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Johann Hari: Everything you think you know about addiction is wrong
Johan Hari (Johann Hari): Sve što ste mislili da znate o zavisnosti je pogrešno
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Šta u stvari dovodi do zavisnosti od bilo čega, od kokaina do pametnih telefona? I kako to možemo prevazići? Johan Hari je iz prve ruke video da naše trenutne metode nisu uspešne, dok je gledao svoje voljene kako se bore sa svojim zavisnostima. Zapitao se zašto tretiramo zavisnike na način na koji ih tretiramo i da li možda postoji bolji način. Kao što i deli sa nama u ovom ličnom govoru, njegova pitanja su ga odvela širom sveta i otkrila neke iznenađujuće i obećavajuće načine razmišljanja o ovom problemu starom jedan vek.
Johann Hari - Journalist
Johann Hari spent three years researching the war on drugs; along the way, he discovered that addiction is not what we think it is. Full bio
Johann Hari spent three years researching the war on drugs; along the way, he discovered that addiction is not what we think it is. Full bio
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00:12
One of my earliest memories
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Jedno od mojih najranijih sećanja je
00:14
is of trying to wake up
one of my relatives and not being able to.
one of my relatives and not being able to.
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kad sam pokušao da probudim
jednog svog rođaka i nisam mogao.
jednog svog rođaka i nisam mogao.
Bio sam dete i nisam razumeo zašto,
00:17
And I was just a little kid,
so I didn't really understand why,
so I didn't really understand why,
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ali kad sam odrastao,
00:20
but as I got older,
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shvatio sam da smo imali
zavisnost od droge u porodici,
zavisnost od droge u porodici,
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I realized we had
drug addiction in my family,
drug addiction in my family,
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including later cocaine addiction.
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uključujući i kasniju
zavisnost od kokaina.
zavisnost od kokaina.
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I'd been thinking about it a lot lately,
partly because it's now exactly 100 years
partly because it's now exactly 100 years
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Mislio sam puno o tome u zadnje vreme,
delom zato što je sada tačno sto godina
delom zato što je sada tačno sto godina
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since drugs were first banned
in the United States and Britain,
in the United States and Britain,
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od kad su droge prvi put
zabranjene u SAD i V. Britaniji
zabranjene u SAD i V. Britaniji
00:33
and we then imposed that
on the rest of the world.
on the rest of the world.
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i kasnije to prošireno na ostatak sveta.
00:36
It's a century since we made
this really fateful decision
this really fateful decision
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Prošao je jedan vek od kad
smo doneli sudbonosnu odluku
smo doneli sudbonosnu odluku
00:39
to take addicts and punish them
and make them suffer,
and make them suffer,
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da kažnjavamo zavisnike,
00:43
because we believed that would deter them;
it would give them an incentive to stop.
it would give them an incentive to stop.
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jer smo verovali da će ih to odvratiti,
dati im podsticaj da prestanu.
dati im podsticaj da prestanu.
00:48
And a few years ago, I was looking at
some of the addicts in my life who I love,
some of the addicts in my life who I love,
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Pre par godina, posmatrao sam
neke zavisnike koje volim
neke zavisnike koje volim
00:53
and trying to figure out
if there was some way to help them.
if there was some way to help them.
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i pokušavao da smislim
neki način da im pomognem.
neki način da im pomognem.
00:56
And I realized there were loads
of incredibly basic questions
of incredibly basic questions
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I shvatio sam da postoji gomila
neverovatno bazičnih pitanja
neverovatno bazičnih pitanja
00:59
I just didn't know the answer to,
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na koja nisam znao odgovor,
01:01
like, what really causes addiction?
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kao na primer: šta je uzrok zavisnosti?
01:04
Why do we carry on with this approach
that doesn't seem to be working,
that doesn't seem to be working,
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Zašto nastavljamo sa ovim pristupom
koji, izgleda, ne funkcioniše
koji, izgleda, ne funkcioniše
01:07
and is there a better way out there
that we could try instead?
that we could try instead?
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i da li postoji bolji način?
Pa sam onda pročitao svašta o tome
01:10
So I read loads of stuff about it,
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01:12
and I couldn't really find
the answers I was looking for,
the answers I was looking for,
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i nisam baš mogao da nađem
odgovore koje sam tražio,
odgovore koje sam tražio,
pa sam pomislio, okej,
sešću sa raznim ljudima širom sveta
sešću sa raznim ljudima širom sveta
01:14
so I thought, okay, I'll go and sit
with different people around the world
with different people around the world
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koji su prošli kroz to i proučavali to
01:18
who lived this and studied this
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i razgovaraću s njima i videti
da li mogu nešto da naučim.
da li mogu nešto da naučim.
01:20
and talk to them and see
if I could learn from them.
if I could learn from them.
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Nisam mislio da ću preći 50.000 km,
01:22
And I didn't realize I would end up
going over 30,000 miles at the start,
going over 30,000 miles at the start,
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ali jesam, i sreo sam
gomile različitih ljudi
gomile različitih ljudi
01:26
but I ended up going and meeting
loads of different people,
loads of different people,
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od transrodnog dilera kreka
u Braunsvilu, u Bruklinu,
u Braunsvilu, u Bruklinu,
01:29
from a transgender crack dealer
in Brownsville, Brooklyn,
in Brownsville, Brooklyn,
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do naučnika koji
daje halucinogene mungosima
daje halucinogene mungosima
01:31
to a scientist who spends a lot of time
feeding hallucinogens to mongooses
feeding hallucinogens to mongooses
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da vidi da li im se sviđaju -
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to see if they like them --
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i rezultat je da im se sviđaju,
ali samo u posebnim okolnostima -
ali samo u posebnim okolnostima -
01:36
it turns out they do, but only
in very specific circumstances --
in very specific circumstances --
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to the only country that's ever
decriminalized all drugs,
decriminalized all drugs,
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do jedine zemlje koja je
dekriminalizovala sve droge,
dekriminalizovala sve droge,
01:42
from cannabis to crack, Portugal.
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od kanabisa do kreka - Portugala.
