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Stephen Cave - Philosopher
Philosopher Stephen Cave wants to know: Why is humanity so obsessed with living forever?

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Stephen Cave is a writer and philosopher who is obsessed with our obsession with immortality. In 2012 he published Immortality: The Quest to Live Forever and How It Drives Civilization, an inquiry into humanity's rather irrational resistance to the inevitability of death. Cave moves across time and history's major civilizations and religions to explore just what drives this instinct -- and what that means for the future. Cave writes for The Financial Times and contributes to The New York Times, The Guardian and Wired.

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Stephen Cave: The 4 stories we tell ourselves about death

史帝芬·凯夫: 生死自知。

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哲学家史蒂芬 凯夫以一个黑暗但又引人注目的问题作为开头:你在什么时候第一次意识到自己会死亡的?更有意思的是:为什么人们总是在抗拒死亡的必然性?在这个精彩的演说中,凯夫探索了4种-横跨各个文明之间-为的是能处理我们对死亡的恐惧。
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Philosopher Stephen Cave wants to know: Why is humanity so obsessed with living forever? Full bio

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我要问大家一件事:
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I have a question:
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Who here remembers记得 when they first realized实现
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在座的各位谁还记得当自己第一次意识到
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they were going to die?
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自己有一天会死去时那一刻的感受?
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I do. I was a young年轻 boy男孩,
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我还记得, 那时我还是个小男孩
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and my grandfather祖父 had just died死亡,
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我的祖父刚刚过世了,
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and I remember记得 a few少数 days later后来 lying说谎 in bed at night
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记得几天后的一个夜晚,我躺在床上
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trying to make sense of what had happened发生.
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是这回想之前所发生的一切
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What did it mean that he was dead?
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去世到底意味着什么?
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Where had he gone走了?
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他去哪了?
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It was like a hole in reality现实 had opened打开 up
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有点像现实中有个洞打开
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and swallowed吞食 him.
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把他吞了。
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But then the really shocking触目惊心
question occurred发生 to me:
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但那时对我而言,有个震撼的问题是:
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If he could die, could it happen发生 to me too?
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如果他会死去,同样的事也会发生在我身上吗?
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Could that hole in reality现实 open打开 up and swallow me?
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现实中真有个洞打开并把我吞下吗?
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Would it open打开 up beneath下面 my bed
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它会在我的床底下打开
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and swallow me as I slept?
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并在我睡着的时候把我吞下吗?
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Well, at some point, all children孩子
become成为 aware知道的 of death死亡.
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嗯,某种程度而言,所有的孩子开始意识到死亡。
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It can happen发生 in different不同 ways方法, of course课程,
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当然,它会以不同的方式发生,
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and usually平时 comes in stages阶段.
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并且通常会在某个阶段到来。
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Our idea理念 of death死亡 develops发展 as we grow增长 older旧的.
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随着我们年龄的增长,我们对死亡的观念逐渐形成。
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And if you reach达到 back into the dark黑暗 corners角落
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并且如果你回想起
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of your memory记忆,
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你记忆中的最黑暗的角落时,
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you might威力 remember记得 something like what I felt
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你或许会想起和我感受相同的的一些事情
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when my grandfather祖父 died死亡 and when I realized实现
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在我祖父去世的时侯我意识到
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it could happen发生 to me too,
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同样事情也会发生在我身上,
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that sense that behind背后 all of this
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背后所有这一切的感受
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the void空虚 is waiting等候.
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是空虚的等待。
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And this development发展 in childhood童年
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在童年时代的这种发展
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reflects反映 the development发展 of our species种类.
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反应了人类的发展。
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Just as there was a point in your development发展
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就像你生命中的某一时刻
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as a child儿童 when your sense of self and of time
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还是小孩的时候,对自我和时间的认知
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became成为 sophisticated复杂的 enough足够
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变得十分复杂
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for you to realize实现 you were mortal凡人,
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你意识到你难逃一死,
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so at some point in the evolution演化 of our species种类,
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所有在人类进化的某个时刻,
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some early human's人类 sense of self and of time
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前人对自我和时间的认知
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became成为 sophisticated复杂的 enough足够
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开始变得复杂
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for them to become成为 the first human人的 to realize实现,
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然后成为第一批意识到,
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"I'm going to die."
