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Manwar Ali: Inside the mind of a former radical jihadist
Manvar Ali (Manwar Ali): Unutar uma bivšeg radikalnog džihadiste
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„Dugo vremena, živeo sam za smrt“, kaže Manvar Ali, bivši radikalni džihadista koji je učestvovao u nasilnim, naoružanim kampanjama po Srednjem Istoku i Aziji '80-ih godina. U ovom dirljivom govoru, osvrće se na svoje iskustvo sa radikalizacijom i upućuje snažni, direktni poziv za bilo koga ko je uvučen u islamističke grupe koje tvrde da su nasilje i brutalnost plemeniti i moralni - otpustite bes i mržnju, kaže on, i umesto toga negujte svoje srce tako da vidite dobrotu, lepotu i istinu u drugima.
Manwar Ali - Peace activist
A former committed pioneer of violent jihad, Manwar Ali draws on his experience and deepening understanding of Islam to prevent radicalisation and extremism. Full bio
A former committed pioneer of violent jihad, Manwar Ali draws on his experience and deepening understanding of Islam to prevent radicalisation and extremism. Full bio
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00:12
Today I stand before you
as a man who lives life to the full
as a man who lives life to the full
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Danas stojim pred vama kao čovek
koji živi život u celosti
koji živi život u celosti
00:16
in the here and now.
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ovde i sada.
00:19
But for a long time,
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Međutim, dugo vremena,
00:20
I lived for death.
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živeo sam za smrt.
00:23
I was a young man who believed
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Bio sam mladić koji je verovao
00:25
that jihad is to be understood
in the language of force and violence.
in the language of force and violence.
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da džihad treba razumeti
jezikom sile i nasilja.
jezikom sile i nasilja.
00:32
I tried to right wrongs
through power and aggression.
through power and aggression.
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Pokušao sam da ispravim nepravde
kroz snagu i agresiju.
kroz snagu i agresiju.
00:37
I had deep concerns
for the suffering of others
for the suffering of others
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Duboko sam se brinuo zbog patnje drugih
00:42
and a strong desire
to help and bring relief to them.
to help and bring relief to them.
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i imao sam snažnu želju da pomognem
i da im donesem olakšanje.
i da im donesem olakšanje.
00:49
I thought violent jihad was noble,
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Mislio sam da je nasilni džihad
plemenit, viteški
plemenit, viteški
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chivalrous
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00:53
and the best way to help.
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i najbolji način da se pomogne.
00:57
At a time when so many of our people --
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U vreme kada je toliko naših ljudi -
pogotovo mladih -
00:59
young people especially --
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pod rizikom od radikalizacije
01:00
are at risk of radicalization
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01:03
through groups like al-Qaeda,
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kroz grupe kao što je Al Kaida,
01:05
Islamic State and others,
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Islamska država i druge,
01:07
when these groups are claiming
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kada te grupe tvrde
01:09
that their horrific brutality
and violence are true jihad,
and violence are true jihad,
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da njihova stravična brutalnost
i nasilje predstavljaju pravi džihad,
i nasilje predstavljaju pravi džihad,
01:14
I want to say that their idea
of jihad is wrong --
of jihad is wrong --
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želim da kažem da je njihova predstava
o džihadu pogrešna,
o džihadu pogrešna,
01:18
completely wrong --
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potpuno pogrešna,
01:20
as was mine, then.
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kao što je bila i moja tada.
01:23
Jihad means to strive to one's utmost.
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Džihad znači težiti ka svom maksimumu.
01:26
It includes exertion and spirituality,
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On podrazumeva ulaganje truda
i spiritualnost,
i spiritualnost,
01:29
self-purification
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samopročišćavanje i posvećenost.
01:31
and devotion.
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01:34
It refers to positive transformation
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Odnosi se na pozitivan preobražaj
01:37
through learning, wisdom
and remembrance of God.
and remembrance of God.
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kroz učenje, mudrost i podsećanje na boga.
01:41
The word jihad stands
for all those meanings as a whole.
for all those meanings as a whole.
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Reč „džihad“ podrazumeva
sva ta značenja ujedno.
sva ta značenja ujedno.
