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Richard Wilkinson - Public health researcher
In "The Spirit Level," Richard Wilkinson charts data that proves societies that are more equal are healthier, happier societies.

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For decades, Richard Wilkinson has studied the social effects of income inequality and how social forces affect health. In The Spirit Level, a book coauthored with Kate Pickett, he lays out reams of statistical evidence that, among developed countries, societies that are more equal – with a smaller income gap between rich and poor -- are happier and healthier than societies with greater disparities in the distribution of wealth.

While poverty has long been recognized as an indicator for such social ills as crime, obesity, teen pregnancy, Wilkinson and Pickett have demonstrated that societal well-being bears no relation to per capita income. They’ve also found that the symptoms of inequality trouble all levels of society. Across the board, mental health, levels of violence and addiction, even life expectancy are affected by the psycho-social stress caused by income gaps and status anxiety.

In the UK, The Spirit Level won support from politicians both left and right. Wilkinson, who is Professor Emeritus of Social Epidemiology at the University of Nottingham, also cofounded The Equality Trust, a nonprofit that aims to reduce income inequality by educating and engaging the public while supporting political commitment to address the problem.

He says: "While I'd always assumed that an equal society must score better on social cohesion, I never expected to find such clear differences between existing market economies."

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Richard Wilkinson: How economic inequality harms societies

Richard Wilkinson: Nola ezberdintasun ekonomikoak kaltetzen dituen gizarteak

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Senak esaten digu diru-sarreren tarte handiak dituzten gizarteak txarto dabiltzala. Richard Wilkinsonek desberdintasunari buruzko benetako informazioa erakusten du eta aberatsen eta txiroen arteko aldea handia denean nolako gauzak okertzen diren: benetako ondorioak osasunean, bizi-kostuan eta funtsezko baloreetan, besteak beste, konfiantzan.
- Public health researcher
In "The Spirit Level," Richard Wilkinson charts data that proves societies that are more equal are healthier, happier societies. Full bio