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“我终将会死去。”的人们。
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This is, if you like, our curse诅咒.
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如果你能接受,这是我们的诅咒。
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It's the price价钱 we pay工资 for being存在 so damn该死的 clever聪明.
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那是我们对料知死亡所付出的代价。
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We have to live生活 in the knowledge知识
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我们不得不生活在
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that the worst最差 thing that can possibly或者 happen发生
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最坏的的事情将会发生的状态下,
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one day surely一定 will,
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这一天当然会来,
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the end结束 of all our projects项目,
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终结我们所有的计划,
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our hopes希望, our dreams, of our individual个人 world世界.
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我们的希望,梦想,也会带走我们的一片天。
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We each live生活 in the shadow阴影 of a personal个人
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我们每个人生活在自己的
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apocalypse启示.
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末日阴影下。
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And that's frightening可怕的. It's terrifying可怕的.
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那时很吓人,很恐怖的。
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And so we look for a way out.
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所以我们试图寻找一个出路。
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And in my case案件, as I was about five years年份 old,
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以我为例,在我5岁左右的时候,
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this meant意味着 asking my mum沉默.
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我去问我的妈妈。
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Now when I first started开始 asking
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现在当我开始问到
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what happens发生 when we die,
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我们死亡时会发生什么,
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the grown-ups大人 around me at the time
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我周围的大人们那个时候
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answered回答 with a typical典型 English英语 mix混合 of awkwardness重仓股
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会带着尴尬的
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and half-hearted三心二意 Christianity基督教,
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,基督教的经典语句来回答我,
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and the phrase短语 I heard听说 most often经常
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我最常听到的词是
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was that granddad公公 was now
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祖父现在
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"up there looking down on us,"
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”在天上看着我们“
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and if I should die too, which哪一个
wouldn't不会 happen发生 of course课程,
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并且如果我也死去,当然现在不会发生,
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then I too would go up there,
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那时我也会到天上去,
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which哪一个 made制作 death死亡 sound声音 a lot like
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让死亡听起来像
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an existential存在 elevator电梯.
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一部存在的升降电梯。
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Now this didn't sound声音 very plausible似是而非.
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现在听起来不在是那么的真实可信。
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I used to watch a children's儿童
news新闻 program程序 at the time,
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那时候我通常会看儿童的新闻节目,
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and this was the era时代 of space空间 exploration勘探.
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那时是个太空探索的时代。
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There were always rockets火箭 going up into the sky天空,
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经常会有火箭冲向蓝天,
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up into space空间, going up there.
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进入太空。
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But none没有 of the astronauts宇航员 when they came来了 back
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但是没有一个从太空归来的航天员
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ever mentioned提到 having met会见 my granddad公公
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提及我见到了我的祖父
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or any other dead people.
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或其它死去的人。
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But I was scared害怕,
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但那时我很害怕,
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and the idea理念 of taking服用 the existential存在 elevator电梯
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乘坐可能存在的升降电梯
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to see my granddad公公
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去见我的祖父
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sounded满面 a lot better than being存在 swallowed吞食
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相比在我睡梦中巨大的空间吞噬
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by the void空虚 while I slept.
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的想法更容易接受。
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And so I believed相信 it anyway无论如何,
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所以我就相信了,
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even though虽然 it didn't make much sense.
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尽管它没有任何意义。
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And this thought process处理 that I went through通过
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我小时候就有这种思考模式
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as a child儿童, and have been through通过 many许多 times since以来,
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从那时候起发生过很多次,
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including包含 as a grown-up长大,
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长大后也是,
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is a product产品 of what psychologists心理学家 call
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这被心理学家称之为
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a bias偏压.
