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Matt Kenyon: A secret memorial for civilian casualties
Matt Kenyon: Kako sam potajno unio spomenik iračkim civilima u američku vladu
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Procijenjuje se da je između 150,000 i milijun iračkih civila poginulo kao rezultat invazije predvođene SAD-om 2003. Umjetnik Matt Kenyon htio im je napraviti spomenik. Ali rađe nego da izgradi veliki uspravni kamen,on je ovaj spomenik napravio malim i lako replicirajućim. Proveo je pet godina potajno ga unoseći u hodnike moći — uključujući izravno u ruke američkog pravobranitelja koji je bio na toj poziciji tijekom rata, a razmjena je zabilježena na kameri.
Matt Kenyon - New media artist
From a plant that lives or dies based on stock prices to an oilcan that flows backward, Matt Kenyon creates art that startles, amuses and challenges assumptions. Full bio
From a plant that lives or dies based on stock prices to an oilcan that flows backward, Matt Kenyon creates art that startles, amuses and challenges assumptions. Full bio
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00:13
There's this quote by activist and punk
rock musician Jello Biafra that I love.
rock musician Jello Biafra that I love.
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Postoji jedan citat aktivista i punk rock
glazbenika Jella Biafre koji volim.
glazbenika Jella Biafre koji volim.
00:18
He says, "Don't hate the media.
Be the media."
Be the media."
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On kaže: "Nemojte mrziti medije.
Budite mediji."
Budite mediji."
00:23
I'm an artist.
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Ja sam umjetnik.
00:24
I like working with media and technology
because A, I'm familiar with them
because A, I'm familiar with them
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Volim raditi s medijima i tehnologijom
jer, pod prvo, dobro su mi poznati
jer, pod prvo, dobro su mi poznati
00:29
and I like the power they hold.
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i volim moć koju posjeduju.
00:31
And B, I hate them and I'm terrified
of the power they hold.
of the power they hold.
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I pod drugo, mrzim ih i užasavam se
moći koju posjeduju.
moći koju posjeduju.
00:35
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
00:37
I remember watching, in 2003, an interview
between Fox News host Tony Snow
between Fox News host Tony Snow
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Sjećam se kako sam 2003.-e gledao intervju
voditelja Fox News-a Tonyja Snowa
voditelja Fox News-a Tonyja Snowa
00:42
and then-US Defense Secretary,
Donald Rumsfeld.
Donald Rumsfeld.
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s tadašnjim američkim ministrom
obrane Donaldom Rumsfeldom.
obrane Donaldom Rumsfeldom.
00:47
They were talking
about the recent invasion of Iraq,
about the recent invasion of Iraq,
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Razgovorali su o nedavnoj invaziji na Irak
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and Rumsfeld is asked the question,
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i Rumsfeldu je postavljeno pitanje:
00:53
"Well, we're hear about our body counts,
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"Čujemo o broju naših žrtava,
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but we never hear about theirs, why?"
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ali nikad ne čujemo o
broju njihovih, zašto?"
broju njihovih, zašto?"
00:59
And Rumsfeld's answer is,
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A Rumsfeld je odgovorio:
01:03
"Well, we don't do body counts
on other people."
on other people."
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"Pa, mi ne preobrajavamo tuđe žrtve."
01:07
Right?
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Jelda?
01:09
It's estimated that between 150,000
to one million Iraqis, civilians,
to one million Iraqis, civilians,
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Procijenjuje se da je izmežu
150,000 i milijun Iračana, civila,
150,000 i milijun Iračana, civila,
01:14
have died as a result
of the US-led invasion in 2003.
of the US-led invasion in 2003.
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poginulo u američkoj invaziji 2003.
01:19
That number is in stark contrast with
the 4,486 US service members who died
the 4,486 US service members who died
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Taj je broj u potpunom kontrastu s 4,486
američkih poginulih vojnika
američkih poginulih vojnika
01:25
during that same window of time.
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u istom razdoblju.
01:28
I wanted to do more than just bring
awareness to this terrifying number.
awareness to this terrifying number.
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Htio sam napraviti više od samog
osviješćivanja ovih zastrašujućih brojki.
osviješćivanja ovih zastrašujućih brojki.
01:32
I wanted to create a monument
for the individual civilians
for the individual civilians
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Htio sam stvoriti spomenik civilima
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who died as a result of the invasion.
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koji su poginuli tijekom invazije.
01:39
Monuments to war,
such as Maya Lin's Vietnam Memorial,
such as Maya Lin's Vietnam Memorial,
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Ratni spomenici, npr.Spomenik vijetnamskim
ratnim veternima Maye Lin,
ratnim veternima Maye Lin,
01:42
are often enormous in scale.
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često su ogromni.
01:44
Very powerful and very one-sided.
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Veoma moćni i veoma jednostrani.
01:48
I wanted my monument to live
in the world, and to circulate.
in the world, and to circulate.
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Ja sam želio spomenik koji će
živjeti u svijetu i kružiti.
živjeti u svijetu i kružiti.