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You all know the truth of what I'm going to say.
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Jadanik ezagutzen duzue nik esango dudanaren egia.
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I think the intuition that inequality is divisive and socially corrosive
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Nik uste dut gizartean
ezberdintasuna zatitzailea eta garratza den ideia
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has been around since before the French Revolution.
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Frantziako Iraultza baino aurrekoa dela.
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What's changed
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Aldatu egin dena da
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is we now can look at the evidence,
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orain ebidentziak ikus ditzakegula,
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we can compare societies, more and less equal societies,
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antzeko gizarteak parekatu
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and see what inequality does.
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eta ezberdintasunak zer egiten duen ikusi.
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I'm going to take you through that data
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Informazio hori erakutsiko dizuet
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and then explain why
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eta gero, azalduko dizuet zergatik
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the links I'm going to be showing you exist.
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existitzen diren
erakutsiko ditudan loturak.
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But first, see what a miserable lot we are.
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Baina lehenenik
ikusiko dugu ze talde goibel garen.
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(Laughter)
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(Barreak)
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I want to start though
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Haatik, hasi nahi dut
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with a paradox.
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paradoxa batekin.
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This shows you life expectancy
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Honek bizi itxaropena erakusten du
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against gross national income --
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BPGrekin konparatuta,
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how rich countries are on average.
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herrien batezbesteko aberastasuna.
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And you see the countries on the right,
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Eskuineko herriak,
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like Norway and the USA,
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Norvegia eta Estatu Batuak,
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are twice as rich as Israel, Greece, Portugal on the left.
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ezkerreko Israel, Grezia eta Portugal baino
bi aldiz aberatsagoak dira.
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And it makes no difference to their life expectancy at all.
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Eta horrek ez du
euren bizi itxaropenean inolako eraginik.
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There's no suggestion of a relationship there.
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Ez dago korrelazio aztarnarik.
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But if we look within our societies,
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Baina gure gizarteetan begiratzen badugu,
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there are extraordinary social gradients in health
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osasunean
gizarte-gradiente ugari dago
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running right across society.
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gizarte osoaren zehar.
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This, again, is life expectancy.
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Hemen, berriro, bizi itxaropena.
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These are small areas of England and Wales --
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Hauek Ingalaterra eta Galesko
eskualde txiki batzuk dira,
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the poorest on the right, the richest on the left.
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txiroenak eskuinean,
aberatsenak ezkerrean.
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A lot of difference between the poor and the rest of us.
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Desberdintasun handia
txiroen eta gure artean.
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Even the people just below the top
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Baita gainaldearen azpian
daudenak
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have less good health
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osasun gutxiago daukate
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than the people at the top.
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goian daudenekin konparatuta.
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So income means something very important
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Orduan, diru-sarrera
benetan garrantzi handikoa da
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within our societies,
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gure gizarteetan,
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and nothing between them.
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baina ezer ez haien artean.
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The explanation of that paradox
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Paradoxa horren azalpena da
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is that, within our societies,
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gure gizarteetan
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we're looking at relative income
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diru-sarrera erlatiboa aztertzen dugula
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or social position, social status --
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edo maila soziala, estatus soziala,
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where we are in relation to each other
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non elkarrekiko erlazioa daukagun
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and the size of the gaps between us.
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eta gure arteko tartearen tamaina.
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And as soon as you've got that idea,
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Eta ideia hori ulertu bezain pronto
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you should immediately wonder:
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gure buruari galdetu beharko genioke:
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what happens if we widen the differences,
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Zer gertatuko litzateke
tarte horiek handituko bagenitu,
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or compress them,
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edo gutxitu,
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make the income differences bigger or smaller?
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diru-sarreren ezberdintasunak
aldatuko bagenitu?
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And that's what I'm going to show you.
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Eta hori da
erakutsiko dizuedana.
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I'm not using any hypothetical data.
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Ez dut balizko informazioa erabiliko.
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I'm taking data from the U.N. --
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Nazio Batuen informazioa erabiliko dut,
