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Rick Warren: A life of purpose
華理克 (Rick Warren) 談為人生目的而活
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華理克牧師，《標竿人生》(The Purpose-Driven Life) 一書的作者，分享他在本書創下驚人銷量後，自己所面臨的危機。他解釋，他相信神的旨意，是要我們每一個人運用自己的天份和影響力，去多行善事。
Rick Warren - Pastor, author
Pastor Rick Warren is the author of The Purpose-Driven Life, which has sold more than 30 million copies worldwide. His has become an immensely influential voice seeking to apply the values of his faith to issues such as global poverty, HIV/AIDS and injustice. Full bio
Pastor Rick Warren is the author of The Purpose-Driven Life, which has sold more than 30 million copies worldwide. His has become an immensely influential voice seeking to apply the values of his faith to issues such as global poverty, HIV/AIDS and injustice. Full bio
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常常有人問我，
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I'm often asked,
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這本書最讓你驚訝的地方是什麼？
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"What surprised you about the book?"
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我回答，我能夠來寫這本書。
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And I say, "That I got to write it."
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我從沒想過，
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I would have never imagined that.
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再瘋狂的夢裡也沒有 －
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Not in my wildest dreams did I think --
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我從沒想過當個作家。
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I don't even consider
myself to be an author.
myself to be an author.
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也常有人問我，
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And I'm often asked,
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你覺得為何有這麼多人讀這本書？
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"Why do you think so many
people have read this?
people have read this?
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This thing's selling still
about a million copies a month."
about a million copies a month."
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到現在每個月還有大約一百萬本的銷量。
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And I think it's because
spiritual emptiness
spiritual emptiness
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我認為這是由於心靈的空虛，
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is a universal disease.
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已經成為普遍的通病。
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I think inside at some point, we put
our heads down on the pillow and we go,
our heads down on the pillow and we go,
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我想每個人都曾經把頭埋在枕頭裡，說：
「人生一定不只是這樣。」
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"There's got to be more
to life than this."
to life than this."
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早上起床，去上班，回家，看電視，
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Get up in the morning, go to work,
come home and watch TV,
come home and watch TV,
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上床睡覺，早上起床，去上班，回家，看電視，上床睡覺，
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go to bed, get up in the morning, go
to work, come home, watch TV, go to bed,
to work, come home, watch TV, go to bed,
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週末去參加派對。
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go to parties on weekends.
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很多人說：「我在過生活。」不，你不是在過生活 － 你只是活著。
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A lot of people say, "I'm living." No,
you're not living -- that's just existing.
you're not living -- that's just existing.
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只是活著。
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Just existing.
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我真的認為有一種內在的渴求。
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I really think that
there's this inner desire.
there's this inner desire.
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我相信 Chris 剛才說的，我相信你的存在不是偶然的。
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I do believe what Chris said;
I believe that you're not an accident.
I believe that you're not an accident.
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你的父母可能沒有計劃要生你，但是我相信神有。
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Your parents may not have planned you,
but I believe God did.
but I believe God did.
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有的人是意外成為父母的，這是事實。
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I think there are accidental parents;
there's no doubt about that.
there's no doubt about that.
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我不認為有「意外的小孩」。
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I don't think there are accidental kids.
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And I think you matter.
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我認為你很重要。
我認為你對神很重要，我認為你對歷史很重要，
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I think you matter to God;
I think you matter to history;
I think you matter to history;
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我認為你對這個宇宙很重要。
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I think you matter to this universe.
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And I think that the difference
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我認為這些生活層次的差異：
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between what I call the survival level
of living, the success level of living,
of living, the success level of living,
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生存的層次、成功的層次、
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and the significance level of living is:
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價值的層次，差異在於
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Do you figure out,
"What on Earth am I here for?"
"What on Earth am I here for?"
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你知不知道你來到世上到底是為了什麼？
我見到過很多非常聰明的人，
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I meet a lot of people who are very smart,
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and say, "But why can't I
figure out my problems?"
figure out my problems?"
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他們問：「可是為什麼我沒辦法解決自己的問題？」
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And I meet a lot of people
who are very successful,
who are very successful,
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我也見過很多非常成功的人，
他們問：「為什麼我感覺不充實？
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who say, "Why don't I feel more fulfilled?
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為什麼我覺得自己很虛偽？
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Why do I feel like a fake?
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Why do I feel like I've got to pretend
that I'm more than I really am?"
that I'm more than I really am?"
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為什麼我感覺
我必須假裝得比真正的自己更了不起？」
我認為這些最終都回歸到人生的意義、價值，人生的目的。
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I think that comes down to this issue
of meaning, of significance, of purpose.
of meaning, of significance, of purpose.
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I think it comes down to this issue of:
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我認為這要回歸到
「我為什麼在這裡？我在這裡做什麼？我要往哪裡去？」
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"Why am I here? What am I here for?
Where am I going?"
Where am I going?"
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這些不是宗教問題 －
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These are not religious issues.
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這些是人的問題。
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They're human issues.
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I wanted to tell Michael before he spoke
that I really appreciate what he does,
that I really appreciate what he does,
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我想對 Michael 說，
我很感謝他剛才所說的，
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because it makes my life work
a whole lot easier.
a whole lot easier.
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因為這讓我的工作容易多了。
身為牧師，我會遇到很多怪人。
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As a pastor, I do see a lot of kooks.
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我發現在生活中的任何領域，都可能出現怪人。
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And I have learned that there are
kooks in every area of life.
kooks in every area of life.
