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Matt Kenyon: A secret memorial for civilian casualties
Matt Kenyon: 我是如何将伊拉克战争平民纪念物混入美国政府的
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据统计约15~100万伊拉克平民在2003年美国主导的伊拉克战争中死亡. 艺术家 Matt Kenyon 希望能够纪念他们. 但是他没有建造纪念碑, 而是(将纪念物)做得非常小, 并且可以复制. 他花了五年时间潜入权力中心--包括直接面对面的将纪念物送给伊拉克战争期间的美国司法部长. 这一过程被摄像机记录了下来.
Matt Kenyon - New media artist
From a plant that lives or dies based on stock prices to an oilcan that flows backward, Matt Kenyon creates art that startles, amuses and challenges assumptions. Full bio
From a plant that lives or dies based on stock prices to an oilcan that flows backward, Matt Kenyon creates art that startles, amuses and challenges assumptions. Full bio
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00:13
There's this quote by activist and punk
rock musician Jello Biafra that I love.
rock musician Jello Biafra that I love.
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引用我喜欢的激进朋克摇滚音乐家 Jello Biafra 的话
00:18
He says, "Don't hate the media.
Be the media."
Be the media."
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他说：“不要憎恨媒体，要成为媒体”
00:23
I'm an artist.
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我是一个艺术家
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I like working with media and technology
because A, I'm familiar with them
because A, I'm familiar with them
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我喜欢运用媒体和技术，
因为：A. 我对其熟悉
因为：A. 我对其熟悉
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and I like the power they hold.
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也喜欢其力量
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And B, I hate them and I'm terrified
of the power they hold.
of the power they hold.
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B. 我也憎恨和害怕它们的力量
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(Laughter)
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（笑声）
00:37
I remember watching, in 2003, an interview
between Fox News host Tony Snow
between Fox News host Tony Snow
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我记得在2003年，
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and then-US Defense Secretary,
Donald Rumsfeld.
Donald Rumsfeld.
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福克斯主持人Tony Snow 采访了
美国国防部长Donald Rumsfeld
美国国防部长Donald Rumsfeld
00:47
They were talking
about the recent invasion of Iraq,
about the recent invasion of Iraq,
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他们谈论了近来对伊拉克的侵略
00:50
and Rumsfeld is asked the question,
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Rumsfeld 被问道：
00:53
"Well, we're hear about our body counts,
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“我们听闻到我方阵亡数，
但从不知敌方的，为什么？”
但从不知敌方的，为什么？”
00:55
but we never hear about theirs, why?"
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“我们听闻到我方阵亡数，
但从不知敌方的，为什么？”
但从不知敌方的，为什么？”
00:59
And Rumsfeld's answer is,
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Rumsfeld 回答：
01:03
"Well, we don't do body counts
on other people."
on other people."
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“我们不统计他人的阵亡数。”
01:07
Right?
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是吧？
01:09
It's estimated that between 150,000
to one million Iraqis, civilians,
to one million Iraqis, civilians,
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据估计，15—100万伊拉克平民
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have died as a result
of the US-led invasion in 2003.
of the US-led invasion in 2003.
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在2003年死于美国主导的入侵
01:19
That number is in stark contrast with
the 4,486 US service members who died
the 4,486 US service members who died
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这与美兵同期阵亡数
01:25
during that same window of time.
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4486人形成强烈反差
01:28
I wanted to do more than just bring
awareness to this terrifying number.
awareness to this terrifying number.
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除了让人知道这恐怖的数字，
我还想做些事
我还想做些事
01:32
I wanted to create a monument
for the individual civilians
for the individual civilians
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我想为死于入侵的平民
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who died as a result of the invasion.
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做一个纪念物
01:39
Monuments to war,
such as Maya Lin's Vietnam Memorial,
such as Maya Lin's Vietnam Memorial,
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战争纪念物, 像是 Maya Lin 建的越战纪念碑
01:42
are often enormous in scale.
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一般都规模浩大
01:44
Very powerful and very one-sided.
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既有影响力，也很片面
01:48
I wanted my monument to live
in the world, and to circulate.
in the world, and to circulate.
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我希望我的纪念物长存并流传于世界
01:54
I remember when I was a boy in school,
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记得当我还是个在校读书的小男孩时，
01:57
my teacher assigned us
this classic civics assignment
this classic civics assignment
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老师布置了个经典的公民教育作业，
02:01
where you take a sheet of paper
and you write a member of your government.
and you write a member of your government.
