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所以我基本上會去當律師。
12:02
Right, class. (Laughter) (Applause)
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好的，同學們。
(笑聲)(掌聲)
(笑聲)(掌聲)
12:03
So these next two modules
are also circa 2016.
are also circa 2016.
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接下來的兩個人
也是2016年左右錄的。
也是2016年左右錄的。
12:07
One subject is an Irishwoman
with a particularly noteworthy
with a particularly noteworthy
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其中一名愛爾蘭女性，
跟這次的議題切身相關。
12:11
relationship to this issue,
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12:14
but first will be a West Indian woman,
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但我們先看另一名
來自加勒比海的女性，
來自加勒比海的女性，
12:18
a self-described escort
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說自己是應召女郎。
12:20
who was recorded at a
sex workers' rights rally and parade.
sex workers' rights rally and parade.
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地點是在一場
關於性工作權的示威遊行。
關於性工作權的示威遊行。
12:26
She was interviewed whilst marching
in full carnival headdress
in full carnival headdress
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她受訪時戴著華麗的嘉年華頭飾，
12:30
and very little else.
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身上只有少少的布料。
12:36
All right, you want me
to start talking now.
to start talking now.
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好啊，你要我現在說嗎？
12:38
Yeah, I told you, you can
put those wires anywhere you want to
put those wires anywhere you want to
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沒關係，那些線你隨便黏，
12:41
as long as it don't get in the way.
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只要它不會「跑進去」。
12:45
Yeah, no, but, tell me again
what the name of -- BERT? BERT.
what the name of -- BERT? BERT.
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你再說一次這叫...BERT？
叫BERT。
叫BERT。
12:50
Yeah, I was telling you, you know,
I think I have in all my time
I think I have in all my time
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我做這行這麼久，
不只一個客人叫這個名字，
不只一個客人叫這個名字，
12:53
I have had at least one client with that
name, so this won't be the first time
name, so this won't be the first time
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所以這也不是第一次
我被BERT「佈滿」全身。
我被BERT「佈滿」全身。
12:56
I had BERT all over me.
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13:03
Oh, I'm sorry,
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抱歉，
但如果想採訪我，
你要再放開一點。
你要再放開一點。
13:05
but you got to get into the spirit of it
if you're going to interview me.
if you're going to interview me.
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可以嗎？跟著喊！
13:08
All right? You can say it.
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「沒正義，不平靜」
13:10
No justice, no piece!
No justice, no piece!
No justice, no piece!
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13:12
But you see the sign? You get it?
P-I-E-C-E. No justice, no piece of us.
P-I-E-C-E. No justice, no piece of us.
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你有看懂標語嗎？
沒有正義，
我們也不幫你「平靜」性慾。
我們也不幫你「平靜」性慾。
13:18
You understand?
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懂了吧？
13:20
Right, so that's the part
where I was telling you
where I was telling you
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所以我剛剛是要跟你說的，
13:23
is that when I first came to this country,
I worked every job I could find.
I worked every job I could find.
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我剛來到這裡時，
去做了每一份我能做的工作。
去做了每一份我能做的工作。
13:27
I was a nanny; I was a home care attendant
for all these different old people,
for all these different old people,
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我當過褓姆，也當過看護，
照顧一堆老人家。
照顧一堆老人家。
13:32
and then I said, child, if I have to touch
another white man's backside,
another white man's backside,
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然後我就想，
一樣要碰這些白人的下體，
一樣要碰這些白人的下體，
13:36
I might as well get paid
a lot more money for it than this,
a lot more money for it than this,
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我該找個可以賺多點的吧。
13:39
you understand?
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你懂我的意思嗎？
13:41
Pshh, you know how hard it is
being a domestic worker?
being a domestic worker?
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老天，你知道當看護多累嗎？
13:44
Some of these men, they're heavy.
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有些人根本過重。
13:46
You have to pick them up
and flip them over.
and flip them over.
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還要把他們抱起來再翻身。
13:49
Now, I let them pick me up
and flip me over, you understand?
and flip me over, you understand?
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我現在被他們抱起來翻身，懂嗎？
13:53
Well, you have to have a sense of humor
about it, that's what I think.
about it, that's what I think.
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生活要有點幽默感，
至少我是這麼認為啦。
至少我是這麼認為啦。
13:57
No, but see, listen,
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不然你去問，
13:59
you find me somebody who don't hate
some part of their job.
some part of their job.