01:45
And the thing I realized
that really blew my mind is,
that really blew my mind is,
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Ono što me je zaista zapanjilo je
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almost everything we think
we know about addiction is wrong,
we know about addiction is wrong,
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da je skoro sve što smo mislili
da znamo o zavisnosti pogrešno
da znamo o zavisnosti pogrešno
01:51
and if we start to absorb
the new evidence about addiction,
the new evidence about addiction,
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i ako počnemo da usvajamo
nova svedočenja o zavisnosti,
nova svedočenja o zavisnosti,
01:54
I think we're going to have to change
a lot more than our drug policies.
a lot more than our drug policies.
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mislim da ćemo morati da promenimo
i više od same politike prema drogama.
i više od same politike prema drogama.
01:58
But let's start with what we think
we know, what I thought I knew.
we know, what I thought I knew.
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Ali da počnemo sa onim
što smo mislili da znamo.
što smo mislili da znamo.
02:01
Let's think about this middle row here.
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Uzmimo srednji red, na primer.
02:03
Imagine all of you, for 20 days now, went
off and used heroin three times a day.
off and used heroin three times a day.
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Zamislite da svi vi uzimate heroin
20 dana, 3 puta dnevno.
20 dana, 3 puta dnevno.
02:07
Some of you look a little more
enthusiastic than others at this prospect.
enthusiastic than others at this prospect.
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Izgleda da su se neki obradovali
više ovoj mogućnosti od drugih.
više ovoj mogućnosti od drugih.
02:10
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
Ne brinite,
to je samo misaoni eksperiment.
to je samo misaoni eksperiment.
02:11
Don't worry,
it's just a thought experiment.
it's just a thought experiment.
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02:14
Imagine you did that, right?
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Zamislite da ste to uradili.
02:16
What would happen?
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Šta bi se desilo?
Ceo vek su nam pričali istu priču
o tome šta bi se desilo.
o tome šta bi se desilo.
02:17
Now, we have a story about what would
happen that we've been told for a century.
happen that we've been told for a century.
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Mislimo da, zato što heroin
sadrži hemijske navlake,
sadrži hemijske navlake,
02:21
We think, because there are
chemical hooks in heroin,
chemical hooks in heroin,
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as you took it for a while,
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ako ga uzimate neko vreme,
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your body would become
dependent on those hooks,
dependent on those hooks,
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vaše telo bi postalo
zavisno od tih navlaka,
zavisno od tih navlaka,
02:28
you'd start to physically need them,
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počeli biste da osećate fizičku potrebu
02:29
and at the end of those 20 days,
you'd all be heroin addicts. Right?
you'd all be heroin addicts. Right?
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i posle tih 20 dana, svi biste bili
zavisnici od heroina. Jel tako?
zavisnici od heroina. Jel tako?
02:33
That's what I thought.
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To je ono što sam ja mislio.
02:34
First thing that alerted me to the fact
that something's not right with this story
that something's not right with this story
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Prva stvar koja me je upozorila
da nešto nije u redu sa tom pričom
da nešto nije u redu sa tom pričom
je kad su mi objasnili.
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is when it was explained to me.
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02:40
If I step out of this TED Talk today
and I get hit by a car and I break my hip,
and I get hit by a car and I break my hip,
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Kad bih izašao sa TED-a danas
i udari me auto i polomim kuk,
i udari me auto i polomim kuk,
odveli bi me u bolnicu i dali bi mi
velike količine diamorfina.
velike količine diamorfina.
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I'll be taken to hospital
and I'll be given loads of diamorphine.
and I'll be given loads of diamorphine.
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02:47
Diamorphine is heroin.
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Diamorfin je heroin.
02:48
It's actually much better heroin
than you're going to buy on the streets,
than you're going to buy on the streets,
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To je u stvari mnogo bolji heroin
od onog koji ćete kupiti na ulici,
od onog koji ćete kupiti na ulici,
02:52
because the stuff you buy
from a drug dealer is contaminated.
from a drug dealer is contaminated.
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jer je onaj koji kupujete od dilera
kontaminiran.
kontaminiran.
Vrlo malo od toga je heroin,
02:55
Actually, very little of it is heroin,
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dok je onaj koji dobijate od lekara
medicinski čist.
medicinski čist.
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whereas the stuff you get
from the doctor is medically pure.
from the doctor is medically pure.
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I to bi vam davali tokom
dugog vremenskog perioda.
dugog vremenskog perioda.
02:59
And you'll be given it for quite
a long period of time.
a long period of time.
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Mnogi od vas u ovoj prostoriji
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There are loads of people in this room,
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nisu svesni da su već
uzeli prilično heroina.
uzeli prilično heroina.
03:04
you may not realize it,
you've taken quite a lot of heroin.
you've taken quite a lot of heroin.
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I svako ko gleda ovo širom sveta,
to se dešava.
to se dešava.
03:07
And anyone who is watching this
anywhere in the world, this is happening.
anywhere in the world, this is happening.
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Ako je ono što mislimo
o zavisnosti tačno -
o zavisnosti tačno -
03:10
And if what we believe
about addiction is right --
about addiction is right --
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ovi ljudi su izloženi svim tim
hemijskim navlakama -
hemijskim navlakama -
03:13
those people are exposed
to all those chemical hooks --
to all those chemical hooks --
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Šta bi trebalo da se desi?
Trebalo bi da postanu zavisni.
Trebalo bi da postanu zavisni.
03:15
What should happen?
They should become addicts.
They should become addicts.
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Ovo su proučavali vrlo pažljivo.
03:18
This has been studied really carefully.
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To se ne dešava. Primetićete
da vaša baka kojoj su zamenili kuk
da vaša baka kojoj su zamenili kuk
03:20
It doesn't happen; you will have noticed
if your grandmother had a hip replacement,
if your grandmother had a hip replacement,
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nije postala narkoman.
(Smeh)
(Smeh)
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she didn't come out as a junkie.
