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Jonas Gahr Støre: In defense of dialogue
Jonas Gahr Støre: U obrani dijaloga
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U politici se pokretanje dijaloga s nasilnim grupama, s radikalima i teroristima te s državama koje ih podražavaju može učiniti protivno razumu. Ali Jonas Gahr Støre, norveški ministar vanjskih poslova, daje nam povod za otvorenu raspravu, čak i kada nam se vrijednosti razilaze, i sve to u pokušaju osiguravanja više razine sigurnosti za sve.
Jonas Gahr Støre - Foreign Minister of Norway
Jonas Gahr Støre is the Norwegian Foreign Minister, charged with working for Norway's interests internationally. Full bio
Jonas Gahr Støre is the Norwegian Foreign Minister, charged with working for Norway's interests internationally. Full bio
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00:15
Amongst all the troubling deficits we struggle with today --
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Među svim zabrinjavajućim problemima s kojima se danas susrećemo,
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we think of financial and economic primarily --
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tu prvenstveno mislimo na ekonomske i financijske,
00:21
the ones that concern me most
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ali oni koji me najviše zabrinjavaju
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is the deficit of political dialogue --
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nedostatci su političkog dijaloga,
00:25
our ability to address modern conflicts
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naše sposobnosti da se nosimo s modernim sukobima
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as they are,
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kao takvima,
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to go to the source of what they're all about
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da doprijemo do njihove biti
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and to understand the key players
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i da shvatimo ključne igrače
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and to deal with them.
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te da se s njima obračunamo.
00:36
We who are diplomats,
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Mi, diplomati,
00:38
we are trained to deal with conflicts between states and issues between states.
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obučeni smo nositi se s problemima i sukobima između država.
00:41
And I can tell you, our agenda is full.
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I moram vam reći, naš raspored je pun.
00:44
There is trade, there is disarmament,
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Tu su trgovina, razoružanje,
00:46
there is cross-border relations.
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prekogranični odnosi.
00:49
But the picture is changing,
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Ali slika se mijenja,
00:51
and we are seeing that there are new key players
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i sada primjećujemo da novi ključni igrači
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coming onto the scene.
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dolaze na pozornicu.
00:56
We loosely call them "groups."
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Kolokvijalno ih zovemo "skupine".
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They may represent social, religious,
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One mogu predstavljati društvene, religiozne,
01:02
political, economic, military realities.
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političke, gospodarske, vojne entitete.
01:05
And we struggle with how to deal with them.
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I mučimo se s načinom kako postupati s njima.
01:07
The rules of engagement:
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Pravila angažmana su:
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how to talk, when to talk,
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kako pregovarati, kada pregovarati,
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and how to deal with them.
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i kako se suočiti s njima.
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Let me show you a slide here
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Dopustite da vam pokažam slajd
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which illustrates the character of conflicts
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koji prikazuje narav sukoba
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since 1946 until today.
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od 1946. do danas.
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You see the green
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Uočite da su zeleno
01:22
is a traditional interstate conflict,
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tradicionalni međudržavni sukobi,
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the ones we used to read about.
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oni o kojima smo obično čitali.
01:28
The red is modern conflict,
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Crveno je moderan sukob,
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conflicts within states.
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sukob unutar države.
01:33
These are quite different,
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Oni su dosta različiti,
01:35
and they are outside the grasp
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i izvan su dosega
01:38
of modern diplomacy.
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moderne diplomacije.
01:41
And the core of these key actors
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A srž ovih glavnih igrača
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are groups
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čine skupine
01:45
who represent different interests
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koje predstavljuju različite interese
01:47
inside countries.
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unutar država.
01:49
And the way they deal with their conflicts rapidly spreads to other countries.
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A način na koji se oni nose sa svojim sukobima vrlo se brzo širi u druge države.
01:52
So in a way, it is everybody's business.
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Zbog toga se oni, na neki način, tiču svih nas.
01:56
Another acknowledgment we've seen during these years,
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Druga spoznaja koju smo uvidjeli tijekom ovih godina,
01:58
recent years,
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posljednjih godina,
02:00
is that very few
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je ta da se vrlo malo
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of these domestic interstate, intrastate conflicts
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ovih regionalnih i unutardržavnih sukoba
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can be solved militarily.
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može riješiti vojnim putem.
02:08
They may have to be dealt with with military means,
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Njima se možda može pristupiti vojno,
02:10
but they cannot be solved by military means.