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用纸写一封信给一位公务员
02:06
And we were told,
if we wrote a really good letter,
if we wrote a really good letter,
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老师说，如果我们写得好，
02:08
if we really thought about it,
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如果有认真思考，
02:10
we would get back more than just
a simple formed letter as a reply.
a simple formed letter as a reply.
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我们得到的不会只是公式化的回复
02:16
This is my "Notepad."
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这是我的“便签薄”
02:19
What looks like an everyday,
yellow legal tablet of paper
yellow legal tablet of paper
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虽然看起来像常用便签薄，
02:22
is actually a monument
to the individual Iraqi civilians
to the individual Iraqi civilians
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实际上是对伊拉克平民的纪念物，
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that died as a result of the US invasion.
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死于美国入侵的平民。
02:30
"Notepad" is an act of protest
and an act of commemoration
and an act of commemoration
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“便签薄”是一个抗议和纪念的行动，
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disguised as an everyday tablet of paper.
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虽伪装成常用便签薄。
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The lines of the paper, when magnified,
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当纸上的横线被放大，
02:42
are revealed to be micro-printed text
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可以看见微细的字体，
02:44
that contains the details, the names,
the dates and locations
the dates and locations
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记录着伊拉克平民的名字、
02:49
of individual Iraqi civilians that died.
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去世的日期和地点。
02:54
So, for the last 5 years, I've been taking
pads of this paper, tons of this stuff,
pads of this paper, tons of this stuff,
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过去的5年，
我一直做着这数以万计的记录，
我一直做着这数以万计的记录，
02:58
and smuggling it
into the stationery supplies
into the stationery supplies
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并将这些便签本子混入到
03:01
of the United States
and the Coalition governments.
and the Coalition governments.
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美国和联合政府的文具供应中
03:04
(Laughter)
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（笑声）
03:05
(Applause)
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（掌声）
03:14
I don't have to tell you guys this is not
the place to discuss how I did that.
the place to discuss how I did that.
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在此，我不想谈论我是怎么做到的。
03:18
(Laughter)
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（笑声）
03:20
But also, I've been meeting one-on-one
with members and former members
with members and former members
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但我也和辅助过侵略的“志愿联盟”成员或前成员，
03:26
of the so-called Coalition of the Willing,
who assisted in the invasion.
who assisted in the invasion.
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进行过一对一的会面.
03:31
And so, whenever I can,
I meet with one of them,
I meet with one of them,
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每当有机会和他们见面
03:33
and I share the project with them.
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我就和他们分享这行动
03:35
And last summer, I had the chance to meet
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去年夏天，我有机会见到
03:37
with former United States Attorney General
and Torture Memo author, Alberto Gonzales.
and Torture Memo author, Alberto Gonzales.
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美国前司法部长和刑讯手册作者：Alberto Gonzales
03:44
(Video) Matt Kenyon:
May I give this to you?
May I give this to you?
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（演讲者）：
“我能把这个送你吗？
“我能把这个送你吗？
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This is a special legal tablet.
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这是个特别的便签薄，
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It's actually part
of an ongoing art project.
of an ongoing art project.
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是一个艺术行动的一部分。”
03:51
Alberto Gonzalez:
This is a special legal pad?
This is a special legal pad?
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Alberto Gonzalez:“这是个特别的便签薄？”
03:54
MK: Yes. You won't believe me,
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“是的，可能你不相信，
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but it's in the collection of the Museum
of Modern Art; I'm an artist.
of Modern Art; I'm an artist.
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这是现代艺术博物馆的藏品。
我是个艺术家。
我是个艺术家。
03:59
MK: And all of the lines
of the paper are actually --
of the paper are actually --
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纸上的所有横线实际上是...”
04:02
AG: Are they going to disappear?
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"他们会消失吗？"
04:03
MK: No, they're micro-printed text
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”不，它们是微印刷文字，
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that contains the names
of individual Iraqi civilians
of individual Iraqi civilians
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记录着死于伊拉克战争的平民的名字。”
04:10
who have died since the invasion of Iraq.
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记录着死于伊拉克战争的平民的名字。”
04:13
AG: Yeah. OK.
