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Manwar Ali: Inside the mind of a former radical jihadist
马沃·阿里: 窥探前激进圣战士的内心
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“很长一段时间里，我或者就是为了死去”，马沃·阿里说。阿里是前激进圣战士，曾在1980年代中期参加中东和亚洲的暴力武装运动。在这个感人的演讲中，他通过自己的激进经历，强有力地呼吁那些认为暴力血腥是高尚美德的伊斯兰民众：放下愤怒和仇恨吧！他说，何不培养自己的心，去发现别人的真善美。
Manwar Ali - Peace activist
A former committed pioneer of violent jihad, Manwar Ali draws on his experience and deepening understanding of Islam to prevent radicalisation and extremism. Full bio
A former committed pioneer of violent jihad, Manwar Ali draws on his experience and deepening understanding of Islam to prevent radicalisation and extremism. Full bio
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00:12
Today I stand before you
as a man who lives life to the full
as a man who lives life to the full
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今天我站在你们面前，
此时此刻，我是一个全心全意享受生活的人。
00:16
in the here and now.
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But for a long time,
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但曾有很长一段时间，
我向死而生。
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I lived for death.
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I was a young man who believed
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我当时年轻，曾相信
应该用武力和暴力来理解圣战。
00:25
that jihad is to be understood
in the language of force and violence.
in the language of force and violence.
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I tried to right wrongs
through power and aggression.
through power and aggression.
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我尝试过用力量和侵略
来纠正别人的错误。
来纠正别人的错误。
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I had deep concerns
for the suffering of others
for the suffering of others
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我对他人的苦难深感忧虑，
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and a strong desire
to help and bring relief to them.
to help and bring relief to them.
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并有强烈的愿望想帮助他们解脱。
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I thought violent jihad was noble,
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我以为，武装圣战是高贵的、
侠义的行为，
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chivalrous
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是帮助他人最好的方式。
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and the best way to help.
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At a time when so many of our people --
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有一段时间，我们中的很多人——
尤其是年轻人——
00:59
young people especially --
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他们处于激进化的边缘，
01:00
are at risk of radicalization
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01:03
through groups like al-Qaeda,
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因为加入了基地、
伊斯兰国以及其他一些组织，
01:05
Islamic State and others,
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01:07
when these groups are claiming
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当时这些组织声称
他们那些恐怖的暴行是真正的圣战。
01:09
that their horrific brutality
and violence are true jihad,
and violence are true jihad,
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我只想说，他们的“圣战”的理解是错误的——
01:14
I want to say that their idea
of jihad is wrong --
of jihad is wrong --
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完全是错的——
01:18
completely wrong --
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尽管当时，我对它的理解也不正确。
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as was mine, then.
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01:23
Jihad means to strive to one's utmost.
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圣战意味着一个人要尽自己最大的努力，
这包括了体力上和精神上的努力，
01:26
It includes exertion and spirituality,
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包括了自我净化、
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self-purification
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以及奉献精神。
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and devotion.
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01:34
It refers to positive transformation
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它代表着通过学习、智慧
以及对真主的纪念，
以及对真主的纪念，
01:37
through learning, wisdom
and remembrance of God.
and remembrance of God.
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实现积极的转变。
"圣战"一词囊括了所有这些意义。
01:41
The word jihad stands
for all those meanings as a whole.
for all those meanings as a whole.
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01:46
Jihad may at times
take the form of fighting,
take the form of fighting,
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圣战有时的确会采取战斗的形式，
但那只是有时候，
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but only sometimes,
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圣战是在严格的条件下进行的，
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under strict conditions,
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有着规则和限制。
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within rules and limits.
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01:59
In Islam,
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在伊斯兰教中，
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the benefit of an act must outweigh
the harm or hardship it entails.
the harm or hardship it entails.