(Laughter)
(Laughter)
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Kad sam ovo saznao, bilo mi je čudno,
03:26
And when I learned this,
it seemed so weird to me,
it seemed so weird to me,
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toliko u suprotnosti sa svim što su
mi pričali i što sam mislio da znam,
mi pričali i što sam mislio da znam,
03:29
so contrary to everything I'd been told,
everything I thought I knew,
everything I thought I knew,
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da sam pomislio da ne može biti tačno,
sve dok nisam sreo Brusa Aleksandera.
sve dok nisam sreo Brusa Aleksandera.
03:33
I just thought it couldn't be right,
until I met a man called Bruce Alexander.
until I met a man called Bruce Alexander.
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On je profesor psihologije u Vankuveru
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He's a professor
of psychology in Vancouver
of psychology in Vancouver
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koji je izveo neverovatan eksperiment
koji će nam, ja mislim, pomoći
da razumemo ovaj problem.
da razumemo ovaj problem.
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who carried out an incredible experiment
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03:41
I think really helps us
to understand this issue.
to understand this issue.
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Profesor Aleksander mi je objasnio
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Professor Alexander explained to me,
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da ideja koju svi imamo o zavisnosti
03:45
the idea of addiction we've all
got in our heads, that story,
got in our heads, that story,
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potiče delom od niza eksperimenata
koji su rađeni u 20. veku.
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comes partly from a series of experiments
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To su vrlo jednostavni eksperimenti.
03:50
that were done earlier
in the 20th century.
in the 20th century.
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Možete ih izvesti večeras kod kuće
ako ste sadistički raspoloženi.
ako ste sadistički raspoloženi.
03:52
They're really simple.
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03:54
You can do them tonight at home
if you feel a little sadistic.
if you feel a little sadistic.
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Stavite pacova u kavez
i date mu dve flaše s vodom.
i date mu dve flaše s vodom.
03:57
You get a rat and you put it in a cage,
and you give it two water bottles:
and you give it two water bottles:
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U jednoj je samo voda, a u drugoj je voda
sa dodatim heroinom ili kokainom.
sa dodatim heroinom ili kokainom.
04:00
One is just water, and the other is water
laced with either heroin or cocaine.
laced with either heroin or cocaine.
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Pacovu će se skoro uvek više svideti
voda sa drogom
voda sa drogom
04:04
If you do that, the rat will almost always
prefer the drug water
prefer the drug water
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i skoro uvek će sebe ubiti vrlo brzo.
04:07
and almost always
kill itself quite quickly.
kill itself quite quickly.
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I to je to, jel' tako?
Mislimo da tako funkcioniše.
Mislimo da tako funkcioniše.
04:09
So there you go, right?
That's how we think it works.
That's how we think it works.
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70-tih godina, profesor Aleksander
je posmatrao eksperiment
je posmatrao eksperiment
04:12
In the '70s, Professor Alexander comes
along and he looks at this experiment
along and he looks at this experiment
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i primetio nešto.
04:15
and he noticed something.
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Rekao je: ah, pa mi stavljamo
pacova u prazan kavez.
pacova u prazan kavez.
04:17
He said ah, we're putting
the rat in an empty cage.
the rat in an empty cage.
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On nema šta drugo da radi
osim da koristi ove droge.
osim da koristi ove droge.
04:19
It's got nothing to do
except use these drugs.
except use these drugs.
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Hajde da probamo nešto drugačije.
04:21
Let's try something different.
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I napravio je kavez koji je nazvao
"Park za pacove",
"Park za pacove",
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So Professor Alexander built a cage
that he called "Rat Park,"
that he called "Rat Park,"
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koji predstavlja raj za pacove.
04:26
which is basically heaven for rats.
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04:28
They've got loads of cheese,
they've got loads of colored balls,
they've got loads of colored balls,
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Tu su imali sir, loptice u boji,
razne tunele.
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they've got loads of tunnels.
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I najvažnije, imali su puno prijatelja.
Mogli su imati seks.
Mogli su imati seks.
04:33
Crucially, they've got loads of friends.
They can have loads of sex.
They can have loads of sex.
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I dobili su obe flaše s vodom,
običnu vodu i vodu s drogom.
običnu vodu i vodu s drogom.
04:36
And they've got both the water bottles,
the normal water and the drugged water.
the normal water and the drugged water.
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04:41
But here's the fascinating thing:
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I evo fascinantne stvari:
04:44
In Rat Park, they don't
like the drug water.
like the drug water.
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u Parku za pacove, ne vole vodu sa drogom.
04:47
They almost never use it.
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Skoro nikad je ne koriste.
04:49
None of them ever use it compulsively.
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Nijedan je ne koristi kompulsivno.
04:51
None of them ever overdose.
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Nikad se nijedan ne predozira.
04:53
You go from almost 100 percent overdose
when they're isolated
when they're isolated
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Od 100 posto predoziranosti
kad su u izolaciji
kad su u izolaciji
do nula posto predoziranosti kad imaju
srećne živote i veze s drugima.
srećne živote i veze s drugima.
04:56
to zero percent overdose when they
have happy and connected lives.
have happy and connected lives.
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04:59
Now, when he first saw this,
Professor Alexander thought,
Professor Alexander thought,
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Kad je prvi put ovo video,
profesor Aleksander je pomislio:
profesor Aleksander je pomislio:
05:03
maybe this is just a thing about rats,
they're quite different to us.
they're quite different to us.
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možda je ovo samo kod pacova,
oni su prilično različiti od nas.
oni su prilično različiti od nas.
Možda ne tako različiti
kao što bismo voleli, ali ipak -
kao što bismo voleli, ali ipak -
05:06
Maybe not as different as we'd like,
but, you know --
but, you know --
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05:09
But fortunately, there was
a human experiment
a human experiment
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Srećom, postojao je eksperiment s ljudima
05:11
into the exact same principle happening
at the exact same time.
at the exact same time.
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po istom principu i u potpuno isto vreme.
05:14
It was called the Vietnam War.
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Zvao se Vijetnamski rat.
