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David Whyte: A lyrical bridge between past, present and future
Dejvid Vajt (David Whyte): Lirski most između prošlosti, sadašnjosti i budućnosti
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Njemu svojstvenim šarmom i pronicljivim preispitivanjem, Dejvid Vajt meditira na granicama prošlosti, sadašnjosti i budućnosti, deleći sa nama dve pesme inspirisane izletom njegove nećake duž El Kamina de Santijago de Kompostela u Španiji.
David Whyte - Poet, author
David Whyte writes at the intersection of interior and exterior worlds, what he calls the conversational nature of reality, bringing new territory into view with his distinctly personal style. Full bio
David Whyte writes at the intersection of interior and exterior worlds, what he calls the conversational nature of reality, bringing new territory into view with his distinctly personal style. Full bio
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The youthful perspective on the future,
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Mladalački pogled na budućnost,
00:17
the present perspective on the future
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sadašnji pogled na budućnost
00:19
and the future, mature
perspective on the future --
perspective on the future --
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i budući, zreli pogled na budućnost -
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I'd like to try and bring
all those three tenses together
all those three tenses together
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želeo bih večeras da pokušam
da spojim sva tri vremena
da spojim sva tri vremena
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in one identity tonight.
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u jedan identitet.
00:31
And you could say
that the poet, in many ways,
that the poet, in many ways,
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A moglo bi se reći
da pesnik, na razne načine,
da pesnik, na razne načine,
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looks at what I call
"the conversational nature of reality."
"the conversational nature of reality."
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posmatra nešto što nazivam
"konverzacijskom prirodom stvarnosti".
"konverzacijskom prirodom stvarnosti".
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And you ask yourself:
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A vi se pitate:
00:40
What is the conversational
nature of reality?
nature of reality?
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šta je konverzacijska priroda stvarnosti?
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The conversational nature
of reality is the fact
of reality is the fact
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Konverzacijska priroda
stvarnosti je činjenica
stvarnosti je činjenica
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that whatever you desire of the world --
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da šta god želeli od sveta -
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whatever you desire of your partner
in a marriage or a love relationship,
in a marriage or a love relationship,
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šta god želeli od vašeg partnera,
u braku ili ljubavnoj vezi,
u braku ili ljubavnoj vezi,
00:54
whatever you desire of your children,
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šta god želeli od vaše dece,
00:56
whatever you desire of the people
who work for you or with you,
who work for you or with you,
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šta god želeli od ljudi
koji rade za vas ili s vama,
koji rade za vas ili s vama,
00:59
or your world --
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ili od vašeg sveta -
01:01
will not happen exactly
as you would like it to happen.
as you would like it to happen.
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neće se desiti tačno onako
kako biste vi želeli da se desi.
kako biste vi želeli da se desi.
01:06
But equally,
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Ali jednako,
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whatever the world desires of us --
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šta god svet želeo od vas -
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whatever our partner,
our child, our colleague,
our child, our colleague,
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šta god naš partner,
naše dete, naš kolega,
naše dete, naš kolega,
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our industry,
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naša industrija,
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our future demands of us,
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naša budućnost budu zahtevali od nas,
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will also not happen.
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takođe se neće desiti.
01:20
And what actually happens
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A ono što se stvarno dešava
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is this frontier
between what you think is you
between what you think is you
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je ova granica između onoga
što vi smatrate sobom
što vi smatrate sobom
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and what you think is not you.
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i onoga što smatrate da niste vi.
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And this frontier of actual meeting
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A ova granica stvarnog susreta
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between what we call a self
and what we call the world
and what we call the world
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između onoga što nazivamo sobom
i onoga što nazivamo svetom
i onoga što nazivamo svetom
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is the only place, actually,
where things are real.
where things are real.
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je zapravo jedino mesto
na kom je sve stvarno.
na kom je sve stvarno.
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But it's quite astonishing,
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Ali prilično je zadivljujuće
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how little time we spend
at this conversational frontier,
at this conversational frontier,
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koliko malo vremena provodimo
na ovoj konverzacijskoj granici,
na ovoj konverzacijskoj granici,
01:43
and not abstracted away from it
in one strategy or another.
in one strategy or another.