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宗教在這一方面
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Religion doesn't have a monopoly on that,
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沒有獨大的特權，但是的確有不少宗教怪人。
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but there are plenty of religious kooks.
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There are secular kooks;
there are smart kooks, dumb kooks.
there are smart kooks, dumb kooks.
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也有非宗教的怪人、聰明的怪人、愚蠢的怪人。
有天一位女士來找我，
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There are people -- a lady
came up to me the other day,
came up to me the other day,
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拿著一張白紙 － Michael, 你一定會喜歡這個故事 －
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and she had a white piece of paper --
Michael, you'll like this one --
Michael, you'll like this one --
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她問：「你看到了什麼？」
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and she said, "What do you see in it?"
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我看著那張白紙，說：「什麼也沒看到。」
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And I looked at it and I said,
"Oh, I don't see anything."
"Oh, I don't see anything."
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她說：「我看到耶穌。」然後哭著走了。
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And she goes, "Well, I see Jesus,"
and started crying and left.
and started crying and left.
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我說，ok, 很好。
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I'm going, "OK," you know? "Fine."
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嗯，
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(Laughter)
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很好。
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Good for you.
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過去這三年，這本書成為全球暢銷書，
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When the book became the best-selling book
in the world for the last three years,
in the world for the last three years,
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我也面臨到自己的小危機。
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I kind of had my little crisis.
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那就是，這件事的目的是什麼？
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And that was: What is the purpose of this?
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Because it brought in
enormous amounts of money.
enormous amounts of money.
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因為它帶來了龐大的金錢。
當你寫出全世界最暢銷的書，
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When you write the best-selling
book in the world,
book in the world,
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你會得到非常非常多的錢。
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it's tons and tons of money.
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And it brought in a lot of attention,
neither of which I wanted.
neither of which I wanted.
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還有很多的矚目，而這兩樣我都不想要。
我 25 歲成立 Saddleback 教會，
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When I started Saddleback Church,
I was 25 years old.
I was 25 years old.
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I started it with
one other family in 1980.
one other family in 1980.
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我和另外一家人在 1980 年共同成立教會。
我當時就決定我永遠不要上電視，
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And I decided that I was never
going to go on TV,
going to go on TV,
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because I didn't want to be a celebrity.
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因為我不想成為名人，
我不想成為所謂的「福音派」、「電視福音派」－
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I didn't want to be a, quote,
"evangelist, televangelist" --
"evangelist, televangelist" --
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那不是我會做的事。
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that's not my thing.
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And all of the sudden, it brought a lot
of money and a lot of attention.
of money and a lot of attention.
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突然之間，這本書帶來很多的金錢和矚目。
我不認為 －
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I don't think --
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now, this is a worldview,
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這是我的世界觀，我可以告訴你，每個人都有自己的世界觀。
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and I will tell you,
everybody's got a worldview.
everybody's got a worldview.
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每個人都將自己的人生押注在某件事物上。
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Everybody's betting
their life on something.
their life on something.
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你也將你自己的人生押注在某件事物上 －
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You're betting your life on something,
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你最好弄清楚自己為什麼押注在你所押注的這件事物上。
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you just better know why
you're betting what you're betting on.
you're betting what you're betting on.
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每個人都將自己的人生押注在某件事物上，
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So, everybody's betting
their life on something.
their life on something.
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And when I, you know, made a bet,
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而我下注的時候，我就是相信
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I happened to believe
that Jesus was who he said he was.
that Jesus was who he said he was.
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耶穌就是他自己所稱的那個人。
不過每個人都有 － 我相信在多元化的社會裡 －
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And I believe in a pluralistic society,
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每個人都押注在某件事物上。
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everybody's betting on something.
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我成立教會的時候，
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And when I started the church,
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you know, I had no plans
to do what it's doing now.
to do what it's doing now.
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我並沒有計劃要做教會現在做的這些事情。
當我寫完這本書，
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And then when I wrote this book,
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突然之間
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and all of a sudden, it just took off,
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大受歡迎，
我開始問，這件事的目的是什麼？
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and I started saying, now,
what's the purpose of this?
what's the purpose of this?
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因為我從來不認為，
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Because as I started to say,
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你能得到金錢或名氣，
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I don't think you're given money or fame
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目的是滿足你的自我意識。
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for your own ego, ever.
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我就是不相信。
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I just don't believe that.
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當你寫了一本書，書裡的第一句話是：
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And when you write a book
that the first sentence of the book is,
that the first sentence of the book is,
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「生命的重心不是在你」，
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"It's not about you,"
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然後，突然之間
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then, when all of a sudden it becomes
the best-selling book in history,
the best-selling book in history,
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這本書成為史上最暢銷的書籍，
你應該要明白，這件事的重點不是在於你。
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you've got to figure, well,
I guess it's not about me.
I guess it's not about me.
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That's kind of a no-brainer.
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不用動腦筋也該想到。
所以，究竟是為了什麼？
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So, what is it for?
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And I began to think about what I call
the "stewardship of affluence"
the "stewardship of affluence"
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我開始思考「財富的代管人」，
以及「影響力的代管人」。
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and the "stewardship of influence."
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我相信身為領導者，是要作代管人。
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So I believe, essentially,
leadership is stewardship.
leadership is stewardship.
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That if you are a leader in any area --
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如果你在任何領域居領導地位 －
在商界、政壇、體育、藝術、
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in business, in politics,
in sports, in art,
in sports, in art,
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學術界，任何領域 －
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in academics, in any area --
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你並不是所有者，
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you don't own it.
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而是代管人。
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You are a steward of it.