01:54
I remember when I was a boy in school,
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Sjećam se da nam je, kad sam bio školarac,
01:57
my teacher assigned us
this classic civics assignment
this classic civics assignment
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profesorica dala klasičan
građanski zadatak,
građanski zadatak,
02:01
where you take a sheet of paper
and you write a member of your government.
and you write a member of your government.
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u kojem uzmete list papira i
pišete članu svoje vlade.
pišete članu svoje vlade.
02:06
And we were told,
if we wrote a really good letter,
if we wrote a really good letter,
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I rečeno nam je,
napišemo li zaista dobro pismo,
napišemo li zaista dobro pismo,
02:08
if we really thought about it,
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i ako dobro razmislimo o tome,
02:10
we would get back more than just
a simple formed letter as a reply.
a simple formed letter as a reply.
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da ćemo dobili više od jednostavno
formuliranog pisma kao odgovor.
formuliranog pisma kao odgovor.
02:16
This is my "Notepad."
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Ovo je moja "bilježnica".
02:19
What looks like an everyday,
yellow legal tablet of paper
yellow legal tablet of paper
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Ono što izgledao kao svakidašnja,
žuta, legalna skupina papira
žuta, legalna skupina papira
02:22
is actually a monument
to the individual Iraqi civilians
to the individual Iraqi civilians
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je zapravo spomenik iračkim civilima
02:25
that died as a result of the US invasion.
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koji su poginuli u američkoj invaziji.
02:30
"Notepad" is an act of protest
and an act of commemoration
and an act of commemoration
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"Bilježnica" je čin pobune i
čin komemoracije,
čin komemoracije,
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disguised as an everyday tablet of paper.
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prerušen u svakidašnji skup papira.
02:38
The lines of the paper, when magnified,
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Crte papira, kad se pogledaju
pod povećalom,
pod povećalom,
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are revealed to be micro-printed text
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su mikro-tiskan tekst
02:44
that contains the details, the names,
the dates and locations
the dates and locations
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koji sadrži detalje, imena, datume
i mjesta
i mjesta
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of individual Iraqi civilians that died.
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iračkih civila koji su poginuli.
02:54
So, for the last 5 years, I've been taking
pads of this paper, tons of this stuff,
pads of this paper, tons of this stuff,
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Dakle, posljednjih 5 godina, nosim
ove listove papira, tone tih stvari,
ove listove papira, tone tih stvari,
02:58
and smuggling it
into the stationery supplies
into the stationery supplies
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i krijumčarim ih u zalihe papira
03:01
of the United States
and the Coalition governments.
and the Coalition governments.
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SAD-a i Koalicijskih vlada.
03:04
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
03:05
(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
03:14
I don't have to tell you guys this is not
the place to discuss how I did that.
the place to discuss how I did that.
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Ne moram vam reći da ovo nije mjesto na
kojem vam mogu reći kako sam uspio.
kojem vam mogu reći kako sam uspio.
03:18
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
03:20
But also, I've been meeting one-on-one
with members and former members
with members and former members
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Ali isto tako, susrećem se s
članovima i bivšim članovima
članovima i bivšim članovima
03:26
of the so-called Coalition of the Willing,
who assisted in the invasion.
who assisted in the invasion.
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tzv. Koalicije koja je pomogla u invaziji.
03:31
And so, whenever I can,
I meet with one of them,
I meet with one of them,
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I kad god mogu, susretnem
se s nekim od njih
se s nekim od njih
03:33
and I share the project with them.
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te s njima podijelim projekt.
03:35
And last summer, I had the chance to meet
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Prošlog sam ljeta imao priliku upoznati
03:37
with former United States Attorney General
and Torture Memo author, Alberto Gonzales.
and Torture Memo author, Alberto Gonzales.
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bivšeg američkog pravobranitelja i autora
memoranduma "Tortura", Alberta Gonzalesa.
memoranduma "Tortura", Alberta Gonzalesa.
03:44
(Video) Matt Kenyon:
May I give this to you?
May I give this to you?
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Mogu li Vam dati ovo?
03:46
This is a special legal tablet.
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Ovo je posebna legalna ploča.
03:48
It's actually part
of an ongoing art project.
of an ongoing art project.
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Zapravo je dio umjetničkog
projekta u nastanku.
projekta u nastanku.
03:51
Alberto Gonzalez:
This is a special legal pad?
This is a special legal pad?
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Ovo je posebna legalna ploča?
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MK: Yes. You won't believe me,
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Da. Nećete mi vjerovati,
03:55
but it's in the collection of the Museum
of Modern Art; I'm an artist.
of Modern Art; I'm an artist.
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ali je u kolekciji Muzeja moderne
umjetnosti; ja sam umjetnik.
umjetnosti; ja sam umjetnik.
03:59
MK: And all of the lines
of the paper are actually --
of the paper are actually --
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I sve crte na papiru su zapravo-
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AG: Are they going to disappear?
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Hoće li nestati?
04:03
MK: No, they're micro-printed text
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Ne, to je mikro-tiskani tekst
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that contains the names
of individual Iraqi civilians
of individual Iraqi civilians
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koji sadrži imena iračkih civila
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who have died since the invasion of Iraq.
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koji su poginuli u invaziji na Irak.
