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Matt Kenyon: A secret memorial for civilian casualties
Met Kenjon (Matt Kenyon): Kako sam prokrijumčario spomen na iračke civile u vladu SAD-a
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Procenjuje se da je 150 000 do milion iračkih civila umrlo kao posledica američke invazije 2003. godine. Umetnik Met Kenjon je želeo da napravi spomenik za njih. Ali, umesto da izgradi veliki kamen stub, napravio je spomenik malih dimenzija i lak za kopiranje. Proveo je pet godina krišom ga unoseći ga u sale moći - uključujući direktno u ruke američkog tužioca koji je bilo na funkciji tokom rata, što je i snimljeno kamerom.
Matt Kenyon - New media artist
From a plant that lives or dies based on stock prices to an oilcan that flows backward, Matt Kenyon creates art that startles, amuses and challenges assumptions. Full bio
From a plant that lives or dies based on stock prices to an oilcan that flows backward, Matt Kenyon creates art that startles, amuses and challenges assumptions. Full bio
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00:13
There's this quote by activist and punk
rock musician Jello Biafra that I love.
rock musician Jello Biafra that I love.
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Postoji citat koji volim od aktiviste
i pank rok muzičara Džela Bijafre.
i pank rok muzičara Džela Bijafre.
00:18
He says, "Don't hate the media.
Be the media."
Be the media."
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On kaže: „Ne mrzite medije.
Budite mediji".
Budite mediji".
00:23
I'm an artist.
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Ja sam umetnik.
00:24
I like working with media and technology
because A, I'm familiar with them
because A, I'm familiar with them
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Volim da radim sa medijima i tehnologijom
jer, pod A, upoznat sam sa njima
jer, pod A, upoznat sam sa njima
00:29
and I like the power they hold.
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i sviđa mi se njihova moć
00:31
And B, I hate them and I'm terrified
of the power they hold.
of the power they hold.
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i pod B,
mrzim ih i bojim se moći koju imaju.
mrzim ih i bojim se moći koju imaju.
00:35
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
00:37
I remember watching, in 2003, an interview
between Fox News host Tony Snow
between Fox News host Tony Snow
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Sećam se da sam 2003. godine gledao
intervju voditelja Foks Njuza,
Tonija Snoua,
Tonija Snoua,
sa tadašnjim američkim sekretarom odbrane
00:42
and then-US Defense Secretary,
Donald Rumsfeld.
Donald Rumsfeld.
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Donaldom Ramsfeldom.
00:47
They were talking
about the recent invasion of Iraq,
about the recent invasion of Iraq,
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Pričali su o nedavnoj invaziji Iraka
00:50
and Rumsfeld is asked the question,
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i Ramsfeldu je postavljeno pitanje:
00:53
"Well, we're hear about our body counts,
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„Čujemo o našem broju žrtava,
00:55
but we never hear about theirs, why?"
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ali nikada o njihovom. Zašto?"
00:59
And Rumsfeld's answer is,
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Ramsfeldov odgovor je:
01:03
"Well, we don't do body counts
on other people."
on other people."
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„Pa, ne brojimo žrtve drugih ljudi."
01:07
Right?
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Zar ne?
01:09
It's estimated that between 150,000
to one million Iraqis, civilians,
to one million Iraqis, civilians,
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Procenjeno je da je između 150 000
i jednog miliona Iračana, civila,
i jednog miliona Iračana, civila,
01:14
have died as a result
of the US-led invasion in 2003.
of the US-led invasion in 2003.
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poginulo kao rezultat invazije
koju su predvodile SAD 2003. godine.
koju su predvodile SAD 2003. godine.
01:19
That number is in stark contrast with
the 4,486 US service members who died
the 4,486 US service members who died
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Taj broj potpuno odudara
u odnosu na 4 486 američkih vojnika
u odnosu na 4 486 američkih vojnika
01:25
during that same window of time.
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koji su izgubili živote
tokom istog perioda.
tokom istog perioda.