05:16
In Vietnam, 20 percent of all American
troops were using loads of heroin,
troops were using loads of heroin,
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U Vijetnamu, 20 posto američkih vojnika
koristilo je mnogo heroina
koristilo je mnogo heroina
05:20
and if you look at the news
reports from the time,
reports from the time,
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i ako pogledate novinske izveštaje
iz tog vremena,
iz tog vremena,
05:23
they were really worried, because
they thought, my God, we're going to have
they thought, my God, we're going to have
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bili su veoma zabrinuti, jer su mislili:
bože, imaćemo
bože, imaćemo
05:27
hundreds of thousands of junkies
on the streets of the United States
on the streets of the United States
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stotine hiljada narkomana na ulicama SAD-a
kad se rat završi;
to je bilo potpuno logično.
to je bilo potpuno logično.
05:30
when the war ends; it made total sense.
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05:32
Now, those soldiers who were using
loads of heroin were followed home.
loads of heroin were followed home.
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Ove vojnike koji su koristili heroin
pratili su po povratku kući.
pratili su po povratku kući.
Psihijatrijski časopis
uradio je detaljno istraživanje
uradio je detaljno istraživanje
05:35
The Archives of General Psychiatry
did a really detailed study,
did a really detailed study,
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o tome šta je s njima bilo posle.
05:38
and what happened to them?
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05:40
It turns out they didn't go to rehab.
They didn't go into withdrawal.
They didn't go into withdrawal.
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Oni nisu išli na rehabilitaciju
ni na odvikavanje.
ni na odvikavanje.
05:44
Ninety-five percent of them just stopped.
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95 posto njih je samo prestalo.
05:47
Now, if you believe the story
about chemical hooks,
about chemical hooks,
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Ako verujete u priču
o hemijskim navlakama,
o hemijskim navlakama,
05:49
that makes absolutely no sense,
but Professor Alexander began to think
but Professor Alexander began to think
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to nema uopšte smisla,
ali profesor Aleksander je pomislio
ali profesor Aleksander je pomislio
05:53
there might be a different
story about addiction.
story about addiction.
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da možda postoji
drugačija priča o zavisnosti.
drugačija priča o zavisnosti.
05:55
He said, what if addiction isn't
about your chemical hooks?
about your chemical hooks?
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Rekao je: šta ako zavisnost nema veze
sa hemijskim navlakama?
sa hemijskim navlakama?
05:58
What if addiction is about your cage?
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Šta ako zavisnost ima veze
sa vašim kavezom?
sa vašim kavezom?
06:01
What if addiction is an adaptation
to your environment?
to your environment?
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Šta ako je zavisnost prilagođavanje
vašem okruženju?
vašem okruženju?
06:04
Looking at this,
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Kad govorimo o tome,
06:05
there was another professor
called Peter Cohen in the Netherlands
called Peter Cohen in the Netherlands
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bio je još jedan profesor,
Piter Koen u Holandiji,
Piter Koen u Holandiji,
koji je rekao da to možda
ne bi trebalo nazivati zavisnošću.
ne bi trebalo nazivati zavisnošću.
06:08
who said, maybe we shouldn't
even call it addiction.
even call it addiction.
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Možda bi to trebalo nazvati: vezivanje.
06:11
Maybe we should call it bonding.
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06:12
Human beings have a natural
and innate need to bond,
and innate need to bond,
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Ljudska bića imaju
prirodnu potrebu za vezivanjem
prirodnu potrebu za vezivanjem
06:15
and when we're happy and healthy,
we'll bond and connect with each other,
we'll bond and connect with each other,
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i kada smo srećni i zdravi
stvaraćemo veze jedni s drugima,
stvaraćemo veze jedni s drugima,
06:19
but if you can't do that,
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ali ako to ne možete da uradite
06:22
because you're traumatized or isolated
or beaten down by life,
or beaten down by life,
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jer ste izolovani ili ste pretrpeli traumu
ili vas je život ophrvao,
ili vas je život ophrvao,
06:25
you will bond with something
that will give you some sense of relief.
that will give you some sense of relief.
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vezaćete se za nešto što vam
daje neki osećaj olakšanja.
daje neki osećaj olakšanja.
06:29
Now, that might be gambling,
that might be pornography,
that might be pornography,
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To može biti kocka, pornografija,
kokain, kanabis,
06:31
that might be cocaine,
that might be cannabis,
that might be cannabis,
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ali ćete se vezati za nešto
jer je to naša priroda.
jer je to naša priroda.
06:33
but you will bond and connect
with something because that's our nature.
with something because that's our nature.
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06:37
That's what we want as human beings.
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To je ono što želimo kao ljudska bića.
06:40
And at first, I found this quite
a difficult thing to get my head around,
a difficult thing to get my head around,
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U početku, ovo mi je bilo
teško da shvatim,
teško da shvatim,
06:43
but one way that helped me
to think about it is,
to think about it is,
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ali pomoglo mi je da razmišljam
na sledeći način.
na sledeći način.
06:46
I can see, I've got over by my seat
a bottle of water, right?
a bottle of water, right?
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Imam flašicu s vodom kod svog mesta.
06:49
I'm looking at lots of you, and lots
of you have bottles of water with you.
of you have bottles of water with you.
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I mnogi od od vas imaju
flašicu s vodom kod sebe.
flašicu s vodom kod sebe.
Zaboravite drogu.
06:53
Forget the drugs. Forget the drug war.
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06:55
Totally legally, all of those bottles
of water could be bottles of vodka, right?
of water could be bottles of vodka, right?
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Potpuno legalno, u svim ovim flašicama
može biti votka.
može biti votka.
06:59
We could all be getting drunk --
I might after this -- (Laughter) --
I might after this -- (Laughter) --
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Svi bismo mogli da se opijamo -
ja posle ovoga - (Smeh)
ja posle ovoga - (Smeh)
07:03
but we're not.
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ali to ne radimo.
Pošto ste mogli da platite zilion funti,
07:04
Now, because you've been able to afford
the approximately gazillion pounds
the approximately gazillion pounds
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koliko košta ulaz na TED, pretpostavljam
da možete da priuštite sebi
da možete da priuštite sebi
07:08
that it costs to get into a TED Talk,
I'm guessing you guys could afford
I'm guessing you guys could afford
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da pijete votku narednih šest meseci.