01:46
Jihad may at times
take the form of fighting,
take the form of fighting,
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Džihad povremeno može
poprimiti oblik borbe,
poprimiti oblik borbe,
01:51
but only sometimes,
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ali samo ponekad,
01:53
under strict conditions,
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pod strogim uslovima,
01:56
within rules and limits.
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u okviru pravila i ograničenja.
01:59
In Islam,
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U islamu,
mora biti više koristi nekog čina
od štete i nedaća koje povlači sa sobom.
od štete i nedaća koje povlači sa sobom.
02:01
the benefit of an act must outweigh
the harm or hardship it entails.
the harm or hardship it entails.
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02:07
More importantly,
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Što je još važnije,
02:09
the verses in the Koran
that are connected to jihad or fighting
that are connected to jihad or fighting
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stihovi iz Kurana koji su vezani
za džihad ili borbu
za džihad ili borbu
02:13
do not cancel out the verses
that talk about forgiveness,
that talk about forgiveness,
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ne isključuju stihove
koji govore o opraštanju,
koji govore o opraštanju,
02:19
benevolence
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dobročinstvu ili strpljenju.
02:20
or patience.
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02:25
But now I believe that there are
no circumstances on earth
no circumstances on earth
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Međutim, danas smatram
da ne postoje okolnosti na svetu
da ne postoje okolnosti na svetu
02:29
where violent jihad is permissible,
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u kojima je nasilni džihad dopustiv,
02:32
because it will lead to greater harm.
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jer će dovesti do veće štete.
02:37
But now the idea of jihad
has been hijacked.
has been hijacked.
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Međutim, danas je ideja
o džihadu zaplenjena.
o džihadu zaplenjena.
02:40
It has been perverted
to mean violent struggle
to mean violent struggle
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Izopačena je tako da označava
nasilnu borbu
nasilnu borbu
02:43
wherever Muslims
are undergoing difficulties,
are undergoing difficulties,
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gde god muslimani prolaze kroz teškoće
02:46
and turned into terrorism
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i preokrenuta u terorizam
02:48
by fascistic Islamists like al-Qaeda,
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od strane fašističkih islamista
kao što je Al Kaida,
kao što je Al Kaida,
02:51
Islamic State and others.
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Islamska država i druge.
02:54
But I have come to understand
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Ipak, shvatio sam
02:56
that true jihad
means striving to the utmost
means striving to the utmost
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da istinski džihad znači
težiti ka maksimumu
težiti ka maksimumu
03:00
to strengthen and live
those qualities which God loves:
those qualities which God loves:
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da bismo ojačali i oživeli
one osobine koje bog voli:
one osobine koje bog voli:
03:04
honesty, trustworthiness,
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iskrenost, poverenje,
03:06
compassion, benevolence,
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saosećanje, dobronamernost,
03:08
reliability, respect,
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pouzdanost, poštovanje,
03:10
truthfulness --
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istinoljubivost -
03:12
human values that so many of us share.
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ljudske vrednosti koje dele mnogi od nas.
03:18
I was born in Bangladesh,
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Rođen sam u Bangladešu,
03:20
but grew up mostly in England.
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ali sam uglavnom odrastao u Engleskoj.
03:22
And I went to school here.
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Išao sam u školu ovde.
Moj otac je bio naučnik
03:24
My father was an academic,
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03:26
and we were in the UK through his work.
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i bili smo u Ujedinjenom Kraljevstvu
preko njegovog rada.
preko njegovog rada.
03:30
In 1971 we were in Bangladesh
when everything changed.
when everything changed.
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Godine 1971, bili smo u Bangladešu
kada se sve promenilo.
kada se sve promenilo.
03:36
The War of Independence
impacted upon us terribly,
impacted upon us terribly,
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Rat za nezavisnost
se užasno odrazio na nas,
se užasno odrazio na nas,
suprotstavljajući porodicu
protiv porodice,
protiv porodice,
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pitting family against family,
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03:41
neighbor against neighbor.
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komšiju protiv komšije.
03:43
And at the age of 12 I experienced war,
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U 12. godini sam doživeo rat,
03:46
destitution in my family,
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siromaštvo u svojoj porodici,
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the deaths of 22
of my relatives in horrible ways,
of my relatives in horrible ways,
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smrt 22 rođaka na užasne načine,
03:52
as well as the murder of my elder brother.