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有誰真的百分之百
熱愛自己的工作。
熱愛自己的工作。
14:02
I mean, there's a lot of things
about this job that I hate,
about this job that I hate,
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當然我也不喜歡我的工作，
14:05
but the money is not one of them,
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但我愛它的收入。
14:07
and I will tell you, as long as this
is the best possibility
is the best possibility
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而且我告訴你，
這是我唯一的可能，
這是我唯一的可能，
14:09
for me to make real money,
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真的去賺到一點錢。
14:11
I am going to be Jamaican-No-Fakin'
if that's what they want to call me.
if that's what they want to call me.
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客人以為我是牙買加人，
我就是牙買加人。
我就是牙買加人。
14:15
No, I'm not even from Jamaica.
That's how they market me.
That's how they market me.
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我當然不是，
但他們是這樣推銷我的。
但他們是這樣推銷我的。
14:19
My family is from Trinidad
and the Virgin Islands.
and the Virgin Islands.
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我的家人在千里達和維京群島。
他們不知道我的職業，但又怎樣？
14:23
They don't know what I do,
but you know what?
but you know what?
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14:25
My children, they know
that their school fees are paid,
that their school fees are paid,
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我的小孩知道我幫他們付學費，
14:28
they have their books and their computer,
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他們買得起課本和電腦，
14:31
and this way, I know
that they have a chance.
that they have a chance.
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所以我知道他們以後有更多機會。
14:34
So I'm not going to tell you
that what I do, it's easy,
that what I do, it's easy,
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我不會跟你說我的工作內容，
沒什麼好說的。
沒什麼好說的。
14:37
I'm not going to tell you that I feel --
what's that you said, liberated?
what's that you said, liberated?
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我也不想說我的感覺，
你說的什麼「被解放」。
你說的什麼「被解放」。
我只覺得我賺到錢。
14:42
But I'm going to tell you
that I feel paid.
that I feel paid.
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14:46
Right. (Applause)
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好的。(掌聲)
14:50
Thanks, that's lovely,
and just the cup of tea, love,
and just the cup of tea, love,
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謝謝親愛的，
給我一杯茶就好，
給我一杯茶就好，
14:53
and just a splash of the whiskey.
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幫我加一點威士忌。
14:55
It's perfect, that's grand.
Just a drop more. A splash. Perfect.
Just a drop more. A splash. Perfect.
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太棒了，謝謝，
再多倒一些，對，完美。
再多倒一些，對，完美。
15:00
What was your name? Peter?
Is that right, so, Peter?
Is that right, so, Peter?
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你叫什麼？彼得？
我有叫對嗎？彼得？
我有叫對嗎？彼得？
15:03
Right. So that, that is
the unique part of it for me,
the unique part of it for me,
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對啊，
所以我算是比較特殊的吧。
所以我算是比較特殊的吧。
15:06
right, is that I ended up in both,
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我最後算是都有涉獵，
15:10
first in the convent, and then
in the prostitution after. That's right.
in the prostitution after. That's right.
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先是在修道院，
然後又在妓院。
然後又在妓院。
15:14
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
15:16
So one woman at the university
here in Dublin, she wrote about me.
here in Dublin, she wrote about me.
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有個在都柏林的女大學生寫到我，
15:20
She said, Maureen Fitzroy is the living
embodiment of the whore-virgin dichotomy.
embodiment of the whore-virgin dichotomy.
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她說「莫琳菲茲洛就是
既是處女又是妓女的真實案例」，
既是處女又是妓女的真實案例」，
15:25
Right? (Laughter)
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是這樣嗎？(笑聲)
15:27
Doesn't it sound like something
you need to go into hospital?
you need to go into hospital?
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聽起來比較需要去看醫師。
15:30
Well, I've got this terrible dichotomy.
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我如果被這樣歸類，
15:32
Doesn't it.
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不是嗎？
15:33
Right. Well, for me though, it was,
as a girl, it started with me dad.
as a girl, it started with me dad.
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我的故事是這樣的，
一開始都是我爸。
一開始都是我爸。
15:37
I mean, half the time, when he
spoke to us, it was just a sort of
spoke to us, it was just a sort of
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他對我們說的話幾乎一大半，
15:40
tell us we were all useless rotten idiots
and we had no morals, that type of thing.
and we had no morals, that type of thing.
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都在罵我們是爛白癡、
沒腦沒格調之類的。
沒腦沒格調之類的。
15:44
And I certainly didn't
do myself any favors.
do myself any favors.
