TEDWomen 2010
Madeleine Albright: On being a woman and a diplomat
马德琳·奥尔布赖特:一位女性外交家
Filmed:
Readability: 3.4
828,183 views
前美国国务卿马德琳·奥尔布赖特坦诚地谈到政治与外交，要让女性参与到外交政策的中心议程上。她说到，女性参与远不是一个“软性”议题，这常常是最困难的一个议题，直接牵连着生与死。她与帕雷媒体中心的帕特·米切尔有一个开诚布公的很有意思的问答对话。
Madeleine Albright - Former US Secretary of State
Since leaving office as US Secretary of State in 2001, Madeleine Albright has continued her distinguished career in foreign affairs as a businesswoman, political adviser and professor. Full bio
Since leaving office as US Secretary of State in 2001, Madeleine Albright has continued her distinguished career in foreign affairs as a businesswoman, political adviser and professor. Full bio
Double-click the English transcript below to play the video.
00:15
Pat Mitchell: What is the story of this pin?
0
0
2000
帕特·米切尔：这个胸针的背后故事是什么？
00:17
Madeleine Albright: This is "Breaking the Glass Ceiling."
1
2000
2000
马德琳·奥尔布赖：这是指要打破天花板的潜规则。
00:19
PM: Oh.
2
4000
2000
PM：哦。
00:22
That was well chosen, I would say, for TEDWomen.
3
7000
3000
我想说，这是为TEDWomen大会，你精心挑选的胸针。
00:25
MA: Most of the time I spend when I get up in the morning
4
10000
2000
MA：早上起床的大多数时间
00:27
is trying to figure out what is going to happen.
5
12000
2000
我都用来思考这一天会发生什么
00:29
And none of this pin stuff would have happened
6
14000
2000
如果不提到有关萨达姆·侯赛因的胸针故事，
00:31
if it hadn't been for Saddam Hussein.
7
16000
2000
这胸针故事都不值得一提。
00:33
I'll tell you what happened.
8
18000
2000
我来告诉你所发生的事。
00:35
I went to the United Nations as an ambassador,
9
20000
3000
我做为美国驻联合国大使。
00:38
and it was after the Gulf War,
10
23000
2000
那是在海湾战争之后。
00:40
and I was an instructed ambassador.
11
25000
2000
我奉命去履行大使职责。
00:42
And the cease-fire had been translated
12
27000
2000
停战已经转变为
00:44
into a series of sanctions resolutions,
13
29000
3000
一系列制裁决议，
00:47
and my instructions
14
32000
2000
我的指示
00:49
were to say perfectly terrible things about Saddam Hussein constantly,
15
34000
3000
就是不断地说有关萨达姆·侯赛因那些可怕的事情
00:52
which he deserved -- he had invaded another country.
16
37000
3000
这是他应得的--因为他侵略了另一个国家。
00:55
And so all of a sudden, a poem appeared in the papers in Baghdad
17
40000
3000
所以突然间，在巴格达的报纸上有首诗
00:58
comparing me to many things,
18
43000
2000
把我比作许多事物
01:00
but among them an "unparalleled serpent."
19
45000
3000
但其中写到“一条无与伦比的蛇精”。
01:03
And so I happened to have a snake pin.
20
48000
2000
所以我就有了一个蛇形的胸针。
01:05
So I wore it when we talked about Iraq.
21
50000
2000
当我们谈及伊拉克时，我就带着它。
01:07
(Laughter)
22
52000
2000
（笑声）
01:09
And when I went out to meet the press,
23
54000
2000
当我出来与媒体见面，
01:11
they zeroed in, said, "Why are you wearing that snake pin?"
24
56000
2000
他们的焦点问题是“你为什么要戴蛇形胸针？”
01:13
I said, "Because Saddam Hussein compared me to an unparalleled serpent."
25
58000
3000
我说，“因为萨达姆·侯赛因把我比作一条无与伦比的蛇精。”
01:16
And then I thought, well this is fun.