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kao i ubistvo svog starijeg brata.
03:59
I witnessed killing ...
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Bio sam svedok ubijanja,
04:03
animals feeding on corpses in the streets,
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životinja koje se hrane
leševima po ulicama,
leševima po ulicama,
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starvation all around me,
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gladovanja svuda oko mene,
04:07
wanton, horrific violence --
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bezobzirno, stravično nasilje -
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senseless violence.
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besmisleno nasilje.
04:14
I was a young man,
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Bio sam mlad,
04:16
teenager, fascinated by ideas.
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tinejdžer, fasciniran idejama.
04:19
I wanted to learn,
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Želeo sam da učim,
04:20
but I could not go to school
for four years.
for four years.
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ali nisam mogao da idem u školu
tokom četiri godine.
tokom četiri godine.
04:24
After the War of Independence,
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Nakon rata za nezavisnost,
mog oca su smestili u zatvor
na dve i po godine,
na dve i po godine,
04:26
my father was put in prison
for two and a half years,
for two and a half years,
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04:29
and I used to visit him
every week in prison,
every week in prison,
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a ja sam ga posećivao
u zatvoru svake nedelje
u zatvoru svake nedelje
04:33
and homeschooled myself.
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i podučavao sam sebe kod kuće.
04:36
My father was released in 1973
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Moj otac je pušten na slobodu 1973. godine
04:39
and he fled to England as a refugee,
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i pobegao je u Englesku kao izbeglica,
04:42
and we soon followed him.
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a mi smo uskoro krenuli za njim.
04:44
I was 17.
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Imao sam 17 godina.
04:46
So these experiences gave me
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Ova iskustva su mi pružila
04:48
a sharp awareness of the atrocities
and injustices in the world.
and injustices in the world.
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izrazitu svesnost o svirepostima
i nepravdama u svetu.
i nepravdama u svetu.
04:54
And I had a strong desire --
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Imao sam snažnu želju -
04:56
a very keen, deep desire --
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veoma žestoku, duboku želju -
04:58
to right wrongs
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da ispravim nepravde
i pomognem žrtvama ugnjetavanja.
i pomognem žrtvama ugnjetavanja.
04:59
and help the victims of oppression.
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Dok sam studirao na fakultetu
u Ujedinjenom Kraljevstvu,
u Ujedinjenom Kraljevstvu,
05:02
While studying at college in the UK,
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05:04
I met others who showed me
how I could channel that desire
how I could channel that desire
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sretao sam druge koji su mi pokazali
kako da kanališem tu želju
kako da kanališem tu želju
05:10
and help through my religion.
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i da pomognem kroz svoju religiju.
05:13
And I was radicalized --
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Bio sam radikalizovan,
05:15
enough to consider violence correct,
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dovoljno da smatram nasilje ispravnim,
05:19
even a virtue under certain circumstances.
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čak i vrlinom pod određenim okolnostima.
05:24
So I became involved
in the jihad in Afghanistan.
in the jihad in Afghanistan.
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Tako sam se priključio
džihadu u Avganistanu.
džihadu u Avganistanu.
Hteo sam da zaštitim
muslimansko stanovništvo Avganistana
muslimansko stanovništvo Avganistana
05:27
I wanted to protect the Muslim Afghan
population against the Soviet army.
population against the Soviet army.
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od sovjetske vojske.
05:32
And I thought that was jihad:
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Mislio sam da je to džihad,
05:35
my sacred duty,
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moja sveta dužnost,
05:36
which would be rewarded by God.
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koju će bog nagraditi.
05:43
I became a preacher.
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Postao sam propovednik.
05:47
I was one of the pioneers
of violent jihad in the UK.
of violent jihad in the UK.
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Bio sam jedan od pionira nasilnog džihada
u Ujedinjenom Kraljevstvu.
u Ujedinjenom Kraljevstvu.
05:53
I recruited,
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Regrutovao sam,
05:54
I raised funds, I trained.
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prikupljao sredstva, obučavao sam.