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ali ih se ne može riješiti vojnim putem.
02:13
They need political solutions.
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Oni trebaju politička rješenja.
02:15
And we, therefore, have a problem,
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I mi, dakle, imamo problem,
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because they escape traditional diplomacy.
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budući da oni izmiču tradicionalnoj diplomaciji.
02:20
And we have among states
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A između država postoji
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a reluctance in dealing with them.
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nevoljkost u njihovu rješavanju.
02:24
Plus, during the last decade,
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Također, tijekom proteklog desetljeća
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we've been in the mode
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bili smo u načinu rada
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where dealing with groups
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gdje je obračunavanje sa skupinama
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was conceptually and politically dangerous.
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bilo pojmovno i politički opasno.
02:33
After 9/11,
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Nakon 11. rujna,
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either you were with us or against us.
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ili ste bili za nama, ili protiv nas.
02:37
It was black or white.
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Bilo je crno ili bijelo.
02:39
And groups are very often
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A skupine su vrlo često
02:41
immediately label terrorists.
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odmah etiketirane kao terorističke.
02:43
And who would talk to terrorists?
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A tko bi pregovarao s teroristima?
02:46
The West, as I would see it,
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Zapad, kako ga ja vidim,
02:48
comes out of that decade weakened,
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iz tog desetljeća izlazi oslabljen
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because we didn't understand the group.
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zato što nismo razumijeli skupinu.
02:53
So we've spent more time
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I tako smo potrošili više vremena
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on focusing on why we should not talk to others
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fokusirajući se na to zašto ne bismo trebali razgovarati s drugima,
02:58
than finding out how we talk to others.
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umjesto pronalaženja načina kako razgovarati s njima.
03:00
Now I'm not naive.
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Ovako, ja nisam naivan.
03:03
You cannot talk to everybody all the time.
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Ne možete razgovarati sa svima cijelo vrijeme.
03:05
And there are times you should walk.
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A postoje i situacije kada trebate odšetati.
03:08
And sometimes military intervention is necessary.
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A katkada je potrebna i vojna intervencija.
03:10
I happen to believe that Libya was necessary
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Ja vjerujem da je intervencija u Libiji bila potrebna
03:13
and that military intervention in Afghanistan was also necessary.
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kao i vojna intervencija u Afganistanu.
03:16
And my country relies on its security
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I moja država se oslanja na svoju sigurnost
03:19
through military alliance, that's clear.
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preko vojnog saveza, to je jasno.
03:22
But still we have a large deficit
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Ali mi još uvijek imamo velik nedostatak
03:25
in dealing with and understanding modern conflict.
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u razumijevanju i suočavanju s modernim sukobom.
03:27
Let us turn to Afghanistan.
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Razmotrimo Afganistan.
03:30
10 years after that military intervention,
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10 godina nakon vojne intervencije
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that country is far from secure.
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ta je država daleko od sigurne.
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The situation, to be honest, is very serious.
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Situacija je, iskreno, vrlo ozbiljna.
03:37
Now again, the military is necessary,
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Ponavljam, vojska je potrebna,
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but the military is no problem-solver.
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ali vojska ne rješava probleme.
03:43
When I first came to Afghanistan in 2005 as a foreign minister,
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Kada sam prvi put došao u Afganistan 2005. kao ministar vanjskih poslova,
03:46
I met the commander of ISAF,
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upoznao sam zapovjednika ISAF-a -
03:48
the international troops.
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međunarodnih snaga.
03:50
And he told me that, "This can be won militarily, minister.
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I on mi je rekao: "Ministre, moguća je vojna pobjeda.
03:53
We just have to persevere."
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Samo moramo biti uporni."
03:56
Now four COM ISAF's later,
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I sada, nakon četiri nova zapovjednika,
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we hear a different message:
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čujemo drukčiju poruku:
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"This cannot be won militarily.
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"Ovaj sukob ne može riješiti vojska."
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We need military presence,
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Potrebna nam je prisutnost vojske,
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but we need to move to politics.
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ali moramo se okrenuti politici.
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We can only solve this through a political solution.
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Ovo možemo riješiti samo kroz politčko rješenje.
04:09
And it is not us who will solve it;
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I nismo mi ti koji će to riješiti,
04:12
Afghans have to solve it."
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već Afganistanci.