26
61000
2000
之后我想想。好吧这也很有趣。
01:18
So I went out and I bought a lot of pins
27
63000
3000
之后我去买了很多胸针
01:21
that would, in fact, reflect
28
66000
2000
事实上，这些胸针会映射
01:23
what I thought we were going to do on any given day.
29
68000
2000
我当天的所思所行。
01:25
So that's how it all started.
30
70000
2000
这一切就是胸针开始的来龙去脉。
01:27
PM: So how large is the collection?
31
72000
2000
PM：那现在你收集了多少胸针了呢？
01:29
MA: Pretty big.
32
74000
2000
MA：非常多
01:31
It's now traveling.
33
76000
2000
目前收藏品在各地展示。
01:33
At the moment it's in Indianapolis,
34
78000
2000
此刻它在印第安纳波利斯，
01:35
but it was at the Smithsonian.
35
80000
2000
但它曾在史密斯森协会(联合国博物馆)。
01:37
And it goes with a book that says, "Read My Pins."
36
82000
3000
还有一本书叫“解读我的胸针。”
01:40
(Laughter)
37
85000
2000
（笑声）
01:42
PM: So is this a good idea.
38
87000
3000
PM：这真是一个棒极了的主意。
01:45
I remember when you were the first woman
39
90000
2000
我记得你做为第一位女性
01:47
as Secretary of State,
40
92000
2000
美国国务卿，
01:49
and there was a lot of conversation always
41
94000
2000
常常有很多舆论
01:51
about what you were wearing,
42
96000
2000
关注你的着装，
01:53
how you looked --
43
98000
2000
你的形象
01:55
the thing that happens to a lot of women,
44
100000
2000
这种事也发生在许多女性身上，
01:57
especially if they're the first in a position.
45
102000
3000
尤其是当她们是该职位上第一位女性时。
02:00
So how do you feel about that -- the whole --
46
105000
3000
所以你对这些所有这些事有何感想？
02:03
MA: Well, it's pretty irritating actually
47
108000
2000
MA：真的，这的确特令人厌烦
02:05
because nobody ever describes what a man is wearing.
48
110000
3000
因为从来没人去描述一位男性国务卿的着装。
02:08
But people did pay attention to what clothes I had.
49
113000
3000
但是人们特关注我的着装。
02:11
What was interesting was that,
50
116000
2000
有趣的是
02:13
before I went up to New York as U.N. ambassador,
51
118000
2000
在我去纽约胜任联合国大使前，
02:15
I talked to Jeane Kirkpatrick, who'd been ambassador before me,
52
120000
3000
我和我的前任大使珍妮·柯克帕特里克谈过
02:18
and she said, "You've got to get rid of your professor clothes.
53
123000
3000
她说，“你得放弃你的职业装。
02:21
Go out and look like a diplomat."
54
126000
2000
去购物，打扮看上去像个外交官。”
02:23
So that did give me a lot of opportunities to go shopping.
55
128000
3000
所以这让我有很多机会去购物。
02:26
But still, there were all kinds of questions
56
131000
3000
但还是有各种各样的问题
02:29
about -- "did you wear a hat?" "How short was your skirt?"
57
134000
3000
涉及到，我戴什么帽子？我的裙子有多短？
02:32
And one of the things --
58
137000
2000
一件事
02:34
if you remember Condoleezza Rice was at some event and she wore boots,
59
139000
3000
如果你记得康多莉扎·赖斯参加宴会，她穿了靴子，
02:37
and she got criticized over that.
60
142000
2000
她为此受到舆论批评。
02:39
And no guy ever gets criticized. But that's the least of it.
61
144000
3000
没有哪个男性会为此受到指责。但对女性就这么难以容忍。
02:42
PM: It is, for all of us, men and women,
62
147000
3000
PM：对我们所有人，女性和男性而言，
02:45
finding our ways of defining our roles,
63
150000
3000
我们要找到定位我们自身的方法，
02:48
and doing them in ways that make a difference in the world
64
153000
3000
为了世界上的改变
02:51
and shape the future.