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我也不太反抗。
15:48
By the time I was 16,
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到了我16歲，
15:50
I had started messing about
with this older fella,
with this older fella,
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我跟一個大叔搞上了。
15:53
and he wanted it to be
our little secret,
our little secret,
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他本來說這是我們之間的小秘密，
15:56
and I did as I was told, didn't I,
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我也很聽話地保密。
15:59
and when that got back to me dad, he
had me sent straightaway to the convent.
had me sent straightaway to the convent.
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結果我爸還是知道了，
他馬上把我送進修道院。
他馬上把我送進修道院。
16:06
Well no, that older fella, he would still
come to find me in the convent.
come to find me in the convent.
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結果呢，
那位大叔還是會跑來找我。
那位大叔還是會跑來找我。
16:11
Yeah, he'd leave me notes
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他會留字條給我，
16:12
tucked into the holes in the brick
at the back of the charity shop
at the back of the charity shop
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塞在二手店後面磚牆的石縫裡。
16:16
so we could meet.
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然後我們就能見面。
16:17
And he'd tell me how
he's leaving his wife,
he's leaving his wife,
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他跟我說他快跟老婆離婚了，
16:20
and I believed him, until I got pregnant.
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我相信他，直到我懷孕。
16:25
I did, Peter, and I left him a note
about it in our special place there,
about it in our special place there,
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相信我，彼得，
然後我也給他留了字條，
然後我也給他留了字條，
16:30
and I never did hear from him again.
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我再也沒有他的消息。
16:33
No, I gave it up for adoption
so it could have a decent life,
so it could have a decent life,
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我把孩子送養了，
讓他過好一點的生活。
讓他過好一點的生活。
16:39
and then they wouldn't let me
back into the convent.
back into the convent.
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但修道院也不讓我回去了。
16:42
No, my one sister Virginia gave me
a fiver for the coach to Dublin,
a fiver for the coach to Dublin,
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我妹給我五塊錢讓我來都柏林，
16:46
and that's how I ended up here.
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所以我才在這裡。
16:48
Well, surprise, surprise, I fell in love
with another fella much older than me,
with another fella much older than me,
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命運弄人啊，
我又愛上了一個大叔。
我又愛上了一個大叔。
16:53
and I always say I was just so happy
because he didn't drink,
because he didn't drink,
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本來還沾沾自喜，
嫁了一個不喝酒的好老公，
嫁了一個不喝酒的好老公，
16:59
I married the bastard.
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後來才知道嫁錯人。
17:02
Well, he didn't drink, but he did have
just the wee heroin problem, didn't he,
just the wee heroin problem, didn't he,
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是啊他是不喝酒，
但他會吸海洛因。
但他會吸海洛因。
17:06
and -- That's right, and before I knew it,
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在我發現他吸毒前，
17:09
he was the one who turned me on
to the prostitution, my own husband.
to the prostitution, my own husband.
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他就讓我去賣淫，我的丈夫。
17:13
He had me supporting the both of us.
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他讓我養家。
17:15
I was 18.
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我那年才18歲。
17:18
Well, it wasn't Pretty Woman,
I can tell you that.
I can tell you that.
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你以為會像「麻雀變鳳凰」嗎？
17:22
That Julia Roberts,
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如果茱莉亞羅勃茲，
17:25
if she'd ever had to sleep with a man
to put a few pounds in her pocket,
to put a few pounds in her pocket,
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是為了幾個臭錢要去睡男人，
17:29
I don't think she'd ever
have made that film.
have made that film.
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她才不會拍那部電影。
17:32
Well, for your record,
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只想跟你說，
17:34
my opinion of the legalization,
I'd say I'm against it.
I'd say I'm against it.
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性工作合法化，我反對。
17:38
I just, I don't care what
these young girls say.
these young girls say.
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我只是不在乎這些妹妹說的。
17:40
You know, living like that,
you're just lost,
you're just lost,
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那樣子過生活非常茫然。
17:43
and, you know, I'm 63 years old.
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我現在已經63歲了，
17:46
I'm still trying to find who I am.
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我還在問「我是誰？」
17:49
You know, I never was a wife or a nun,
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我從來不是一名妻子或是修女，
17:53
or a prostitute even, really, not really.
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甚至妓女，不完全是。
17:56
Nobody ever asked who I wanted to be.