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偏误。(偏见与误解)
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Now a bias偏压 is a way in which哪一个 we systematically系统
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偏误有自己的流程
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get things wrong错误,
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让我们按照错误的方式思考事物
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ways方法 in which哪一个 we miscalculate失算, misjudge轻视,
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计算错误,判断错误,
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distort歪曲 reality现实, or see what we want to see,
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扭曲现实,或者只看到了我们想看到的东西。
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and the bias偏压 I'm talking about
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我这里说的偏误
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works作品 like this:
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是这么回事:
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Confront面对 someone有人 with the fact事实
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某些人面对
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that they are going to die
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他们终将会死去的现实
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and they will believe just about any story故事
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他们只会相信
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that tells告诉 them it isn't true真正
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告诉他们的任何故事都不会是真的
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and they can, instead代替, live生活 forever永远,
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他们可以永久的活着,
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even if it means手段 taking服用 the existential存在 elevator电梯.
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即便乘坐可能存在的升降电梯。
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Now we can see this as the biggest最大 bias偏压 of all.
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现在我们可以将这个视为最大的偏误。
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It has been demonstrated证明 in over 400
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它已经被400多项
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empirical经验 studies学习.
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实证研究证明。
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Now these studies学习 are ingenious巧妙, but they're simple简单.
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这些研究设计的很精巧,但非常简单。
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They work like this.
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它们像这样工作。
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You take two groups of people
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你找两组
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who are similar类似 in all relevant相应 respects尊重,
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各个方面都很相似的人,
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and you remind提醒 one group that they're going to die
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并且提醒一组人他们即将死去
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but not the other, then you compare比较 their behavior行为.
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而不告诉另一群人,然后比较他们的行为。
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So you're observing观察 how it biases偏见 behavior行为
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你会观察到
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when people become成为 aware知道的 of their mortality死亡.
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当人们开始意识到他们大限将至,偏误行为是如何产生的。
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And every一切 time, you get the same相同 result结果:
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并且你每次都能得到相同的结论:
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People who are made制作 aware知道的 of their mortality死亡
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意识到会死亡的人
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are more willing愿意 to believe stories故事
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更愿意相信那些
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that tell them they can escape逃逸 death死亡
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告诉他们能够摆脱死亡
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and live生活 forever永远.
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并能长生不老的故事。
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So here's这里的 an example: One recent最近 study研究
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因此有下面这个例子:
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took two groups of agnostics不可知论者,
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找两组不可知论者,
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that is people who are undecided未定
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这些人没有固定
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in their religious宗教 beliefs信仰.
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的宗教信仰。
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Now, one group was asked to think about being存在 dead.
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现在,其中一组被要求思考死亡。
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The other group was asked to think about
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而另一种则被要求思考
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being存在 lonely孤独.
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孤独。
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They were then asked again
about their religious宗教 beliefs信仰.
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他们再次被问到他们的宗教信仰。
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Those who had been asked
to think about being存在 dead
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那些被要求死亡的那组人
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were afterwards之后 twice两次 as likely容易 to express表现 faith信仰
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有两倍的可能性来表达
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in God and Jesus耶稣.
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对上帝和耶稣的信仰。
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Twice两次 as likely容易.
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两倍的可能性。
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Even though虽然 the before they
were all equally一样 agnostic不可知.
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即使他们之前是同样的不可知论者。
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But put the fear恐惧 of death死亡 in them,
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但对死亡的恐惧摆在他们面前,
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and they run to Jesus耶稣.
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他们会向耶稣靠拢。
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Now, this shows节目 that reminding提醒 people of death死亡
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这表明向人们提醒死亡
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biases偏见 them to believe, regardless而不管 of the evidence证据,
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会让他们忽视证据,使他们对所相信的事物产生偏误,
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and it works作品 not just for religion宗教,
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他不仅仅影响到宗教,
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but for any kind of belief信仰 system系统
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如果没有所有以
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that promises许诺 immortality不朽 in some form形成,
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许诺在某种形式下永生的任何信仰制度,
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whether是否 it's becoming变得 famous著名
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无论是否有名
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or having children孩子
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或有孩子
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or even nationalism民族主义,
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甚至带民族主义形式,
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which哪一个 promises许诺 you can live生活
on as part部分 of a greater更大 whole整个.
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承诺你能成为伟大的整体中的一员生活下去。
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This is a bias偏压 that has shaped成形
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这样的偏误塑造了
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the course课程 of human人的 history历史.