65
156000
2000
和重塑未来尽我们的本职。
02:53
How did you handle that balance
66
158000
3000
你是怎么处理这种平衡关系的
02:56
between being the tough diplomatic
67
161000
3000
既要成为坚强的外交官
02:59
and strong voice of this country
68
164000
3000
又要代表我们国家
03:02
to the rest of the world
69
167000
2000
向全世界发出强有力的声音呢？
03:04
and also how you felt about yourself
70
169000
2000
你又是怎么看待你自己
03:06
as a mother, a grandmother, nurturing ...
71
171000
3000
作为一个母亲，一个祖母，“抚育”的这种母性角色呢?
03:09
and so how did you handle that?
72
174000
2000
你是怎么做到的？
03:11
MA: Well the interesting part was I was asked
73
176000
2000
MA：好吧有趣的事是我被问到
03:13
what it was like to be the first woman Secretary of State
74
178000
2000
当我被任命为第一位美国女性国务卿之后没过几分钟时，
03:15
a few minutes after I'd been named.
75
180000
2000
我做为第一位美国女性国务卿感觉咋样？
03:17
And I said, "Well I've been a woman for 60 years,
76
182000
2000
我说到，“我作为女人有60年了，
03:19
but I've only been Secretary of State for a few minutes."
77
184000
3000
但我作为国务卿仅有几分钟而已。”
03:22
So it evolved.
78
187000
2000
所以它就是这么演变来的。
03:24
(Laughter)
79
189000
2000
（笑声）
03:26
But basically I love being a woman.
80
191000
2000
但基本上我喜欢作为一个女人。
03:28
And so what happened --
81
193000
2000
随后所发生的是--
03:30
and I think there will probably be some people in the audience
82
195000
2000
我认为可能在观众中的一些人
03:32
that will identify with this --
83
197000
2000
会认同这个--
03:34
I went to my first meeting, first at the U.N.,
84
199000
3000
我首次出席在联合国的第一次会议。
03:37
and that's when this all started,
85
202000
2000
当这会议完全开始时，
03:39
because that is a very male organization.
86
204000
3000
因为联合国是一个非常男性化的组织。
03:42
And I'm sitting there -- there are 15 members of the Security Council --
87
207000
3000
我坐在那儿--共有联合国安全理事会的15个成员
03:45
so 14 men sat there staring at me,
88
210000
4000
14个男性坐在那儿盯着我，
03:49
and I thought -- well you know how we all are.
89
214000
2000
我想--好吧你知道我们一般都感觉怎么样。
03:51
You want to get the feeling of the room,
90
216000
2000
你想感受一下房间的气氛，
03:53
and "do people like me?"
91
218000
2000
别人喜欢我吗，
03:55
and "will I really say something intelligent?"
92
220000
2000
我是否要说些聪明话？
03:57
And all of a sudden I thought, "Well, wait a minute.
93
222000
3000
突然间我想到：嘿等一下，
04:00
I am sitting behind a sign that says 'The United States,'
94
225000
3000
我正坐在代表“美国”的标志后。
04:03
and if I don't speak today
95
228000
2000
假如我今天没发言
04:05
then the voice of the United States will not be heard,"
96
230000
3000
那么美国的声音就不会被听到。
04:08
and it was the first time that I had that feeling
97
233000
2000
这是第一次我感觉到
04:10
that I had to step out of myself
98
235000
2000
我必须得以突破我自己
04:12
in my normal, reluctant female mode
99
237000
4000
往常的惯性，勉强被动的女性模式
04:16
and decide that I had to speak on behalf of our country.
100
241000
3000
并决定我得代言我的祖国。
04:19
And so that happened more at various times,
101
244000
3000
随后在不同时期这样的事又接踵而至，
04:22
but I really think that there was a great advantage in many ways
102
247000
4000
但我的确认为在许多方面
04:26
to being a woman.