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For instance, that's why I believe
in protecting the environment.
in protecting the environment.
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舉例來說，這就是我為什麼相信環保。
這個地球不是屬於我的。在我出生之前它不是我的，
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This is not my planet.
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It wasn't mine before I was born,
it's not going to be mine after I die,
it's not going to be mine after I die,
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在我死後它也不會是我的。
我在這裡只會待上 80 年，僅此而已。
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I'm just here for 80 years
and then that's it.
and then that's it.
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有天我上談話節目進行辯論，
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I was debating
the other day on a talk show,
the other day on a talk show,
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挑戰我論點的人說：
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and the guy was challenging
me and he'd go,
me and he'd go,
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「牧師跟環境保護有什麼關係？」
06:09
"What's a pastor doing
on protecting the environment?"
on protecting the environment?"
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And I asked this guy, I said,
"Well, do you believe
"Well, do you believe
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我問他：「你相不相信
人類有責任
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that human beings are responsible
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為了下一代使這個世界變得更好？
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to make the world a little bit better
place for the next generation?
place for the next generation?
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你認為我們是不是應該負起代管人的責任，
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Do you think we have a stewardship here,
to take the environment seriously?"
to take the environment seriously?"
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認真看待環境議題？」
他回答：「不。」
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And he said, "No."
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我說：「你不這樣認為？讓我再問一次。
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I said, "Oh, you don't?"
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I said, "Let me make this clear again:
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你相不相信身為人類 － 我不是在談論宗教 －
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Do you believe that as human beings --
I'm not talking about religion --
I'm not talking about religion --
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你相不相信身為人類，我們有責任
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do you believe that as human beings,
it is our responsibility
it is our responsibility
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為了下一代來照顧地球，使它變得稍微好一點？」
06:41
to take care of this planet,
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and make it just a little bit better
for the next generation?"
for the next generation?"
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他說：「不。
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And he said, "No. Not any more
than any other species."
than any other species."
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我們的責任不比其它物種的大。」
當他說出「物種」，就顯露了他的世界觀。
06:50
When he said the word "species,"
he was revealing his worldview.
he was revealing his worldview.
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他說：「我對環境保護的責任，
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And he was saying,
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"I'm no more responsible to take care
of this environment than a duck is."
of this environment than a duck is."
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並不比一隻鴨子該負的責任大。」
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Well now, I know a lot
of times we act like ducks,
of times we act like ducks,
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有時候我們的行為的確很像鴨子，
但你並不是鴨子。
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but you're not a duck.
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你不是一隻鴨子。
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You're not a duck.
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而且你有責任 － 這是我的世界觀。
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And you are responsible --
that's my worldview.
that's my worldview.
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所以，你需要了解你的世界觀是什麼。
07:11
And so, you need to understand
what your worldview is.
what your worldview is.
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問題是，大多數的人從來沒有把自己的世界觀想清楚。
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The problem is most people
never really think it through.
never really think it through.
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他們從來沒有真正地把它
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They never really ...
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codify it or qualify it or quantify it,
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條理化，或定義它，或量化它，
然後說：「這就是我所相信的。
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and say, "This is what I believe in.
This is why I believe what I believe."
This is why I believe what I believe."
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這就是我為什麼相信我所相信的。」
對我個人來說，我沒有足夠的信心成為無神論者。
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I don't personally have
enough faith to be an atheist.
enough faith to be an atheist.
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但是你可能有。
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But you may, you may.
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Your worldview, though, does determine
everything else in your life,
everything else in your life,
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然而，你的世界觀，將會影響你生命中的所有一切，
因為它將影響你的決定，
07:42
because it determines your decisions;
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影響你的人際關係，
07:44
it determines your relationships;
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影響你的自信心。
07:47
it determines your level of confidence.
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它真的會影響你生命中的所有事。
07:50
It determines, really,
everything in your life.
everything in your life.
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我們所相信的，顯然 －
07:53
What we believe, obviously --
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07:55
and you know this --
determines our behavior,
determines our behavior,
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你也很清楚 － 影響我們的行為，
07:57
and our behavior determines
what we become in life.
what we become in life.
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而我們的行為將決定我們生命的樣貌。
08:03
So all of this money started pouring in,
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所以當這些錢開始湧進來，
08:06
and all of this fame started pouring in.
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名聲開始湧進來，
08:10
And I'm going, what do I do with this?
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我想，我要拿它怎麼辦？
我太太和我為這些錢的用途做了 5 個決定。
08:13
My wife and I first made five decisions
on what to do with the money.
on what to do with the money.
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我們決定，第一點，
08:18
We said, "First, we're not
going to use it on ourselves."
going to use it on ourselves."
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我們不會把這些錢用在我們自己身上。
我沒有去買更大的房子。
08:22
I didn't go out and buy a bigger house.
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我也沒買下旅館。
08:25
I don't own a guesthouse.
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08:26
I still drive the same four year-old
Ford that I've driven.
Ford that I've driven.
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我還是開著同一台車齡四年的福特車。
08:30
We just said, we're not
going to use it on us.
going to use it on us.
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我們就是不要把這些錢用在自己身上。
第二點，
08:33
The second thing was,
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我不再從我牧養的教會支取薪資。
08:36
I stopped taking a salary
from the church that I pastor.
from the church that I pastor.
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第三點，我算出過去 25 年教會付給我的薪資總額，
08:40
Third thing is, I added up
all that the church had paid me
all that the church had paid me
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08:43
over the last 25 years,
and I gave it back.
and I gave it back.