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人类的历史。
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Now, the theory理论 behind背后 this bias偏压
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目前,在这偏误背后
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in the over 400 studies学习
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有超过400多项研究
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is called terror恐怖 management管理 theory理论,
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被称之为恐惧管理理论,
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and the idea理念 is simple简单. It's just this.
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这个理论很简单,
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We develop发展 our worldviews世界观,
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我们发展出我们的世界观。
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that is, the stories故事 we tell ourselves我们自己
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即我们告诉自己一个
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about the world世界 and our place地点 in it,
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关于时间和我们所在地方的故事,
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in order订购 to help us manage管理
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以便帮助我们管理
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the terror恐怖 of death死亡.
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对死亡的恐惧。
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And these immortality不朽 stories故事
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而这些永生的故事
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have thousands数千 of different不同 manifestations表现,
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有上千种不同的表现形式,
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but I believe that behind背后 the apparent明显的 diversity多样
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但我相信在这些多样化的面目下
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there are actually其实 just four basic基本 forms形式
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实际只有四种基本形式
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that these immortality不朽 stories故事 can take.
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是这些永生故事都有的。
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And we can see them repeating重复 themselves他们自己
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并且我们能发现他们
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throughout始终 history历史, just with slight轻微 variations变化
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在历史中不断重复,仅仅只有细微的差异
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to reflect反映 the vocabulary词汇 of the day.
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用来反应当时的语言。
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Now I'm going to briefly简要地 introduce介绍 these four
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下面我会简要介绍这四种
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basic基本 forms形式 of immortality不朽 story故事,
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永生故事的基本形式,
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and I want to try to give you some sense
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并且我希望让你们知道
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of the way in which哪一个 they're retold新编 by each culture文化
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在各个文化
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or generation
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或在不同时代中
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using运用 the vocabulary词汇 of their day.
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使用当时的语言传播的方式。
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Now, the first story故事 is the simplest简单.
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第一个故事是最简单的。
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We want to avoid避免 death死亡,
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我们想要逃避死亡,
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and the dream梦想 of doing that in this body身体
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并且梦想着这身躯
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in this world世界 forever永远
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能永久留存在世上
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is the first and simplest简单 kind of immortality不朽 story故事,
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是第一个最简单的永生故事,
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and it might威力 at first sound声音 implausible难以置信,
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一开始听起来有些难以置信,
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but actually其实, almost几乎 every一切 culture文化 in human人的 history历史
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但事实上,在人类历史上的每一种文化
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has had some myth神话 or legend传说
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都流传着一些神话或传说
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of an elixir of life or a fountain喷泉 of youth青年
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关于长生药或者不老泉
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or something that promises许诺 to keep us going
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或者能让我们一直
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forever永远.
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活下去的东西。
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Ancient Egypt埃及 had such这样 myths神话,
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古埃及有这种传说,
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ancient Babylon巴比伦, ancient India印度.
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古巴比伦,古印度。
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Throughout始终 European欧洲的 history历史, we find them
in the work of the alchemists炼金术士,
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纵观这个欧洲历史,在炼金术师的工作中可以发现它,
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and of course课程 we still believe this today今天,
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直到今天我们依旧相信它,
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only we tell this story故事 using运用 the vocabulary词汇
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只不过我们使用科学的语言
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of science科学.
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来讲这个故事。
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So 100 years年份 ago,
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所以100年前,
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hormones激素 had just been discovered发现,
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荷尔蒙被发现了,
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and people hoped希望 that hormone激素 treatments治疗
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人们希望荷尔蒙治疗
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were going to cure治愈 aging老化 and disease疾病,
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能使我们永葆青春和治愈疾病,
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and now instead代替 we set our hopes希望 on stem cells细胞,
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现在我们则是希望干细胞,
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genetic遗传 engineering工程, and nanotechnology纳米技术.
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基因工程,和纳米技术。
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But the idea理念 that science科学 can cure治愈 death死亡
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但科学能够治愈死亡的观点
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is just one more chapter章节 in the story故事
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只是神奇的灵丹妙药故事的
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of the magical神奇 elixir,
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又一个章节,
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a story故事 that is as old as civilization文明.