103
251000
2000
作为女性占有很多优势。
04:28
I think we are a lot better
104
253000
2000
我们在人际关系上
04:30
at personal relationships,
105
255000
2000
做得相当好，
04:32
and then have the capability obviously
106
257000
2000
然后我们的能力
04:34
of telling it like it is when it's necessary.
107
259000
3000
在必要时会得到更明显的发挥。
04:37
But I have to tell you, I have my youngest granddaughter,
108
262000
2000
但我得告诉大家，我最小的孙女，
04:39
when she turned seven last year,
109
264000
2000
她去年7岁时，
04:41
said to her mother, my daughter,
110
266000
2000
对她妈，我女儿说，
04:43
"So what's the big deal about Grandma Maddie being Secretary of State?
111
268000
3000
“祖母Maddie玛迪作为国务卿有什么大不了的？
04:46
Only girls are Secretary of State."
112
271000
2000
国务卿只可能是女孩啊。（现任希拉里和前任赖斯都是女性）“
04:48
(Laughter)
113
273000
2000
（笑声）
04:50
(Applause)
114
275000
9000
（掌声）
04:59
PM: Because in her lifetime -- MA: That would be so.
115
284000
3000
PM：从她出生到现在确实如此--（MA：这事实也如此。）
05:03
PM: What a change that is.
116
288000
2000
PM：这真是一个巨大的改变
05:05
As you travel now all over the world,
117
290000
3000
现在你在满世界跑，
05:08
which you do frequently,
118
293000
2000
你经常做些什么，
05:10
how do you assess
119
295000
2000
你如何评价
05:12
this global narrative around the story of women and girls?
120
297000
3000
这有关妇女和女孩参与全球议程的故事呢？
05:15
Where are we?
121
300000
2000
我们所处的现状呢？
05:17
MA: I think we're slowly changing,
122
302000
2000
MA：我们正在慢慢地改变，
05:19
but obviously there are whole pockets
123
304000
2000
但显然在一些国家
05:21
in countries where nothing is different.
124
306000
2000
所有的事都没有改变。
05:23
And therefore it means that we have to remember
125
308000
3000
因此,这意味我们得记住
05:26
that, while many of us have had huge opportunities --
126
311000
3000
虽然我们中许多人有绝好的机会--
05:29
and Pat, you have been a real leader in your field --
127
314000
3000
--帕特，你已经是你这领域里的真正领导人
05:32
is that there are a lot of women
128
317000
2000
但是还有许多女性
05:34
that are not capable
129
319000
2000
她们不能
05:36
of worrying and taking care of themselves
130
321000
2000
为她们自己设身处地地去担心和关怀
05:38
and understanding that women have to help other women.
131
323000
3000
并明白女性得互助。
05:41
And so what I have felt --
132
326000
2000
所以我感到--
05:43
and I have looked at this
133
328000
2000
我从国家安全问题上
05:45
from a national security issue --
134
330000
2000
看到这个情况
05:47
when I was Secretary of State, I decided
135
332000
3000
那时我是国务卿，我决定
05:50
that women's issues had to be central to American foreign policy,
136
335000
3000
女性的问题是美国外交政策的中心环节，
05:53
not just because I'm a feminist,
137
338000
2000
不仅仅因为我是个追求男女平等的女权主义者，
05:55
but because I believe that societies are better off
138
340000
4000
更因为我相信社会会更美好
05:59
when women are politically and economically empowered,
139
344000
3000
当女性被赋予政治上和经济上同等的权利时，
06:02
that values are passed down,
140
347000
2000
这些价值传递开来，
06:04
the health situation is better,
141
349000
3000
健康状况也会好起来，
06:07
education is better,
142
352000
2000
教育也会改善，
06:09
there is greater economic prosperity.
143
354000
2000
才会有更富强的繁荣经济。
06:11
So I think that it behooves us --
144
356000
3000
所以我认为这值得我们大家去努力--
06:14
those of us that live in various countries
145
359000
3000
我们这些人生活在不同的国家
06:17
where we do have economic and political voice --
146
362000
3000
在那里我们会有经济和政治发言权
06:20
that we need to help other women.