04:14
But then they need a different political process
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Ali oni trebaju drukčiji politički pristup
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than the one they were given in 2001, 2002.
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od onoga koji im je dan 2001., 2002.
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They need an inclusive process
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Oni trebaju biti uključeni u taj proces
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where the real fabric of this very complicated society
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tamo gdje se vođe ovoga komplicranog društva
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can deal with their issues.
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mogu suočiti sa svojim problemima.
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Everybody seems to agree with that.
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Izgleda da se svi slažu s tim.
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It was very controversial to say three, four, five years ago.
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No, to je bilo vrlo kontroverzno govoriti prije tri, četiri ili pet godina.
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Now everybody agrees.
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Sada se svi slažu oko toga.
04:35
But now, as we prepare to talk,
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Ali sada, dok se pripremamo za pregovore,
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we understand how little we know.
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shvaćamo koliko malo znamo.
04:40
Because we didn't talk.
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I to zato što nismo razgovarali.
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We didn't grasp what was going on.
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NIsmo spoznali ono što se događalo.
04:45
The International Committee of the Red Cross, the ICRC,
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Međunarodni odbor Crvenoga križa (ICRC),
04:48
is talking to everyone,
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razgovara sa svima,
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and it is doing so because it is neutral.
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i čini to jer je neutralan.
04:53
And that's one reason why
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I to je jedan razlog zašto je
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that organization probably
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ta organizacija vjerojatno
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is the best informed key player
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najinformiraniji ključni igrač
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to understand modern conflict --
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u razumijevanju modernog sukoba -
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because they talk.
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zato što razgovaraju.
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My point is that you don't have to be neutral to talk.
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Moj zaključak je da ne trebate biti neutralni kako biste razgovarali.
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And you don't have to agree
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I ne trebate se složiti
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when you sit down with the other side.
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kada sjednete za stol s drugom stranom.
05:11
And you can always walk.
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I uvijek možete odšetati.
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But if you don't talk,
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Ali ako ne razgovarate,
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you can't engage the other side.
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ne možete napasti drugu stranu.
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And the other side which you're going to engage
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A ta druga strana koju ćete napasti
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is the one with whom you profoundly disagree.
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je ona s kojom se apsolutno ne slažete.
05:23
Prime Minister Rabin said when he engaged the Oslo process,
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Premijer Rabin je u vrijeme pokretanja Sporazuma u Oslu rekao:
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"You don't make peace with your friends,
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"Ne sklapate mir sa svojim prijateljima,
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you make peace with your enemies."
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već sa svojim neprijateljima."
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It's hard, but it is necessary.
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To je teško, ali je potrebno.
05:33
Let me go one step further.
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Dopustite da odem jedan korak dalje.
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This is Tahrir Square.
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Ovo je Trg Tahrir u Kairu.
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There's a revolution going on.
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Tamo se odvija revolucija.
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The Arab Spring is heading into fall
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Arapsko proljeće zalazi u jesen
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and is moving into winter.
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i kreće se prema zimi.
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It will last for a long, long time.
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Trajat će dugo, dugo vremena.
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And who knows what it will be called in the end.
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I tko zna kako će se zvati kada završi.
05:49
That's not the point.
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No, to nije poanta.
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The point is that we are probably seeing,
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Poanta je da vjerojatno svjedočimo,
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for the first time in the history of the Arab world,
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po prvi put u povijesti arapskog svijeta,
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a revolution bottom-up --
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revoluciju odozdo prema gore -
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people's revolution.
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revoluciju naroda.
06:00
Social groups are taking to the streets.
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Društvene skupine izlaze na ulice.
06:03
And we find out in the West
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A mi na Zapadu shvaćamo
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that we know very little about what's happening.
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da vrlo malo znamo o tome što se događa.
06:08
Because we never talk to the people in these countries.
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Zato što nikada ne vodimo razgovore s ljudima tih država.
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Most governments followed
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Većina vlada je slijedila
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the dictate of the authoritarian leaders
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diktaturu autoritativnih vođa
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to stay away from these different groups,
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kako bi ostali podalje od različitih skupina,
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because they were terrorists.
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zato što su ih smatrali teroristima.
06:22
So now that they are emerging in the street
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I sada kada oni izlaze na ulice,
06:24
and we salute the democratic revolution,
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mi, pozdravljajući demokratsku revoluciju,
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we find out how little we know.