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然後還給教會。
我還給教會，是因為我不希望有人認為
08:46
And I gave it back because
I didn't want anybody thinking
I didn't want anybody thinking
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我做這些事是為了錢 － 我不是。
08:49
that I do what I do for money -- I don't.
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08:51
In fact, personally, I've never met
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說真的，我個人從來沒有見過
教士或牧師為了錢而做這份工作。
08:55
a priest or a pastor or a minister
who does it for money.
who does it for money.
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我知道有這種刻板印象存在。我一個也沒遇過。
08:58
I know that's the stereotype;
I've never met one of them.
I've never met one of them.
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09:01
Believe me, there's a whole lot
easier ways to make money.
easier ways to make money.
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相信我，有太多更容易賺錢的方法了。
09:05
Pastors are like on 24 hours-a-day call,
they're like doctors.
they're like doctors.
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牧師要 24 小時待命，就像醫生一樣。
我今天來得晚了，我原先希望昨天就來的，
09:09
I left late today -- I'd hoped
to be here yesterday --
to be here yesterday --
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因為現在可能是我岳父生命的最後 48 小時，
09:13
because my father-in-law
is in his last, probably, 48 hours
is in his last, probably, 48 hours
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他隨時可能死於癌症。
09:16
before he dies of cancer.
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我看著這個人過完自己的一生 －
09:18
And I'm watching a guy
who's lived his life --
who's lived his life --
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09:21
he's now in his mid-80s --
and he's dying with peace.
and he's dying with peace.
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他現在八十幾歲 －
面對死亡，心裡平和。你知道嗎，要考驗你的世界觀，
09:24
You know, the test of your worldview
is not how you act in the good times.
is not how you act in the good times.
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不是看你在順境中如何應對。
要考驗你的世界觀，要看你在喪禮時的應對。
09:30
The test of your worldview
is how you act at the funeral.
is how you act at the funeral.
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在參加過幾百場，甚至上千場喪禮之後，
09:35
And having been through literally
hundreds if not thousands of funerals,
hundreds if not thousands of funerals,
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我知道這真的有差別。
09:39
it makes a difference.
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你相信什麼，會產生分別的。
09:41
It makes a difference what you believe.
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所以，我們把薪資還給教會，
09:44
So, we gave it all back,
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然後成立了三個基金會，
09:48
and then we set up three foundations,
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針對世界上的一些重大問題：
09:51
working on some of the major
problems of the world:
problems of the world:
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文盲、貧窮、流行疫症 － 尤其是 HIV/AIDS --
09:53
illiteracy, poverty, pandemic diseases --
particularly HIV/AIDS --
particularly HIV/AIDS --
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成立了三個基金會，
09:59
and set up these three foundations,
and put the money into that.
and put the money into that.
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把錢用在這裡。
最後一點，我們開始「逆向什一奉獻」。
10:03
The last thing we did is we became
what I call "reverse tithers."
what I call "reverse tithers."
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我太太和我剛結婚的時候，
10:07
And that is, when my wife
and I got married 30 years ago,
and I got married 30 years ago,
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那是 30 年前，
我們開始什一奉獻。
10:15
we started tithing.
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10:17
Now, that's a principle in the Bible
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這是聖經裡教導的一項原則，
將所得的十分之一捐出來，
10:20
that says give 10 percent
of what you get back to charity,
of what you get back to charity,
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幫助其他人。
10:23
give it away to help other people.
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10:25
So, we started doing that, and each year
we would raise our tithe one percent.
we would raise our tithe one percent.
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我們開始這樣做，而且每一年增加百分之一。
10:29
So, our first year of marriage
we went to 11 percent,
we went to 11 percent,
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所以我們結婚一年後，開始奉獻 11%,
結婚兩年後，奉獻 12%,
10:32
second year we went to 12 percent,
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結婚三年後，奉獻 13%,
10:34
and the third year we went to 13 percent,
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10:36
and on and on and on.
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以此類推。為什麼我要這麼做呢？
10:39
Why did I do that?
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因為每一次我奉獻，
10:40
Because every time I give,
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我就能掙脫物質對我生活的綑綁。
10:42
it breaks the grip
of materialism in my life.
of materialism in my life.
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物質主義就是要得到東西 － 要、要、要，越多越好，
10:46
Materialism is all about getting --
get, get, get, get all you can,
get, get, get, get all you can,
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越要越多，貪得無厭。
10:50
can all you get, sit on the can
and spoil the rest.
and spoil the rest.
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唯一的目標就是要擁有更多。
10:54
It's all about more, having more.
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我們認為好的生活是，看上去很體面。
10:58
And we think that the good life
is actually looking good --
is actually looking good --
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這是最重要的 － 看起來體面，
11:02
that's most important of all --
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11:04
looking good, feeling good
and having the goods.
and having the goods.
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感覺很好，擁有物質的滿足。
但這並不是好的生活。
11:08
But that's not the good life.
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我常見到擁有全部這些的人，
11:10
I meet people all the time who have
those, and they're not necessarily happy.
those, and they're not necessarily happy.
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但他們不見得快樂。
如果金錢能使人快樂，
11:14
If money actually made you happy,
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11:17
then the wealthiest people
in the world would be the happiest.
in the world would be the happiest.
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那麼世界上最有錢的人應該是最快樂的人。
而我知道，親身見證，並不真是這樣。
11:19
And that I know, personally,
I know, is not true.
I know, is not true.
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11:22
It's just not true.
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並不是這樣。
11:25
So, the good life is not about looking
good, feeling good or having the goods,
good, feeling good or having the goods,
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所以，好的生活並不是看起來體面、感覺很好、物質上滿足，
11:28
it's about being good and doing good.