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某种行动带来的益处必须
超过它所带来的无可避免的伤害和痛苦。
超过它所带来的无可避免的伤害和痛苦。
02:07
More importantly,
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更重要的是，
与圣战或战斗有关的古兰经经文
02:09
the verses in the Koran
that are connected to jihad or fighting
that are connected to jihad or fighting
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并未抵消那些谈论宽恕、
02:13
do not cancel out the verses
that talk about forgiveness,
that talk about forgiveness,
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仁慈
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benevolence
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或耐心的经文。
02:20
or patience.
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02:25
But now I believe that there are
no circumstances on earth
no circumstances on earth
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但现在我相信，在这个世界上，
暴力的圣战在任何情况下
都是不可接受的，
都是不可接受的，
02:29
where violent jihad is permissible,
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因为它终将造成更大的伤害。
02:32
because it will lead to greater harm.
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02:37
But now the idea of jihad
has been hijacked.
has been hijacked.
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然而现在圣战的意义已经被绑架了，
每当穆斯林教徒遇到困难，
02:40
It has been perverted
to mean violent struggle
to mean violent struggle
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它便被曲解为暴力争斗，
02:43
wherever Muslims
are undergoing difficulties,
are undergoing difficulties,
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然后被法西斯伊斯兰教组织——
02:46
and turned into terrorism
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02:48
by fascistic Islamists like al-Qaeda,
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比如基地组织、伊斯兰国及其他组织
02:51
Islamic State and others.
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变成了恐怖主义。
但是现在我逐渐明白了，
02:54
But I have come to understand
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真正的圣战意味着尽自己最大的努力，
02:56
that true jihad
means striving to the utmost
means striving to the utmost
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去强化、去培养那些真主所认同的品质：
03:00
to strengthen and live
those qualities which God loves:
those qualities which God loves:
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诚实、守信、
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honesty, trustworthiness,
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同情、仁慈、
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compassion, benevolence,
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信赖、尊重、
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reliability, respect,
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真诚——
03:10
truthfulness --
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这些我们共同认可的人类价值观。
03:12
human values that so many of us share.
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03:18
I was born in Bangladesh,
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我出生在孟加拉国，
但大多在英格兰长大。
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but grew up mostly in England.
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我在这里上的学，
03:22
And I went to school here.
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我父亲是一个学者，
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My father was an academic,
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我们因为他的工作而生活在英国。
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and we were in the UK through his work.
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03:30
In 1971 we were in Bangladesh
when everything changed.
when everything changed.
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1971年我们在孟加拉时，一切都变了。
03:36
The War of Independence
impacted upon us terribly,
impacted upon us terribly,
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独立战争给我们带来巨大冲击，
致使家家对立，
03:39
pitting family against family,
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邻里反目。
03:41
neighbor against neighbor.
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03:43
And at the age of 12 I experienced war,
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我在12岁时就经历了战争，
那时家里一贫如洗、
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destitution in my family,
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22位亲人惨死，
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the deaths of 22
of my relatives in horrible ways,
of my relatives in horrible ways,
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而我的哥哥也遭遇谋杀。
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as well as the murder of my elder brother.
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I witnessed killing ...
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我目睹了这些杀戮——
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animals feeding on corpses in the streets,
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动物在大街上啃食尸体，
我周围笼罩着饥饿，
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starvation all around me,
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肆意的、可怕的暴力——
04:07
wanton, horrific violence --
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也是毫无意义的暴力。
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senseless violence.
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04:14
I was a young man,
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我那是还年轻，
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teenager, fascinated by ideas.
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对各种思想着迷的少年。
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I wanted to learn,
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我想学习，
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but I could not go to school
for four years.
for four years.
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但我却无法上学，整整4年。
04:24
After the War of Independence,
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独立战争之后，
我父亲在监狱关了2年半，
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my father was put in prison
for two and a half years,
for two and a half years,
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04:29
and I used to visit him
every week in prison,
every week in prison,
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我每周都去监狱探望他，
04:33
and homeschooled myself.