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it's the same as the World Bank has --
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Munduko Bankuak daukan berbera,
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on the scale of income differences
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diru-sarreren
desberdintasun-eskalari buruzkoa
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in these rich developed market democracies.
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garatutako merkatu aberats
eta demokratiko hauetan.
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The measure we've used,
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Erabili dugun neurria izan da,
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because it's easy to understand and you can download it,
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-- erraza eta deskarga ahal delako --
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is how much richer the top 20 percent
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zein den aldea goiko %20ren
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than the bottom 20 percent in each country.
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eta beheko %20ren artean
herri bakoitzean.
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And you see in the more equal countries on the left --
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Eta argi ikusten da ezkerreko herrietan,
berdintasun gehiago dutenak,
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Japan, Finland, Norway, Sweden --
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Japonia, Finlandia, Norvegia, Suedia,
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the top 20 percent are about three and a half, four times as rich
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goiko %20a hiru edo lau aldiz
aberatsagoa dela
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as the bottom 20 percent.
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beheko %20a baino.
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But on the more unequal end --
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Baina berdintasun urrikoen aldean,
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U.K., Portugal, USA, Singapore --
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Erresuma Batua, Portugal,
Estatu Batuak, Singapur,
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the differences are twice as big.
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ezberdintasunak
bi aldiz handiagoak dira.
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On that measure, we are twice as unequal
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Honela,
gure ezberdintasunak bikoizten du
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as some of the other successful market democracies.
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beste merkatu demokratiko
arrakastatsuena.
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Now I'm going to show you what that does to our societies.
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Orain, gure gizarteetan dituen ondorioak
erakutsiko dizkizuet.
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We collected data on problems with social gradients,
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Hartu genituen datuak
gradiente soziala duten arazoei buruz
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the kind of problems that are more common
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gizarte maila baxuetan
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at the bottom of the social ladder.
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arruntenak diren arazoei buruz.
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Internationally comparable data on life expectancy,
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Nazioarteko informazio alderagarria
bizi-itxaropenari buruz,
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on kids' maths and literacy scores,
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umeen matematikako emaitzei
eta alfabetatzeari buruz,
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on infant mortality rates, homicide rates,
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umeen heriotza-tasari,
erailketa-tasari buruz,
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proportion of the population in prison, teenage birthrates,
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espetxeratutakoen ehunekoari,
nerabeen haurdunaldiei buruz,
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levels of trust,
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konfiantza-mailei buruz,
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obesity, mental illness --
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loditasunari,
buru-gaixotasunei buruz --
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which in standard diagnostic classification
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diagnosi estandarreko sailkapenean
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includes drug and alcohol addiction --
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drogen eta alkoholen menpetasuna
hartzen dituena --
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and social mobility.
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eta gizarte-mailen
mugikortasunari buruz.
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We put them all in one index.
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Hau guztia
indize bakar batean jarri genuen.
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They're all weighted equally.
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Guzti-guztiak garrantzi berekoak.
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Where a country is is a sort of average score on these things.
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Datuon batezbestekoa egin
eta herri bakoitza kokatu dugu.
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And there, you see it
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Eta han, hori ikusten da
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in relation to the measure of inequality I've just shown you,
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lehen erakutsitako
ezberdintasun-mailari lotuta,
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which I shall use over and over again in the data.
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behin eta berriro
erabiliko dudana datuetan.
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The more unequal countries
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Ezberdintasun handiko herriak
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are doing worse
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okerrago dabiltza
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on all these kinds of social problems.
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arazo sozial mota horietan.
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It's an extraordinarily close correlation.
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Oso korrelazio estua da.
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But if you look at that same index
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Baina indize bera ikusten badugu,
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of health and social problems
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arazo sozialena eta osasunarena,
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in relation to GNP per capita,
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pertsona bakoitzeko BPGri lotuta,
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gross national income,
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barne-produktu gordinari lotuta,
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there's nothing there,
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ez dago ezer han,
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no correlation anymore.
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ez dago korrelaziorik.
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We were a little bit worried
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Pixka bat kezkatuta geunden
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that people might think
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jendeak pentsa lezakelako
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we'd been choosing problems to suit our argument
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komeni zitzaigun arazoak aukeratu