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而是做好人、做好事。
奉獻你的人生。
11:32
Giving your life away.
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人生的價值並不是來自地位，
11:34
Significance in life
doesn't come from status,
doesn't come from status,
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因為總是有其他人的地位高過你。
11:38
because you can always find
somebody who's got more than you.
somebody who's got more than you.
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也不是來自性愛、
11:41
It doesn't come from sex.
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11:42
It doesn't come from salary.
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不是來自薪資。
是來自於服務。
11:45
It comes from serving.
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只有在奉獻人生時，我們才能發現它的意義，
11:47
It is in giving our lives away
that we find meaning,
that we find meaning,
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找到人生的價值。
11:50
we find significance.
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11:52
That's the way we were wired,
I believe, by God.
I believe, by God.
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我們生來就是這樣，我相信是神這樣設計的。
11:57
And so we began to give away,
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我太太和我開始奉獻，
12:00
and now after 30 years,
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到現在過了 30 年後，
12:02
my wife and I are reverse tithers --
we give away 90 percent and live on 10.
we give away 90 percent and live on 10.
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我們開始逆向什一奉獻，奉獻 90%, 靠 10% 過活。
這是簡單的部份。
12:07
That, actually, was the easy part.
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12:08
The hard part is, what do I do
with all this attention?
with all this attention?
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困難的是，我該拿這些矚目的目光怎麼辦？
因為我開始接到各式各樣的邀請。
12:12
Because I started getting
all kinds of invitations.
all kinds of invitations.
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我剛結束長達一個月的巡迴演講，
12:15
I just came off a nearly
month-long speaking tour
month-long speaking tour
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行程涵蓋三大洲，
12:19
on three different continents,
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我不打算談細節，
12:21
and I won't go into that,
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但它的確是很不可思議的事情。
12:23
but it was an amazing thing.
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所以我在想，我該怎麼樣
12:26
And I'm going, what do I do
with this notoriety
with this notoriety
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應付這本書帶來的知名度？
12:30
that the book has brought?
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12:32
And, being a pastor,
I started reading the Bible.
I started reading the Bible.
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身為牧師，我開始讀聖經。
聖經裡有一個章節，詩篇第 72 篇，
12:36
There's a chapter in the Bible
called Psalm 72,
called Psalm 72,
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這是所羅門王的祈禱文，祈求得到更大的影響力。
12:39
and it's Solomon's prayer
for more influence.
for more influence.
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當你讀到這篇祈禱文，
12:43
When you read this prayer,
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12:45
it sounds incredibly
selfish, self-centered.
selfish, self-centered.
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它聽起來非常自私、自我中心。
他像是在說，
「神啊，我要你讓我出名。」
12:49
He says, "God, I want you
to make me famous."
to make me famous."
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這就是他的禱告。
12:51
That's what he prays.
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他說：我要你讓我出名。
12:53
He said, "I want you to make me famous.
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12:54
I want you to spread the fame
of my name through every land,
of my name through every land,
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我要你讓我的名聲傳遍各國，
我要你給我權力，
12:57
I want you to give me power.
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我要你讓我出名，
13:01
I want you to make me famous,
I want you to give me influence."
I want you to give me influence."
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我要你給我影響力。
13:04
And it just sounds like the most
egotistical request you could make,
egotistical request you could make,
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這聽起來像是你所能想到的
最自我中心的禱告祈求。
13:08
if you were going to pray.
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不過當你讀完整篇，整個章節，
13:10
Until you read the whole psalm,
the whole chapter.
the whole chapter.
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他說，好讓國王 －
13:13
And then he says,
"So that the king ..." --
"So that the king ..." --
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他是當時的以色列王，那是以色列最昌盛的時候 －
13:15
he was the king of Israel
at that time, at its apex in power --
at that time, at its apex in power --
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好讓國王可以照顧孤兒和寡婦，
13:20
"... so that the king may care
for the widow and orphan,
for the widow and orphan,
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扶持受壓迫的、保衛無法自保的、照顧患病的、
13:24
support the oppressed, defend
the defenseless, care for the sick,
the defenseless, care for the sick,
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幫助窮苦的、為外族人
13:28
assist the poor,
speak up for the foreigner,
speak up for the foreigner,
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13:32
those in prison."
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和遭監禁的發聲。
13:34
Basically, he's talking about
all the marginalized in society.
all the marginalized in society.
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他在談社會的弱勢族群。
當我讀到這裡，
13:37
And as I read that,
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我看著它，我想到，
13:39
I looked at it, and I thought, you know,
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13:42
what this is saying is that the purpose
of influence is to speak up
of influence is to speak up
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這是在說，影響力的目的
是為那些沒有力量的人發聲。
13:46
for those who have no influence.
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影響力的目的不是要抬高你的自我意識，
13:50
The purpose of influence
is not to build your ego.
is not to build your ego.
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或你的個人身價。
13:55
Or your net worth.
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順帶一提，你的個人身價
13:57
And, by the way, your net worth is not
the same thing as your self-worth.
the same thing as your self-worth.
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跟你的個人價值是完全不同的。
14:00
Your value is not based on your valuables.
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你的價值並不是取決於你擁有的物品價值，
14:06
It's based on a whole
different set of things.
different set of things.
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而是取決於完全不同的一套價值標準。
14:08
And so the purpose
of influence is to speak up
of influence is to speak up
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所以影響力的目的，
是為沒有力量的人發聲。
14:11
for those who have no influence.