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和古文明一样古老的故事。
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But betting博彩 everything on the idea理念 of finding发现 the elixir
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但把所有的赌注都压在寻找灵丹妙药
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and staying alive forever永远
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和长生不老上面
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is a risky有风险 strategy战略.
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这样风险未免太大。
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When we look back through通过 history历史
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当我们回顾整个历史
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at all those who have sought追捧 an elixir in the past过去,
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所有那些在过去寻找灵丹妙药的人
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the one thing they now have in common共同
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都有个共通点
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is that they're all dead.
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是他们都难逃一死。
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So we need a backup备用 plan计划,
and exactly究竟 this kind of plan计划 B
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所以我们需要个备用方案,精确讲叫B方案
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is what the second第二 kind of immortality不朽 story故事 offers报价,
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也就是第二类永生的故事,
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and that's resurrection复活.
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那就是复活。
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And it stays入住 with the idea理念 that I am this body身体,
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概念是我有这个身躯,
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I am this physical物理 organism生物.
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是一个有机体。
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It accepts接受 that I'm going to have to die
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我是会死去的
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but says, despite尽管 that,
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但不论这些,
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I can rise上升 up and I can live生活 again.
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我可以再次活过来的。
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In other words, I can do what Jesus耶稣 did.
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换句话说,我能和耶稣一样。
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Jesus耶稣 died死亡, he was three days in the [tomb],
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耶稣死后,有三天在[墓里],
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and then he rose玫瑰 up and lived生活 again.
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然后又活过来了。
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And the idea理念 that we can all be
resurrected复活 to live生活 again
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能够复活的这个概念
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is orthodox正统 believe, not just for Christians基督徒
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不单源于东正教
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but also Jews犹太人 and Muslims穆斯林.
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也属于犹太教和穆斯林的。
09:04
But our desire欲望 to believe this story故事
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但我们渴望去相信这个故事
09:07
is so deeply embedded嵌入式
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是深植在我们的内心
09:09
that we are reinventing重塑 it again
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而到了科学时代
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for the scientific科学 age年龄,
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我们又重新将它提了出来,
09:12
for example, with the idea理念 of cryonics人体冷冻.
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比如,人体冷冻。
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That's the idea理念 that when you die,
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意思是当你死后,
09:17
you can have yourself你自己 frozen冻结的,
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你可以把自己冷冻起来,
09:19
and then, at some point when technology技术
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然后,直到有一天,科技
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has advanced高级 enough足够,
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高度发达的时候,
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you can be thawed解冻 out and repaired修复 and revived复活
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你可以把自己解冻和修复
09:24
and so resurrected复活.
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然后复活。
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And so some people believe an omnipotent无所不能 god
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并且有些人相信万能的神
09:29
will resurrect复活 them to live生活 again,
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会人他们重新活过来,
09:30
and other people believe an
omnipotent无所不能 scientist科学家 will do it.
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还有人则相信万能的科学。
09:35
But for others其他, the whole整个 idea理念 of resurrection复活,
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但是对某些人,对复活的这个看法,
09:37
of climbing攀登 out of the grave,
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从坟墓里爬出来,
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it's just too much like a bad zombie僵尸 movie电影.
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太像一部摆烂的僵尸电影。
09:42
They find the body身体 too messy, too unreliable靠不住
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他们发现自己的身躯腐朽,也不大可能复活,
09:45
to guarantee保证 eternal永恒 life,
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无法拥有永恒的生命,
09:47
and so they set their hopes希望 on the third第三,
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所有他们有第三类型的故事,
09:50
more spiritual精神 immortality不朽 story故事,
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更偏向于精神上的永生故事,
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the idea理念 that we can leave离开 our body身体 behind背后
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就是我们能够离开我们的身躯
09:54
and live生活 on as a soul灵魂.
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但灵魂永久长存。
09:57
Now, the majority多数 of people on Earth地球
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目前,地球上绝大多数的人
09:59
believe they have a soul灵魂,
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认为他们是有灵魂的,
10:01
and the idea理念 is central中央 to many许多 religions宗教.
