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Christopher Soghoian: Your smartphone is a civil rights issue
Kristofer Sogojan (Christopher Soghoian): Vaš pametni telefon je pitanje građanskih prava
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Pametni telefon koji koristite odražava više od ličnog ukusa... on takođe može odrediti koliko možete biti pod prismotrom. Stručnjak za privatnost i član TED Fellows programa, Kristofer Sogojan, objašnjava vidljivu razliku šifrovanja korišćenog na Apple i Android uređajima i upozorava nas da obratimo pažnju na porast podele digitalne bezbednosti. "Problem je ako su jedini ljudi koji se mogu zaštiti od pogleda vlade bogati i moćni," on kaže. "To nije samo problem sajber bezbednosti -- to je problem građanskog prava".
Christopher Soghoian - Privacy researcher and activist
Christopher Soghoian researches and exposes the high-tech surveillance tools that governments use to spy on their own citizens, and he is a champion of digital privacy rights. Full bio
Christopher Soghoian researches and exposes the high-tech surveillance tools that governments use to spy on their own citizens, and he is a champion of digital privacy rights. Full bio
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U proleće 2016,
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In the spring of 2016,
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pravna borba između Epla i FBI-a
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a legal battle between Apple
and the Federal Bureau of Investigation
and the Federal Bureau of Investigation
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zapala je svetu za oko.
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captured the world's attention.
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00:21
Apple has built security features
into its mobile products
into its mobile products
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Epl je ugradio bezbednosne odlike
u svoje mobilne proizvode
u svoje mobilne proizvode
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which protect data on its devices
from everyone but the owner.
from everyone but the owner.
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koje štite podatke na svojim uređajima
od svakog osim vlasnika.
od svakog osim vlasnika.
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That means that criminals, hackers
and yes, even governments
and yes, even governments
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To znači da su kriminalci,
hakeri i da, čak i vlade
hakeri i da, čak i vlade
00:33
are all locked out.
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bez pristupa.
00:35
For Apple's customers,
this is a great thing.
this is a great thing.
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Za Eplove korisnike
je ovo velika stvar.
je ovo velika stvar.
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But governments are not so happy.
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Ali vlade nisu tako srećne.
00:41
You see, Apple has made
a conscious decision
a conscious decision
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Vidite, Epl je napravio svesnu odluku
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to get out of the surveillance business.
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da bude van prismotre.
00:46
Apple has tried to make surveillance
as difficult as possible
as difficult as possible
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Epl je pokušao da oteža prismotru
što više je moguće
što više je moguće
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for governments and any other actors.
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vladama i bilo kojim akterima.
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There are really two
smartphone operating systems
smartphone operating systems
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Postoje dva operativna sistema
za telefone
za telefone
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in the global smartphone market:
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na svetskom tržištu pametnih telefona:
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iOS and Android.
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iOS i Android.
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iOS is made by Apple.
Android is made by Google.
Android is made by Google.
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iOS je napravio Epl.
Android je napravio Gugl.
Android je napravio Gugl.
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Apple has spent a lot of time and money
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Epl je potrošio puno vremena i novca
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to make sure that its products
are as secure as possible.
are as secure as possible.
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da se osigura da su njihovi proizvodi
što je više moguće bezbedni.
što je više moguće bezbedni.
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Apple encrypts all data
stored on iPhones by default,
stored on iPhones by default,
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Epl podrazumevano šifruje sve podatke
uskladištene na iPhone,
uskladištene na iPhone,
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and text messages sent from one
Apple customer to another Apple customer
Apple customer to another Apple customer
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i tekstualne poruke poslane od jednog
do drugog Epl korisnika
do drugog Epl korisnika
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are encrypted by default
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su šifrovane automatski
01:19
without the user having
to take any actions.
to take any actions.
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bez da korisnik mora šta preduzeti.