Želeo sam da učinim
više od samog podizanja svesti
više od samog podizanja svesti
01:28
I wanted to do more than just bring
awareness to this terrifying number.
awareness to this terrifying number.
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o ovom zastrašujućem broju.
01:32
I wanted to create a monument
for the individual civilians
for the individual civilians
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Želeo sam da stvorim spomenik
za pojedinačne civile
za pojedinačne civile
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who died as a result of the invasion.
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koji su poginuli zbog invazije.
01:39
Monuments to war,
such as Maya Lin's Vietnam Memorial,
such as Maya Lin's Vietnam Memorial,
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Spomenici ratu,
kakav je „Vijetnamski spomenik" Maje Lin,
kakav je „Vijetnamski spomenik" Maje Lin,
01:42
are often enormous in scale.
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često su ogromni.
01:44
Very powerful and very one-sided.
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Veoma su moćni i jednostrani.
01:48
I wanted my monument to live
in the world, and to circulate.
in the world, and to circulate.
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Želeo sam da moj spomenik
živi u svetu i cirkuliše.
živi u svetu i cirkuliše.
01:54
I remember when I was a boy in school,
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Sećam se kada sam bio dečak u školi,
01:57
my teacher assigned us
this classic civics assignment
this classic civics assignment
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učitelj nam je zadao
klasičan zadatak iz građanskog vaspitanja
klasičan zadatak iz građanskog vaspitanja
02:01
where you take a sheet of paper
and you write a member of your government.
and you write a member of your government.
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gde uzmete list papira
i pišete članu svoje vlade.
i pišete članu svoje vlade.
Rečeno nam je da,
ako napišemo stvarno dobro pismo,
ako napišemo stvarno dobro pismo,
02:06
And we were told,
if we wrote a really good letter,
if we wrote a really good letter,
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ako stvarno razmislimo o tome,
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if we really thought about it,
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02:10
we would get back more than just
a simple formed letter as a reply.
a simple formed letter as a reply.
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da ćemo dobiti kao odgovor
više od jednostavno formulisanog pisma.
više od jednostavno formulisanog pisma.
Ovo je moja "Beležnica".
02:16
This is my "Notepad."
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02:19
What looks like an everyday,
yellow legal tablet of paper
yellow legal tablet of paper
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Ono što izgleda kao uobičajeni,
žuti tabak papira
žuti tabak papira
02:22
is actually a monument
to the individual Iraqi civilians
to the individual Iraqi civilians
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u stvari je spomenik
pojedinačnim iračkim civilima
pojedinačnim iračkim civilima
02:25
that died as a result of the US invasion.
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koji su izgubili živote
zbog američke invazije.
zbog američke invazije.
02:30
"Notepad" is an act of protest
and an act of commemoration
and an act of commemoration
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„Beležnica" je čin protesta
i čin komemoracije
i čin komemoracije
02:34
disguised as an everyday tablet of paper.
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prerušen u uobičajeni tabak papira.
02:38
The lines of the paper, when magnified,
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Linije papira, kada se uvećaju,
02:42
are revealed to be micro-printed text
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otkrivaju da su tekst u mikroštampi
02:44
that contains the details, the names,
the dates and locations
the dates and locations
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koji sadrži detalje, imena,
datume i lokacije
datume i lokacije
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of individual Iraqi civilians that died.
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pojedinačnih iračkih civila
koji su poginuli.
koji su poginuli.
02:54
So, for the last 5 years, I've been taking
pads of this paper, tons of this stuff,
pads of this paper, tons of this stuff,
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Tako sam proteklih 5 godina
uzimao ove blokove, na tone,
uzimao ove blokove, na tone,
02:58
and smuggling it
into the stationery supplies
into the stationery supplies
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i krijumčario ih u kancelarijske zalihe
03:01
of the United States
and the Coalition governments.
and the Coalition governments.
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vlada Sjedinjenih Država i Koalicije.
03:04
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
03:05
(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
Ne moram da vam kažem da ovo nije mesto
03:14
I don't have to tell you guys this is not
the place to discuss how I did that.
the place to discuss how I did that.