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沒人問過我想當什麼，
17:59
They just told me,
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我受盡擺佈。
18:01
and if you legalize it,
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如果你讓它合法了，
18:03
then you're really telling these girls,
"Go on and get lost for a living,"
"Go on and get lost for a living,"
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就等於告訴這些妹妹，
「去吧，為了生計迷失吧！」
「去吧，為了生計迷失吧！」
18:07
and a lot of them,
they'll do as they're told.
they'll do as they're told.
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然後很多女生，
就會受人擺佈。
就會受人擺佈。
18:10
All right, so four perspectives
from four quite -- (Applause) --
from four quite -- (Applause) --
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好的，四個人物從非常...
(掌聲)
(掌聲)
18:15
four quite different voices there, right?
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非常不同的角度，對吧？
18:17
One woman saying sex itself is natural
but the sex industry seems to
but the sex industry seems to
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第一個女性說「性」本身很自然，
但性產業在圖利、販賣「性」。
18:22
mechanize or industrialize it.
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18:24
Then the second woman considered
sex work to be empowering,
sex work to be empowering,
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第二位女性認為，
性工作要被「賦權」、解放，
性工作要被「賦權」、解放，
18:29
liberating, and feminist,
though she, herself, notably,
though she, herself, notably,
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但是女性主義者如她，
18:32
did not seem keen to do it.
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也沒有想去做些什麼。
18:35
The third woman, who actually was
a so-called sex worker
a so-called sex worker
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第三位女性，
本身就是所謂的性工作者，
本身就是所謂的性工作者，
18:39
did not agree that it was liberating
but she wanted the right
but she wanted the right
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不同意解放的說法，
但她想要被賦予經濟權。
18:43
to the economic empowerment,
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18:45
and then we hear the fourth woman
saying not only prostitution itself
saying not only prostitution itself
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至於第四位女性，
覺得不只是賣淫這件事，
覺得不只是賣淫這件事，
18:48
but proscribed roles for women in general
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而是我們的社會剝奪了女性
18:50
prevented her from ever
finding who she was, right?
finding who she was, right?
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去追尋自我價值的角色。
18:54
So another fact most people did not know
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補充一個大家不太知道的訊息，
18:56
was the average age of an at-risk girl
being introduced to the sex industry
being introduced to the sex industry
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女性被帶入性產業的平均年齡，
19:02
was 12 or 13.
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是12到13歲。
19:04
Also consider that the age
when all girls in that society
when all girls in that society
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然後幾乎所有的女性，
19:07
first became exposed
to sexualized images of women
to sexualized images of women
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在更小的時候，
都接觸到了關於女性的性徵概念。
19:10
was quite a bit earlier, right?
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19:13
This was a doll called Barbie, right?
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4760
比如說芭比娃娃，對吧？
19:18
I initially thought she was an educational
tool for anorexia prevention --
tool for anorexia prevention --
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我本來以為她是預防厭食症的教具，
19:21
(Laughter) --
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(笑聲)
19:22
but actually she was considered by many
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結果大部分的人反而，
19:26
to be a wholesome symbol of femininity,
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覺得她是女性的「完美」形象，
19:30
and often young girls began
what was called dieting.
what was called dieting.
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年輕女生會因此節食。
19:33
Remember this? This was
restricting food intake on purpose
restricting food intake on purpose
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還記得節食嗎？
就是到了六歲左右，
開始刻意限制食物的攝取。
開始刻意限制食物的攝取。
19:37
by the age of six,
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19:39
and defining themselves
based on attractiveness
based on attractiveness
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大概也是在這個年紀，
19:42
by around that same time. Right?
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會用魅力定義自己。
19:43
Yes?
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有問題嗎？
19:45
Right, Bradley, okay, excellent point.
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布萊德利，好問題。
19:47
So there was a lucrative market
in that society in convincing all people
in that society in convincing all people
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因為商機龐大，
所以他們想說服大眾，
所以他們想說服大眾，
19:52
they had to look a certain way
to even have a sex life, right?
to even have a sex life, right?
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掌控大眾的審美觀，
甚至他們的性生活。
甚至他們的性生活。
19:56
But girls, especially, were expected
to be "sexy" while avoiding
to be "sexy" while avoiding
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但特別是女生，
在展現性的魅力時，
在展現性的魅力時，
一方面想要「性感」，
又不想被說「蕩婦」。
又不想被說「蕩婦」。
20:01
being perceived as "sluts"
for being sexual. Right?
for being sexual. Right?