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and just manufactured this evidence,
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eta ebidentzia hau fabrikatu genuela.
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so we also did a paper in the British Medical Journal
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Beraz, British Medical Journal aldizkarian
ere argitaratu genuen
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on the UNICEF index of child well-being.
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umeen ongizatearen UNICEFeko
indizeari buruzko artikulua.
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It has 40 different components
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40 osagai desberdin ditu,
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put together by other people.
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beste pertsona batzuek
elkarrekin ipini dituztenak.
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It contains whether kids can talk to their parents,
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Horrek zehazten du
ea umeek gurasoekin solasaldiak dituzten,
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whether they have books at home,
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ea etxean liburuak dituzten,
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what immunization rates are like, whether there's bullying at school.
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zein den immunizazio-tasa,
eskola-jazarpena dagoen ala ez.
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Everything goes into it.
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Dena sartzen da.
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Here it is in relation to that same measure of inequality.
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Hemen dago erlazionatuta
ezberdintasun-neurri berarekin.
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Kids do worse in the more unequal societies.
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Umeak okerrago daude
berdintasunik gabeko gizarteetan.
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Highly significant relationship.
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Oso harreman adierazgarria.
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But once again,
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Baina berriro,
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if you look at that measure of child well-being,
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umeen ongizatearen neurria ikusten bada
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in relation to national income per person,
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pertsona eta urte bakoitzeko
diru-sarrerarekin erlazionatuta,
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there's no relationship,
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ez dago erlaziorik,
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no suggestion of a relationship.
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ezta erlazio-aztarnarik ere.
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What all the data I've shown you so far says
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Erakutsitako informazioak esaten duena
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is the same thing.
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berdina da.
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The average well-being of our societies
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Gure gizarteetako batezbesteko ongizatea
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is not dependent any longer
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ez dago jada
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on national income and economic growth.
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hazkunde ekonomikoaren
edo herri bateko diru-sarreren menpe.
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That's very important in poorer countries,
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Hau garrantzi handikoa da
herri txiroetan,
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but not in the rich developed world.
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baina ez mundu aberats garatuan.
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But the differences between us
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Haatik, gure arteko desberdintasunak
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and where we are in relation to each other
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eta elkarrekiko dugun egoera
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now matter very much.
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garrantzi handikoak dira gaur.
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I'm going to show you some of the separate bits of our index.
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Gure indizearen zati batzuk
erakutsiko dizkizuet.
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Here, for instance, is trust.
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Hemen, adibidez, konfiantza dago.
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It's simply the proportion of the population
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Hots, populazioaren ehunekoak
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who agree most people can be trusted.
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uste duena posible dela
pertsonengan konfiantza izatea.
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It comes from the World Values Survey.
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World Values Survey-en
inkestetatik ateratakoa.
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You see, at the more unequal end,
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Ezberdintasun handiko muturrean,
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it's about 15 percent of the population
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populazioaren %15ak,
gutxi gorabehera,
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who feel they can trust others.
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besteengan
konfiantza izan dezaketela uste du.
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But in the more equal societies,
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Baina berdintasun handiko gizarteetan,
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it rises to 60 or 65 percent.
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ehunekoa
%60koa edo %65ekoa da.
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And if you look at measures of involvement in community life
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Eta komunitate-bizitzan
parte hartzearen neurria ikusten bada
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or social capital,
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edo kapital soziala,
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very similar relationships
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oso antzeko erlazioak daude
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closely related to inequality.
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ezberdintasunarekin erlazio estua dutenak.
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I may say, we did all this work twice.
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Lan guzti hau bitan egin genuen.
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We did it first on these rich, developed countries,
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Lehenengo egin genuen
herri aberats eta garatuetan
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and then as a separate test bed,
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eta gero saiakuntza-bankua bezala banaka,
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we repeated it all on the 50 American states --
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Estatu Batuetako
50 estatuetan errepikatu genuen --
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asking just the same question:
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galdera bera eginez:
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do the more unequal states
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ezberdintasun handiagoko estatuak
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do worse on all these kinds of measures?
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neurri mota guzti hauetan
okerrago dabiltza?
