ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Sue Jaye Johnson - Journalist, filmmaker, writer
TED Resident Sue Jaye Johnson explores the ways cultural expectations shape our public and private behavior.

Why you should listen

Working across mediums, from radio, film, print and interactive media, Sue Jaye Johnson has investigated the US criminal justice system, women in sports, the legacy of apartheid and girls in South Africa. As a TED Resident, she is examining our current relationship with pleasure and sex through intimate interviews with people from all walks of life asking what they believe about sex and why. She is working on a book about rethinking how we talk about sexuality and sensuality fostered by this series of interviews.

Jaye is a two-time Peabody-winner and recipient of a Creative Capital award for her pioneering interactive documentary about US prisons. Her first feature film, T-Rex (PBS, Netflix) followed 17-year-old boxer Claressa Shields from Flint, Michigan to the gold medal at the London Olympics. Her work has been broadcast on PBS, NPR, WNY and published in the New York Times and The Washington Post
She studied visual arts at Harvard University and interactive telecommunications at New York University. She lives in New York City with radio producer and frequent collaborator Joe Richman and their two daughters.

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Sue Jaye Johnson: What we don't teach kids about sex

Sue Jaye Johnson: O que não ensinamos às crianças sobre sexo

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Como pais, é nosso dever ensinar nossos filhos sobre sexo. Mas, além da "conversa", que abrange a biologia e a reprodução, há muito mais do que podemos dizer sobre a experiência humana de estar em nosso corpo. Apresentando "The Talk 2.0", Sue Jaye Johnson nos mostra como podemos ensinar nossas crianças a ficarem em harmonia com suas sensações e dar a elas a linguagem para comunicarem seus desejos e emoções, sem desistirem ou se sentirem incapazes.
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TED Resident Sue Jaye Johnson explores the ways cultural expectations shape our public and private behavior. Full bio