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What this means is that,
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Ovo znači da,
01:24
if the police seize an iPhone
and it has a password,
and it has a password,
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ako policija zapleni ajfon,
a on ima šifru,
a on ima šifru,
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they'll have a difficult time
getting any data off of it,
getting any data off of it,
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imaće poteškoća sa dobijanjem
podataka sa njega,
podataka sa njega,
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if they can do it at all.
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ako to uopšte mogu uraditi.
01:34
In contrast, the security of Android
just really isn't as good.
just really isn't as good.
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Nasuprot tome, bezbednost Androida
nije tako dobra.
nije tako dobra.
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Android phones, or at least
most of the Android phones
most of the Android phones
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Android telefoni, ili bar većina
Android telefona
Android telefona
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that have been sold to consumers,
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koji su prodati korisnicima,
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do not encrypt data stored
on the device by default,
on the device by default,
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ne šifruju podatke uskladištene
na uređaju automatski,
na uređaju automatski,
01:46
and the built-in text messaging app
in Android does not use encryption.
in Android does not use encryption.
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a unapred instalirana aplikacija za poruke
na Androidu ne koristi šifrovanje.
na Androidu ne koristi šifrovanje.
01:51
So if the police seize an Android phone,
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Tako da ako policija
zapleni Android telefon,
zapleni Android telefon,
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chances are, they'll be able to get
all the data they want
all the data they want
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sve su šanse da će moći da dobiju
sve željene podatke
sve željene podatke
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off of that device.
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sa tog uređaja.
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Two smartphones
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Dva pametna telefona
02:01
from two of the biggest
companies in the world;
companies in the world;
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od dve od najvećih kompanija sveta;
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one that protects data by default,
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jedna koja automatski štiti podatke,
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and one that doesn't.
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i druga koja ne štiti.
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Apple is a seller of luxury goods.
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Epl je prodavac luksuznih dobara.
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It dominates the high end of the market.
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On dominira na visokom tržištu.
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And we would expect a manufacturer
of luxury goods to have products
of luxury goods to have products
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A mi bismo očekivali od proizvođača
luksuznih dobara da njegovi proizvodi
luksuznih dobara da njegovi proizvodi
02:19
that include more features.
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uključuju više odlika.
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But not everyone can afford an iPhone.
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Ali ne mogu svi sebi priuštiti ajfon.
02:23
That's where Android
really, really dominates:
really, really dominates:
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Tu Android stvarno, stvarno dominira:
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at the middle and low end of the market,
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na srednjem i nižem delu tržišta,
02:29
smartphones for the billion
and a half people
and a half people
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pametni telefoni za milijardu i po ljudi
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who cannot or will not spend
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koji ne mogu ili neće da potroše
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600 dollars on a phone.
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600 dolara na telefon.
Ali dominacija Androida je dovela
do nečega što ja nazivam
do nečega što ja nazivam
02:41
But the dominance of Android
has led to what I call
has led to what I call
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the "digital security divide."
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"podelom digitalne bezbednosti".
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That is, there is now increasingly a gap
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To jest, sada je sve veći razmak
02:52
between the privacy
and security of the rich,
and security of the rich,
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između privatnosti i bezbednosti bogatih,
02:56
who can afford devices
that secure their data by default,
that secure their data by default,
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koji sebi mogu priuštiti uređaje
koji automatski štite njihove podatke,
koji automatski štite njihove podatke,
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and of the poor,
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i siromašnih,
03:01
whose devices do very little
to protect them by default.
to protect them by default.
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čiji uređaji rade veoma malo
na automatskoj zaštiti
na automatskoj zaštiti
03:07
So, think of the average Apple customer:
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Pa, zamislite prosečnog korisnika
Eplovih proizvoda:
Eplovih proizvoda:
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a banker, a lawyer,
a doctor, a politician.
a doctor, a politician.
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bankara, advokata, doktora, političara.