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这个观念是许多宗教的核心,
10:03
But even though虽然, in its current当前 form形成,
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即便是这样,在现有的形式下,
10:05
in its traditional传统 form形成,
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在传统的形式下,
10:07
the idea理念 of the soul灵魂 is still hugely巨大 popular流行,
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灵魂的观念依旧受到了广泛欢迎,
10:09
nonetheless尽管如此, we are again
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在当今的数字化时代
10:11
reinventing重塑 it for the digital数字 age年龄,
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再次提起它,
10:13
for example with the idea理念
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比如
10:14
that you can leave离开 your body身体 behind背后
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你可以离开你的身体
10:16
by uploading上传 your mind心神, your essence本质,
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你的心智,你的本质,
10:19
the real真实 you, onto a computer电脑,
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真正的你,上传到了电脑中,
10:21
and so live生活 on as an avatar头像 in the ether.
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以化身活在乙太的世界。
10:25
But of course课程 there are skeptics怀疑论者 who say
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但是当然,有人会怀疑说
10:27
if we look at the evidence证据 of science科学,
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如果我们察看科学的依据,
10:29
particularly尤其 neuroscience神经科学,
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特别是神经系统科学,
10:31
it suggests提示 that your mind心神,
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提及你的心智,
10:33
your essence本质, the real真实 you,
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你的本质,真正的你,
10:34
is very much dependent依赖的 on a particular特定 part部分
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非常依赖你身体上一个特别的部分,
10:37
of your body身体, that is, your brain.
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也就是,你的大脑。
10:39
And such这样 skeptics怀疑论者 can find comfort安慰
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这样的怀疑者
10:41
in the fourth第四 kind of immortality不朽 story故事,
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有着第四类型的永生的故事,
10:44
and that is legacy遗产,
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那就是遗传的传说。
10:46
the idea理念 that you can live生活 on
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你可以长存在世
10:47
through通过 the echo回声 you leave离开 in the world世界,
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透过你遗留在世上的事物,
10:50
like the great Greek希腊语 warrior战士 Achilles阿喀琉斯,
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就像古希腊战士阿基里斯,
10:52
who sacrificed牺牲 his life fighting战斗 at Troy特洛伊
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他在特洛伊的战斗中牺牲了自己的生命
10:55
so that he might威力 win赢得 immortal不朽 fame名誉.
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使他赢得了不朽的名声。
10:58
And the pursuit追求 of fame名誉 is as widespread广泛
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追求这样的名声从古至今
11:00
and popular流行 now as it ever was,
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都一样流行,
11:02
and in our digital数字 age年龄,
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在当今的数字时代,
11:04
it's even easier更轻松 to achieve实现.
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它更容易实现。
11:05
You don't need to be a great warrior战士 like Achilles阿喀琉斯
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你不必要成为像阿基里斯这样的勇士
11:08
or a great king国王 or hero英雄.
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或者一个伟大的国王或者英雄。
11:09
All you need is an Internet互联网 connection连接
and a funny滑稽 cat. (Laughter笑声)
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你只要能上网和一只有趣的猫。(笑)
11:14
But some people prefer比较喜欢 to leave离开 a more tangible有形,
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但有些人希望留下后代----
11:17
biological生物 legacy遗产 -- children孩子, for example.
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子孙。
11:19
Or they like, they hope希望, to live生活 on
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或是他们想要,希望
11:22
as part部分 of some greater更大 whole整个,
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成为整个整体中的一部分活下去,
11:23
a nation国家 or a family家庭 or a tribe部落,
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一个名族,或者一个家庭或者一个部落,
11:26
their gene基因 pool.
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他们的基因库。
11:28
But again, there are skeptics怀疑论者
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但有人会怀疑
11:30
who doubt怀疑 whether是否 legacy遗产
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这些遗产是否
11:31
really is immortality不朽.
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真的能永久流传下去。
11:33
Woody伍迪 Allen艾伦, for example, who said,
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比如,伍迪 艾伦,曾说过,
11:36
"I don't want to live生活 on in
the hearts心中 of my countrymen同胞.