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同时我在家自学。
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My father was released in 1973
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1973年我父亲被释放，
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and he fled to England as a refugee,
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之后他作为难民逃到了英格兰，
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and we soon followed him.
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我们不久后也跟他去了英格兰。
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I was 17.
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那时，我17岁。
所以说，这所有的经历
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So these experiences gave me
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让我深刻理解了这世上的暴力和不公。
04:48
a sharp awareness of the atrocities
and injustices in the world.
and injustices in the world.
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04:54
And I had a strong desire --
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而我强烈地希望——
04:56
a very keen, deep desire --
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十分强烈的、深刻的希望——
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to right wrongs
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能够纠正这些错误，
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and help the victims of oppression.
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能够帮助这些被压迫的受害者。
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While studying at college in the UK,
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在英国上大学时，
我遇到了一些人，
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I met others who showed me
how I could channel that desire
how I could channel that desire
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他们告诉我该如何实现这些愿望
并通过我的信仰来帮忙。
并通过我的信仰来帮忙。
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and help through my religion.
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05:13
And I was radicalized --
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所以我被激进化了——
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enough to consider violence correct,
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激进到足以认为
某些情况下暴力是正确的甚至是美德。
05:19
even a virtue under certain circumstances.
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05:24
So I became involved
in the jihad in Afghanistan.
in the jihad in Afghanistan.
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所以我参加了阿富汗的圣战。
我想保护阿富汗的穆斯林，
反抗苏联军队。
反抗苏联军队。
05:27
I wanted to protect the Muslim Afghan
population against the Soviet army.
population against the Soviet army.
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我以为那就是圣战：
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And I thought that was jihad:
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我的天职，
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my sacred duty,
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而这将得到真主的赞扬。
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which would be rewarded by God.
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05:43
I became a preacher.
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我成了传教者。
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I was one of the pioneers
of violent jihad in the UK.
of violent jihad in the UK.
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我是英国暴力圣战的前锋之一。
我招募、
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I recruited,
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我募集资金、我组织训练。
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I raised funds, I trained.
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I confused true jihad
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我将真正的圣战
与法西斯伊斯兰所提出的
歪曲的理念混为一谈。
歪曲的理念混为一谈。
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with this perversion
as presented by the fascist Islamists --
as presented by the fascist Islamists --
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these people who use the idea of jihad
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这些人假借圣战之名
将他们一统天下的欲望合法化：
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to justify their lust for power,
authority and control on earth:
authority and control on earth:
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a perversion perpetuated today
by fascist Islamist groups
by fascist Islamist groups
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今天的法西斯伊斯兰组织
如基地组织、伊斯兰国等
如基地组织、伊斯兰国等
仍在坚持这种曲解。
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like al-Qaeda, Islamic State and others.
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06:22
For a period of around 15 years,
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在约15年的时间里，
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I fought for short periods of time
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除了阿富汗，
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in Kashmir and Burma,
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我还在克什米尔和缅甸
短时间参战。
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besides Afghanistan.
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Our aim was to remove the invaders,
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我们的目标是驱逐侵略者，
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to bring relief to the oppressed victims
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为遭受压迫的人们带来自由，
06:44
and of course to establish
an Islamic state,
an Islamic state,
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当然也要建立一个伊斯兰国家，
一个由真主统治的哈里发国。
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a caliphate for God's rule.
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06:50
And I did this openly.
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我这么做是公开的。
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I didn't break any laws.
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我没有违反任何法律。
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I was proud and grateful to be British --
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身为英国人，我很自豪并充满感激——
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I still am.
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现在也是。
07:01
And I bore no hostility
against this, my country,
against this, my country,
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我对这个国家、自己的国家没有敌意，
对非穆斯林公民也没有敌意，
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nor enmity towards
the non-Muslim citizens,
the non-Muslim citizens,
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现在依然没有。
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and I still don't.