05:57
I confused true jihad
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Pomešao sam pravi džihad
sa ovom izopačenošću
sa ovom izopačenošću
05:59
with this perversion
as presented by the fascist Islamists --
as presented by the fascist Islamists --
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kako su je predstavili
fašistički islamisti -
fašistički islamisti -
06:05
these people who use the idea of jihad
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ti ljudi koji koriste ideju o džihadu
06:08
to justify their lust for power,
authority and control on earth:
authority and control on earth:
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da bi opravdali svoju žudnju za moći,
autoritetom i kontrolom na zemlji,
autoritetom i kontrolom na zemlji,
06:13
a perversion perpetuated today
by fascist Islamist groups
by fascist Islamist groups
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sa izopačenošću koju danas održavaju
fašističke islamističke grupe
fašističke islamističke grupe
06:18
like al-Qaeda, Islamic State and others.
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kao što su Al Kaida,
Islamska država i druge.
Islamska država i druge.
06:22
For a period of around 15 years,
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Tokom perioda od oko 15 godina,
06:25
I fought for short periods of time
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borio sam se na kraće vreme
06:30
in Kashmir and Burma,
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u Kašmiru i Burmi,
06:32
besides Afghanistan.
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pored Avganistana.
06:37
Our aim was to remove the invaders,
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Naš cilj je bio da uklonimo okupatore,
06:40
to bring relief to the oppressed victims
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da donesemo olakšanje potlačenim žrtvama
06:44
and of course to establish
an Islamic state,
an Islamic state,
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i, naravno, da uspostavimo
Islamsku državu,
Islamsku državu,
06:48
a caliphate for God's rule.
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kalifat za božju vladavinu.
06:50
And I did this openly.
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Radio sam ovo otvoreno.
06:53
I didn't break any laws.
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Nisam prekršio nijedan zakon.
06:56
I was proud and grateful to be British --
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Bio sam ponosan i zahvalan
što sam Britanac -
što sam Britanac -
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I still am.
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i još uvek sam.
07:01
And I bore no hostility
against this, my country,
against this, my country,
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Nisam gajio nikakvo neprijateljstvo
protiv ove, moje zemlje,
protiv ove, moje zemlje,
07:05
nor enmity towards
the non-Muslim citizens,
the non-Muslim citizens,
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niti mržnju prema nemuslimanima,
07:09
and I still don't.
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i ne gajim ih ni danas.
07:13
During one battle in Afghanistan,
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Za vreme jedne bitke u Avganistanu,
07:16
some British men and I
formed a special bond
formed a special bond
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neki muškarci iz Britanije
i ja smo se naročito povezali
i ja smo se naročito povezali
07:19
with a 15-year-old Afghani boy,
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sa avganistanskim dečakom od 15 godina,
07:22
Abdullah,
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Abdulahom,
07:24
an innocent, loving and lovable kid
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nevinim i simpatičnim detetom
sa puno ljubavi
sa puno ljubavi
07:27
who was always eager to please.
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koje je uvek bilo željno da udovolji.
07:30
He was poor.
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Bio je siromašan.
07:32
And boys like him
did menial tasks in the camp.
did menial tasks in the camp.
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Dečaci poput njega su obavljali
fizičke poslove u kampu.
fizičke poslove u kampu.
07:36
And he seemed happy enough,
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Delovao je sasvim srećno,
ali nisam mogao da se ne zapitam -
07:38
but I couldn't help wonder --
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07:39
his parents must have missed him dearly.
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mora da je jako nedostajao
svojim roditeljima.
svojim roditeljima.
07:43
And they must have dreamt
about a better future for him.
about a better future for him.
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Mora da su maštali
o boljoj budućnosti za njega.
o boljoj budućnosti za njega.
07:49
A victim of circumstance
caught up in a war,
caught up in a war,
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Žrtva okolnosti obuhvaćena ratom
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cruelly thrust upon him
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koji su nemilosrdno bacile na njega
07:54
by the cruel circumstances of the time.
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okrutne okolnosti tog vremena.
08:00
One day I picked up this unexploded
mortar shell in a trench,
mortar shell in a trench,
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Jednog dana sam podigao
neeksplodiranu granatu u rovu
neeksplodiranu granatu u rovu
08:06
and I had it deposited
in a makeshift mud hut lab.
in a makeshift mud hut lab.
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i položio sam je u improvizovanu
laboratoriju od blata.
laboratoriju od blata.