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shvaćamo koliko malo znamo.
06:29
Right now, the discussion goes,
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Upravo sada, održava se rasprava,
06:31
"Should we talk to the Muslim Brotherhood?
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"Trebamo li razgovarati s Muslimanskim bratstvom?
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Should we talk to Hamas?
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Trebamo li razgovarati s Hamasom?
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If we talk to them, we may legitimize them."
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Ako budemo razgovarali s njima, možda ćemo ih učiniti zakonitima."
06:39
I think that is wrong.
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Mislim da je to pogrešno.
06:41
If you talk in the right way, you make it very clear
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Ako razgovarate na pravi način, dajete do znanja
06:43
that talking is not agreeing.
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da razgovaranje nije i slaganje.
06:46
And how can we tell the Muslim Brotherhood,
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A kako mi možemo reći Muslimanskom bratstvu,
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as we should,
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a trebali bismo,
06:50
that they must respect minority rights,
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da moraju poštovati prava manjina
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if we don't accept majority rights?
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ako mi ne prihvaćamo prava većine.
06:57
Because they may turn out to be a majority.
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Zato što baš oni mogu postati većina.
07:00
How can we escape [having] a double-standard,
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Kako možemo izbjeći korištenje dvostrukog standarda
07:03
if we at the same time preach democracy
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ako u isto vrijeme propovijedamo demokraciju
07:06
and at the same time
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i u isto vrijeme
07:08
don't want to deal with the groups that are representative?
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ne želimo imati ikakve veze sa značajnim skupinama?
07:10
How will we ever be interlocutors?
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Kako ćemo ikada postati sugovornicima?
07:13
Now my diplomats are instructed
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Mojim diplomatima je naloženo
07:15
to talk to all these groups.
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da razgovaraju sa svim ovim skupinama.
07:17
But talking can be done in different ways.
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Ali razgovarati se može na različite načine.
07:20
We make a distinction between talking from a diplomatic level
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Mi razlikujemo razgovore na diplomatskoj razini
07:23
and talking at the political level.
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od onih na političkoj.
07:26
Now talking can be accompanied with aid or not with aid.
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Pomoć može, a i ne mora pratiti razgovore.
07:29
Talking can be accompanied with inclusion or not inclusion.
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Razgovori mogu biti popraćeni s uključivanjem ostalih ili ne.
07:32
There's a big array
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Veliko je mnoštvo
07:34
of the ways of dealing with this.
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načina kako pristupiti ovome.
07:36
So if we refuse
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Pa tako ako odbijemo
07:38
to talk to these new groups
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razgovarati s tim novim skupinama
07:41
that are going to be dominating the news in years to come,
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koje će dominirati vijestima u narednim godinama,
07:44
we will further radicalization,
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zapravo ćemo promicati radikalizaciju,
07:46
I believe.
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tako ja mislim.
07:48
We will make the road from violent activities into politics
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Prijelaz iz nasilnih aktivnosti u politiku
07:51
harder to travel.
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ćemo učinit težim.
07:53
And if we cannot demonstrate to these groups
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A ako ne možemo prezentirati ovim grupama
07:56
that if you move towards democracy,
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da ako odluče krenuti prema demokraciji,
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if you move towards taking part
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ako se usmjere prema sudjelovanju
08:01
in civilized and normal standards among states,
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u civiliziranim i normalnim standardima između država,
08:04
there are some rewards on the other side.
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da ipak postoje neke nagrade na drugoj strani.
08:07
The paradox here
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Paradoks je
08:09
is that the last decade probably was a lost decade
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taj da je prošlo desetljeće bilo izgubljeno desetljeće
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for making progress on this.
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u nastojanju da to uspije.
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And the paradox is that the decade before the last decade was so promising --
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A paradoks je taj da je desetljeće prije prošloga bilo jako obećavajuće
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and for one reason primarily.
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i to primarno zbog jednog razloga.
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And the reason is what happened in South Africa:
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A razlog je ono što se dogodilo u Južnoafričkoj Republici -
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Nelson Mandela.
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Nelson Mandela.
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When Mandela came out of prison
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Kada je Mandela izašao iz zatvora
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after 27 years of captivity,
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nakon 27 godina zatočeništva,
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if he had told his people,
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da je bio rekao svojim ljudima:
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"It's time to take up the arms,
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"Vrijeme je da uzmemo oružje u ruke,
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it's time to fight,"
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vrijeme je za borbu",
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he would have been followed.