07:11
to be drinking vodka
for the next six months.
for the next six months.
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07:13
You wouldn't end up homeless.
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Ne biste završili kao beskućnici.
07:15
You're not going to do that,
and the reason you're not going to do that
and the reason you're not going to do that
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Ali nećete to uraditi, a razlog
07:19
is not because anyone's stopping you.
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nije to što vas niko ne sprečava
07:21
It's because you've got
bonds and connections
bonds and connections
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već zato što imate veze i odnose
zbog kojih želite da budete prisutni.
07:23
that you want to be present for.
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07:25
You've got work you love.
You've got people you love.
You've got people you love.
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Imate posao koji volite,
ljude koje volite.
ljude koje volite.
Imate zdrave odnose.
07:27
You've got healthy relationships.
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07:29
And a core part of addiction,
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A centralna stvar zavisnosti,
07:32
I came to think, and I believe
the evidence suggests,
the evidence suggests,
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mislim, i verujem da primeri pokazuju,
je nemogućnost da podnesete
da budete prisutni u svom životu.
da budete prisutni u svom životu.
07:34
is about not being able to bear
to be present in your life.
to be present in your life.
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07:38
Now, this has really
significant implications.
significant implications.
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To ima veoma značajne implikacije.
07:41
The most obvious implications
are for the War on Drugs.
are for the War on Drugs.
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Najočiglednije su one u Ratu protiv droge.
07:44
In Arizona, I went out
with a group of women
with a group of women
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U Arizoni sam izašao sa grupom žena
07:47
who were made to wear t-shirts
saying, "I was a drug addict,"
saying, "I was a drug addict,"
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koje su naterali da nose majice na kojima
piše "Ja sam bila zavisnik od droge"
piše "Ja sam bila zavisnik od droge"
07:51
and go out on chain gangs and dig graves
while members of the public jeer at them,
while members of the public jeer at them,
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i izađu u grupi, vezane, i kopaju grobove
dok im se javnost ruga
dok im se javnost ruga
07:56
and when those women get out of prison,
they're going to have criminal records
they're going to have criminal records
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i kada ove žene izađu iz zatvora,
imaće krivične dosijee,
imaće krivične dosijee,
08:00
that mean they'll never work
in the legal economy again.
in the legal economy again.
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što znači da više nikad neće raditi
u legalnoj ekonomiji.
u legalnoj ekonomiji.
08:02
Now, that's a very extreme example,
obviously, in the case of the chain gang,
obviously, in the case of the chain gang,
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Ovo je ekstreman primer, naravno,
u slučaju zatvorenika u lancima,
u slučaju zatvorenika u lancima,
08:06
but actually almost
everywhere in the world
everywhere in the world
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ali skoro svuda u svetu
08:08
we treat addicts to some degree like that.
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tretiramo zavisnike na sličan način.
Kažnjavamo ih. Ponižavamo ih.
Otvaramo im krivične dosijee.
Otvaramo im krivične dosijee.
08:10
We punish them. We shame them.
We give them criminal records.
We give them criminal records.
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Sprečavamo njihovo ponovno povezivanje.
08:13
We put barriers between them reconnecting.
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08:16
There was a doctor in Canada,
Dr. Gabor Maté, an amazing man,
Dr. Gabor Maté, an amazing man,
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Jedan doktor u Kanadi, dr Gabor Mate,
neverovatan čovek,
neverovatan čovek,
08:19
who said to me, if you wanted to design
a system that would make addiction worse,
a system that would make addiction worse,
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rekao mi je: ako želite da stvorite
sistem koji će pogoršati zavisnost,
sistem koji će pogoršati zavisnost,
08:23
you would design that system.
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stvorićete taj sistem.
08:24
Now, there's a place that decided
to do the exact opposite,
to do the exact opposite,
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Ali, postoji jedno mesto gde su rešili
da urade potpuno suprotno
da urade potpuno suprotno
08:27
and I went there to see how it worked.
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i otišao sam tamo
da vidim kako to funkcioniše.
da vidim kako to funkcioniše.
08:29
In the year 2000, Portugal had
one of the worst drug problems in Europe.
one of the worst drug problems in Europe.
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Godine 2000, Portugal je imao jedan od
najvećih problema s drogom u Evropi.
najvećih problema s drogom u Evropi.
08:33
One percent of the population was addicted
to heroin, which is kind of mind-blowing,
to heroin, which is kind of mind-blowing,
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Jedan procenat populacije je bio zavistan
od heroina, što je neverovatno
od heroina, što je neverovatno
08:36
and every year, they tried
the American way more and more.
the American way more and more.
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i svake godine su sve više i više
koristili američki način.
koristili američki način.
08:39
They punished people and stigmatized them
and shamed them more,
and shamed them more,
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Kažnjavali su ljude, žigosali ih
i ponižavali sve više
i ponižavali sve više
i problem se pogoršavao svake godine.
08:42
and every year, the problem got worse.
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08:44
And one day, the Prime Minister and
the leader of the opposition got together,
the leader of the opposition got together,
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I jednog dana, premijer
i vođa opozicije su se sastali
i vođa opozicije su se sastali
i rekli: ovako dalje ne možemo
08:48
and basically said, look, we can't go on
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sa zemljom u kojoj imamo
sve više zavisnika od heroina.
sve više zavisnika od heroina.
08:50
with a country where we're having
ever more people becoming heroin addicts.
ever more people becoming heroin addicts.
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Hajde da formiramo komisiju
od naučnika i doktora
od naučnika i doktora
08:53
Let's set up a panel
of scientists and doctors
of scientists and doctors
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da bismo smislili kako da rešimo problem.
08:56
to figure out what would
genuinely solve the problem.
genuinely solve the problem.