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20:04
So there's that shame piece
we've heard about.
we've heard about.
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我們聽過不少案例。
20:07
Yes.
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還有嗎？
20:08
Valerie, right? Okay, very good.
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薇勒麗，說得好。
20:10
Of course, men were having sex as well,
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當然，男人也做愛，
20:13
but you'll remember from the reading,
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但你記得上次的講義說，
20:15
what were male sluts called?
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1681
放蕩的男性會被叫？
20:18
Very good, they were called men.
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對，還是叫「男人」。
20:20
(Laughter) (Applause)
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(笑聲)(掌聲)
20:22
So not easy living in
a world like that, right?
a world like that, right?
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想在當年生活不容易啊。
20:28
Though it was not all bad news either.
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當然也不全那麼糟。
20:30
Most women in the early 2000s
considered themselves empowered,
considered themselves empowered,
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21世紀初大部分的女性，
認為她們被賦權，
認為她們被賦權，
20:34
and men generally felt they were
also evolved in this area,
also evolved in this area,
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男性普遍也認為自己有在進步。
20:38
and, in fact, most people would have
been aware of issues
been aware of issues
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事實上，大部分的人
會關心人口販賣等議題。
會關心人口販賣等議題。
20:41
like human trafficking, for example,
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但他們不會把這些議題，
20:43
but they would have seen that
as quite separate
as quite separate
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和娛樂性的成人產業
聯想在一起。
聯想在一起。
20:45
from more recreational
adult entertainment.
adult entertainment.
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20:48
And so we'll just very briefly, class --
we don't have a lot of time --
we don't have a lot of time --
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所以我們趕快，
同學我們時間不多，
同學我們時間不多，
20:51
we'll just very briefly hear from a man
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我們趕快聽一位男性，
20:54
on our topic at this stage.
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對我們今天討論的看法。
20:55
So this next subject was interviewed
on the night of his bachelor party.
on the night of his bachelor party.
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他在自己的單身派對那晚被訪問。
21:03
Dude, can you, all right,
can you just keep it down?
can you just keep it down?
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3553
老兄，不好意思，
可以小聲一點嗎？
可以小聲一點嗎？
21:06
I'm trying to talk to BERT right now.
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我在跟BERT講話。
21:09
Oh, your name's not BERT.
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1593
喔，你不叫BERT。
21:11
BERT's the name of the, oh, all right.
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2275
BERT是這個計劃的名稱，知道了。
21:13
No, no, no, totally, it's totally fine.
I'm mostly sober,
I'm mostly sober,
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3065
沒事，別擔心，我沒醉。
21:16
so I just want to be helpful.
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希望我能幫上忙。
21:20
Yeah, and I totally believe in causes,
yeah, like, all that stuff.
yeah, like, all that stuff.
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我完全相信因果報應那套。
21:23
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
21:25
And actually, I'm wearing Toms right now.
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不瞞你說，我還穿 Toms 。
21:28
Yeah, Toms, like, the shoes,
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3606
就是 Toms 那個牌子的鞋。
21:32
like, you buy a pair and then
a kid in Africa gets clean water.
a kid in Africa gets clean water.
362
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3327
就是你買一雙，
非洲的孩子就有乾淨的水。
非洲的孩子就有乾淨的水。
21:36
Yeah. Totally.
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對，完全。
21:38
But what was the question again? Sorry.
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你剛剛問什麼？抱歉。
21:41
Of course I believe in women's rights.
I'm marrying a woman.
I'm marrying a woman.
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4708
我當然相信女人有權利，
我正要娶一個。
我正要娶一個。
21:45
(Laughter)
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2500
(笑聲)
21:48
No, but I mean, like, just because
I'm in a strip club parking lot
I'm in a strip club parking lot
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3629
不能這麼說，不能因為
我在脫衣舞廳的停車場，
我在脫衣舞廳的停車場，
21:52
doesn't mean that I'm, like,
a sexist or whatever.
a sexist or whatever.
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3024
就說我歧視女性之類的。
21:55
My fiancee is totally amazing,
she's totally a strong girl, woman,
she's totally a strong girl, woman,
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4412
我未婚妻就很棒，
完全是很堅強的女性、
又聰明，就是很完美。
又聰明，就是很完美。
21:59
smart woman, like, the whole thing.