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So here is trust from a general social survey of the federal government
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Hau da konfiantza-maila
gobernu federalaren inkesta baten arabera
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related to inequality.
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ezberdintasunarekin erlazionatuta.
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Very similar scatter
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Oso antzeko diagrama
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over a similar range of levels of trust.
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konfiantzaren antzeko mailak.
06:32
Same thing is going on.
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Gauza bera gertatzen da.
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Basically we found
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Funtsean zera aurkitzen dugu,
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that almost anything that's related to trust internationally
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nazioartean,
konfiantzarekin zerikusia duen edozer
06:39
is related to trust amongst the 50 states
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50 estatuen arteko konfiantzarekin
erlazionatzen dela
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in that separate test bed.
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saiakuntza-banku horretan.
06:43
We're not just talking about a fluke.
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Hau ez da kasualitate hutsa.
06:45
This is mental illness.
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Hauexek dira buru-gaixotasunak.
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WHO put together figures
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OMEk indizeak egiten ditu
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using the same diagnostic interviews
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diagnosi-elkarrizketa berberak erabiliz
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on random samples of the population
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populazioaren ausazko lagiekin.
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to allow us to compare rates of mental illness
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Haiei esker buru-gaixotasunen tasak
konpara ditzakegu
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in each society.
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gizarte bakoitzean.
06:58
This is the percent of the population
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Hau da populazioaren ehunekoa
07:00
with any mental illness in the preceding year.
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azkenengo urtean
buru-gaixotasunen bat izan duena.
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And it goes from about eight percent
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Eta %8tik
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up to three times that --
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hiru aldiz biderkatzen da.
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whole societies
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Gizarte osoak,
07:10
with three times the level of mental illness of others.
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hiru bider
buru-gaixotasun gehiago dutenak.
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And again, closely related to inequality.
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Eta berriro, ezberdintasunari lotuta.
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This is violence.
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Hau da bortizkeria.
07:19
These red dots are American states,
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Puntu gorri horiek
Estatu Batuetako estatu batzuk dira
07:21
and the blue triangles are Canadian provinces.
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eta hiruki urdinak, Kanadako probintziak.
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But look at the scale of the differences.
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Baina ikus ezazue ezberdintasun-eskala.
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It goes from 15 homicides per million
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Milioiko 15 erailketatik hasi eta
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up to 150.
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150era igotzen da.
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This is the proportion of the population in prison.
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Hau da espetxean dagoen
populazioaren ehunekoa.
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There's a about a tenfold difference there,
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Hemen 10 aldiko ezberdintasuna dago,
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log scale up the side.
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alde hauetako eskalan islatuta.
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But it goes from about 40 to 400
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Baina 40 presotik
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people in prison.
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400era igotzen da.
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That relationship
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Erlazio hau
07:49
is not mainly driven by more crime.
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ez da krimen gehiagoren ondorioa.
07:51
In some places, that's part of it.
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Kasu batzuetan, badu zerikusirik horrekin.
07:54
But most of it is about more punitive sentencing,
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Baina gehienetan zigor-sententziak dira,
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harsher sentencing.
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zigor gogorragoak.
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And the more unequal societies
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Eta gizarte ezberdintsuagoek
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are more likely also to retain the death penalty.
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heriotza-zigorra mantentzeko joera daukate.
08:04
Here we have children dropping out of high school.
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Hemen dauzkagu Bigarren Hezkuntzako ikasketak
utzi zituzten gazteak.
08:09
Again, quite big differences.
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Berriro, ezberdintasun handiak.
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Extraordinarily damaging,
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Benetan kaltegarriak,
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if you're talking about using the talents of the population.
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populazioaren gaitasuna erabiltzeaz ari bagara.
08:16
This is social mobility.
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Hau da gizarte-mugikortasuna.
08:19
It's actually a measure of mobility
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Gizarte-mugikortasunaren neurria da
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based on income.
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diru-sarreretan oinarrituta.
08:23
Basically, it's asking:
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do rich fathers have rich sons
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guraso aberatsek
seme-alaba aberatsak al dauzkate
08:27
and poor fathers have poor sons,
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eta guraso txiroek
seme-alaba txiroak?
08:29
or is there no relationship between the two?
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Edo agian
ez dago bi horien arteko erlaziorik?
08:32
And at the more unequal end,
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Eta ezberdintsuenen muturrean,
08:34
fathers' income is much more important --
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gurasoen diru-sarrera
askoz inportanteagoa da
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in the U.K., USA.
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Erresuma Batuan, Estatu Batuetan.
08:40
And in Scandinavian countries,
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fathers' income is much less important.
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gurasoen diru-sarrerak
garrantzi gutxiago du.