08:11
And I went out on a short,
pointless skirmish --
pointless skirmish --
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Otišao sam u kratki, besmisleni okršaj,
08:14
always pointless,
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uvek besmislen,
08:16
And I came back a few hours later
to discover he was dead.
to discover he was dead.
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i vratio sam se nekoliko sati kasnije
da bih otkrio da je mrtav.
da bih otkrio da je mrtav.
08:21
He had tried to recover
explosives from that shell.
explosives from that shell.
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Pokušao je da izvuče
eksplozive iz te granate.
eksplozive iz te granate.
08:23
It exploded, and he died a violent death,
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Eksplodirala je i umro je nasilnom smrću,
08:27
blown to bits by the very same device
that had proved harmless to me.
that had proved harmless to me.
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tako što ga je raznela na komade
ista naprava koja se kod mene
pokazala kao bezopasna.
pokazala kao bezopasna.
08:33
So I started to question.
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Počeo sam da postavljam pitanja.
08:36
How did his death serve any purpose?
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Kako je njegova smrt poslužila
bilo kojoj svrsi?
bilo kojoj svrsi?
08:42
Why did he die and I lived?
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Zašto je on umro, a ja sam preživeo?
08:45
I carried on.
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Nastavio sam dalje.
08:47
I fought in Kashmir.
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Borio sam se u Kašmiru.
08:48
I also recruited for the Philippines,
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Takođe sam regrutovao za Filipine,
08:51
Bosnia and Chechnya.
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Bosnu i Čečeniju.
08:54
And the questions grew.
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Pitanja je bilo sve više.
08:57
Later in Burma,
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Kasnije, u Burmi,
08:59
I came across Rohingya fighters,
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naišao sam na ratnike Rohindža
09:02
who were barely teenagers,
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koji jedva da su bili tinejdžeri,
09:04
born and brought up in the jungle,
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rođeni i odgajani u džungli,
noseći mitraljeze i minobacače.
09:06
carrying machine guns
and grenade launchers.
and grenade launchers.
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09:12
I met two 13-year-olds
with soft manners and gentle voices.
with soft manners and gentle voices.
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Upoznao sam dva trinaestogodišnjaka
sa finim manirima i nežnim glasovima.
sa finim manirima i nežnim glasovima.
09:18
Looking at me,
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Gledajući me,
molili su me da ih odvedem u Englesku.
09:20
they begged me
to take them away to England.
to take them away to England.
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09:28
They simply wanted to go to school --
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Jednostavno su želeli da idu u školu;
09:31
that was their dream.
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to je bio njihov san.
09:36
My family --
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Moja porodica -
moja deca istog uzrasta,
09:37
my children of the same age --
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09:39
were living at home in the UK,
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živela su kod kuće
u Ujedinjenom Kraljevstvu,
u Ujedinjenom Kraljevstvu,
09:42
going to school,
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išla u školu
09:43
living a safe life.
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i vodila bezbedan život.
Nisam mogao da se ne zapitam
09:45
And I couldn't help wonder
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koliko mora da su ti dečaci
međusobno razgovarali
međusobno razgovarali
09:47
how much these young boys
must have spoken to one another
must have spoken to one another
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09:50
about their dreams for such a life.
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o svojim snovima o takvom životu.
09:54
Victims of circumstances:
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Žrtve okolnosti,
09:58
these two young boys,
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ova dva dečaka
10:00
sleeping rough on the ground,
looking up at the stars,
looking up at the stars,
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koja spavaju na gruboj zemlji,
gledaju u zvezde,
gledaju u zvezde,
10:03
cynically exploited by their leaders
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cinično eksploatisani od svojih lidera
10:05
for their personal lust
for glory and power.
for glory and power.
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zarad njihove lične pohlepe
za slavom i moći.
za slavom i moći.
Uskoro sam prisustvovao kada su se dečaci
poput njih ubijali međusobno
poput njih ubijali međusobno
10:09
I soon witnessed boys like them
killing one another
killing one another
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10:13
in conflicts between rival groups.
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u konfliktima suprotstavljenih grupa.
10:17
And it was the same everywhere ...
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Svuda je bilo isto -
10:21
Afghanistan, Kashmir, Burma,
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u Avganistanu, Kašmiru, Burmi,
10:23
Philippines, Chechnya;
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Filipinima, Čečeniji -
10:26
petty warlords got the young
and vulnerable to kill one another
and vulnerable to kill one another
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sitni gospodari rata su navodili
mlade i ranjive da ubijaju jedni druge
mlade i ranjive da ubijaju jedni druge
10:30
in the name of jihad.