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oni bi ga poslušali.
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And I think the international community
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A mislim da bi međunarodna zajednica
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would have said, "Fair enough.
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na to odgovorila: "Dobro.
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It's their right to fight."
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Njihovo je pravo da se bore."
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Now as you know, Mandela didn't do that.
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No, kao što znate, Mandela to nije učinio.
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In his memoirs, "Long Road to Freedom,"
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U njegovim memoarima, "Dugi put do slobode",
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he wrote that he survived
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napisao je da je preživio
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during those years of captivity
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te godine zatočeništva
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because he always decided to look upon his oppressor
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zato što je na svoga ugnjetača gledao
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as also being a human being,
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kao na ljudsko biće,
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also being a human being.
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još jedno ljudsko biće.
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So he engaged a political process of dialogue,
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Pa je tako on započeo politički proces dijaloga,
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not as a strategy of the weak,
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ne kao strategiju slabih,
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but as a strategy of the strong.
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nego kao strategiju koju koriste snažni.
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And he engaged talking profoundly
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I započeo je smišljene pregovore
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by settling some of the most tricky issues
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tako što je izgladio neke od najkompliciranijih problema
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through a truth and reconciliation process
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kroz istinu i proces pomirenja
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where people came and talked.
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tijekom kojeg su se ljudi sastajali i pričali.
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Now South African friends will know
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Sada Južnoafrikanci znaju
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that was very painful.
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da je to bilo vrlo bolno.
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So what can we learn from all of this?
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I, što mi sada možemo naučiti iz svega toga?
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Dialogue is not easy --
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Dijalog nije lagan -
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not between individuals, not between groups, not between governments --
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ni između pojedinaca, ni između skupina, ni između vlada -
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but it is very necessary.
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ali je jako potreban.
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If we're going to deal with political conflict-solving of conflicts,
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Ako se planiramo suočiti s političkim načinom rješavanja sukoba,
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if we're going to understand these new groups
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ako namjeravamo razumijeti te nove skupine
09:47
which are coming from bottom-up,
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koje nastaju u donjim slojevima društva
09:50
supported by technology, which is available to all,
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i koje koriste tehnologiju, koja je svima dostupna,
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we diplomats cannot be sitting back in the banquets
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mi diplomati ne smijemo uživati na gozbama
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believing that we are doing interstate relations.
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misleći da tako radimo na međudržavnim odnosima.
09:59
We have to connect
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Moramo se povezati
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with these profound changes.
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s ovim velikim promjenama.
10:03
And what is dialogue really about?
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I što je uopće definicija dijaloga?
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When I enter into dialogue,
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Kada započinjem dijalog,
10:07
I really hope that the other side
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nadam se da će druga strana
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would pick up my points of view,
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shvatiti moja stajališta
10:11
that I would impress upon them
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i da ću im uvjerljivo prikazati
10:13
my opinions and my values.
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svoja mišljenja i svoje vrijednosti.
10:15
I cannot do that
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Ne mogu to učiniti
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unless I send the signals that I will be open
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ukoliko ne pošaljem signale da ću otvoreno
10:19
to listen to the other side's signals.
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poslušati signale druge strane.
10:22
We need a lot more training on how to do that
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Moramo još više trenirati kako to činiti
10:25
and a lot more practice
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i često vježbati
10:27
on how that can take problem-solving forward.
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način na koji to može poboljšati rješavanje problema.
10:30
We know from our personal experiences
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Iz svojiih osobnih iskustava znamo
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that it's easy sometimes
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da je ponekad lagano
10:34
just to walk,
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samo odšetati,
10:36
and sometimes you may need to fight.
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a katkad se možda morate i boriti.
10:39
And I wouldn't say that is the wrong thing in all circumstances.
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Ne mogu reći da je to pogrešno u svim situacijama.
10:42
Sometimes you have to.
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Ali ponekad jednostavno morate.
10:44
But that strategy seldom takes you very far.
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Ali ta vas strategija rijetko odvede jako daleko.
10:47
The alternative is a strategy
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Alternativa je strategija
10:49
of engagement and principled dialogue.
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angažmana i moralnog dijaloga.
10:51
And I believe we need to strengthen this approach
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I vjerujem da moramo osnažiti ovaj pristup
10:54
in modern diplomacy,
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u modernoj diplomaciji,
10:56
not only between states,
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i to ne samo između država,
10:58
but also within states.