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I formirali su komisiju
koju je vodio dr Žoao Gulao
koju je vodio dr Žoao Gulao
08:58
And they set up a panel led by
an amazing man called Dr. João Goulão,
an amazing man called Dr. João Goulão,
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da prouče sve ove nove dokaze
09:01
to look at all this new evidence,
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i kad su završili, rekli su:
09:03
and they came back and they said,
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"Dekriminalizujte sve droge
od kanabisa do kreka, ali" -
od kanabisa do kreka, ali" -
09:05
"Decriminalize all drugs
from cannabis to crack, but" --
from cannabis to crack, but" --
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09:09
and this is the crucial next step --
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i ovo je ključni sledeći korak -
09:11
"take all the money we used to spend
on cutting addicts off,
on cutting addicts off,
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"uzmite sav novac koji smo koristili
da izolujemo zavisnike,
da izolujemo zavisnike,
09:15
on disconnecting them,
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da ih isključimo,
09:16
and spend it instead
on reconnecting them with society."
on reconnecting them with society."
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i potrošite ga na njihovo ponovno
povezivanje sa društvom."
povezivanje sa društvom."
09:20
And that's not really what we think of
as drug treatment
as drug treatment
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To nije baš ono kako vidimo
lečenje od droge
lečenje od droge
09:25
in the United States and Britain.
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u SAD i Velikoj Britaniji.
09:26
So they do do residential rehab,
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Oni rade rehabilitaciju sa smeštajem,
09:28
they do psychological therapy,
that does have some value.
that does have some value.
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rade i psihološku terapiju
koja ima neku vrednost.
koja ima neku vrednost.
09:31
But the biggest thing they did
was the complete opposite of what we do:
was the complete opposite of what we do:
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Ali najveća stvar koju su uradili
je potpuno suprotna od onog što mi radimo:
je potpuno suprotna od onog što mi radimo:
09:34
a massive program
of job creation for addicts,
of job creation for addicts,
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obiman program kreiranja
poslova za zavisnike
poslova za zavisnike
09:37
and microloans for addicts
to set up small businesses.
to set up small businesses.
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i mikro krediti zavisnicima
za pokretanje malih poslova.
za pokretanje malih poslova.
09:39
So say you used to be a mechanic.
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Recimo, bili ste automehaničar.
09:41
When you're ready, they'll go
to a garage, and they'll say,
to a garage, and they'll say,
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Kad ste spremni, oni odu
u radionicu i kažu:
u radionicu i kažu:
ako zaposlite ovog momka na godinu dana,
mi ćemo plaćati polovinu njegove plate.
mi ćemo plaćati polovinu njegove plate.
09:44
if you employ this guy for a year,
we'll pay half his wages.
we'll pay half his wages.
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09:47
The goal was to make sure
that every addict in Portugal
that every addict in Portugal
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Cilj je bio da svaki zavisnik u Portugalu
09:50
had something to get out
of bed for in the morning.
of bed for in the morning.
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ima nešto zbog čega bi ustao
ujutru iz kreveta.
ujutru iz kreveta.
Kad sam otišao i upoznao
zavisnike u Portugalu,
zavisnike u Portugalu,
09:52
And when I went and met the addicts
in Portugal,
in Portugal,
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rekli su mi da
dok su ponovo otkrivali svrhu,
dok su ponovo otkrivali svrhu,
09:55
what they said is,
as they rediscovered purpose,
as they rediscovered purpose,
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otkrivali su ponovo i veze
i odnose s društvom.
i odnose s društvom.
09:57
they rediscovered bonds
and relationships with the wider society.
and relationships with the wider society.
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10:01
It'll be 15 years this year
since that experiment began,
since that experiment began,
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Ove godine će biti 15 godina
od početka eksperimenta
od početka eksperimenta
i rezultati su:
10:03
and the results are in:
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10:05
injecting drug use is down in Portugal,
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upotreba droge ubrizgavanjem
je opala u Portugalu,
je opala u Portugalu,
10:07
according to the British
Journal of Criminology,
Journal of Criminology,
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prema britanskom kriminološkom časopisu,
10:09
by 50 percent, five-zero percent.
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za 50 posto.
10:12
Overdose is massively down,
HIV is massively down among addicts.
HIV is massively down among addicts.
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Predoziranje je u velikoj meri opalo,
kao i pojava HIV-a među zavisnicima.
kao i pojava HIV-a među zavisnicima.
10:16
Addiction in every study
is significantly down.
is significantly down.
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Po svim istraživanjima,
zavisnost je značajno opala.
zavisnost je značajno opala.
10:18
One of the ways you know it's worked
so well is that almost nobody in Portugal
so well is that almost nobody in Portugal
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Vidite da je bilo uspešno i po tome
što skoro niko u Portugalu
što skoro niko u Portugalu
ne želi da se vrati na stari sistem.
10:22
wants to go back to the old system.
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10:24
Now, that's the political implications.
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To su političke implikacije.
10:26
I actually think there's a layer
of implications
of implications
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Mislim da postoji sloj implikacija
10:29
to all this research below that.
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svih tih istraživanja ispod toga.
10:30
We live in a culture where people
feel really increasingly vulnerable
feel really increasingly vulnerable
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Živimo u kulturi gde se ljudi
osećaju sve podložnije
osećaju sve podložnije
10:33
to all sorts of addictions,
whether it's to their smartphones
whether it's to their smartphones
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svim vrstama zavisnosti,
bilo od mobilnih telefona,
bilo od mobilnih telefona,
10:36
or to shopping or to eating.
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od kupovine ili od jela.
Pre nego što su govori počeli -
znate to -
znate to -
10:38
Before these talks began --
you guys know this --
you guys know this --
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10:40
we were told we weren't allowed
to have our smartphones on,
to have our smartphones on,
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rekli su nam da pametni telefoni
ne smeju da nam budu uključeni
ne smeju da nam budu uključeni
10:43
and I have to say, a lot of you
looked an awful lot like
looked an awful lot like
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i mnogi od vas su izgledali
kao zavisnici kojima su rekli
da njihov diler neće biti tu
da njihov diler neće biti tu
10:46
addicts who were told their dealer
was going to be unavailable
was going to be unavailable
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narednih nekoliko sati.