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These individuals now increasingly have
smartphones in their pockets
smartphones in their pockets
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Ove osobe sada sve više imaju
telefone u svojim džepovima
telefone u svojim džepovima
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that encrypt their calls,
their text messages,
their text messages,
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koji šifruju njihove pozive,
njihove tekstualne poruke,
njihove tekstualne poruke,
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all the data on the device,
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sve te podatke na uređaju,
03:27
without them doing really anything
to secure their information.
to secure their information.
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bez da oni urade bilo šta
da zaštite svoje informacije.
da zaštite svoje informacije.
03:32
In contrast, the poor
and the most vulnerable in our societies
and the most vulnerable in our societies
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Nasuprot tome, siromašni i najranjiviji
u našim društvima
u našim društvima
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are using devices that leave them
completely vulnerable to surveillance.
completely vulnerable to surveillance.
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koriste uređaje zbog kojih su potpuno
osetljivi na prismotru.
osetljivi na prismotru.
03:43
In the United States, where I live,
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U Sjedinjenim Državama, gde živim,
03:45
African-Americans are more likely
to be seen as suspicious
to be seen as suspicious
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Afro-Amerikance će češće
videti kao sumnjive
videti kao sumnjive
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or more likely to be profiled,
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i češće će ih proveravati,
03:51
and are more likely to be targeted
by the state with surveillance.
by the state with surveillance.
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i verovatnije je da će biti meta
prismotre države.
prismotre države.
03:56
But African-Americans
are also disproportionately likely
are also disproportionately likely
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Ali mnogo je verovatnije
da će Afro-Amerikanci
da će Afro-Amerikanci
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to use Android devices
that do nothing at all
that do nothing at all
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koristiti Android uređaje
koji ne preduzimaju ništa
koji ne preduzimaju ništa
04:01
to protect them from that surveillance.
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da ih zaštite od prismotre.
04:04
This is a problem.
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Ovo je problem.
04:07
We must remember
that surveillance is a tool.
that surveillance is a tool.
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Moramo se setiti da je prismotra alat.
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It's a tool used by those in power
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To je alat kojeg koriste moćni
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against those who have no power.
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protiv onih koji nemaju moć.
04:17
And while I think it's absolutely great
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I dok mislim da je odlično
04:21
that companies like Apple
are making it easy for people to encrypt,
are making it easy for people to encrypt,
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da kompanije poput Epla
olakšavaju ljudima šifrovanje,
olakšavaju ljudima šifrovanje,
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if the only people
who can protect themselves
who can protect themselves
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ako su jedini ljudi koji se mogu zaštititi
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from the gaze of the government
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od pogleda vlade
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are the rich and powerful,
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bogati i moćni,
04:33
that's a problem.
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to je problem.
04:35
And it's not just a privacy
or a cybersecurity problem.
or a cybersecurity problem.
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A to nije samo problem privatnosti
ili sajber bezbednosti.
ili sajber bezbednosti.
04:39
It's a civil rights problem.
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To je problem građanskih prava.
04:42
So the lack of default security in Android
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Tako da nedostatak automatske zaštite
na Androidu
na Androidu
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is not just a problem
for the poor and vulnerable users
for the poor and vulnerable users
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nije samo problem
za siromašne i ranjive korisnike
za siromašne i ranjive korisnike
04:51
who are depending on these devices.
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koji zavise od ovih uređaja.
04:53
This is actually a problem
for our democracy.
for our democracy.
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Ovo je zapravo problem
za našu demokratiju.
za našu demokratiju.
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I'll explain what I mean.
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Objasniću šta sam mislio.
04:58
Modern social movements
rely on technology --
rely on technology --
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Moderni društveni pokreti
se oslanjaju na tehnologiju -
se oslanjaju na tehnologiju -
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from Black Lives Matter to the Arab Spring
to Occupy Wall Street.
to Occupy Wall Street.
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od "Black Lives Matter"
do "arapskog proleća"
i "Okupirajmo Volstrit".
i "Okupirajmo Volstrit".