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u ime džihada.
10:34
Muslims against Muslims.
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Muslimani protiv muslimana.
10:37
Not protecting anyone
against invaders or occupiers;
against invaders or occupiers;
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Nisu štitili nikoga
od napadača ili okupatora,
od napadača ili okupatora,
10:42
not bringing relief to the oppressed.
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niti su donosili olakšanje potlačenima.
10:46
Children being used,
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Deca su iskorišćavana,
10:47
cynically exploited;
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cinično izrabljivana;
10:49
people dying in conflicts
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ljudi su umirali u konfliktima
10:51
which I was supporting
in the name of jihad.
in the name of jihad.
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koje sam podržavao u ime džihada.
10:56
And it still carries on today.
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To se i dalje danas nastavlja.
11:03
Realizing that the violent jihad
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Shvativiši da je nasilni džihad
11:07
I had engaged in abroad
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u kome sam bio uključen u inostranstvu
11:13
was so different --
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bio toliko drugačiji -
11:17
such a chasm between
what I had experienced
what I had experienced
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takav jaz između onoga što sam doživeo
11:22
and what I thought was sacred duty --
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i što sam smatrao da je sveta dužnost -
11:24
I had to reflect
on my activities here in the UK.
on my activities here in the UK.
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morao sam da se osvrnem
na svoje aktivnosti
na svoje aktivnosti
ovde, u Ujedinjenom Kraljevstvu.
Morao sam da razmotrim svoje propovedanje,
11:30
I had to consider my preaching,
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regrutovanje, prikupljanje sredstava,
11:32
recruiting, fund-raising,
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11:33
training,
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obučavanje,
11:35
but most importantly, radicalizing --
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ali najvažnije, radikalizaciju -
11:38
sending young people to fight and die
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slanje mladih ljudi da se bore i umiru
11:40
as I was doing --
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kao što sam činio -
11:42
all totally wrong.
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sve potpuno pogrešno.
11:47
So I got involved
in violent jihad in the mid '80s,
in violent jihad in the mid '80s,
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Uključio sam se u nasilni džihad
sredinom '80-ih godina,
sredinom '80-ih godina,
11:51
starting with Afghanistan.
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počevši od Avganistana.
11:54
And by the time I finished
it was in the year 2000.
it was in the year 2000.
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Kada sam završio, bila je 2000. godina.
11:59
I was completely immersed in it.
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Potpuno sam bio unesen u njega.
12:00
All around me people supported,
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Svuda oko mene
ljudi su podržavali, aplaudirali,
ljudi su podržavali, aplaudirali,
12:02
applauded,
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čak i slavili ono što smo činili
u njihovo ime.
u njihovo ime.
12:03
even celebrated what
we were doing in their name.
we were doing in their name.
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Međutim, onda kada sam spoznao
da treba da izađem,
da treba da izađem,
12:08
But by the time I learned to get out,
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12:10
completely disillusioned in the year 2000,
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potpuno razbijenih iluzija 2000. godine,
12:12
15 years had passed.
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15 godina je prošlo.
12:17
So what goes wrong?
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Dakle, šta krene naopako?
12:20
We were so busy talking about virtue,
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Bili smo tako zauzeti govoreći o vrlini
12:25
and we were blinded by a cause.
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i bili smo zaslepljeni ciljem.
12:32
And we did not give ourselves a chance
to develop a virtuous character.
to develop a virtuous character.
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Nismo dali sebi priliku
da razvijemo čestitu ličnost.
da razvijemo čestitu ličnost.
12:37
We told ourselves
we were fighting for the oppressed,
we were fighting for the oppressed,
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Govorili smo sebi
da se borimo za ugnjetavane,
da se borimo za ugnjetavane,
12:41
but these were unwinnable wars.
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ali to su bili ratovi
koji se nisu mogli izvojevati.
koji se nisu mogli izvojevati.