(Smeh)
(Smeh)
10:49
for the next couple of hours. (Laughter)
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Mnogi od nas se osećaju tako,
i možda će zvučati čudno,
i možda će zvučati čudno,
10:51
A lot of us feel like that,
and it might sound weird to say,
and it might sound weird to say,
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govorio sam o tome kako je nepovezanost
veliki poketač zavisnosti
veliki poketač zavisnosti
10:53
I've been talking about how disconnection
is a major driver of addiction
is a major driver of addiction
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i čudno je reći da je u porastu,
10:57
and weird to say it's growing,
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jer mislimo da smo najpovezanije društvo
koje je ikada postojalo.
koje je ikada postojalo.
10:58
because you think we're the most connected
society that's ever been, surely.
society that's ever been, surely.
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Ali sve više mislim da su veze koje imamo,
11:02
But I increasingly began to think
that the connections we have
that the connections we have
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ili mislimo da imamo, nešto kao
parodija na ljudsku povezanost.
parodija na ljudsku povezanost.
11:05
or think we have, are like a kind
of parody of human connection.
of parody of human connection.
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Ako imate krizu u životu,
primetićete nešto.
primetićete nešto.
11:08
If you have a crisis in your life,
you'll notice something.
you'll notice something.
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Oni koji vas prate na Tviteru
neće sesti sa vama.
neće sesti sa vama.
11:11
It won't be your Twitter followers
who come to sit with you.
who come to sit with you.
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Neće vam pomoći
vaši prijatelji sa Fejsbuka.
vaši prijatelji sa Fejsbuka.
11:14
It won't be your Facebook friends
who help you turn it round.
who help you turn it round.
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To će biti vaši prijatelji od krvi i mesa
sa kojima imate dublje
sa kojima imate dublje
11:17
It'll be your flesh and blood friends
who you have deep and nuanced
who you have deep and nuanced
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i iznijansirane odnose, licem u lice.
11:20
and textured, face-to-face
relationships with,
relationships with,
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11:22
and there's a study I learned about from
Bill McKibben, the environmental writer,
Bill McKibben, the environmental writer,
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Postoji istraživanje za koje sam saznao od
Bila MekKibena, stručnjaka za ekologiju,
Bila MekKibena, stručnjaka za ekologiju,
11:27
that I think tells us a lot about this.
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koje nam govori mnogo o ovome.
11:29
He looked at the number of close friends
the average American believes
the average American believes
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On je posmatrao broj bliskih prijatelja
koje prosečan Amerikanac misli
koje prosečan Amerikanac misli
11:32
they can call on in a crisis.
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da može da pozove kad je u krizi.
11:34
That number has been declining
steadily since the 1950s.
steadily since the 1950s.
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Taj broj je u stalnom padu
od pedesetih godina.
od pedesetih godina.
11:37
The amount of floor space
an individual has in their home
an individual has in their home
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Površina prostora u stanu pojedinca
11:40
has been steadily increasing,
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je u stalnom porastu
11:42
and I think that's like a metaphor
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i mislim da je to metafora
11:44
for the choice we've made as a culture.
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za izbor koji smo napravili kao kultura.
11:46
We've traded floorspace for friends,
we've traded stuff for connections,
we've traded stuff for connections,
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Zamenili smo prijatelje površinom stana,
zamenili smo veze stvarima
zamenili smo veze stvarima
11:51
and the result is we are one of the
loneliest societies there has ever been.
loneliest societies there has ever been.
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i rezultat je da smo jedno
od najusamljenijih društava ikada.
od najusamljenijih društava ikada.
11:54
And Bruce Alexander, the guy who did
the Rat Park experiment, says,
the Rat Park experiment, says,
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Brus Aleksander, koji je izveo
eksperiment sa pacovima, kaže:
eksperiment sa pacovima, kaže:
11:58
we talk all the time in addiction
about individual recovery,
about individual recovery,
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kod zavisnosti stalno govorimo
o individualnom oporavku,
o individualnom oporavku,
12:01
and it's right to talk about that,
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i u redu je pričati o tome,
12:03
but we need to talk much more
about social recovery.
about social recovery.
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ali treba da govorimo mnogo više
o društvenom oporavku.
o društvenom oporavku.
12:06
Something's gone wrong with us,
not just with individuals but as a group,
not just with individuals but as a group,
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Nešto se poremetilo kod nas, ne samo
kao pojedinaca već kao grupe.
kao pojedinaca već kao grupe.
12:09
and we've created a society where,
for a lot of us,
for a lot of us,
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Stvorili smo društvo gde, za mnoge od nas,
12:12
life looks a whole lot more
like that isolated cage
like that isolated cage
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život izgleda mnogo više
kao izolovani kavez,
kao izolovani kavez,
12:14
and a whole lot less like Rat Park.
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a mnogo manje kao "Park za pacove".
12:16
If I'm honest, this isn't
why I went into it.
why I went into it.
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Da budem iskren,
ja nisam zbog toga ušao u ovo.
ja nisam zbog toga ušao u ovo.
12:19
I didn't go in to the discover
the political stuff, the social stuff.
the political stuff, the social stuff.
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Nisam ušao u to da bih otkrio
političke i društvene stvari.
političke i društvene stvari.
12:23
I wanted to know how to help
the people I love.
the people I love.
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Želeo sam da saznam kako
da pomognem ljudima koje volim.
da pomognem ljudima koje volim.
12:25
And when I came back from this
long journey and I'd learned all this,
long journey and I'd learned all this,
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I kad sam se vratio s ovog
dugog putovanja i naučio sve ovo,
dugog putovanja i naučio sve ovo,
pogledao sam zavisnike u svom životu.
12:28
I looked at the addicts in my life,
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and if you're really candid,
it's hard loving an addict,
it's hard loving an addict,
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Ako ćemo iskreno,
teško je voleti zavisnika
teško je voleti zavisnika
12:36
and there's going to be lots of people
who know in this room.
who know in this room.
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i ima mnogo ljudi
koji to znaju u ovoj sali.
koji to znaju u ovoj sali.