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2495
22:01
Yeah, she knows I'm here. She's probably
at a strip club herself right now,
at a strip club herself right now,
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她知道我來這。
她自己可能也在另一家吧，
她自己可能也在另一家吧，
就好玩嘛，朋友辦的。
22:05
like, as a joke, same as me.
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1992
22:07
My best man, I told him
he could surprise me,
he could surprise me,
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我跟我伴郎說，
他可以準備一些驚喜，
他可以準備一些驚喜，
22:09
and he thought this would be hilarious,
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1317602
1995
他可能覺得這樣很好玩吧，
22:11
but this is not something.
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2103
但這其實沒什麼。
22:14
Yeah, we all went to B school together.
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2370
對，他是我商學院的同學。
22:17
Wharton.
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1480
華頓商學院。
22:18
(Laughter)
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1184
(笑聲)
22:19
Yeah, so, dude, can you guys --
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2447
欸你們那邊...
22:22
All right, but it's my bachelor party,
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1916
但今天我最大。
22:24
and I can spend it in the parking lot
with Anderson Cooper if I want to.
with Anderson Cooper if I want to.
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3508
我就是想在停車場
被安德森庫柏訪問。
被安德森庫柏訪問。
22:27
All right, I'll see you in there.
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好啦我馬上進去。
22:31
All right, okay, so Anderson,
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好的，大記者，
22:33
so, like, first of all, stripping,
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3897
首先，關於脫衣舞。
22:37
but then, like, all the other things
you're talking about,
you're talking about,
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2784
但那跟其他你說的，
賣淫那類的不能相提並論。
22:39
prostitution and all that stuff,
that's, like, not the same thing at all.
that's, like, not the same thing at all.
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3508
22:43
You know? Like, you keep calling it
the sex industry or whatever,
the sex industry or whatever,
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3256
就像你一直說是性產業，
22:46
but it's like, if the girl wants
to be an exotic dancer
to be an exotic dancer
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3946
但如果有個女生就是愛跳呢？
22:50
and she's 18, like, that's her right.
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3467
而且如果她成年了，這是她的自由。
22:55
Whoa, whoa, I hear what you're saying,
but I just feel like people,
but I just feel like people,
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3248
我有聽到你說的，只是覺得，
有人搞得好像男人都是獵食者，
22:58
they just want to make it seem
like all dudes are just, like, predators,
like all dudes are just, like, predators,
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3636
23:01
that we would just automatically
go to a prostitute, or whatever.
go to a prostitute, or whatever.
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3138
會自動去獵捕妓女什麼的。
23:05
Even, like, when I pledged, you know,
like when I rushed my fraternity.
like when I rushed my fraternity.
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4296
連我在起誓的時候，
兄弟會的那個儀式。
兄弟會的那個儀式。
23:10
My brothers who I'm close to,
those guys, they're all like me.
those guys, they're all like me.
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跟我很好的哥兒們，
我們都不是那種人，
我們都不是那種人，
23:13
We're just normal people, but, like,
there's this myth that you must
there's this myth that you must
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我們很普通，但不知道為什麼，
就一定要裝得很man，
說什麼不見色忘友之類的。
說什麼不見色忘友之類的。
23:17
be that guy who is kind of an asshole,
and like, all bros before hos or whatever.
and like, all bros before hos or whatever.
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4638
23:21
And actually, like, bros before hos,
it doesn't mean like what it sounds like.
it doesn't mean like what it sounds like.
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3715
當然說不見色忘友，
不是說不准談戀愛。
不是說不准談戀愛。
23:26
It's actually just like a joking way of
saying that you care about your brothers
saying that you care about your brothers
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3777
只是想換個方式，
要你關心你的兄弟，
要你關心你的兄弟，
23:30
and you put them first.
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2136
而且把他們放在重要的位置。
23:33
Yeah, but, you can't blame
the media, either.
the media, either.
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2110
而且你也不能怪媒體。
23:35
I mean, like, if you
go watch "Hangover 2,"
go watch "Hangover 2,"
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2534
比如說你去看「醉後大丈夫2」，
23:38
and you think that's an instruction manual
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2154
然後你覺得那就是你該過的生活，
23:40
for your life, like,
I don't know what to tell you.
I don't know what to tell you.