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07:13
During one battle in Afghanistan,
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在阿富汗一场战役中，
几个英国男人和我
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some British men and I
formed a special bond
formed a special bond
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与一名15岁的阿富汗男孩
建立了特别的感情。
建立了特别的感情。
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with a 15-year-old Afghani boy,
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男孩叫阿卜杜拉，
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Abdullah,
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一个纯真、充满爱的好孩子，
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an innocent, loving and lovable kid
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他总是渴望逗别人开心。
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who was always eager to please.
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07:30
He was poor.
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他很穷。
07:32
And boys like him
did menial tasks in the camp.
did menial tasks in the camp.
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像他这样的男孩在营区
做一些零碎工作。
做一些零碎工作。
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And he seemed happy enough,
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他看上去很开心，
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but I couldn't help wonder --
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但我忍不住想，
他的父母一定很想念他。
07:39
his parents must have missed him dearly.
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07:43
And they must have dreamt
about a better future for him.
about a better future for him.
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他们肯定也曾为他
梦想过更好的未来。
梦想过更好的未来。
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A victim of circumstance
caught up in a war,
caught up in a war,
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他是困在战争中的环境牺牲品，
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cruelly thrust upon him
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时局的残酷
无情地强加给他。
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by the cruel circumstances of the time.
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08:00
One day I picked up this unexploded
mortar shell in a trench,
mortar shell in a trench,
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有一天，我在壕沟里捡回
一个未爆炸的迫击炮弹，
一个未爆炸的迫击炮弹，
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and I had it deposited
in a makeshift mud hut lab.
in a makeshift mud hut lab.
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把它放在一个临时的
土屋实验室里。
土屋实验室里。
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And I went out on a short,
pointless skirmish --
pointless skirmish --
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然后出去打了一场短暂的、
无意义的战斗——
无意义的战斗——
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always pointless,
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那些一直都是没意义的——
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And I came back a few hours later
to discover he was dead.
to discover he was dead.
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几个小时后我回来发现他已经死了。
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He had tried to recover
explosives from that shell.
explosives from that shell.
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他想要从那个弹壳中取出炸药。
爆炸了，他死得很惨，
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It exploded, and he died a violent death,
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08:27
blown to bits by the very same device
that had proved harmless to me.
that had proved harmless to me.
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被那个我认为无害的弹壳炸成碎片。
08:33
So I started to question.
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所以我开始质疑。
08:36
How did his death serve any purpose?
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他的死有什么意义吗？
08:42
Why did he die and I lived?
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为什么他死了而我还活着？
08:45
I carried on.
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我的日子继续。
我去克什米尔参战。
08:47
I fought in Kashmir.
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还为菲律宾、波斯尼亚和车臣
08:48
I also recruited for the Philippines,
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进行招募。
08:51
Bosnia and Chechnya.
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疑惑也随之增长。
08:54
And the questions grew.
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08:57
Later in Burma,
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后来在缅甸，
我遇到了罗奇亚战士，
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I came across Rohingya fighters,
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他们几乎都是青少年，
09:02
who were barely teenagers,
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在丛林中出生、长大，
09:04
born and brought up in the jungle,
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抗着机关枪和手榴弹发射器。
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carrying machine guns
and grenade launchers.
and grenade launchers.
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09:12
I met two 13-year-olds
with soft manners and gentle voices.
with soft manners and gentle voices.
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我遇到了两个13岁的男孩，
他们很有礼貌，声音柔和。
他们很有礼貌，声音柔和。
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Looking at me,
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他们看着我，
求我带他们去英国。
09:20
they begged me
to take them away to England.
to take them away to England.
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09:28
They simply wanted to go to school --
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他们仅仅是想上学——
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that was their dream.
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上学就是他们的梦想。
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My family --
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我的家人——
跟他们年龄相仿的孩子们——
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my children of the same age --
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住在英国的家中，
09:39
were living at home in the UK,
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09:42
going to school,
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每天去学校，
过着安全的生活。
09:43
living a safe life.