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za diskusiju o tome kako sam to radio.
03:18
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
03:20
But also, I've been meeting one-on-one
with members and former members
with members and former members
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Takođe sam se sretao jedan na jedan
sa članovima i bivšim članovima
sa članovima i bivšim članovima
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of the so-called Coalition of the Willing,
who assisted in the invasion.
who assisted in the invasion.
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tzv. „Koalicije voljnih"
koja je pomagala pri invaziji.
koja je pomagala pri invaziji.
03:31
And so, whenever I can,
I meet with one of them,
I meet with one of them,
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Tako, kada god mogu,
sretnem se sa nekim od njih
sretnem se sa nekim od njih
03:33
and I share the project with them.
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i podelim svoj projekat sa njima.
03:35
And last summer, I had the chance to meet
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Prošlog leta, imao sam prilike da sretnem
03:37
with former United States Attorney General
and Torture Memo author, Alberto Gonzales.
and Torture Memo author, Alberto Gonzales.
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bivšeg američkog državnog tužioca
i autora „Memoranduma o mučenju",
Alberta Gonzalesa.
Alberta Gonzalesa.
03:44
(Video) Matt Kenyon:
May I give this to you?
May I give this to you?
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(Video) Kenjon Martin:
Mogu li da Vam dam ovo?
Mogu li da Vam dam ovo?
03:46
This is a special legal tablet.
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Ovo je posebna sveska za beleške.
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It's actually part
of an ongoing art project.
of an ongoing art project.
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U stvari je deo projekta u toku.
Alberto Gonzales:
Ovo je posebna sveska za beleške?
Ovo je posebna sveska za beleške?
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Alberto Gonzalez:
This is a special legal pad?
This is a special legal pad?
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MK: Da. Nećete mi verovati,
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MK: Yes. You won't believe me,
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ali je u kolekciji
Muzeja moderne umetnosti;
Muzeja moderne umetnosti;
03:55
but it's in the collection of the Museum
of Modern Art; I'm an artist.
of Modern Art; I'm an artist.
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ja sam umetnik.
AG: Okej.
03:59
MK: And all of the lines
of the paper are actually --
of the paper are actually --
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MK: Sve ove linije papira su u stvari -
04:02
AG: Are they going to disappear?
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AG: Da li će nestati?
04:03
MK: No, they're micro-printed text
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MK: Ne, one su tekst u mikroštampi
04:06
that contains the names
of individual Iraqi civilians
of individual Iraqi civilians
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koji sadrži imena
pojedinačnih iračkih civila
pojedinačnih iračkih civila
04:10
who have died since the invasion of Iraq.
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koji su izgubili živote
od početka invazije na Irak.
od početka invazije na Irak.
04:13
AG: Yeah. OK.
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AG: Da. Okej.
04:16
AG: Thank you. MK: Thank you.
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AG: Hvala vam. MK: Hvala vam.
04:18
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
04:20
The way he says "thank you"
really creeps me out.
really creeps me out.
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Način na koji kaže „Hvala vam"
me stvarno plaši.
me stvarno plaši.
04:23
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
04:25
OK, so I'd like each of you
to look under your chairs.
to look under your chairs.
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Okej, želeo bih da svako od vas pogleda
ispod svoje stolice.
ispod svoje stolice.
04:28
There's an envelope.
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Tamo je koverta
04:32
And please open it.
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i molim vas da je otvorite.
04:38
The paper you're holding in your hand
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Papir koji držite u ruci
04:41
contains the details of Iraqi civilians
that died as result of the invasion.
that died as result of the invasion.
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sadrži detalje o iračkim civilima
koji su izgubili živote zbog invazije.
koji su izgubili živote zbog invazije.
04:50
I'd like you to use this paper
and write a member of government.
and write a member of government.
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Želeo bih da iskoristite ovaj papir
i pišete članu vlade.
i pišete članu vlade.
04:54
You can help to smuggle
this civilian body count
this civilian body count
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Možete pomoći u krijumčarenju
broja civilnih žrtava
broja civilnih žrtava
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into government archives.