08:44
There's more social mobility.
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Gizarte-mugikortasun handiagoa dago.
08:47
And as we like to say --
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Esaten duguna da:
08:49
and I know there are a lot of Americans in the audience here --
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-- eta badakit amerikar asko dagoela publikoan gaur --
08:52
if Americans want to live the American dream,
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amerikarrek "amets amerikarra"
bizi nahi badute,
08:55
they should go to Denmark.
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Danimarkara joan beharko dira.
08:57
(Laughter)
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(Barreak)
08:59
(Applause)
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(Txaloak)
09:03
I've shown you just a few things in italics here.
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Bakarrik erakutsi dizkizuet
gauza batzuk letra etzanean hemen.
09:06
I could have shown a number of other problems.
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Beste arazo-mota batzuk
erakuts niezazkizueke.
09:08
They're all problems that tend to be more common
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Arazo guzti horiek
maizago gertatzen dira
09:10
at the bottom of the social gradient.
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gradiente sozialaren beheko zatian.
09:12
But there are endless problems with social gradients
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Baina hamaika arazo dago,
gradiente sozialduna,
09:17
that are worse in more unequal countries --
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ezberdintasun gehien duten herrietan
txarragoak direnak,
09:19
not just a little bit worse,
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eta ez pixka bat txarragoak,
09:21
but anything from twice as common to 10 times as common.
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baizik bi edo 10 aldiz
txarragoak normalean.
09:24
Think of the expense,
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Pentsa ezazue gastuan,
09:26
the human cost of that.
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egoera horren giza-kostua.
09:29
I want to go back though to this graph that I showed you earlier
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Lehengo grafikora
bueltatu nahi dut
09:31
where we put it all together
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non informazioa biltzen dugun
09:33
to make two points.
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bi gauza erakusteko.
09:35
One is that, in graph after graph,
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Bat da, grafikoen poderioz
09:38
we find the countries that do worse,
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aurkitzen dugula txarto doazen herriak,
09:40
whatever the outcome,
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edozein emaitzetan,
09:42
seem to be the more unequal ones,
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ezberdintasun gehiagoko herriak direla,
09:44
and the ones that do well
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eta ondo doazen herriak
09:46
seem to be the Nordic countries and Japan.
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Japonia eta iparraldeko herriak direla.
09:49
So what we're looking at
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Beraz, ikusten duguna da
09:51
is general social disfunction related to inequality.
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ezberdintasunari lotutako
disfuntzio sozial orokorra.
09:54
It's not just one or two things that go wrong,
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Eta arazoa ez da
gauza bat edo bi doazela txarto,
09:56
it's most things.
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gauza gehienak daude txarto.
09:58
The other really important point I want to make on this graph
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Grafikoan azpimarratu nahi dudan
beste arazo garrantzitsua hau da.
10:01
is that, if you look at the bottom,
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Beheko zatia ikusten badugu,
10:03
Sweden and Japan,
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Suedia eta Japonia,
10:06
they're very different countries in all sorts of ways.
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esparru askotan
oso herri ezberdinak dira.
10:09
The position of women,
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Emakumearen posizioa,
10:11
how closely they keep to the nuclear family,
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zein hurbil mantentzen diren
familia-nukleotik,
10:13
are on opposite ends of the poles
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zeharo ezberdinak dira
10:15
in terms of the rich developed world.
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mundu aberatsen eta garatuen terminoetan.
10:17
But another really important difference
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Baina beste garrantzi handiko ezberdintasuna da
10:19
is how they get their greater equality.
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nola lortzen duten
euren berdintasun handiagoa.
10:22
Sweden has huge differences in earnings,
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Suediak diru-sarreran
ezberdintasun handiak ditu,
10:25
and it narrows the gap through taxation,
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eta zergen bidez
tarte hori murrizten du,
10:27
general welfare state,
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orokorreko gizarte-laguntzaren bidez,
10:29
generous benefits and so on.
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onura handien bidez, eta abar.
10:32
Japan is rather different though.
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Haatik, Japonia zerbait ezberdina da.
10:34
It starts off with much smaller differences in earnings before tax.
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Zergak ordaindu aurreko diru-sarrerak
berdintsuagoak dira.
10:37
It has lower taxes.
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Zerga baxuagoak ditu.
10:39
It has a smaller welfare state.
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Gizarte-laguntza gutxiago.
10:41
And in our analysis of the American states,
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Eta Estatu Batuetako estatuen analisian,
10:43
we find rather the same contrast.
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antzerako kontrastea aurkitzen dugu.
10:45
There are some states that do well through redistribution,
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Estatu batzuei ondo doakie
birbanaketari esker,
10:48
some states that do well
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beste estatu batzuek arrakasta daukate
10:50
because they have smaller income differences before tax.
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zergak ordaindu aurreko diru-sarrerak
berdintsuak direlako.
10:53
So we conclude
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Orduan ondorioztatzen dugu
10:55
that it doesn't much matter how you get your greater equality,
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ez dela garrantzi handikoa
nola heldu berdintasunera,
10:58
as long as you get there somehow.
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nolabait hara heltzen zaren bitartean.
11:00
I am not talking about perfect equality,
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Ez naiz ari
berdintasun perfektuari buruz,
11:02
I'm talking about what exists in rich developed market democracies.
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merkatu demokratiko aberats eta garatuetan
existitzen denari buruz ari naiz.
11:08
Another really surprising part of this picture
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Irudi honen beste alde harrigarri bat da
11:13
is that it's not just the poor
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ezberdintasunak ez diela
11:15
who are affected by inequality.
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txiroei bakarrik eragiten.
11:18
There seems to be some truth in John Donne's
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John Donnek esandakoak
egia gordetzen du
11:20
"No man is an island."
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"Inor ere ez da uhartea".
11:23
And in a number of studies, it's possible to compare
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Eta hainbat ikerketetan konpara daiteke
11:26
how people do in more and less equal countries
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nola dagoen jendea
ezberdintasunaren arabera
11:29