Mnogo vremena ste ljuti,
12:39
You are angry a lot of the time,
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12:41
and I think one of the reasons
why this debate is so charged
why this debate is so charged
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i jedan od razloga zašto
je ova debata tako emotivna
je ova debata tako emotivna
12:45
is because it runs through the heart
of each of us, right?
of each of us, right?
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je to što prolazi kroz srca svih nas.
12:48
Everyone has a bit of them
that looks at an addict and thinks,
that looks at an addict and thinks,
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Svako jednim delom sebe
posmatra zavisnika i misli:
posmatra zavisnika i misli:
12:51
I wish someone would just stop you.
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voleo bih kad bi te neko zaustavio.
Uputstva koja nam govore kako da
tretiramo zavisnike u svom životu
tretiramo zavisnike u svom životu
12:52
And the kind of scripts we're told for how
to deal with the addicts in our lives
to deal with the addicts in our lives
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su tipizirana, ja mislim,
12:56
is typified by, I think,
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rijaliti emisijom "Intervencija",
ako ste gledali.
ako ste gledali.
12:57
the reality show "Intervention,"
if you guys have ever seen it.
if you guys have ever seen it.
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Mislim da je sve u našim životima
definisano rijaliti programom,
definisano rijaliti programom,
13:00
I think everything in our lives
is defined by reality TV,
is defined by reality TV,
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ali to je neki drugi TED govor.
13:03
but that's another TED Talk.
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13:04
If you've ever seen
the show "Intervention,"
the show "Intervention,"
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Ako ste ikada gledali "Intervenciju",
ideja je prilično jednostavna.
13:07
it's a pretty simple premise.
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13:08
Get an addict, all the people
in their life, gather them together,
in their life, gather them together,
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Uzmu zavisnika i sve ljude
u njihovom životu, stave ih zajedno,
u njihovom životu, stave ih zajedno,
suoče ih s onim što čine
i kažu: ako se ne popraviš,
i kažu: ako se ne popraviš,
13:11
confront them with what they're doing,
and they say, if you don't shape up,
and they say, if you don't shape up,
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isključićemo te.
13:15
we're going to cut you off.
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Uzmu vezu zavisnika
13:16
So what they do is they take
the connection to the addict,
the connection to the addict,
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i ugroze je, učine je zavisnom
13:19
and they threaten it,
they make it contingent
they make it contingent
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od ponašanja zavisnika.
13:21
on the addict behaving the way they want.
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13:24
And I began to think, I began to see
why that approach doesn't work,
why that approach doesn't work,
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Počinjem da uviđam
zašto taj pristup ne funkcioniše
zašto taj pristup ne funkcioniše
13:27
and I began to think that's almost like
the importing of the logic of the Drug War
the importing of the logic of the Drug War
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i mislim da je to skoro kao
uvođenje Rata protiv droge
uvođenje Rata protiv droge
13:32
into our private lives.
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u naše privatne živote.
13:34
So I was thinking,
how could I be Portuguese?
how could I be Portuguese?
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Pa sam razmišljao: kako bih
mogao da budem Portugalac?
mogao da budem Portugalac?
13:37
And what I've tried to do now,
and I can't tell you I do it consistently
and I can't tell you I do it consistently
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Ono što sam pokušao da uradim sada
i što radim stalno,
i što radim stalno,
13:41
and I can't tell you it's easy,
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i mogu vam reći da je lako,
13:43
is to say to the addicts in my life
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je da kažem zavisnicima oko sebe
13:45
that I want to deepen
the connection with them,
the connection with them,
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da želim da produbim vezu s njima,
13:48
to say to them, I love you
whether you're using or you're not.
whether you're using or you're not.
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da im kažem: volim te
bilo da uzimaš drogu ili ne.
bilo da uzimaš drogu ili ne.
13:51
I love you, whatever state you're in,
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Volim te bez obzira u kom si stanju
13:54
and if you need me,
I'll come and sit with you
I'll come and sit with you
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i ako sam ti potreban,
doći ću i sešću s tobom
doći ću i sešću s tobom
13:57
because I love you and I don't
want you to be alone
want you to be alone
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jer te volim i ne želim da budeš sam
13:59
or to feel alone.
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ili da se osećaš sam.
14:01
And I think the core of that message --
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Mislim da srž ove poruke -
14:03
you're not alone, we love you --
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nisi sam, volimo te -
14:06
has to be at every level
of how we respond to addicts,
of how we respond to addicts,
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mora biti na svakom nivou
naše reakcije na zavisnike,
naše reakcije na zavisnike,
14:09
socially, politically and individually.
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društveno, politički i pojedinačno.
14:12
For 100 years now, we've been singing
war songs about addicts.
war songs about addicts.
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Sto godina unazad, pevali smo
ratne pesme o zavisnicima.
ratne pesme o zavisnicima.
14:16
I think all along we should have been
singing love songs to them,
singing love songs to them,
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Mislim da je trebalo da im
pevamo ljubavne pesme,
pevamo ljubavne pesme,
14:20
because the opposite of addiction
is not sobriety.
is not sobriety.
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jer suprotnost zavisnosti nije treznost.
14:24
The opposite of addiction is connection.
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Suprotnost zavisnosti je povezanost.
14:28
Thank you.
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Hvala vam.
14:30
(Applause)
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ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Johann Hari - JournalistJohann Hari spent three years researching the war on drugs; along the way, he discovered that addiction is not what we think it is.
Why you should listen
British journalist Johann Hari is the author of the New York Times best-selling book Chasing The Scream, from which his talk on addiction was adapted and for which he spent three years researching the war on drugs and questioning the ways in which we treat addiction.
He has written for many of the world’s leading newspapers and magazines, including The New York Times, Le Monde, The Guardian, New Republic, The Nation, Slate.com, and The Sydney Morning Herald. He was a columnist for the British newspaper The Independent for nine years.
Hari was twice named National Newspaper Journalist of the Year by Amnesty International, was named Gay Journalist of the Year at the Stonewall Awards -- and won the Martha Gellhorn Prize for political writing.
Johann Hari | Speaker | TED.com