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09:45
And I couldn't help wonder
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我不禁想知道，
这些年轻男孩对于这样的梦想生活，
09:47
how much these young boys
must have spoken to one another
must have spoken to one another
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09:50
about their dreams for such a life.
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互相交谈过多少次。
09:54
Victims of circumstances:
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时局的受害者：
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these two young boys,
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这两个年轻的男孩，
露宿在地上，仰望繁星，
10:00
sleeping rough on the ground,
looking up at the stars,
looking up at the stars,
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被他们的领导人疯狂地剥削，
10:03
cynically exploited by their leaders
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只为满足领导人
对荣耀和权力的欲望。
对荣耀和权力的欲望。
10:05
for their personal lust
for glory and power.
for glory and power.
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10:09
I soon witnessed boys like them
killing one another
killing one another
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我很快见到像他们这样的男孩
在敌对团伙之间的冲突中相互杀害。
10:13
in conflicts between rival groups.
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10:17
And it was the same everywhere ...
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而且到处都是一样的——
10:21
Afghanistan, Kashmir, Burma,
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阿富汗、克什米尔、缅甸、
菲律宾、车臣;
10:23
Philippines, Chechnya;
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10:26
petty warlords got the young
and vulnerable to kill one another
and vulnerable to kill one another
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小军阀让年轻人和弱势者
以圣战的名义互相残杀。
10:30
in the name of jihad.
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10:34
Muslims against Muslims.
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穆斯林与穆斯林为敌。
10:37
Not protecting anyone
against invaders or occupiers;
against invaders or occupiers;
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没有保护任何人抵抗侵略者或占领者；
也没有为受压迫的人带来自由。
10:42
not bringing relief to the oppressed.
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10:46
Children being used,
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孩子们被利用，
肆无忌惮地剥削；
10:47
cynically exploited;
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人们在冲突中死去，
10:49
people dying in conflicts
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而这些正是我以圣战之名所拥护的冲突。
10:51
which I was supporting
in the name of jihad.
in the name of jihad.
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10:56
And it still carries on today.
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而今天这些情况仍在继续。
11:03
Realizing that the violent jihad
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我意识到自己在国外
参加的暴力圣战
11:07
I had engaged in abroad
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11:13
was so different --
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是完全不同的。
11:17
such a chasm between
what I had experienced
what I had experienced
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我的亲身经历与我以为的神圣职责之间
11:22
and what I thought was sacred duty --
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有着巨大的鸿沟。
11:24
I had to reflect
on my activities here in the UK.
on my activities here in the UK.
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我必须反思我在英国的行为。
11:30
I had to consider my preaching,
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我不得不反思我的传教、
招募、筹款、
11:32
recruiting, fund-raising,
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组织训练、
11:33
training,
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但最重要的是激进化——
11:35
but most importantly, radicalizing --
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11:38
sending young people to fight and die
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把年轻人送去战死，
这些我所做的一切——
11:40
as I was doing --
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11:42
all totally wrong.
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都彻头彻尾地错了。
11:47
So I got involved
in violent jihad in the mid '80s,
in violent jihad in the mid '80s,
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我在80年代中期参加暴力圣战，
始于阿富汗，
11:51
starting with Afghanistan.
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直到2000年结束。
11:54
And by the time I finished
it was in the year 2000.
it was in the year 2000.
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11:59
I was completely immersed in it.
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我完全沉浸在圣战里。
我周围的人都支持我、
12:00
All around me people supported,
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赞同我、
12:02
applauded,
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甚至用他们的名字庆祝我们所做所为。
12:03
even celebrated what
we were doing in their name.
we were doing in their name.
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12:08
But by the time I learned to get out,
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但当我觉醒时，
在2000年彻底醒悟时，
12:10
completely disillusioned in the year 2000,
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已经过去了15年。
12:12
15 years had passed.