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而我必須承認，
14:13
And I had to admit:
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我不記得我上次想到孤兒和寡婦是什麼時候。
14:15
I can't think of the last time
I thought of widows and orphans.
I thought of widows and orphans.
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他們不在我的關注範圍內。
14:18
They're not on my radar.
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我所牧養的教會位於美國最富裕的地區之一 －
14:21
I pastor a church in one of the most
affluent areas of America --
affluent areas of America --
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有很多設有門禁的高級社區，
14:24
a bunch of gated communities.
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教會裡有許多 CEO 和科學家。
14:26
I have a church full
of CEOs and scientists.
of CEOs and scientists.
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我可能五年也遇不到一個遊民。
14:30
And I could go five years and never,
ever see a homeless person.
ever see a homeless person.
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14:35
They're just not in my pathway.
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他們就是不在我的活動範圍內。
他們可能在離我 13 英里遠的 Santa Ana 區。
14:37
Now, they're 13 miles
up the road in Santa Ana.
up the road in Santa Ana.
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14:41
So I had to say, ok,
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所以我必須決定，
14:44
I would use whatever affluence
and whatever influence I've got
and whatever influence I've got
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我要運用我所得到的財富和影響力，
去幫助那些兩樣都沒有的人。
14:47
to help those who don't have
either of those.
either of those.
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聖經中有個關於摩西的故事。
14:52
You know, there's a story
in the Bible about Moses,
in the Bible about Moses,
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不管你相不相信它是真實的 －
14:55
whether you believe it's true or not,
it really doesn't matter to me.
it really doesn't matter to me.
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我真的不在乎。
14:58
But Moses, if you saw the movie,
"The Ten Commandments,"
"The Ten Commandments,"
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如果你看過電影《十誡》，
15:01
Moses goes out, and there's this
burning bush, and God talks to him,
burning bush, and God talks to him,
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摩西走到外面，有一叢燃燒的樹叢，然後神對他說話。
15:04
and God says,
"Moses, what's in your hand?"
"Moses, what's in your hand?"
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神說：「摩西，
你手裡有什麼？」
我想這是你會被問到的最重要的問題之一。
15:10
I think that's one of the most important
questions you'll ever be asked:
questions you'll ever be asked:
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你手裡有什麼？
15:14
What's in your hand?
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摩西說：「一根手杖。」
15:16
Moses says, "It's a staff.
It's a shepherd's staff."
It's a shepherd's staff."
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那是一根牧羊人的手杖。
15:21
And God says, "Throw it down."
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神說：「把它丟下。」
15:22
And if you saw the movie, you know,
he throws it down and it becomes a snake.
he throws it down and it becomes a snake.
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如果你看過電影，他把手杖丟下，它變成了一條蛇。
然後神說：「把它撿起來。」
15:29
And then God says, "Pick it up."
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然後他把它撿起來，
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And he picks it back up again,
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and it becomes a staff again.
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它又變回一根手杖。
我讀到這裡，我想，這到底是要說什麼？
15:37
Now, I'm reading this thing,
and I'm going, what is that all about?
and I'm going, what is that all about?
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到底在說什麼？好，我知道幾件事情。
15:41
OK. What's that all about? Well,
I do know a couple of things.
I do know a couple of things.
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第一，神施行神蹟，從來不是為了炫耀。
15:44
Number one, God never does
a miracle to show off.
a miracle to show off.
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絕不只是，「哇，很酷！」
15:48
It's not just, "Wow, isn't that cool?"
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還有，我的神不需要顯現在乳酪麵包上。
15:50
And, by the way, my God doesn't
have to show up on cheese bread.
have to show up on cheese bread.
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如果神要顯現，
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You know, if God's going to show up,
he's not going to show up on cheese bread.
he's not going to show up on cheese bread.
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他不會顯現在乳酪麵包上。
（笑聲）
15:57
(Laughter)
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好嗎？這就是為什麼我喜歡 Michael 剛才做的，
15:59
Ok? I just, this is why I love
what Michael does,
what Michael does,
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16:01
because it's like, if he's debunking it,
then I don't have to.
then I don't have to.
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因為如果他已經揭穿那些伎倆，我就不用再做一次。
16:06
But God -- my God --
doesn't show up on sprinkler images.
doesn't show up on sprinkler images.
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但是神 － 我的神 － 不會顯現在灑水器的圖像上。
16:10
He's got a few more powerful ways
than that to do whatever he wants to do.
than that to do whatever he wants to do.
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他有一些比這更高明的方法
可以完成任何他要做的事。
16:15
But he doesn't do miracles
just to show off.
just to show off.
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但是他行神蹟絕不只是為了炫耀。
第二，如果神問你問題，
16:18
Second thing is,
if God ever asks you a question,
if God ever asks you a question,
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他早已經知道答案是什麼了。
16:20
he already knows the answer.
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16:22
Obviously, if he's God,
then that would mean
then that would mean
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因為他是神。這就表示
16:24
that when he asks the question,
it's for your benefit, not his.
it's for your benefit, not his.
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神問你問題，是為了你好，不是為他自己。
神問：「你手裡有什麼？」
16:28
So he's going, "What's in your hand?"
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摩西手裡有什麼？
16:30
Now, what was in Moses' hand?
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16:32
Well, it was a shepherd's staff.
Now, follow me on this.
Now, follow me on this.
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有一根牧羊人的手杖。聽我解釋。
這根手杖代表摩西生命中的三樣東西。
16:36
This staff represented
three things about Moses' life.
three things about Moses' life.
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首先，它代表他的身份。
16:39
First, it represented his identity;
he was a shepherd.
he was a shepherd.