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već i unutar njih.
11:00
We are seeing some new signs.
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Primjećujemo neke nove znakove.
11:02
We could never have done
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Nikada ne bismo donijeli
11:04
the convention against anti-personnel landmines
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konvenciju protiv pješačkih mina
11:06
and the convention that is banning cluster munitions
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i konvenciju koja zabranjuje kazetno streljivo
11:10
unless we had done diplomacy differently,
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ukoliko nismo drukčije pristupili diplomaciji,
11:13
by engaging with civil society.
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i to uključivši civilno društvo.
11:15
All of a sudden,
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Odjednom,
11:17
NGOs were not only standing in the streets, crying their slogans,
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NVO-e nisu hodale ulicama, uzvikujući svoje slogane,
11:20
but they were taking [them] into the negotiations,
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nego su ih koristili u pregovorima,
11:23
partly because they represented the victims of these weapons.
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dijelom zato što su predstavljale žrtve ovog oružja.
11:27
And they brought their knowledge.
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I u pregovore su donijeli svoje znanje.
11:29
And there was an interaction
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I postojala je interakcija
11:31
between diplomacy and the power coming bottom-up.
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između diplomacije i moći koja dolazi odzodo.
11:34
This is perhaps a first element
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To je možda prvi element
11:36
of a change.
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nekakve promjene.
11:38
In the future, I believe,
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Vjerujem da u budućnosti
11:40
we should draw examples from these different illustrations,
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trebamo učiti iz ovih različitih primjera
11:43
not to have diplomacy
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kako ne bismo imali diplomaciju
11:45
which is disconnected from people and civil society.
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koja je otuđena od svojih ljudi i civilnog društva.
11:48
And we have to go also
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Također moramo zakoračiti
11:51
beyond traditional diplomacy
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iza tradicionalne diplomacije
11:53
to the survival issue of our times,
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do pitanja koje danas znači preživljavanje -
11:55
climate change.
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klimatskih promjena.
11:57
How are we going to solve climate change through negotiations,
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Kako ćemo pregovorima uspjeti riješiti klimatske promjene
12:00
unless we are able to make civil society and people,
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ukoliko nismo u mogućnosti učiniti civilno društvo i ljude,
12:03
not part of the problem, but part of the solution?
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ne dijelom problema, nego dijelom rješenja?
12:06
It is going to demand an inclusive process of diplomacy
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On će zahtijevati diplomatski proces u kojem su mnogi uključeni,
12:09
very different from the one we are practicing today
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vrlo različit od onoga kojega trenutačno prakticiramo
12:12
as we are heading to new rounds of difficult climate negotiations,
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dok se krećemo prema novim rundama teških klimatskih pregovora,
12:15
but when we move toward something
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ali i prema nečemu
12:17
which has to be much more
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što mora biti puno više
12:19
along a broad mobilization.
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od puke opće mobilizacije.
12:21
It's crucial to understand, I believe,
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Vjerujem da je ključno razumjeti,
12:24
because of technology and because of globalization,
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zbog tehnologije i zbog globalizacije,
12:26
societies from bottom-up.
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društva od donjih slojeva prema gore.
12:28
We as diplomats
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Mi, diplomati,
12:30
need to know the social capital
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moramo razumijeti društveni kapital
12:32
of communities.
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kojeg imaju zajednice.
12:34
What is it that makes people trust each other,
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Što je to što nam omogućava da si ljudi međusobno vjeruju,
12:37
not only between states,
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ne samo između država,
12:39
but also within states?
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nego i unutar njih?
12:41
What is the legitimacy of diplomacy,
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Koji je legimitet diplomacije,
12:44
of the the solution we devise as diplomats
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rješenje kojeg mi diplomati smišljamo
12:47
if they cannot be reflected and understood
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ako o njemu ne mogu razmišljati i njega razumijeti
12:50
by also these broader forces of societies
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ovi širi i utjecajniji dijelovi društva
12:53
that we now very loosely call groups?
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koje sada vrlo neformalno zovemo grupama?
12:58
The good thing is that we are not powerless.
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Dobra stvar je ta što nismo bespomoćni.
13:00
We have never had
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Nikada do sada nismo imali
13:02
as many means of communication,
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toliko različitih načina komunikacije,
13:04
means of being connected, means of reaching out,
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sredstava povezanosti, dosezanja,
13:07
means of including.