147
365000
2000
我们必须帮助其它女性获得同样权利。
06:22
And I really dedicated myself to that,
148
367000
2000
我自己真的投身致力于
06:24
both at the U.N. and then as Secretary of State.
149
369000
3000
在联合国做大使和随后做国务卿的工作中。
06:27
PM: And did you get pushback
150
372000
2000
PM：你有没有感到种推力
06:29
from making that a central tenant of foreign policy?
151
374000
3000
使得女性成为外交政策的关键参与者？
06:32
MA: From some people.
152
377000
2000
MA：对一些人，
06:34
I think that they thought that it was a soft issue.
153
379000
3000
我想他们认为这是一个“软性”议题。
06:37
The bottom line that I decided
154
382000
2000
我决定底线
06:39
was actually women's issues are the hardest issues,
155
384000
3000
是女性的议题实际上是最困难的议题，
06:42
because they are the ones that have to do with life and death
156
387000
3000
因为这些议题
06:45
in so many aspects,
157
390000
2000
在许多方面涉及到生与死--
06:47
and because, as I said,
158
392000
2000
而且，就像之前我说的，
06:49
it is really central to the way that we think about things.
159
394000
3000
因为这真的是我们思考这些事的中心。
06:52
Now for instance,
160
397000
2000
比如，
06:54
some of the wars that took place
161
399000
2000
当我在职时
06:56
when I was in office,
162
401000
2000
那时有些战争，
06:58
a lot of them, the women were the main victims of it.
163
403000
3000
许多战争中，女性都是主要的受害者。
07:01
For instance, when I started,
164
406000
2000
比如，我刚任职时，
07:03
there were wars in the Balkans.
165
408000
3000
在巴尔干地区有些战争。
07:06
The women in Bosnia were being raped.
166
411000
3000
在波斯尼亚的女性遭到强奸。
07:09
We then managed to set up a war crimes tribunal
167
414000
3000
然后我们试着建立起一个战犯法庭
07:12
to deal specifically with those kinds of issues.
168
417000
3000
来特别解决这类问题。
07:15
And by the way, one of the things that I did at that stage
169
420000
3000
顺便说一下，我刚走马上任
07:18
was, I had just arrived at the U.N.,
170
423000
3000
驻联合国工作时，
07:21
and when I was there, there were 183 countries in the U.N.
171
426000
3000
在我那时联合国有183个国家。
07:24
Now there are 192.
172
429000
2000
目前有192个国家。
07:26
But it was one of the first times that I didn't have to cook lunch myself.
173
431000
3000
但那时也是第一次我不用亲自下厨做午饭。
07:29
So I said to my assistant,
174
434000
2000
我对我的助手说，
07:31
"Invite the other women permanent representatives."
175
436000
3000
“请邀请其他女性常驻代表来赴宴。”
07:34
And I thought when I'd get to my apartment
176
439000
2000
我想当我到我的房间时
07:36
that there'd be a lot of women there.
177
441000
2000
在那儿会有很多女性。
07:38
I get there, and there are six other women, out of 183.
178
443000
3000
我到那儿后，183个国家里，只有6位其他女性代表。
07:41
So the countries that had women representatives
179
446000
3000
派驻女性代表的国家
07:44
were Canada, Kazakhstan, Philippines,
180
449000
2000
分别是加拿大，哈萨克斯坦，菲律宾，
07:46
Trinidad Tobago, Jamaica,
181
451000
2000
特立尼达多巴哥，牙买加，
07:48
Lichtenstein and me.
182
453000
3000
列支敦士登和我自己代表的美国。
07:51
So being an American, I decided to set up a caucus.
183
456000
3000
所以作为美国代表，我决定组织一个代表会议。
07:54
(Laughter)
184
459000
2000
（笑声）
07:56
And so we set it up,
185
461000
2000
我们把它建立起来了，
07:58
and we called ourselves the G7.