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他是牧羊人。這是他職業的象徵。
16:43
It's the symbol of his own occupation:
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我是牧羊人。這是他的身份、事業、工作的象徵。
16:46
I am a shepherd.
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16:48
It's a symbol of his identity,
his career, his job.
his career, his job.
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第二，這不只象徵他的身份，
16:51
Second, it's a symbol
of not only his identity,
of not only his identity,
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也代表了他的收入，因為他所有的資產都在羊群身上。
16:54
it's a symbol of his income, because all
of his assets are tied up in sheep.
of his assets are tied up in sheep.
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那個年代沒有人有銀行戶頭，
16:58
In those days, nobody had bank accounts,
or American Express cards, or hedge funds.
or American Express cards, or hedge funds.
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或是美國運通信用卡，或避險基金。
你的資產都在你的羊群身上。
17:03
Your assets are tied up in your flocks.
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所以那是他身份的象徵，也是收入的象徵。
17:06
So it's a symbol of his identity,
and it's a symbol of his income.
and it's a symbol of his income.
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第三點：那象徵著他的影響力。
17:09
And the third thing:
it's a symbol of his influence.
it's a symbol of his influence.
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牧羊人的手杖是用來做什麼的？
17:13
What do you do with a shepherd's staff?
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你可以拿手杖將羊從 A 點趕到 B 點，
17:16
Well, you know, you move sheep
from point A to point B with it,
from point A to point B with it,
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杖頭、杖尾都用得上，
17:20
by hook or by crook.
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用拉的或用趕的，各種方法。
17:22
You pull them or you poke them.
One or the other.
One or the other.
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所以，神是在說：
17:26
So, he's saying,
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「你要放下你的身份。
17:28
"You're going to lay down your identity.
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你手裡有什麼？你有身份，你有收入，你有影響力。
17:30
What's in your hand?
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17:31
You've got identity, you've got income,
you've got influence.
you've got influence.
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你手裡有什麼？」
17:34
What's in your hand?"
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然後他說：「如果你把它放下，我會將它變成活物。
17:36
And he's saying, "If you lay it down,
I'll make it come alive.
I'll make it come alive.
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我將要成就超乎你想像的事情。」
17:39
I'll do some things
you could never imagine possible."
you could never imagine possible."
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如果你看過《十誡》這部電影，
17:42
And if you've watched that movie,
"Ten Commandments,"
"Ten Commandments,"
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所有在埃及發生的奇蹟
17:44
all of those big miracles that happen
in Egypt are done through this staff.
in Egypt are done through this staff.
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都是透過這根手杖完成的。
去年，我受邀在 NBA 明星賽上演講。
17:51
Last year, I was invited to speak
at the NBA All-Stars game.
at the NBA All-Stars game.
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17:56
And so, I'm talking to the players,
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我對球員們演講，
18:00
because most of the NBA teams,
NFL teams and all the other teams
NFL teams and all the other teams
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因為大多數 NBA, NFL 和其他聯盟的球隊，
都根據這本書完成了標竿人生 40 天課程。
18:04
have done this 40 Days of Purpose,
based on the book.
based on the book.
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我問這些球員：「你手裡有什麼？
18:07
And I asked them, I said,
"What's in your hand?
"What's in your hand?
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你手裡有什麼？」我說：「你手裡有籃球，
18:12
So, what's in your hand?"
I said, "It's a basketball.
I said, "It's a basketball.
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這顆籃球代表你的身份，代表你是誰。
18:16
And that basketball represents
your identity, who you are:
your identity, who you are:
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你是 NBA 球員。它代表你的收入。
18:20
you're an NBA player.
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18:21
It represents your income:
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你靠這顆小球可以賺進很多的錢。
18:23
you're making a lot of money
off that little ball.
off that little ball.
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它也代表你的影響力。
18:26
And it represents your influence.
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18:28
And even though you're only going
to be in the NBA for a few years,
to be in the NBA for a few years,
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即使你在 NBA 的時間只有短短幾年，
18:31
you're going to be an NBA player
for the rest of your life.
for the rest of your life.
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但是你一輩子都是 NBA 球員。
這讓你擁有極大的影響力。
18:34
And that gives you enormous influence.
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所以，你要怎麼運用你所得到的這些東西？」
18:37
So, what are you going to do
with what you've been given?"
with what you've been given?"
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我想這也是我今天來到這裡的主要原因，
18:41
And I guess that's the main reason
I came up here today,
I came up here today,
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與各位非常聰明的 TED 會員見面，
18:46
to all of you very bright people at TED --
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就是要問：「你手裡有什麼？」
18:49
it is to say, "What's in your hand?"
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你已經得到的有什麼？
18:53
What do you have that you've been given?
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18:57
Talent, background, education,
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天份、背景、教育、
19:01
freedom, networks, opportunities,
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自由、人脈、機會、
財富、想法、創意。
19:05
wealth, ideas, creativity.
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19:08
What are you doing
with what you've been given?
with what you've been given?
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你要怎麼樣運用
你所得到的這些東西？
19:12
That, to me, is the primary
question about life.
question about life.
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對我而言，這是人生中最重要的問題。
19:16
That, to me, is what being
purpose-driven is all about.
purpose-driven is all about.
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對我而言，這就是為人生目的而活。
19:20
In the book, I talk about
how you're wired to do certain things,
how you're wired to do certain things,
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在書中，我談到你如何生來就適合做某些事，如何受塑造 (SHAPE),
19:24
you're "SHAPED" with -- a little acrostic:
Spiritual gifts, Heart,
Spiritual gifts, Heart,
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包括靈性恩賜 (Spiritual gifts), 心 (Heart),
19:27
Ability, Personality and Experiences.