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i uključivanja drugih.
13:09
The diplomatic toolbox
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Diplomatska kutija za alate
13:11
is actually full of different tools we can use
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je zapravo prepuna različitih alata koje možemo koristiti
13:14
to strengthen our communication.
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kako bismo ojačali svoju komunikaciju.
13:16
But the problem is that we are coming out of a decade
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Ali problem je taj što izlazimo iz desetljeća
13:19
where we had a fear of touching it.
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u kojem smo imali strah od njezinog korištenja.
13:21
Now, I hope, in the coming years,
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Sada se nadam da ćemo u nadolazećim godinama
13:24
that we are able to demonstrate through some concrete examples
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moći, kroz neke konkretne poteze, demonstrirati
13:27
that fear is receding
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da se taj strah povlači
13:30
and that we can take courage
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i da se možemo ohrabriti
13:32
from that alliance
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formiranjem tog saveza
13:34
with civil society
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s civilnim društvom
13:36
in different countries
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u različitim državama
13:38
to support their problem-solving,
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kako bismo podržali njihovo rješavanje problema -
13:40
among the Afghans,
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i to između Afganistanaca,
13:42
inside the Palestinian population,
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unutar palestinske populacije,
13:45
between the peoples of Palestine and Israel.
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između naroda Palestine i Izraela.
13:47
And as we try to understand this broad movement
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Dok pokušavamo razumjeti ovaj veliki pokret
13:50
across the Arab world,
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širom arapskog svijeta,
13:52
we are not powerless.
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nismo bespomoćni.
13:54
We need to improve the necessary skills,
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Moramo poboljšati potrebne vještine,
13:56
and we need the courage to use them.
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i moramo imati hrabrosti koristiti ih.
13:58
In my country,
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U mojoj državi,
14:00
I have seen how the council of Islamist groups
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svjedočio sam kako vijeće islamističkih skupina
14:05
and Christian groups
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i kršćanske skupine
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came together, not as a government initiative,
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surađuju, ali ne preko vladine inicijative,
14:10
but they came together on their own initiative
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već preko vlastite
14:12
to establish contact and dialogue
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i to kako bi uspostavili kontakt i dijalog
14:14
in times where things were pretty low-key tension.
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u vremenima kada odnosi nisu bili zategnuti.
14:18
And when tension increased,
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A kada se napetost povećala,
14:20
they already had that dialogue,
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oni su već imali taj dijalog,
14:23
and that was a strength to deal with different issues.
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i u njemu je bila snaga za rješavanje različitih problema.
14:26
Our modern Western societies
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Naša su moderna zapadnjačka društva
14:28
are more complex than before,
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kompleksnija nego prije,
14:30
in this time of migration.
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u ovom vremenu migracija.
14:32
How are we going to settle and build a bigger "We"
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Kako ćemo se dogovoriti i izgraditi veće "Mi"
14:35
to deal with our issues
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kako bismo se obračunali sa svojim problemima
14:37
if we don't improve our skills of communication?
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ako ne poboljšamo svoje vještine komunikacije?
14:39
So there are many reasons,
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Dakle, puno je razloga
14:41
and for all of these reasons,
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i svog svih tih razloga,
14:43
this is time and this is why we must talk.
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ovo je vrijeme i to su razlozi zašto moramo razgovarati.
14:46
Thank you for your attention.
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Hvala vam na vašoj pažnji.
14:48
(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Jonas Gahr Støre - Foreign Minister of NorwayJonas Gahr Støre is the Norwegian Foreign Minister, charged with working for Norway's interests internationally.
Why you should listen
Norway sits on the edge of the strategically important North Atlantic and is blessed with oil, gas and marine resources. Its economy is open and busy, its social programs generous. As Minister of Foreign Affairs, Jonas Gahr Støre's job is to represent Norway in the international community and work to preserve the nation's peace and stability -- and to help create a modern multicultural society that welcomes immigrants and new traditions. This is not an abstract question after the shocking violence of 2011's terrorist attack on Norway.
Støre's approach to this task: We must talk.
He is a former executive director at the World Health Organization, and was also the Executive Chairman of the Norwegian think-tank ECON Analyse. Before becoming Foreign Minister he served as Secretary General of the Norwegian Red Cross from 2003 to 2005.
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