at each level in the social hierarchy.
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gizarte-hierarkiaren
maila bakoitzean.
11:32
This is just one example.
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Hau adibide bat da.
11:35
It's infant mortality.
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Umeen heriotza-tasa da.
11:37
Some Swedes very kindly classified a lot of their infant deaths
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Suediar batzuek
umeen heriotzak sailkatu zituzten
11:40
according to the British register of general socioeconomic classification.
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sailkapen sozio-ekonomiko orokorraren
britainiar erregistroaren arabera.
11:45
And so it's anachronistically
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Beraz, oso anakronikoa dena,
11:48
a classification by fathers' occupations,
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aiten lanbideen araberako sailkapena da,
11:50
so single parents go on their own.
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eta aita-ama ezkongabeak
aparte agertzen dira.
11:52
But then where it says "low social class,"
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Baina "gizarte-maila baxua" aipatzen denean,
11:55
that's unskilled manual occupations.
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espezializatu gabeko
eskuzko lanaz ari da.
11:58
It goes through towards the skilled manual occupations in the middle,
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gero doa
erdi-mailako eskuzko lan espezializatuetara,
12:02
then the junior non-manual,
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gero eskuzkoak ez diren
menpeko lanak
12:04
going up high to the professional occupations --
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lanbide liberaletara heldu arte --:
12:07
doctors, lawyers,
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medikuak, abokatuak,
12:09
directors of larger companies.
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enpresa handien zuzendariak.
12:11
You see there that Sweden does better than Britain
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Suediaren egoera
Britainia Handikoa baino hobeagoa da
12:14
all the way across the social hierarchy.
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gizarte-hierarkia guztietan.
12:19
The biggest differences are at the bottom of society.
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Ezberdintasun handienak
gizarte-maila baxuetan daude.
12:21
But even at the top,
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Baina goian ere,
12:23
there seems to be a small benefit
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badago abantaila txiki bat
12:25
to being in a more equal society.
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berdintasun gehiagoko
gizarte batean biziz gero.
12:27
We show that on about five different sets of data
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Bost talde ezberdinetan
erakusten dugu hau,
12:30
covering educational outcomes
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hezkuntza-emaitzak kontuan hartuta
12:32
and health in the United States and internationally.
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eta osasunekoak ere
Estatu Batuetan eta munduan.
12:35
And that seems to be the general picture --
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Hau dirudi egoera orokorra.
12:38
that greater equality makes most difference at the bottom,
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Berdintasun handiak
ezberdintasun handiagoa sortzen du behean,
12:41
but has some benefits even at the top.
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baina abantailak goiko partean.
12:44
But I should say a few words about what's going on.
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Zer gertatzen den azaldu beharko nuke.
12:48
I think I'm looking and talking
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Uste dut
hitz egiten ari naizela
12:50
about the psychosocial effects of inequality.
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ezberdintasunaren
ondorio psiko-sozialei buruz.
12:53
More to do with feelings of superiority and inferiority,
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Nagusitasun edo gutxiagotasunaren emozioekin
lotuago daudenak.
12:56
of being valued and devalued,
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Aintzat hartuta izatea ala ez,
12:58
respected and disrespected.
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begirunea jasotzea ala ez.
13:01
And of course, those feelings
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Eta, noski, emozio hauek
13:03
of the status competition that comes out of that
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estatusaren lehiarenak
13:06
drives the consumerism in our society.
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kontsumismoa sortzen dute gure gizartean.
13:09
It also leads to status insecurity.
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Estatusaren segurtasun eza
dakar ere.
13:12
We worry more about how we're judged and seen by others,
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Biziki kezkatzen gaitu
besteen iritziak,
13:16
whether we're regarded as attractive, clever,
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erakargarritzat edo inteligentetzat
hartzen gaituzten,
13:19
all that kind of thing.
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antzerako gauza horiek.
13:22
The social-evaluative judgments increase,
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Gizarte-balioztatzearen iritziak,
13:25
the fear of those social-evaluative judgments.
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iritzi horiei buruzko beldurra.
13:29
Interestingly,
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Benetan bitxia da,
13:31
some parallel work going on in social psychology:
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badaude ikasketa paralelo batzuk
gizarte-psikologian.
13:35
some people reviewed 208 different studies
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Batzuek 208 ikerketa berraztertu zituzten.
13:38
in which volunteers had been invited
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Horietan boluntarioak gonbidatu zituzten
13:41
into a psychological laboratory
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laborategi psiko-sozial baten
parte hartzera
13:43
and had their stress hormones,
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eta estresen hormonak neurtu zizkieten,
13:45
their responses to doing stressful tasks, measured.
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lan estresagarriak egitean
euren erreakzioak neurtu ziren.
13:49
And in the review,
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Ikerketa horretan
13:51
what they were interested in seeing
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ikusi nahi zutena zen
13:53
is what kind of stresses
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zer estres-motek
13:55
most reliably raise levels of cortisol,
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igotzen dituzten kortisol-mailak,
13:58
the central stress hormone.
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estresaren hormona nagusia.
14:00
And the conclusion was
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Emaitza izan zen
14:02
it was tasks that included social-evaluative threat --
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ebaluazio soziala jasotzeko arriskua zuten
zereginak zirela,
14:05
threats to self-esteem or social status
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autoestimua edo estatusa
arriskuan jartzen zutenak,
14:08
in which others can negatively judge your performance.
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norbaitek gure errendimendua
txartzat jo ahal zuen zereginak.
14:11
Those kind of stresses
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Estres mota horiek
14:13
have a very particular effect
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oso ondorio berezia dute
14:16
on the physiology of stress.
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estresaren fisiologian.
14:20
Now we have been criticized.
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Gogor kritikatu gaituzte.
14:22
Of course, there are people who dislike this stuff
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Hau gustatzen ez zaien pertsonak daude,
14:25
and people who find it very surprising.
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baita harritzen direnak ere.
14:28
I should tell you though
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Baina esan behar dizuet