12:45
We became the very instrument
through which more deaths occurred,
through which more deaths occurred,
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Postali smo upravo oruđe
kroz koje je dolazilo do više smrti,
kroz koje je dolazilo do više smrti,
12:49
complicit in causing further misery
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saučesnici u izazivanju dalje bede
12:53
for the selfish benefit of the cruel few.
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zarad sebične koristi okrutne nekolicine.
13:04
So over time,
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Tako sam vremenom,
13:05
a very long time,
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nakon vrlo dužeg vremena,
13:08
I opened my eyes.
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otvorio oči.
13:11
I began to dare
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Postepeno sam se osmelio
13:15
to face the truth,
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da se suočim sa istinom,
13:16
to think,
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da razmislim,
13:19
to face the hard questions.
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da se suočim sa teškim pitanjima.
13:21
I got in touch with my soul.
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Stupio sam u kontakt sa svojom dušom.
13:34
What have I learned?
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Šta sam naučio?
13:36
That people who engage
in violent jihadism,
in violent jihadism,
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Da ljudi koji se angažuju
u nasilnom džihadu,
u nasilnom džihadu,
13:42
that people who are drawn
to these types of extremisms,
to these types of extremisms,
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ti ljudi koje privlači
takva vrsta ekstremizma,
takva vrsta ekstremizma,
13:46
are not that different to everyone else.
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nisu toliko drugačiji od bilo koga drugog.
Ipak, verujem da se takvi ljudi
mogu promeniti.
mogu promeniti.
13:49
But I believe such people can change.
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13:54
They can regain their hearts
and restore them
and restore them
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Mogu da povrate svoje srce i oporave ga
13:57
by filling them
with human values that heal.
with human values that heal.
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ispunivši ga ljudskim vrednostima
koje isceljuju.
14:07
When we ignore the realities,
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Kada ignorišemo stvarnost,
14:09
we discover that we accept what
we are told without critical reflection.
we are told without critical reflection.
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otkrijemo da prihvatamo šta nam se kaže
bez kritičkog osvrtanja.
bez kritičkog osvrtanja.
14:17
And we ignore the gifts and advantages
that many of us would cherish
that many of us would cherish
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Ignorišemo darove i prilike
koje bi mnogi od nas cenili
koje bi mnogi od nas cenili
14:21
even for a single moment in their lives.
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čak i samo na jedan trenutak u životu.
14:28
I engaged in actions
I thought were correct.
I thought were correct.
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Angažovao sam se u akcijama
za koje sam smatrao da su ispravne.
za koje sam smatrao da su ispravne.
14:33
But now I began to question
how I knew what I knew.
how I knew what I knew.
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Međutim, sada počinjem da preispitujem
kako sam znao ono što sam znao.
kako sam znao ono što sam znao.
14:39
I endlessly told others
to accept the truth,
to accept the truth,
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Beskrajno sam govorio drugima
da prihvate istinu,
da prihvate istinu,
ali nisam uspeo da dam sumnji
mesto koje joj s pravom pripada.
mesto koje joj s pravom pripada.
14:43
but I failed to give doubt
its rightful place.
its rightful place.
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14:52
This conviction that people can change
is rooted in my experience,
is rooted in my experience,
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Ovo ubeđenje da se ljudi mogu promeniti
ukorenjeno je u mom iskustvu,
ukorenjeno je u mom iskustvu,
14:57
my own journey.
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mom sopstvenom putovanju.
15:00
Through wide reading,
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Kroz mnogo čitanja,
15:02
reflecting,
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kroz razmišljanje,
15:04
contemplation, self-knowledge,
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duboko razmatranje, samosaznavanje,
15:06
I discovered,
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otkrio sam,
shvatio sam da je islamistički svet
nas i njih lažan i nepravedan.
nas i njih lažan i nepravedan.
15:07
I realized that Islamists' world
of us and them is false and unjust.
of us and them is false and unjust.
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15:16
Through considering the uncertainties
in all that we had asserted,
in all that we had asserted,
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Kroz razmatranje neizvesnosti
u svemu tome što smo tvrdili
u svemu tome što smo tvrdili
15:21
to the inviolable truths,
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da su neprikosnovene istine,
15:23
incontestable truths,
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neosporne istine,
15:26
I developed a more nuanced understanding.
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razvio sam prefinjenije razumevanje.