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a nismo odvojeni od nje
jednom ili drugom strategijom.
jednom ili drugom strategijom.
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I was coming through immigration,
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Prolazio sam kroz imigraciono odeljenje,
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which is quite a dramatic
border at the moment,
border at the moment,
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a to je trenutno
prilično dramatična granica,
prilično dramatična granica,
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into the US last year,
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u SAD-u prošle godine
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and, you know, you get off
an international flight
an international flight
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i, znate, siđete sa međunarodnog leta
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across the Atlantic,
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preko Atlantika
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and you're not in the best place;
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i niste u najboljem stanju;
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you're not at your most
spiritually mature.
spiritually mature.
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niste najzreliji duhom.
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You're quite impatient
with the rest of humanity, in fact.
with the rest of humanity, in fact.
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Prilično ste nestrpljivi
prema ostatku čovečanstva, zapravo.
prema ostatku čovečanstva, zapravo.
02:12
So when you get up to immigration
with your shirt collar out
with your shirt collar out
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Pa kad dođete do imigracionog
sa podignutom kragnom od košulje
sa podignutom kragnom od košulje
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and a day's growth of beard,
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i bradom starom jedan dan
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and you have very little patience,
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i imate veoma malo strpljenja,
02:21
and the immigration officer
looked at my passport
looked at my passport
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a imigracioni službenik
mi je pogledao pasoš
mi je pogledao pasoš
02:24
and said, "What do you do, Mr. Whyte?"
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i upitao: "Čime se bavite, g. Vajt?"
02:26
I said, "I work with the conversational
nature of reality."
nature of reality."
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Rekao sam: "Radim sa konverzacijskom
prirodom stvarnosti."
prirodom stvarnosti."
02:31
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
02:36
And he leaned forward over his podium
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A on se nagnuo preko pulta
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and he said, "I needed you last night."
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i rekao: "Bili ste mi potrebni sinoć."
02:42
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
02:44
(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
02:48
And I said, "I'm sorry,
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A rekao sam: "Žao mi je,
02:49
my powers as a poet
and philosopher only go so far.
and philosopher only go so far.
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moje pesničke i filozofske moći
su tek tolike.
su tek tolike.
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I'm not sure I can --"
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Nisam siguran da mogu -"
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But before we knew it,
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No, očas posla
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we were into a conversation
about his marriage.
about his marriage.
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smo raspravljali o njegovom braku.
02:58
Here he was in his uniform,
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Stajao je tu u uniformi,
03:00
and the interesting thing was,
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a interesantno je to
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he was looking up and down
the row of officers
the row of officers
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što je gledao u red policajaca
uzduž i popreko
uzduž i popreko
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to make sure his supervisor didn't see
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kako bi se postarao
da njegovi nadređeni ne primete
da njegovi nadređeni ne primete
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that we was having a real conversation.
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da vodi pravi razgovor.
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But all of us live
at this conversational frontier
at this conversational frontier
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Ali svi mi živimo
na ovoj konverzacijskoj granici
na ovoj konverzacijskoj granici
03:14
with the future.
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sa budućnošću.
03:16
I'd like to put you in the shoes
of my Irish niece,
of my Irish niece,
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Želeo bih da vas stavim na mesto
moje nećake iz Irske,
moje nećake iz Irske,
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Marlene McCormack,
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Marlin Mekormak,
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standing on a cliff edge
on the western coast of Spain,
on the western coast of Spain,
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dok stoji na ivici stene
na zapadnoj obali Španije,
na zapadnoj obali Španije,
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overlooking the broad Atlantic.
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posmatrajući široki Atlantik.
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Twenty-three years old,
she's just walked 500 miles
she's just walked 500 miles
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Dvadeset tri su joj godine,
upravo je prešla 800 kilometara
upravo je prešla 800 kilometara
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from Saint Jean Pied de Port
on the French side of the Pyrenees,
on the French side of the Pyrenees,
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iz Sen-Žan-Pje-de-Pora,
sa francuske strane Pirineja,
sa francuske strane Pirineja,
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all the way across Northern Spain,
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skroz preko Severne Španije,
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on this very famous,
old and contemporary pilgrimage
old and contemporary pilgrimage
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na tom veoma čuvenom,
starom i savremenom hodočašću,
starom i savremenom hodočašću,
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called the Camino de Santiago
de Compostela --
de Compostela --
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koje se naziva Kamino
de Santijago de Kompostela -
de Santijago de Kompostela -
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the Path to Santiago of Compostela.