186
463000
2000
我们自称为G7会议。
08:00
(Laughter)
187
465000
2000
（笑声）
08:02
PM: Is that "Girl 7?" MA: Girl 7.
188
467000
2000
PM：那是指7位女孩？（MA：是的。女孩7。）
08:04
And we lobbied
189
469000
2000
MA：我们游说
08:06
on behalf of women's issues.
190
471000
2000
代言女性权益。
08:08
So we managed to get two women judges
191
473000
3000
我们决定
08:11
on this war crimes tribunal.
192
476000
2000
在这场战犯法庭上安排2位女性法官。
08:13
And then what happened
193
478000
2000
然后接下来发生的
08:15
was that they were able to declare that rape was a weapon of war,
194
480000
3000
是她们能够宣布强奸是一种战争武器，
08:18
that it was against humanity.
195
483000
2000
而且它是违背人性的。
08:20
(Applause)
196
485000
5000
（掌声）
08:25
PM: So when you look around the world
197
490000
2000
PM：所以当你环视全球各地
08:27
and you see that, in many cases --
198
492000
2000
你看到，在许多情况下--
08:29
certainly in the Western world --
199
494000
2000
特别在西方世界--
08:31
women are evolving into more leadership positions,
200
496000
3000
女性正在担当更多领导者的地位，
08:34
and even other places
201
499000
2000
甚至其他地方
08:36
some barriers are being brought down,
202
501000
3000
一些障碍正在被推翻，
08:39
but there's still so much violence,
203
504000
3000
但还是会有很多暴力，
08:42
still so many problems,
204
507000
2000
还有许多问题，
08:44
and yet we hear there are more women
205
509000
2000
尽管如此，我们还是会听到更多的女性
08:46
at the negotiating tables.
206
511000
2000
在谈判桌上讲话。
08:48
Now you were at those negotiating tables
207
513000
2000
你曾经就在那样的谈判桌代言
08:50
when they weren't, when there was maybe you --
208
515000
3000
那曾经没女性代言，或许正是你--
08:53
one voice, maybe one or two others.
209
518000
2000
一个声音，或许一个或者另外两个人代言。
08:55
Do you believe, and can you tell us why,
210
520000
3000
你相信，你能否告诉我们为什么，
08:58
there is going to be a significant shift
211
523000
3000
这会有一个巨大转变
09:01
in things like violence
212
526000
2000
在诸如此类事件上像暴力
09:03
and peace and conflict and resolution
213
528000
3000
和平，冲突和
09:06
on a sustainable basis?
214
531000
2000
在一个可持续基础上的决议？
09:08
MA: Well I do think, when there are more women,
215
533000
3000
MA：好吧，我的确认为，当更多女性参与时，
09:11
that the tone of the conversation changes,
216
536000
4000
谈话的论调会改变，
09:15
and also the goals of the conversation change.
217
540000
3000
谈话的目标也随之改变。
09:18
But it doesn't mean that the whole world
218
543000
2000
但这并不意味全世界
09:20
would be a lot better
219
545000
2000
会好很多
09:22
if it were totally run by women.
220
547000
2000
如果世界全是由女性来管理。
09:24
If you think that, you've forgotten high school.
221
549000
3000
如果你这样想，你已经忘记了高中。
09:27
(Laughter)
222
552000
3000
（笑声）
09:30
But the bottom line
223
555000
2000
但底线
09:32
is that there is a way,
224
557000
2000
是会有出路，
09:34
when there are more women at the table,
225
559000
3000
那就是更多女性在谈判桌上，
09:37
that there's an attempt
226
562000
2000
这是一种尝试
09:39
to develop some understanding.
227
564000
2000
得以增进一些了解。
09:41
So for instance, what I did when I went to Burundi,
228
566000
3000
例如，当我在布隆迪所做的事，
09:44
we'd got Tutsi and Hutu women together
229
569000
3000
我们团结了图西族和胡图族女性一起
09:47
to talk about some of the problems
230
572000
2000
来谈论一些问题
09:49
that had taken place in Rwanda.