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“我不想活在我同胞的心里。
11:38
I want to live生活 on in my apartment公寓."
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我想活在我的公寓里。“
11:40
So those are the four
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所以那些都是四种
11:42
basic基本 kinds of immortality不朽 stories故事,
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基本的永生的故事,
11:44
and I've tried试着 to give just some sense
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我试着说明这些故事
11:46
of how they're retold新编 by each generation
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如何一代一代流传着
11:48
with just slight轻微 variations变化
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但也都大同小异
11:50
to fit适合 the fashions时装 of the day.
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以迎合当今时代的潮流。
11:52
And the fact事实 that they recur复发 in this way,
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事实上这些故事不停的被传述,
11:56
in such这样 a similar类似 form形成 but
in such这样 different不同 belief信仰 systems系统,
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在不同的信仰中有着相似的形式,
11:58
suggests提示, I think,
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我觉得,
12:00
that we should be skeptical怀疑的 of the truth真相
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我们应该对
12:02
of any particular特定 version of these stories故事.
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所有这些故事的真实性要有所怀疑,
12:06
The fact事实 that some people believe
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事实上有些人民相信
12:08
an omnipotent无所不能 god will resurrect复活 them to live生活 again
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一个万能的神能让他们复活
12:11
and others其他 believe an omnipotent无所不能 scientist科学家 will do it
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还有一些人相信万能的科学能使他们复活
12:15
suggests提示 that neither也不 are really believing相信 this
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这说明人们在确凿的证据面前
12:18
on the strength强度 of the evidence证据.
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并不相信永生这回事儿
12:20
Rather, we believe these stories故事
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我们相信这些故事
12:23
because we are biased to believe them,
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只是因为偏见,
12:25
and we are biased to believe them
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我们偏误去相信这些故事
12:27
because we are so afraid害怕 of death死亡.
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因为我们恐惧死亡。
12:31
So the question is,
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所以问题是,
12:33
are we doomed注定 to lead the one life we have
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是否我们的人生注定生活在
12:36
in a way that is shaped成形 by fear恐惧 and denial否认,
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对恐惧的抗拒和支配,
12:40
or can we overcome克服 this bias偏压?
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还是我们能够克服偏误?
12:43
Well the Greek希腊语 philosopher哲学家 Epicurus伊壁鸠鲁
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古希腊哲学家伊比鸠鲁
12:46
thought we could.
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认为我们可以克服。
12:47
He argued争论 that the fear恐惧 of death死亡 is natural自然,
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他主张我们对死亡的恐惧是天生的,
12:51
but it is not rational合理的.
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但不是理性的。
12:53
"Death死亡," he said, "is nothing to us,
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他说,”死亡对我们来说不算什么
12:56
because when we are here, death死亡 is not,
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因为但我们在的时候,死亡不在,
12:59
and when death死亡 is here, we are gone走了."
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而当死亡在这里的时候,我们不在了。“
13:03
Now this is often经常 quoted, but it's difficult
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这句话常被引用,但很难
13:04
to really grasp把握, to really internalize内在,
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抓住精髓和真正的内在化,
13:07
because exactly究竟 this idea理念 of being存在 gone走了
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因为所谓的(不存在)
13:09
is so difficult to imagine想像.
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是很难想象的。
13:11
So 2,000 years年份 later后来, another另一个 philosopher哲学家,
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所以两千年之后,另一位哲学家,
13:13
Ludwig路德维希 Wittgenstein维特根斯坦, put it like this:
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路德维格 维根斯坦,这样说:
13:17
"Death死亡 is not an event事件 in life:
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“死亡并非人生中的大事:
13:20
We do not live生活 to experience经验 death死亡.
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我们活着不是为了经历死亡,
13:23
And so," he added添加,
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所以”他补充到,
13:25
"in this sense, life has no end结束."
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“从这个角度来看,生命是没有终点的。“
13:27
So it was natural自然 for me as a child儿童
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当我还小的时候,
13:31
to fear恐惧 being存在 swallowed吞食 by the void空虚,
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很自然的对在空虚中被吞噬产生恐惧,
13:33
but it wasn't rational合理的,
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但这并非理性,
13:35
because being存在 swallowed吞食 by the void空虚
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因为在空虚中被吞噬
13:37
is not something that any of us
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不是任何人
13:39
will ever live生活 to experience经验.