14:30
that when people criticize us for picking and choosing data,
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datuak aukeratu eta iragazteagatik
kritikatzen gaituztenean
14:33
we never pick and choose data.
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ez ditugula inoiz
datuak aukeratzen edo iragazten.
14:35
We have an absolute rule
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Erabateko araua jarraitzen dugu,
14:37
that if our data source has data for one of the countries we're looking at,
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iturri batek baditu
aztertutako herri baten datuak,
14:40
it goes into the analysis.
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analisian sartzen dira.
14:42
Our data source decides
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Gure informazio-iturria da
erabakitzen duena
14:44
whether it's reliable data,
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informazio hori fidagarria denentz,
14:46
we don't.
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ez gu geu.
14:48
Otherwise that would introduce bias.
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Bestela alderdikeria legoke.
14:50
What about other countries?
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Zer gertatzen da gainontzeko herriekin?
14:52
There are 200 studies
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Berrehun ikerketa daude
14:55
of health in relation to income and equality
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diru-sarrerak eta berdintasuna
osasunarekin lotzen dituztenak
14:58
in the academic peer-reviewed journals.
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adituek aztertzen dituzten
aldizkari akademikoetan.
15:01
This isn't confined to these countries here,
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Hau ez da
hemengo herrietara mugatzen,
15:04
hiding a very simple demonstration.
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lagin oso sinple bat ezkutatuz.
15:06
The same countries,
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Herrialde berak,
15:08
the same measure of inequality,
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ezberdintasun-mailaren neurtze bera,
15:10
one problem after another.
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arazo bat bestearen atzean.
15:14
Why don't we control for other factors?
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Zergatik ez ditugu kontrolatzen
beste faktore batzuk?
15:16
Well we've shown you that GNP per capita
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Erakutsi dizuegu
pertsona bakoitzeko BPGak
15:18
doesn't make any difference.
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ez duela ezer aldatzen.
15:20
And of course, others using more sophisticated methods in the literature
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Eta, beste batzuek,
metodo sofistikatuagoak erabiliz,
15:24
have controlled for poverty and education
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txirotasuna eta hezkuntza neurtu dituzte
15:26
and so on.
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eta abar.
15:30
What about causality?
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Zer gertatzen da kausalitatearekin?
15:32
Correlation in itself doesn't prove causality.
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Korrelazioak berez ez du
kausalitaterik erakusten.
15:35
We spend a good bit of time.
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Denbora dezente eman dugu.
15:37
And indeed, people know the causal links quite well
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Ezaguna da
emaitza hauetako batzuen arteko
15:39
in some of these outcomes.
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kausalitate harremana.
15:41
The big change in our understanding
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Herri aberats eta garatuetan
15:43
of drivers of chronic health
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osasun kronikoaren eragileak ulertzerakoan
15:45
in the rich developed world
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izan dugun aldaketa nabaria hau da:
15:47
is how important chronic stress from social sources
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jatorri sozialeko estres kroniko handiak
15:51
is affecting the immune system,
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immune-sisteman duen eragina,
15:53
the cardiovascular system.
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kardiobaskular-sisteman.
15:56
Or for instance, the reason why violence
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Adibidez, berdintasun gutxiko herrietan
15:58
becomes more common in more unequal societies
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bortizkeria arrunt bihurtzen da
16:01
is because people are sensitive to being looked down on.
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jendeak okerrago onartzen duelako
mespretxua jasotzea.
16:06
I should say that to deal with this,
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Esan beharko nuke
arazo honi aurre egiteko
16:09
we've got to deal with the post-tax things
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zergen-ondorengoa landu beharko dugula
16:11
and the pre-tax things.
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eta zergen-aurrekoa.
16:13
We've got to constrain income,
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Diru-sarrerak murriztu beharko genituzke,
16:16
the bonus culture incomes at the top.
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goiko kultur-sarrera estrak.
16:18
I think we must make our bosses accountable to their employees
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Buruzagiek langileen ardura hartzera
behartu beharko ditugu
16:21
in any way we can.
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ahal dugun bide guztiak erabiliz.
16:24
I think the take-home message though
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Gorde beharreko mezua da
16:27
is that we can improve the real quality of human life
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giza-bizitzaren
benetako kalitatea hobetu dezakegula
16:31
by reducing the differences in incomes between us.
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gure arteko
diru-sarreren ezberdintasuna murriztuz.
16:34
Suddenly we have a handle
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Horrela maneia liteke
16:36
on the psychosocial well-being of whole societies,
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gizarte osoen ongizate psiko-soziala,
16:38
and that's exciting.
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eta hori hunkigarria da.
16:40
Thank you.
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Mila esker.
16:42
(Applause)
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(Txaloak)
Translated by Alvaro Moya
Reviewed by Begoña Laka

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ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Richard Wilkinson - Public health researcher
In "The Spirit Level," Richard Wilkinson charts data that proves societies that are more equal are healthier, happier societies.

Why you should listen

For decades, Richard Wilkinson has studied the social effects of income inequality and how social forces affect health. In The Spirit Level, a book coauthored with Kate Pickett, he lays out reams of statistical evidence that, among developed countries, societies that are more equal – with a smaller income gap between rich and poor -- are happier and healthier than societies with greater disparities in the distribution of wealth.

While poverty has long been recognized as an indicator for such social ills as crime, obesity, teen pregnancy, Wilkinson and Pickett have demonstrated that societal well-being bears no relation to per capita income. They’ve also found that the symptoms of inequality trouble all levels of society. Across the board, mental health, levels of violence and addiction, even life expectancy are affected by the psycho-social stress caused by income gaps and status anxiety.

In the UK, The Spirit Level won support from politicians both left and right. Wilkinson, who is Professor Emeritus of Social Epidemiology at the University of Nottingham, also cofounded The Equality Trust, a nonprofit that aims to reduce income inequality by educating and engaging the public while supporting political commitment to address the problem.

He says: "While I'd always assumed that an equal society must score better on social cohesion, I never expected to find such clear differences between existing market economies."

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