231
574000
2000
这些问题曾经演变为卢旺达大屠杀。
09:51
And so I think the capability of women
232
576000
3000
所以我认为女性的能力
09:54
to put themselves --
233
579000
2000
是把她们自己
09:56
I think we're better about putting ourselves into the other guy's shoes
234
581000
3000
我们最好是说要设身处地地替别人着想
09:59
and having more empathy.
235
584000
2000
带有更多同情心。
10:01
I think it helps in terms of the support
236
586000
3000
这在互助方面上会起作用
10:04
if there are other women in the room.
237
589000
2000
如果其他女性和你共处时。
10:06
When I was Secretary of State,
238
591000
2000
当我是国务卿时，
10:08
there were only 13 other women foreign ministers.
239
593000
3000
那时仅有其他13位女性外交部长。
10:11
And so it was nice when one of them would show up.
240
596000
3000
所以当我们中一员出面时，这是很好的。
10:14
For instance, she is now the president of Finland,
241
599000
3000
例如，现在芬兰的总统塔里娅·哈洛宁，
10:17
but Tarja Halonen was the foreign minister of Finland
242
602000
3000
但她那时是芬兰的外交部长
10:20
and, at a certain stage, head of the European Union.
243
605000
3000
在某一阶段，也是欧洲联盟负责人。
10:23
And it was really terrific.
244
608000
2000
这真的很了不起。
10:25
Because one of the things I think you'll understand.
245
610000
2000
因为我想你会理解其中的一些事。
10:27
We went to a meeting,
246
612000
2000
我们曾去了一个会议，
10:29
and the men in my delegation,
247
614000
2000
在我们代表团中，
10:31
when I would say, "Well I feel we should do something about this,"
248
616000
3000
当我要说，“好吧，我感觉我们应该关于此事做点事儿，”
10:34
and they'd say, "What do you mean, you feel?"
249
619000
3000
他们男性代表会说，“你指什么，你感觉到？”
10:37
And so then Tarja was sitting across the table from me.
250
622000
3000
随后塔里娅坐到我桌子对面。
10:40
And all of a sudden we were talking about arms control,
251
625000
3000
突然间我们都谈论军备控制，
10:43
and she said, "Well I feel we should do this."
252
628000
2000
她说到，“好吧，我感觉我们应该做这件事。”
10:45
And my male colleagues kind of got it all of a sudden.
253
630000
3000
我的男性同事突然间懂了似的。
10:48
But I think it really does help
254
633000
2000
但我认为这的确帮助
10:50
to have a critical mass of women
255
635000
3000
一些至关重要的女性
10:53
in a series of foreign policy positions.
256
638000
3000
参与到一系列外交政策立场的谈判中去。
10:56
The other thing that I think is really important:
257
641000
3000
我想到的其他很重要的事是：
10:59
A lot of national security policy
258
644000
2000
很多国家安全政策
11:01
isn't just about foreign policy,
259
646000
2000
不仅是关于外交政策，
11:03
but it's about budgets, military budgets,
260
648000
3000
更关乎于预算，军事预算，
11:06
and how the debts of countries work out.
261
651000
3000
国家债务该怎样解决。
11:09
So if you have women
262
654000
2000
所以如果有女性
11:11
in a variety of foreign policy posts,
263
656000
3000
参与外交政策制定的不同环节中，
11:14
they can support each other
264
659000
2000
她们能互相支持
11:16
when there are budget decisions being made in their own countries.
265
661000
3000
并制定在她们自己国家的预算决定。
11:19
PM: So how do we get
266
664000
2000
PM：那么我们该怎样
11:21
this balance we're looking for, then, in the world?
267
666000
3000
在世界上寻求这种平衡呢？
11:24
More women's voices at the table?
268
669000
2000
让更多女性的声音响彻在谈判桌上？
11:26
More men who believe
269
671000
2000
更多男性会认为
11:28
that the balance is best?