05:07
The organizers of these movements
and the members of these movements
and the members of these movements
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Organizatori ovih pokreta
i članovi ovih pokreta
i članovi ovih pokreta
05:11
increasingly communicate
and coordinate with smartphones.
and coordinate with smartphones.
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sve više komuniciraju
i koordinišu pomoću pametnih telefona.
i koordinišu pomoću pametnih telefona.
05:16
And so, naturally governments
that feel threatened by these movements
that feel threatened by these movements
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I tako, vlade koje se osećaju ugroženo
od strane ovih pokreta
od strane ovih pokreta
05:20
will also target the organizers
and their smartphones.
and their smartphones.
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će takođe ciljati organizatore
i njihove pametne telefone.
i njihove pametne telefone.
05:25
Now, it's quite possible
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Sada, veoma je moguće
05:27
that a future Martin Luther King
or a Mandela or a Gandhi
or a Mandela or a Gandhi
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da će budući Martin Luter King
ili Mandela ili Gandi
ili Mandela ili Gandi
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will have an iPhone and be protected
from government surveillance.
from government surveillance.
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imati ajfon i biti zaštićeni
od prismotre vlade.
od prismotre vlade.
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But chances are,
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Ali sve su šanse
05:37
they'll probably have a cheap,
$20 Android phone in their pocket.
$20 Android phone in their pocket.
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da će imati jeftini Android telefon
od 20 dolara u svojim džepovima.
od 20 dolara u svojim džepovima.
05:42
And so if we do nothing
to address the digital security divide,
to address the digital security divide,
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I tako da, ako ne preduzmemo ništa
da rešimo podelu digitalne bezbednosti,
da rešimo podelu digitalne bezbednosti,
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if we do nothing to ensure
that everyone in our society
that everyone in our society
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ako ne preduzmemo ništa da obezbedimo
da svako u našem društvu
da svako u našem društvu
05:51
gets the same benefits of encryption
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dobija istu korist šifrovanja
05:53
and is equally able to protect themselves
from surveillance by the state,
from surveillance by the state,
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i bude jednako u mogućnosti da se zaštiti
od prismotre države,
od prismotre države,
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not only will the poor and vulnerable
be exposed to surveillance,
be exposed to surveillance,
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ne samo da će siromašni i ranjivi
biti izloženi prismotri,
biti izloženi prismotri,
06:02
but future civil rights
movements may be crushed
movements may be crushed
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već bi budući pokreti za građanska prava
mogli biti uništeni
mogli biti uništeni
06:05
before they ever reach
their full potential.
their full potential.
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pre nego što dostignu
svoj puni potencijal.
svoj puni potencijal.
06:07
Thank you.
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Hvala.
06:09
(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
06:15
Helen Walters: Chris, thank you so much.
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Helen Volters: Krise, hvala ti puno.
06:17
I have a question for you.
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Imam pitanje za tebe.
06:19
We saw recently in the press
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Skoro smo videli u štampi
06:21
that Mark Zuckerberg from Facebook
covers over his camera
covers over his camera
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da Mark Cukerberg iz Fejsbuka
prekriva svoju kameru
prekriva svoju kameru
06:27
and does something
with his headphone mic jack.
with his headphone mic jack.
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i radi nešto sa svojim
priključkom za slušalice sa mikrofonom.
priključkom za slušalice sa mikrofonom.
06:30
So I wanted to ask you
a personal question, which is:
a personal question, which is:
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Pa sam želela da te pitam lično
pitanje, a to je:
pitanje, a to je:
06:32
Do you do that?
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radiš li ti to?
06:33
And, on behalf of everyone
here, particularly myself,
here, particularly myself,
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I, u ime svih prisutnih, pogotovo mene,
06:36
Should we be doing that?
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treba li mi da radimo to?
06:37
Should we be covering these things?
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Treba li da prekrivamo ove stvari?