04:13
AG: Yeah. OK.
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Dobro, OK.
04:16
AG: Thank you. MK: Thank you.
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Hvala. Hvala vama.
04:18
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
04:20
The way he says "thank you"
really creeps me out.
really creeps me out.
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Način na koji kaže "hvala"
me stvarno uzašava.
me stvarno uzašava.
04:23
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
04:25
OK, so I'd like each of you
to look under your chairs.
to look under your chairs.
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OK, želim da svi pogledate
pod svoje stolce.
pod svoje stolce.
04:28
There's an envelope.
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Tamo je kuverta.
04:32
And please open it.
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I molim vas, otvorite ju.
04:38
The paper you're holding in your hand
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Papir koji držite u rukama
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contains the details of Iraqi civilians
that died as result of the invasion.
that died as result of the invasion.
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sadrži detalje o iračkim civilima
koji su poginuli u invaziji.
koji su poginuli u invaziji.
04:50
I'd like you to use this paper
and write a member of government.
and write a member of government.
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Želim da iskoristite taj papir i
da pišete članu vlade.
da pišete članu vlade.
04:54
You can help to smuggle
this civilian body count
this civilian body count
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Možete pomoći u krijumčarenju
broja poginulih
broja poginulih
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into government archives.
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u vladine arhive.
05:01
Because every letter
that's sent in to the government,
that's sent in to the government,
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Zato što svako pismo poslano vladi
05:05
and this is all across
the world, of course --
the world, of course --
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iz cijelog svijeta, naravno --
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every letter that is sent in
is archived, filed and recorded.
is archived, filed and recorded.
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svako poslano pismo se
arhvira, sačuva i zabilježi.
arhvira, sačuva i zabilježi.
05:13
Together, we can put this in the mailboxes
and under the noses of people in power.
and under the noses of people in power.
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Zajedno možemo ovo staviti u poštanske
sandučiće i pod nos moćnicima.
sandučiće i pod nos moćnicima.
05:19
Everything that's sent in
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Sve što se pošalje
05:21
eventually becomes part of the permanent
archive of our government,
archive of our government,
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postaje dijelom stalnog arhiva naše vlade,
05:27
our shared historical record.
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naš dijeljeni povijesni trag.
05:30
Thank you.
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Hvala.
05:31
(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
05:42
Tom Rielly: So, tell me Matt,
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Reci mi Matt,
05:43
how did this idea
come into your head, of "Notepad"?
come into your head, of "Notepad"?
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kako ti je ta ideja pala na pamet?
05:49
Matt Kenyon: I'd just finished a project
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Netom sam dovršio projekt
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that dealt with
the US Coalition side of the war
the US Coalition side of the war
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koji se bavio američkom
koalicijskom stranom rata
koalicijskom stranom rata
05:55
and it was a black armband that was called
the "Improvised Empathetic Device"
the "Improvised Empathetic Device"
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i to je bila crna traka za ruku nazvana
"Improvizirani empatički uređaj"
"Improvizirani empatički uređaj"
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which accumulated, in real time,
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koji je prikupljala, u stvarnom vremenu,
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the names, ranks,
cause of death and location
cause of death and location
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imena, pozicije, razloge i mjesta smrti
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of US service members
who had died overseas,
who had died overseas,
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američkih vojnika koji su poginuli
u inozemstvu
u inozemstvu
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and each time the Department of Defense
or CENTCOM released their data,
or CENTCOM released their data,
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i svaki put kada bi Ministarstvo obrane
ili CENTCOM otpustili svoje podatke,
ili CENTCOM otpustili svoje podatke,
06:13
it would stab me in the arm.
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mene bi probolo u ruku.
06:15
And so, I became aware
that there was a spectacle
that there was a spectacle
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I tako sam postao svjestan prizora
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associated with our own people
who were dying overseas,
who were dying overseas,
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vezanog za naše ljude koji
ginu u inozemstvu,
ginu u inozemstvu,
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but a disproportionate
amount of casualties
amount of casualties
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ali neproporcionalna brojka žrtava
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were the civilian casualties.
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su bili civili.
06:26
TR: Thank you so much.
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Hvala Vam puno.
06:27
MK: Thank you.
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Hvala vama.
06:28
(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Matt Kenyon - New media artistFrom a plant that lives or dies based on stock prices to an oilcan that flows backward, Matt Kenyon creates art that startles, amuses and challenges assumptions.
Why you should listen
Matt Kenyon works at the intersection of art and technology, creating pieces that question society’s large, complex systems — from our reliance on global corporations and oil, to the military-industrial complex. His works include: “SPORE 1.1,” a self-sustaining ecosystem for a rubber tree, purchased from The Home Depot and watered in conjunction with Home Depot stock prices; “Supermajor,” a collection of vintage oilcans with droplets of oil that defy gravity and flow back into a punctured hole; and ”Notepad,” a commemoration of the Iraqi civilians who died as a result of the US-led invasion, printed in the lines of what appear to be your average, everyday legal pads.
Kenyon creates these projects through SWAMP, or Studies of Work Atmosphere and Mass Production. He teaches art at the University of Michigan's Stamps School of Art & Design.
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