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u arhive vlade
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Because every letter
that's sent in to the government,
that's sent in to the government,
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jer je svako pismo koje je poslato vladi -
a ovo je tako i širom sveta, naravno -
05:05
and this is all across
the world, of course --
the world, of course --
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every letter that is sent in
is archived, filed and recorded.
is archived, filed and recorded.
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svako pismo koje je poslato
se arhivira, knjiži i zavodi.
se arhivira, knjiži i zavodi.
05:13
Together, we can put this in the mailboxes
and under the noses of people in power.
and under the noses of people in power.
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Zajedno možemo ovo staviti
u poštanske sandučiće
u poštanske sandučiće
i ispred nosa ljudima koji su na vlasti.
05:19
Everything that's sent in
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Sve što je poslato
05:21
eventually becomes part of the permanent
archive of our government,
archive of our government,
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na kraju postaje deo trajne arhive
naše vlade,
naše vlade,
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our shared historical record.
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naš zajednički istorijski zapis.
05:30
Thank you.
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Hvala vam.
05:31
(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
05:42
Tom Rielly: So, tell me Matt,
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Tom Rajli: Reci mi, Met,
05:43
how did this idea
come into your head, of "Notepad"?
come into your head, of "Notepad"?
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kako ti je sinula ideja o Beležnici?
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Matt Kenyon: I'd just finished a project
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Met Kenjon: Upravo sam završio projekat
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that dealt with
the US Coalition side of the war
the US Coalition side of the war
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koji se bavio stranom rata
američke Koalicije
američke Koalicije
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and it was a black armband that was called
the "Improvised Empathetic Device"
the "Improvised Empathetic Device"
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i bila je to crna traka za ruku
koja se zvala
koja se zvala
„improvizovani uređaj za empatiju"
06:00
which accumulated, in real time,
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koji je akumulirao tokom vremena
06:03
the names, ranks,
cause of death and location
cause of death and location
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imena, činove, uzroke smrti i mesto
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of US service members
who had died overseas,
who had died overseas,
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američkih vojnika koji su poginuli
van zemlje,
van zemlje,
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and each time the Department of Defense
or CENTCOM released their data,
or CENTCOM released their data,
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a svakoga puta kada bi
Ministarstvo odbrane ili CENTCOM
Ministarstvo odbrane ili CENTCOM
objavili podatke,
06:13
it would stab me in the arm.
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ubolo bi me u ruku.
06:15
And so, I became aware
that there was a spectacle
that there was a spectacle
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Tako, postao sam svestan
da postoji spektakl
da postoji spektakl
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associated with our own people
who were dying overseas,
who were dying overseas,
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povezan sa našim ljudima
koji poginu van zemlje,
koji poginu van zemlje,
06:21
but a disproportionate
amount of casualties
amount of casualties
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ali neproporcionalni broj žrtava
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were the civilian casualties.
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bile su građanske žrtve.
06:26
TR: Thank you so much.
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TR: Hvala ti.
06:27
MK: Thank you.
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MK: Hvala vama.
(Aplauz)
06:28
(Applause)
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ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Matt Kenyon - New media artistFrom a plant that lives or dies based on stock prices to an oilcan that flows backward, Matt Kenyon creates art that startles, amuses and challenges assumptions.
Why you should listen
Matt Kenyon works at the intersection of art and technology, creating pieces that question society’s large, complex systems — from our reliance on global corporations and oil, to the military-industrial complex. His works include: “SPORE 1.1,” a self-sustaining ecosystem for a rubber tree, purchased from The Home Depot and watered in conjunction with Home Depot stock prices; “Supermajor,” a collection of vintage oilcans with droplets of oil that defy gravity and flow back into a punctured hole; and ”Notepad,” a commemoration of the Iraqi civilians who died as a result of the US-led invasion, printed in the lines of what appear to be your average, everyday legal pads.
Kenyon creates these projects through SWAMP, or Studies of Work Atmosphere and Mass Production. He teaches art at the University of Michigan's Stamps School of Art & Design.
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