06:39
Christopher Soghoian: Putting a sticker --
actually, I like Band-Aids,
actually, I like Band-Aids,
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Kristofer Sogojan: Stavljanje nalepnice -
zapravo, ja volim flastere,
zapravo, ja volim flastere,
06:43
because you can remove them
and put them back on
and put them back on
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jer ih možete ukloniti i vratiti nazad
kad god želite da pozovete nekoga
redovno ili preko Skajpa.
redovno ili preko Skajpa.
06:46
whenever you want to make
a call or a Skype call.
a call or a Skype call.
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06:48
Putting a sticker over your web cam
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Stavljanje nalepnice
preko vaše web kamere
preko vaše web kamere
06:50
is probably the best thing
you can do for your privacy
you can do for your privacy
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je verovatno najbolja stvar
koju možete uraditi za vašu privatnost
koju možete uraditi za vašu privatnost
06:52
in terms of bang for buck.
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u smislu toga da dobijate mnogo
za uloženi novac.
za uloženi novac.
06:54
There really is malware,
malicious software out there
malicious software out there
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Zaista postoji malver, maliciozan softver
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that can take over your web cam,
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koji može da preuzme
vašu kameru u svoje ruke,
vašu kameru u svoje ruke,
07:00
even without the light turning on.
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a da se lampica i ne uključi.
07:02
This is used by criminals.
This is used by stalkers.
This is used by stalkers.
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Ovo koriste kriminalci.
Ovo koriste lovci.
Ovo koriste lovci.
07:05
You can buy $19.99 "spy
on your ex-girlfriend" software online.
on your ex-girlfriend" software online.
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Možete kupiti softver "za špijuniranje
svoje devojke" za 20 dolara.
svoje devojke" za 20 dolara.
07:10
It's really terrifying.
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Veoma je zastrašujući.
07:11
And then, of course,
it's used by governments.
it's used by governments.
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I onda, naravno, to koriste vlade.
07:14
And there's obviously
a sexual violence component to this,
a sexual violence component to this,
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Očigledno postoji komponenta
seksualnog nasilja u ovome,
seksualnog nasilja u ovome,
07:17
which is that this kind of surveillance
can be used most effectively
can be used most effectively
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a to je da se ova vrsta prismotre
najefektivnije može koristiti
najefektivnije može koristiti
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against women and other people
who can be shamed in our society.
who can be shamed in our society.
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protiv žena i drugih ljudi
koji se mogu sramotiti u našem društvu.
koji se mogu sramotiti u našem društvu.
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Even if you think
you have nothing to hide,
you have nothing to hide,
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Čak iako mislite da nemate šta da krijete,
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at the very least, if you have
children, teenagers in your lives,
children, teenagers in your lives,
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barem, ako imate decu, tinejdžere,
postarajte se da ste stavili nalepnicu
na njihovu kameru i zaštitili ih.
na njihovu kameru i zaštitili ih.
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make sure you put a sticker
on their camera and protect them.
on their camera and protect them.
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HW: Wow. Thank you so much.
CS: Thank you.
CS: Thank you.
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HV: Hvala ti puno.
KS: Hvala.
KS: Hvala.
07:40
HW: Thanks, Chris.
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HV: Hvala Krise.
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ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Christopher Soghoian - Privacy researcher and activistChristopher Soghoian researches and exposes the high-tech surveillance tools that governments use to spy on their own citizens, and he is a champion of digital privacy rights.
Why you should listen
TED Fellow Christopher Soghoian is a champion of digital privacy rights, with a focus on the role that third-party service providers play in enabling governments to monitor citizens. As the principal technologist at the American Civil Liberties Union, he explores the intersection of federal surveillance and citizen's rights.
Before joining the ACLU, he was the first-ever technologist for the Federal Trade Commision's Division of Privacy and Identity Protection, where he worked on investigations of Facebook, Twitter, MySpace and Netflix. Soghoian is also the creator of Do Not Track, an anti-tracking device that all major web browsers now use, and his work has been cited in court.
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