270
673000
2000
这种男女平衡是最好的吗？
11:30
MA: Well I think one of the things --
271
675000
2000
MA：好吧我认为一件事是：
11:32
I'm chairman of the board of an organization
272
677000
2000
我是一个
11:34
called the National Democratic Institute
273
679000
2000
叫做全国民主协会组织的委员会主席
11:36
that works to support women candidates.
274
681000
3000
它致力于协助女性候选人。
11:39
I think that we need
275
684000
2000
我认为我们需要
11:41
to help in other countries
276
686000
2000
帮助其他国家
11:43
to train women
277
688000
2000
培训女性
11:45
to be in political office,
278
690000
2000
胜任政务职位，
11:47
to figure out how they can in fact
279
692000
2000
帮她们搞清楚事实上她们如何能够
11:49
develop political voices.
280
694000
2000
发挥她们政治谈判的声音。
11:51
I think we also need to be supportive
281
696000
3000
我认为我们也需要支持
11:54
when businesses are being created
282
699000
3000
当我们建立企业时
11:57
and just make sure that women help each other.
283
702000
2000
得确保女性得互相协助。
11:59
Now I have a saying
284
704000
2000
现在我想说的是
12:01
that I feel very strongly about,
285
706000
2000
我非常强烈地感受于此，
12:03
because I am of a certain age
286
708000
2000
因为我上了一把年纪了
12:05
where, when I started in my career,
287
710000
2000
当我刚开始我职业生涯时，
12:07
believe it or not, there were other women who criticized me:
288
712000
3000
信不信由你，有些其他女性指责我：
12:10
"Why aren't you in the carpool line?"
289
715000
3000
“你为什么要踩过界线呢？”
12:13
or "Aren't your children suffering
290
718000
2000
或者“你的孩子不受罪吗
12:15
because you're not there all the time?"
291
720000
2000
缘于你常常不在家？”
12:17
And I think we have a tendency to make each other feel guilty.
292
722000
3000
我认为我们往往会让对方感到内疚。
12:20
In fact, I think "guilt" is every woman's middle name.
293
725000
4000
事实上，我认为“内疚”是每一位女性的中间名。
12:24
And so I think what needs to happen
294
729000
2000
所以我认为所需发生的
12:26
is we need to help each other.
295
731000
3000
就是我们需要互相帮助。
12:29
And my motto is that there's a special place in hell
296
734000
2000
我的座右铭是地狱里有个专门的地方留给
12:31
for women who don't help each other.
297
736000
3000
不互相帮助的女性
12:34
(Applause)
298
739000
8000
（掌声）
12:42
PM: Well Secretary Albright, I guess you'll be going to heaven.
299
747000
3000
PM：好的，国务卿奥尔布赖特，我猜你会通达天堂。
12:46
Thank you for joining us today.
300
751000
2000
谢谢你今天加入我们的会谈。
12:48
MA: Thank you all. Thanks Pat.
301
753000
3000
MA：谢谢大家。谢谢帕特。
12:51
(Applause)
302
756000
2000
（掌声）
ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Madeleine Albright - Former US Secretary of StateSince leaving office as US Secretary of State in 2001, Madeleine Albright has continued her distinguished career in foreign affairs as a businesswoman, political adviser and professor.
Why you should listen
Madeleine Albright is one of America’s leading authorities on foreign affairs. Unanimously confirmed as the first female Secretary of State in 1997, she became the highest-ranking woman in U.S. government history. During her four-year tenure, Albright reinforced U.S. alliances, advocated for democracy and human rights, and promoted American trade, business, labor and environmental standards abroad.
Since then, Albright has continued her distinguished career as a businesswoman, political adviser and professor. She is chair of Albright Stonebridge Group, a global strategy firm, and Albright Capital Management LLC, an investment advisory firm focused on emerging markets. Albright also chairs the National Democratic Institute for International Affairs and the Pew Global Attitudes Project and serves on the boards of the Council on Foreign Relations, the Aspen Institute and the Center for a New American Security. She also teaches diplomacy at Georgetown’s School of Foreign Service.
Madeleine Albright | Speaker | TED.com