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00:12
I remember my aunt
brushing my hair when I was a child.
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Lembro-me de minha tia escovando
meu cabelo quando eu era criança.
00:16
I felt this tingling in my stomach,
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Eu sentia um formigamento
no estômago, um inchaço na barriga.
00:18
this swelling in my belly.
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00:21
All her attention on me,
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Toda a atenção dela para mim,
apenas para mim.
00:23
just me.
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00:25
My beautiful Aunt Bea,
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Minha bela tia Bea,
00:27
stroking my hair
with a fine-bristled brush.
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acariciando meu cabelo
com uma escova de cerdas finas.
00:31
Do you have a memory like that
that you can feel in your body right now?
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Vocês têm lembranças como essa
que podem sentir em seu corpo agora?
00:35
Before language,
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Antes da linguagem,
00:37
we're all sensation.
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somos todos sensações.
00:39
As children, that's how we learn
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Quando crianças, é assim que aprendemos
a nos diferenciar no mundo: pelo toque.
00:40
to differentiate ourselves
in the world -- through touch.
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Tudo vai na boca, nas mãos, na pele.
00:43
Everything goes in the mouth,
the hands, on the skin.
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00:47
Sensation --
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A sensação
00:48
it is the way that we first
experience love.
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é a forma como experimentamos
o amor pela primeira vez.
00:52
It's the basis of human connection.
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É a base da conexão humana.
00:56
We want our children to grow up
to have healthy intimate relationships.
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Queremos que nossas crianças cresçam
para ter relações íntimas saudáveis.
01:00
So as parents,
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Como pais, uma das coisas que fazemos
é ensinar aos nossos filhos sobre sexo.
01:01
one of the things that we do
is we teach our children about sex.
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Temos livros para nos ajudar,
educação sexual básica nas escolas.
01:04
We have books to help us,
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01:06
we have sex ed at school for the basics.
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01:08
There's porn to fill in the gaps --
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Há pornografia para preencher as lacunas,
01:11
and it will fill in the gaps.
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que irá preencher as lacunas.
01:13
(Laughter)
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(Risos)
01:14
We teach our children "the talk"
about biology and mechanics,
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Ensinamos aos nossos filhos
a "conversa" sobre biologia e mecânica,
01:18
about pregnancy and safe sex,
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sobre gravidez e sexo seguro,
01:20
and that's what our kids grow up thinking
that sex is pretty much all about.
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e eles crescem pensando que o sexo
é sobre praticamente tudo.
01:24
But we can do better than that.
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Mas podemos fazer melhor do que isso.
01:26
We can teach our sons and daughters
about pleasure and desire,
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Podemos ensinar aos nossos filhos
e às nossas filhas sobre prazer e desejo,
01:31
about consent and boundaries,
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sobre consentimento e limites,
01:33
about what it feels like
to be present in their body
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sobre como é estar
presentes no corpo deles
01:37
and to know when they're not.
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e saber quando não estão.
01:39
And we do that in the ways
that we model touch, play,
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Fazemos isso na maneira
como modelamos o toque, o jogo,
01:43
make eye contact --
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fazemos contato visual,
01:45
all the ways that we engage their senses.
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todas as maneiras como envolvemos
as sensações deles.
Podemos ensinar aos nossos filhos
não apenas sobre sexo,
01:48
We can teach our children
not just about sex,
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01:50
but about sensuality.
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mas também sobre sensualidade.
01:54
This is the kind of talk
that I needed as a girl.
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Eu precisava desse tipo
de conversa quando menina.
01:56
I was extremely sensitive,
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Eu era extremamente sensível,
01:58
but by the time I was an adolescent,
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mas, quando eu era adolescente,
era incapaz de sentir qualquer coisa.
02:00
I had numbed out.
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02:02
The shame of boys mocking my changing body
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A vergonha dos meninos zombando
da mudança de meu corpo
02:04
and then girls exiling me for,
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e as meninas, ironicamente, me banindo
por causa do meu interesse por meninos.
02:06
ironically, my interest in boys,
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02:09
it was so much.
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Era demais para mim.
02:13
I didn't have any language
for what I was experiencing;
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Eu não sabia falar sobre o que eu
estava passando, nem que isso passaria.
02:15
I didn't know it was going to pass.
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02:17
So I did the best thing
I could at the time
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Fiz então a melhor coisa
que poderia ter feito na época
02:20
and I checked out.
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e parei de me importar.
02:22
And you can't isolate
just the difficult feelings,
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Não dá para isolar
apenas os sentimentos árduos.
Perdi, então, o acesso à alegria,
ao prazer, à brincadeira,
02:24
so I lost access to the joy,
the pleasure, the play,
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02:27
and I spent decades like that,
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e passei décadas assim,
com essa depressão leve,
02:28
with this his low-grade depression,
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02:30
thinking that this is
what it meant to be a grown-up.
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achando que isso era
o significado de ser adulto.
No ano passado, entrevistei pessoas
sobre o relacionamento delas com o sexo
02:35
For the past year,
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02:36
I've been interviewing men and women
about their relationship to sex