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12:17
So what goes wrong?
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出了什么问题？
12:20
We were so busy talking about virtue,
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我们忙于谈论美德，
12:25
and we were blinded by a cause.
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我们被一个理由蒙蔽了。
12:32
And we did not give ourselves a chance
to develop a virtuous character.
to develop a virtuous character.
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我们没有给自己发展优良品质的机会。
12:37
We told ourselves
we were fighting for the oppressed,
we were fighting for the oppressed,
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我们告诉自己，
我们在为被压迫者而战，
我们在为被压迫者而战，
而这些战争没有赢家。
12:41
but these were unwinnable wars.
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12:45
We became the very instrument
through which more deaths occurred,
through which more deaths occurred,
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我们变成了制造更多死亡的机器
同时为残暴的少数人的自私利益
12:49
complicit in causing further misery
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造成更多悲剧。
12:53
for the selfish benefit of the cruel few.
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13:04
So over time,
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所以随着时间的推移，
13:05
a very long time,
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很长一段时间之后，
13:08
I opened my eyes.
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我睁开眼睛。
13:11
I began to dare
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我开始敢于
面对真相，
13:15
to face the truth,
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进行思考，
13:16
to think,
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13:19
to face the hard questions.
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以及面对尖锐的问题。
我触摸到了自己的灵魂。
13:21
I got in touch with my soul.
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13:34
What have I learned?
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我学到了什么？
那些参加暴力圣战的人，
13:36
That people who engage
in violent jihadism,
in violent jihadism,
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13:42
that people who are drawn
to these types of extremisms,
to these types of extremisms,
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那些陷入极端主义的人，
与其他人没有太多不同。
13:46
are not that different to everyone else.
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我相信这样的人可以改变。
13:49
But I believe such people can change.
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用可疗伤治愈的人性价值观
13:54
They can regain their hearts
and restore them
and restore them
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让他们重获初心，修复伤口。
13:57
by filling them
with human values that heal.
with human values that heal.
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14:07
When we ignore the realities,
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当我们忽略现实情况时，
我们发现自己被动接受了思想却
没有批判性的反思。
没有批判性的反思。
14:09
we discover that we accept what
we are told without critical reflection.
we are told without critical reflection.
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14:17
And we ignore the gifts and advantages
that many of us would cherish
that many of us would cherish
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而且我们还会忽视许多人
所珍惜的天分和优势，
所珍惜的天分和优势，
即使只在它生命中一闪而过。
14:21
even for a single moment in their lives.
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14:28
I engaged in actions
I thought were correct.
I thought were correct.
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我做了我以为是正确的事。
14:33
But now I began to question
how I knew what I knew.
how I knew what I knew.
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但是现在我开始怀疑
我是怎么知道那些我所意识到的。
我是怎么知道那些我所意识到的。
14:39
I endlessly told others
to accept the truth,
to accept the truth,
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我无休止地告诉别人接受真相，
但我却没有为质疑提供合理的地位。
14:43
but I failed to give doubt
its rightful place.
its rightful place.
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14:52
This conviction that people can change
is rooted in my experience,
is rooted in my experience,
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人们可以改变的这种信念
植根于我的经验，
植根于我的经验，
我的旅程。
14:57
my own journey.
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15:00
Through wide reading,
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通过广泛的阅读、
反省、
15:02
reflecting,
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思考、自我认知，
15:04
contemplation, self-knowledge,
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我发现，我意识到
15:06
I discovered,
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15:07
I realized that Islamists' world
of us and them is false and unjust.
of us and them is false and unjust.
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我们和他们的伊斯兰世界
是错误的、不公正的。
是错误的、不公正的。
15:16
Through considering the uncertainties
in all that we had asserted,
in all that we had asserted,
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通过将我们所有主张中的不确定性
都看作不可改变的事实、
15:21
to the inviolable truths,
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毋庸置疑的事实，
15:23
incontestable truths,
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15:26
I developed a more nuanced understanding.