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那我還有什麼好說的？
23:42
You know? You don't
watch "Bourne Identity"
watch "Bourne Identity"
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懂我意思嗎？
你不會看完「神鬼認證」，
你不會看完「神鬼認證」，
23:44
and go drive your car
over a gondola in Venice. (Laughter)
over a gondola in Venice. (Laughter)
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就去威尼斯把車開上纜車頂。
(笑聲)
(笑聲)
23:49
Well, yeah, okay, like, if you're
a little kid or whatever,
a little kid or whatever,
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當然如果你是小孩子什麼的，
23:52
of course it's different, but --
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那就另當別論，可是，
23:54
Yeah, all right, I remember
one thing like that.
one thing like that.
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好，比如說我記得，
23:59
I was at this kid's house
one time playing GTA,
one time playing GTA,
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我記得小時候玩 GTA。
就是「俠盜獵車手」啊。
24:03
uh, Grand Theft Auto?
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24:05
Dude, are you from Canada? (Laughter)
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你加拿大來的喔？(笑聲)
24:09
So, like, whatever, with Grand Theft Auto,
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隨便啦，就是我們在玩，
24:12
you're this kid, like, you're this guy
walking around or whatever,
walking around or whatever,
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你就是電玩的主角，
在裡面晃來晃去，
在裡面晃來晃去，
24:16
and you can basically, like,
the more cops you kill,
the more cops you kill,
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基本上你殺越多警察，
24:19
the more points you get,
and stuff like that.
and stuff like that.
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就越高分這樣。
24:21
But also, you can find prostitutes
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當然裡面也有妓女，
24:24
and obviously you can do
sexual stuff with them,
sexual stuff with them,
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所以你也可以去嫖妓。
24:27
but you can, like, kill them
and take your money back.
and take your money back.
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但是你也可以
完事後殺了她們把錢拿回來。
完事後殺了她們把錢拿回來。
24:32
Yeah, this kid, I remember he ran over
a couple of them a few times with his car
a couple of them a few times with his car
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我記得我朋友有幾次用車去輾她們，
24:36
and he got all these points.
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然後得了不少分。
24:39
We were, like, 10, I think.
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我們那時候才10歲吧。
24:43
It felt pretty terrible, actually.
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其實感覺不太舒服。
24:46
No, I don't think I said anything,
I just finished playing and went home.
I just finished playing and went home.
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我記得我沒說什麼，
我玩完之後就回家了。
我玩完之後就回家了。
24:52
All right class, so then there were men
who had more than just
who had more than just
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好的同學們，
我們還有更多跟這個議題，
我們還有更多跟這個議題，
24:55
a passing relationship to this issue.
(Laughter)
(Laughter)
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更切身相關的男性受訪者。
(笑聲)
(笑聲)
下一位受訪者形容自己是，
24:59
The next subject described himself
as a reformed and remorseful pimp
as a reformed and remorseful pimp
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當過皮條客、洗心革面的心靈導師、
25:04
turned motivational speaker,
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25:06
life coach and therapist,
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人生導師和治療師。
25:08
but if you want to know more about him,
you'll have to come to the entire play.
you'll have to come to the entire play.
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但如果想聽他的故事，
就要到戲院來看囉。
就要到戲院來看囉。
25:12
Thank you so much,
you beautiful TED audience.
you beautiful TED audience.
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非常感謝，
你們是最棒的 TED 聽眾。
你們是最棒的 TED 聽眾。
我們「賣/買/日」見。
25:16
I will see you for "Sell/Buy/Date."
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25:18
(Applause)
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(掌聲)
ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Sarah Jones - Polymorphic playwrightTony Award-winning monologist, UNICEF ambassador, firebrand and FCC-fighting poet -- Sarah Jones assumes as many roles offstage as on.
Why you should listen
"Chameleon-like" barely describes the astonishing ease with which Sarah Jones slips in and out of the characters in her solo performances -- as many as fourteen personae in her Broadway hit Bridge & Tunnel. Critics marvel not only at her ability to perfectly mimic accents and mannerisms, but also to seemingly reshape her body, down to pupils and dimples, in the blink of an eye.
Jones' performances showcase a biting political awareness, and she has received commissions from Equality Now, the Kellogg Foundation and the National Immigration Forum to address issues of injustice and inequality. She is a UNICEF Goodwill Ambassador and has given multiple performances at the White House at the invitation of President and First Lady Obama. Jones is now at work on a new solo show called Sell/Buy/Date, commissioned by the Novo Foundation. She debuted material from it at TED2015. She is also working on a commission for Lincoln Center Theater and a television project based on her characters.
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