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e ouvi minha história várias vezes:
02:39
and I've heard my story again and again.
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meninas a quem disseram
que eram sensíveis demais;
02:41
Girls who were told
they were too sensitive, too much.
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meninos que foram ensinados a ser homens:
02:44
Boys who were taught to man up --
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02:46
"don't be so emotional."
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"Não seja tão emotivo".
02:48
I learned I was not alone in checking out.
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Descobri que eu não era a única
a me sentir daquela forma.
02:54
It was my daughter who reminded me
of how much I used to feel.
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Foi minha filha quem me lembrou
do quanto eu costumava sentir.
03:00
We were at the beach.
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Estávamos na praia.
Era um daqueles dias raros.
03:01
It was this rare day.
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03:03
I turned off my cell phone,
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Desliguei meu celular,
03:05
put in the calendar,
"Day at the beach with the girls."
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coloquei no calendário:
"Dia na praia com as meninas".
03:08
I laid our towels down
just out of reach of the surf
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Deixei nossas toalhas
fora do alcance das águas do surfe
03:12
and fell asleep.
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e adormeci.
03:14
And when I woke up,
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Quando acordei, vi minha filha
passando areia no braço assim.
03:15
I saw my daughter
drizzling sand on her arm like this,
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03:21
and I could feel that light tickle
of sand on her skin
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Eu podia sentir aquela leve
cócega de areia na pele dela
03:27
and I remembered my aunt brushing my hair.
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e me lembrei de minha tia
escovando meu cabelo.
03:31
So I curled up next to her
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Então me sentei ao lado dela,
03:32
and I drizzled sand on her other arm
and then her legs.
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espalhei areia no outro braço
e depois nas pernas dela.
03:37
And then I said,
"Hey, you want me to bury you?"
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Então eu disse:
"Quer que eu enterre você?"
03:41
And her eyes got really big
and she was like, "Yeah!"
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Os olhos dela se arregalaram
e ela disse: "Sim!"
03:43
So we dug a hole
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Cavamos um buraco,
eu a cobri de areia e conchas
03:45
and I covered her in sand and shells
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03:46
and drew this little mermaid tail.
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e desenhei um pequeno rabo de sereia.
Depois a levei para casa
e a cobri com espuma no chuveiro,
03:49
And then I took her home
and lathered her up in the shower
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massageei o couro cabeludo
e a sequei com uma toalha.
03:52
and massaged her scalp
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03:53
and I dried her off in a towel.
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03:55
And I thought,
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Então pensei:
"Ah, quantas vezes eu tinha feito isso:
dado banho nela e a secado,
03:57
"Ah. How many times had I done that --
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03:59
bathed her and dried her off --
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mas nunca havia parado e prestado atenção
04:01
but had I ever stopped and paid attention
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04:03
to the sensations
that I was creating for her?"
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nas sensações que
eu estava criando para ela?"
Eu a tratava como se estivesse
numa linha de produção
04:07
I'd been treating her
like she was on some assembly line
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de crianças precisando ser
alimentadas e colocadas na cama.
04:10
of children needing to be fed
and put to bed.
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04:13
And I realized
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Eu me dei conta de que, quando seco
minha filha em uma toalha, carinhosamente,
04:14
that when I dry my daughter off
in a towel tenderly the way a lover would,
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como um namorado faria,
04:19
I'm teaching her
to expect that kind of touch.
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estou ensinando a ela
a esperar esse tipo de toque.
04:24
I'm teaching her in that moment
about intimacy.
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Estou ensinando a ela,
nesse momento, sobre a intimidade,
04:27
About how to love her body
and respect her body.
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sobre como amar e respeitar seu corpo.
04:31
I realized there are parts of the talk
that can't be conveyed in words.
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Percebi que nem tudo
pode ser expresso em palavras.
04:37
In her book, "Girls and Sex,"
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No livro "Girls & Sex",
a escritora Peggy Orenstein
04:38
writer Peggy Orenstein finds
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descobre que as mulheres jovens
estão focadas no prazer de seus parceiros
04:41
that young women are focusing
on their partner's pleasure,
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04:44
not their own.
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e não no delas.
04:47
This is something I'm going to talk about
with my girls when they're older,
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Conversarei sobre isso
mais tarde com minhas filhas,
mas, por enquanto, procuro ajudá-las
a identificar o que lhes dá prazer
04:50
but for now, I look for ways to help them
identify what gives them pleasure
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04:54
and to practice articulating that.
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e a praticar a expressão disso.
04:58
"Rub my back," my daughter says
when I tuck her in.
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"Esfregue minhas costas",
diz minha filha quando eu a cubro.
05:01
And I say, "OK, how do you want me
to rub your back?"
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Digo: "Está bem, como quer
que eu esfregue suas costas?"
05:05
"I don't know," she says.
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"Não sei", diz ela.
05:07
So I pause, waiting for her directions.
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Então paro, esperando as instruções dela.
05:10
Finally she says,
"OK, up and to the right,
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Finalmente, diz: "Pra cima e pra direita,
como se estivesse me fazendo cócegas".
05:12
like you're tickling me."
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05:14
I run my fingertips up her spine.
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Passo a ponta dos dedos
na coluna vertebral.
05:16
"What else?" I ask.
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"O que mais?", pergunto.