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我产生了更细微的理解。
15:36
I realized that in a world crowded
with variation and contradiction,
with variation and contradiction,
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我发现在这充满变化和矛盾的世界里，
愚昧的传教者，
15:41
foolish preachers,
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只有像过去的我这种
愚昧的传教者，
愚昧的传教者，
15:43
only foolish preachers
like I used to be,
like I used to be,
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才会看不出他们用来主张真理
的虚构和谎言中充满自相矛盾。
的虚构和谎言中充满自相矛盾。
15:46
see no paradox in the myths and fictions
they use to assert authenticity.
they use to assert authenticity.
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15:53
So I understood the vital
importance of self-knowledge,
importance of self-knowledge,
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所以我明白了自我认知、
政治意识是何等重要，
15:57
political awareness
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对自己的义务和行动、
及其对别人的影响
及其对别人的影响
16:00
and the necessity
for a deep and wide understanding
for a deep and wide understanding
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进行深刻而广泛的了解
16:04
of our commitments and our actions,
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的必要性。
16:07
how they affect others.
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16:10
So my plea today to everyone,
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所以我今天恳请每个人，
特别是那些真诚相信伊斯兰圣战的人，
16:12
especially those who sincerely
believe in Islamist jihadism ...
believe in Islamist jihadism ...
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16:18
refuse dogmatic authority;
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拒绝专断的权威；
16:22
let go of anger, hatred and violence;
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放下愤怒、仇恨和暴戾;
学习改正错误，
16:27
learn to right wrongs
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根本不要尝试为残酷、不公
和徒劳的行为辩解。
和徒劳的行为辩解。
16:28
without even attempting to justify
cruel, unjust and futile behavior.
cruel, unjust and futile behavior.
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16:36
Instead create a few
beautiful and useful things
beautiful and useful things
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去创造一些比我们更持久的
美丽和实用的东西吧。
16:40
that outlive us.
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16:45
Approach the world, life,
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用爱
拥抱世界、生活。
16:47
with love.
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16:50
Learn to develop
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学习发展
16:51
or cultivate your hearts
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或培养你的心灵，
16:52
to see goodness, beauty and truth
in others and in the world.
in others and in the world.
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看到别人和世界的真善美。
16:57
That way we do matter
more to ourselves ...
more to ourselves ...
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这样，我们对自己、
对彼此、
17:01
to each other,
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对我们的社会、
17:03
to our communities
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对我来说也是对真主
这才是更重要的。
这才是更重要的。
17:04
and, for me, to God.
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这才是圣战——
17:07
This is jihad --
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我真正的圣战。
17:08
my true jihad.
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17:10
Thank you.
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谢谢。
17:12
(Applause)
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ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Manwar Ali - Peace activistA former committed pioneer of violent jihad, Manwar Ali draws on his experience and deepening understanding of Islam to prevent radicalisation and extremism.
Why you should listen
Manwar Ali (also known as Abu Muntasir) is one of the few scholars in the UK who has been directly involved in jihad. For around fifteen years he radicalised, recruited, fundraised and fought in Afghanistan, Kashmir and Burma. Now he draws on this experience in his work with the UK's Home Office and Crown Prosecution Service.
Ali is a Muslim scholar who teaches Islam to restore balance, enhance human values and address issues of extremism through education, social projects, charitable events and open discussion. He works to foster peaceful coexistence through mutual understanding, good-neighborliness and caring engagement.
Ali founded the UK Muslim educational charity JIMAS and pioneered Zakat distribution in the UK. For more than 30 years he has had extensive experience in teaching Islam. He has helped make British Islam relevant and important to life now, preparing many students for life and leading the way in practicing civic engagement as an Imam.
Ali holds a B.Sc. (Hons) and M.Sc. in Computer Science, an MA in Islamic Studies and a Diploma in Arabic.
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