15:36
I realized that in a world crowded
with variation and contradiction,
with variation and contradiction,
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Shvatio sam da u svetu
prepunom odstupanja i protivrečnosti,
prepunom odstupanja i protivrečnosti,
15:41
foolish preachers,
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budalasti propovednici,
15:43
only foolish preachers
like I used to be,
like I used to be,
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samo budalasti propovednici
kakav sam i ja nekad bio,
kakav sam i ja nekad bio,
15:46
see no paradox in the myths and fictions
they use to assert authenticity.
they use to assert authenticity.
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ne vide paradoks u mitovima
i izmišljotinama koje koriste
i izmišljotinama koje koriste
da bi tvrdili autentičnost.
15:53
So I understood the vital
importance of self-knowledge,
importance of self-knowledge,
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Stoga sam razumeo
presudan značaj samosaznavanja,
presudan značaj samosaznavanja,
15:57
political awareness
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političke svesnosti
16:00
and the necessity
for a deep and wide understanding
for a deep and wide understanding
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i nužnosti za dubokim
i širokim razumevanjem
i širokim razumevanjem
16:04
of our commitments and our actions,
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naše posvećenosti i akcija,
16:07
how they affect others.
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načina na koji utiču na druge.
16:10
So my plea today to everyone,
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Moja današnja molba za sve,
16:12
especially those who sincerely
believe in Islamist jihadism ...
believe in Islamist jihadism ...
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naročito one koji iskreno veruju
u islamistički džihadizam -
u islamistički džihadizam -
16:18
refuse dogmatic authority;
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odbacite dogmatski autoritet;
16:22
let go of anger, hatred and violence;
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otpustite bes, mržnju i nasilje;
16:27
learn to right wrongs
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naučite da ispravite nepravde
16:28
without even attempting to justify
cruel, unjust and futile behavior.
cruel, unjust and futile behavior.
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bez ikakvog pokušaja da opravdate surovo,
nepravedno i uzaludno ponašanje.
nepravedno i uzaludno ponašanje.
16:36
Instead create a few
beautiful and useful things
beautiful and useful things
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Umesto toga, stvorite nekoliko lepih
i korisnih stvari koje će nas nadživeti.
i korisnih stvari koje će nas nadživeti.
16:40
that outlive us.
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16:45
Approach the world, life,
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Pristupite svetu i životu
16:47
with love.
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sa ljubavlju.
16:50
Learn to develop
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Naučite da razvijate
16:51
or cultivate your hearts
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ili negujete svoje srce
16:52
to see goodness, beauty and truth
in others and in the world.
in others and in the world.
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tako da vidi dobrotu, lepotu i istinu
u drugima i u svetu.
u drugima i u svetu.
16:57
That way we do matter
more to ourselves ...
more to ourselves ...
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Na taj način zaista pridajemo
više značaja sebi,
više značaja sebi,
17:01
to each other,
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jedni drugima,
17:03
to our communities
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svojim zajednicama,
17:04
and, for me, to God.
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i, što se mene tiče, bogu.
17:07
This is jihad --
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To je džihad,
17:08
my true jihad.
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moj pravi džihad.
17:10
Thank you.
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Hvala.
17:12
(Applause)
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ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Manwar Ali - Peace activistA former committed pioneer of violent jihad, Manwar Ali draws on his experience and deepening understanding of Islam to prevent radicalisation and extremism.
Why you should listen
Manwar Ali (also known as Abu Muntasir) is one of the few scholars in the UK who has been directly involved in jihad. For around fifteen years he radicalised, recruited, fundraised and fought in Afghanistan, Kashmir and Burma. Now he draws on this experience in his work with the UK's Home Office and Crown Prosecution Service.
Ali is a Muslim scholar who teaches Islam to restore balance, enhance human values and address issues of extremism through education, social projects, charitable events and open discussion. He works to foster peaceful coexistence through mutual understanding, good-neighborliness and caring engagement.
Ali founded the UK Muslim educational charity JIMAS and pioneered Zakat distribution in the UK. For more than 30 years he has had extensive experience in teaching Islam. He has helped make British Islam relevant and important to life now, preparing many students for life and leading the way in practicing civic engagement as an Imam.
Ali holds a B.Sc. (Hons) and M.Sc. in Computer Science, an MA in Islamic Studies and a Diploma in Arabic.
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