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会活着能够经历到的事情。
13:42
Now, overcoming克服 this bias偏压 is not easy简单 because
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目前,克服偏误不是那么容易的因为
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the fear恐惧 of death死亡 is so deeply embedded嵌入式 in us,
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对死亡的恐惧已经在我们心底生根发芽
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yet然而 when we see that the fear恐惧 itself本身 is not rational合理的,
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但当我们了解这些恐惧是不理性的,
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and when we bring带来 out into the open打开
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当我们可以在台面上提出来
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the ways方法 in which哪一个 it can unconsciously不知不觉 bias偏压 us,
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这恐惧会无意识的让我们偏误,
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then we can at least最小 start开始
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那么至少我们已经开始
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to try to minimize最小化 the influence影响 it has
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尝试去减小它
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on our lives生活.
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对我们生活的影响。
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Now, I find it helps帮助 to see life
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目前,我发现可以将生命
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as being存在 like a book:
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视为一本书:
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Just as a book is bounded by its covers盖子,
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书的开头和结尾
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by beginning开始 and end结束,
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都被书皮包裹着,
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so our lives生活 are bounded by birth分娩 and death死亡,
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所以我们的生命被出生和死亡所固定,
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and even though虽然 a book is
limited有限 by beginning开始 and end结束,
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即便这本书受到开头和结尾的限制,
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it can encompass环绕 distant遥远 landscapes景观,
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它能带我们去遥远的地方,
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exotic异国情调 figures人物, fantastic奇妙 adventures冒险.
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异国的风情,奇异的冒险。
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And even though虽然 a book is
limited有限 by beginning开始 and end结束,
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即便这本书受到开头和结尾的限制,
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the characters人物 within it
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书里面的人物
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know no horizons视野.
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是不会被限制的,
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They only know the moments瞬间
that make up their story故事,
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它们当下活出他们的故事,
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even when the book is closed关闭.
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即便这本书被合上。
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And so the characters人物 of a book
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书中的人物
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are not afraid害怕 of reaching到达 the last page.
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不会害怕走到最后一页。
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Long John约翰 Silver is not afraid害怕 of you
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约翰 西弗不会害怕
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finishing精加工 your copy复制 of "Treasure宝藏 Island."
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你读完《金银岛》。
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And so it should be with us.
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所以我们也应当如此。
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Imagine想像 the book of your life,
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想象关于你生命的一本书,
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its covers盖子, its beginning开始 and end结束,
and your birth分娩 and your death死亡.
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它的书皮,开头和结局和出生和死亡。
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You can only know the moments瞬间 in between之间,
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而你只知道生死之间
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the moments瞬间 that make up your life.
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活出你生命的时刻。
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It makes品牌 no sense for you to fear恐惧
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这不会让你
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what is outside of those covers盖子,
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对书皮之外的事产生恐惧,
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whether是否 before your birth分娩
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无论是你出生之前
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or after your death死亡.
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还是 死亡之后。
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And you needn't不用 worry担心 how long the book is,
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你不必担心这本书有多厚,
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or whether是否 it's a comic滑稽 strip跳闸 or an epic史诗.
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无论它是本连环画还是部史诗。
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The only thing that matters事项
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唯一重要的
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is that you make it a good story故事.
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是你活得精彩!
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Thank you.
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谢谢。
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(Applause掌声)
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(掌声)
Translated by Alex Ho
Reviewed by 王 晓夫

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Stephen Cave - Philosopher
Philosopher Stephen Cave wants to know: Why is humanity so obsessed with living forever?

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Stephen Cave is a writer and philosopher who is obsessed with our obsession with immortality. In 2012 he published Immortality: The Quest to Live Forever and How It Drives Civilization, an inquiry into humanity's rather irrational resistance to the inevitability of death. Cave moves across time and history's major civilizations and religions to explore just what drives this instinct -- and what that means for the future. Cave writes for The Financial Times and contributes to The New York Times, The Guardian and Wired.

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