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“好吧，谢谢。”
04:16
AG: Thank you. MK: Thank you.
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（演讲者）：“谢谢”
04:18
(Laughter)
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（笑声）
04:20
The way he says "thank you"
really creeps me out.
really creeps me out.
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他那声“谢谢”真让我毛骨悚然
04:23
(Laughter)
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（笑声）
04:25
OK, so I'd like each of you
to look under your chairs.
to look under your chairs.
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那么，我希望在座各位看看凳底
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There's an envelope.
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有个信封
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And please open it.
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请打开它
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The paper you're holding in your hand
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你们拿着的纸，
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contains the details of Iraqi civilians
that died as result of the invasion.
that died as result of the invasion.
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记录着死于伊拉克战争的平民的信息。
04:50
I'd like you to use this paper
and write a member of government.
and write a member of government.
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我希望你们用这张纸给公务员写封信。
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You can help to smuggle
this civilian body count
this civilian body count
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你们可以帮忙将平民阵亡数
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into government archives.
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偷偷混入政府档案。
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Because every letter
that's sent in to the government,
that's sent in to the government,
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因为每封信都是寄给政府的，
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and this is all across
the world, of course --
the world, of course --
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会游历全球，
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every letter that is sent in
is archived, filed and recorded.
is archived, filed and recorded.
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每封信都会被存档、整理、编号。
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Together, we can put this in the mailboxes
and under the noses of people in power.
and under the noses of people in power.
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这样，我们就可以将此置于执政者的眼底下
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Everything that's sent in
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所有寄出去的纸，
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eventually becomes part of the permanent
archive of our government,
archive of our government,
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终将变成政府的永久文档、
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our shared historical record.
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我们共享的历史性记录。
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Thank you.
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谢谢
05:31
(Applause)
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（掌声）
05:42
Tom Rielly: So, tell me Matt,
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主持：Matt, 告诉我
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how did this idea
come into your head, of "Notepad"?
come into your head, of "Notepad"?
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你是怎么想到“便签薄”这个主意的？
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Matt Kenyon: I'd just finished a project
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之前我完成了一个项目
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that dealt with
the US Coalition side of the war
the US Coalition side of the war
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是关于美国联盟那一方的，
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and it was a black armband that was called
the "Improvised Empathetic Device"
the "Improvised Empathetic Device"
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他们有个黑色的袖章叫“即时同感装置”，
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which accumulated, in real time,
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它会实时记录，
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the names, ranks,
cause of death and location
cause of death and location
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在海外阵亡美兵的名字
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of US service members
who had died overseas,
who had died overseas,
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军阶、死因及地点.
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and each time the Department of Defense
or CENTCOM released their data,
or CENTCOM released their data,
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当国防部和中央司令部公开这些数据，
06:13
it would stab me in the arm.
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袖章会戳我的手臂。
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And so, I became aware
that there was a spectacle
that there was a spectacle
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我开始意识到
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associated with our own people
who were dying overseas,
who were dying overseas,
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我与那些海外阵亡士兵有种神奇的联系
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but a disproportionate
amount of casualties
amount of casualties
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但这与平民的死亡数
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were the civilian casualties.
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是不成比例的
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TR: Thank you so much.
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(主持人): 谢谢
06:27
MK: Thank you.
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(演讲者): 谢谢.
06:28
(Applause)
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(掌声)
ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Matt Kenyon - New media artistFrom a plant that lives or dies based on stock prices to an oilcan that flows backward, Matt Kenyon creates art that startles, amuses and challenges assumptions.
Why you should listen
Matt Kenyon works at the intersection of art and technology, creating pieces that question society’s large, complex systems — from our reliance on global corporations and oil, to the military-industrial complex. His works include: “SPORE 1.1,” a self-sustaining ecosystem for a rubber tree, purchased from The Home Depot and watered in conjunction with Home Depot stock prices; “Supermajor,” a collection of vintage oilcans with droplets of oil that defy gravity and flow back into a punctured hole; and ”Notepad,” a commemoration of the Iraqi civilians who died as a result of the US-led invasion, printed in the lines of what appear to be your average, everyday legal pads.
Kenyon creates these projects through SWAMP, or Studies of Work Atmosphere and Mass Production. He teaches art at the University of Michigan's Stamps School of Art & Design.
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