05:18
"Over to the left, a little harder now."
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"Mais pra esquerda,
um pouco mais forte agora".
05:21
We need to teach our children
how to articulate their sensations
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Precisamos ensinar às nossas crianças
como expressar as sensações
05:25
so they're familiar with them.
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para se familiarizarem com elas.
05:27
I look for ways to play games
with my girls at home to do this.
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Para isso, procuro fazer brincadeiras
com minhas filhas em casa.
05:30
I scratch my fingernails
on my daughter's arm and say,
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Arranho o braço da minha filha e digo:
"Diga uma palavra para descrever isso".
05:33
"Give me one word to describe this."
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05:35
"Violent," she says.
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"Violento", diz ela.
05:38
I embrace her, hold her tight.
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Eu a abraço, aperto-a com força.
05:40
"Protected," she tells me.
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"Protegida", ela me diz.
05:43
I find opportunities
to tell them how I'm feeling,
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Encontro oportunidades para dizer
a elas como eu estou me sentindo,
05:46
what I'm experiencing,
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o que estou experimentando;
temos uma linguagem comum.
05:47
so we have common language.
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05:48
Like right now,
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Como agora, essa sensação,
descendo pela espinha,
05:50
this tingling in my scalp down my spine
means I'm nervous and I'm excited.
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significa que estou nervosa e animada.
05:55
You are likely experiencing sensations
in response to me.
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Vocês devem estar tendo
sensações em resposta a mim,
05:59
The language I'm using,
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sobre a linguagem que estou usando,
as ideias que estou compartilhando.
06:01
the ideas I'm sharing.
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06:03
And our tendency
is to judge these reactions
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Nossa tendência é julgar essas reações
e classificá-las em uma hierarquia,
06:06
and sort them into a hierarchy:
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06:08
better or worse,
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melhor ou pior, e depois
procurá-las ou evitá-las.
06:09
and then seek or avoid them.
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Isso ocorre porque vivemos
numa cultura binária
06:12
And that's because we live
in this binary culture
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e aprendemos desde cedo
a classificar o mundo em bom e ruim.
06:14
and we're taught from a very young age
to sort the world into good and bad.
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06:19
"Did you like that book?"
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"Você gostou desse livro?"
06:21
"Did you have a good day?"
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"Você teve um bom dia?"
06:23
How about, "What did you
notice about that story?"
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Que tal: "O que você
notou nessa história?"
06:26
"Tell me a moment about your day.
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"Fale-me sobre um momento
do seu dia. O que você aprendeu?"
06:28
What did you learn?"
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06:30
Let's teach our children to stay open
and curious about their experiences,
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Vamos ensinar nossas crianças a permanecer
abertas e curiosas sobre as experiências,
06:34
like a traveler in a foreign land.
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como viajantes em uma terra estrangeira.
06:38
And that way they can stay with sensation
without checking out --
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Assim elas podem ficar com as sensações,
sem pararem de se importar,
06:42
even the heightened
and challenging ones --
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mesmo as mais elevadas e desafiadoras,
06:44
the way I did,
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como eu fiz e muitos de nós temos feito.
06:45
the way so many of us have.
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06:47
This sense education,
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Esta educação sensorial
é a que quero para minhas filhas.
06:49
this is education I want for my daughters.
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06:51
Sense education is what I needed as girl.
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A educação sensorial era
o que eu precisava como menina.
06:55
It's what I hope for all of our children.
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É o que espero para todas
as nossas crianças.
06:58
This awareness of sensation,
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É a partir dessa consciência sensorial
que começamos como crianças.
07:00
it's where we began as children.
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07:02
It's what we can learn from our children
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É o que podemos aprender
com nossas crianças
07:05
and it's what we can
in turn remind our children
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e o que podemos, por sua vez,
lembrar nossas crianças
07:08
as they come of age.
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à medida que atingem a maturidade.
07:12
Thank you.
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Obrigada.
07:13
(Applause)
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(Aplausos)
Translated by Maurício Kakuei Tanaka
Reviewed by Leonardo Silva

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ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Sue Jaye Johnson - Journalist, filmmaker, writer
TED Resident Sue Jaye Johnson explores the ways cultural expectations shape our public and private behavior.

Why you should listen

Working across mediums, from radio, film, print and interactive media, Sue Jaye Johnson has investigated the US criminal justice system, women in sports, the legacy of apartheid and girls in South Africa. As a TED Resident, she is examining our current relationship with pleasure and sex through intimate interviews with people from all walks of life asking what they believe about sex and why. She is working on a book about rethinking how we talk about sexuality and sensuality fostered by this series of interviews.

Jaye is a two-time Peabody-winner and recipient of a Creative Capital award for her pioneering interactive documentary about US prisons. Her first feature film, T-Rex (PBS, Netflix) followed 17-year-old boxer Claressa Shields from Flint, Michigan to the gold medal at the London Olympics. Her work has been broadcast on PBS, NPR, WNY and published in the New York Times and The Washington Post
She studied visual arts at Harvard University and interactive telecommunications at New York University. She lives in New York City with radio producer and frequent collaborator Joe Richman and their two daughters.

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