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能力 (Ability), 性格 (Personality) 和經歷 (Experiences).
這些元素塑造了你。
19:30
These things shape you.
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如果你想知道你在人生中應該做些什麼，
19:32
And if you want to know what you ought
to be doing with your life,
to be doing with your life,
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你需要看看自己的樣貌 (SHAPE), 想想我生來適合做什麼？
19:35
you need to look at your shape --
"What am I wired to do?"
"What am I wired to do?"
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神怎麼會把你生成適合做某些事情，
19:38
Why would God wire you to do something
and then not have you do it?
and then not have you do it?
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卻不讓你去做？
如果你生來該做人類學家，你就會成為人類學家。
19:41
If you're wired to be an anthropologist,
you'll be an anthropologist.
you'll be an anthropologist.
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如果你生來該做海底探勘員，
19:44
If you're wired to be
an undersea explorer,
an undersea explorer,
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你就會成為海底探勘員。
19:46
you'll be an undersea explorer.
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如果你生來該做買賣，就去做買賣。
19:48
If you're wired to make deals,
you make deals.
you make deals.
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如果你生來該畫畫，就去畫畫。
19:50
If you're wired to paint, you paint.
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你知道當你做自己的時候，神會為你微笑嗎？
19:53
Did you know that God smiles
when you be you?
when you be you?
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我的孩子還小的時候 －
19:57
When my little kids --
when my kids were little --
when my kids were little --
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19:59
they're all grown now, I have grandkids --
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他們都大了，我已經有孫子了 －
我以前會坐在他們的床邊，
20:01
I used to go in and sit
on the side of their bed,
on the side of their bed,
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看著我的孩子們睡覺。
20:04
and I used to watch my kids sleep.
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我看著他們小小的身體一起一伏，
20:07
And I just watched their little bodies
rise and lower, rise and lower.
rise and lower, rise and lower.
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一起、一伏。
20:12
And I would look at them:
"This is not an accident."
"This is not an accident."
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我看著他們，想著：這絕不是偶然。
一起、一伏。
20:15
Rise and lower.
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光是看著他們睡覺，我就感到喜悅。
20:18
And I got joy out of just
watching them sleep.
watching them sleep.
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20:24
Some people have the misguided idea
that God only gets excited
that God only gets excited
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有的人有種誤解，認為神只有在你做
所謂「有靈性的事」的時候才會開心，
20:27
when you're doing, quote,
"spiritual things,"
"spiritual things,"
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像是上教會、幫助窮人，
20:29
like going to church or helping the poor,
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或是懺悔之類的事情。
20:32
or, you know, confessing
or doing something like that.
or doing something like that.
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其實，神看到你做自己的時候就感到愉悅。為什麼？
20:36
The bottom line is, God gets pleasure
watching you be you.
watching you be you.
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20:40
Why? He made you.
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他創造了你。當你做你生來該做的事情，
20:42
And when you do what you were made to do,
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他會說：「這才是我的好孩子。
20:45
he goes, "That's my boy! That's my girl!
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這才是我的好女孩。
你在運用我給你的天份和才能。」
20:49
You're using the talent
and ability that I gave you."
and ability that I gave you."
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我想建議你，
20:53
So my advice to you is:
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看看你手裡有什麼 －
20:55
look at what's in your hand --
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你的身份、你的影響力、你的收入 －
20:57
your identity, your influence,
your income --
your income --
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然後說：「人生的重心不是我自己，
21:01
and say, "It's not about me.
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而是怎麼讓世界變得更好。」
21:04
It's about making the world
a better place."
a better place."
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謝謝各位。
21:08
Thank you.
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ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Rick Warren - Pastor, authorPastor Rick Warren is the author of The Purpose-Driven Life, which has sold more than 30 million copies worldwide. His has become an immensely influential voice seeking to apply the values of his faith to issues such as global poverty, HIV/AIDS and injustice.
Why you should listen
Pastor Rick Warren is one of the world's most influential Christians. His Saddleback Church, founded in 1980, boasts a congregation of 22,000, and his Purpose-Driven Life is one of the best-selling books of all time. Warren's mission is to attack what he calls the five "Global Goliaths" -- spiritual emptiness, egocentric leadership, extreme poverty, pandemic disease, and illiteracy and poor education.
He teaches that doing good is the only way humans create significance in our lives. He and his wife famously became "reverse tithers," donating 90 percent of their considerable fortune to philanthropic causes. Warren is particularly passionate about fighting AIDS, and in 2006, his church hosted the second annual Global Summit on AIDS and the Church, attended by US Senator Barack Obama, among others (controversial within the evangelical movement, because Obama is pro-choice).
In recent years, Warren has become a prominent steward of social justice, speaking out on poverty relief and encouraging spiritual leaders to play a role in guiding the planet toward sustainability. (He even attended the premiere of An Inconvenient Truth, after meeting Al Gore and producer Lawrence Bender at TED2006.)
Given his global focus and considerable platform, Warren has become a sought-after advisor to world leaders, speaking at the United Nations, the World Economic Forum and the Council on Foreign Relations. His involvement in the 2008 Presidential election sparked controversy and praise from both sides; during the campaign trail, he hosted candidates John McCain and Barack Obama at Saddleback Church for a forum on moral issues. It was the first time McCain and Obama appeared together publicly as presidential candidates. When Barack Obama was later elected to office, he asked Warren to give the invocation at his inauguration.
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