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Put za Santijago de Kompostelu.
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And when you get to Santiago, actually,
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A kada zapravo stignete u Santijago,
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it can be something of an anticlimax,
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može da deluje antiklimaktično
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because there are 100,000
people living there
people living there
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jer tamo živi 100.000 ljudi
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who are not necessarily applauding you
as you're coming into town.
as you're coming into town.
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koji vam baš i ne aplaudiraju
dok ulazite u grad.
dok ulazite u grad.
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(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
03:59
And 10,000 of them are trying to sell you
a memento of your journey.
a memento of your journey.
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A 10.000 njih pokušava da vam proda
uspomenu na vaše putovanje.
uspomenu na vaše putovanje.
04:04
But you do have the possibility
of going on for three more days
of going on for three more days
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Ali imate mogućnost da još tri dana hodate
04:10
to this place where Marlene stood,
called, in Spanish, Finisterre,
called, in Spanish, Finisterre,
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do tog mesta na kom je Marlin stajala,
koje se na španskom zove Finisterre,
koje se na španskom zove Finisterre,
04:16
in English, Finisterre,
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u prevodu, Finistere,
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from the Latin,
meaning "the ends of the earth,"
meaning "the ends of the earth,"
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što na latinskom znači "kraj zemlje",
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the place where ground turns to ocean;
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mesto gde se zemlja pretvara u okean;
04:25
the place where your present
turns into the future.
turns into the future.
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mesto gde se vaša sadašnjost
pretvara u budućnost.
pretvara u budućnost.
04:30
And Marlene had walked this way --
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A Marlin je prešla ovaj put -
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she just graduated as a 23-year-old
from the University of Sligo
from the University of Sligo
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upravo je sa 23 godine diplomirala
na Univerzitetu Slajgo
na Univerzitetu Slajgo
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with a degree in Irish drama.
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na odseku za irsku dramu.
04:38
And she said to me, "I don't think
the major corporations of the world
the major corporations of the world
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I rekla mi je: "Mislim
da mi velike svetske korporacije
da mi velike svetske korporacije
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will be knocking on my door."
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neće kucati na vrata."
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I said, "Listen, I've worked
in corporations all over the world
in corporations all over the world
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Rekao sam: "Slušaj, radio sam
u korporacijama širom sveta
u korporacijama širom sveta
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for decades;
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decenijama;
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a degree in drama is what would most
prepare you for the adult --
prepare you for the adult --
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diploma iz dramaturgije je nešto
što te najbolje priprema za korporativni -
što te najbolje priprema za korporativni -
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(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
04:52
corporate world."
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svet odraslih."
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(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
04:55
But she said, "I'm not
interested in that, anyway.
interested in that, anyway.
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No, rekla je: "To me ionako ne zanima.
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I don't want to teach drama,
I want to become a dramatist.
I want to become a dramatist.
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Ne želim da predajem dramu,
želim da postanem dramaturškinja.
želim da postanem dramaturškinja.
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I want to write plays.
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Želim da pišem drame.
05:04
So I walked the Camino
in order to give myself some courage,
in order to give myself some courage,
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Pa sam hodala do Kamina
kako bih sebi dala podstreka,
kako bih sebi dala podstreka,
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in order to walk into my future."
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kako bih ušetala u budućnost."
05:10
And I said, "What was the most powerful
moment you had on the whole Camino,
moment you had on the whole Camino,
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A upitao sam: "Koji je najsnažniji
trenutak koji si imala na čitavom putu,
trenutak koji si imala na čitavom putu,
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the very most powerful moment?"
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naj-najsnažniji trenutak?"
Rekla je: "Imala sam brojne
snažne trenutke,
snažne trenutke,
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She said, "I had many powerful moments,
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05:18
but you know, the most powerful
moment was post-Camino,
moment was post-Camino,
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ali, znaš, najsnažniji trenutak
se desio nakon Puta,
se desio nakon Puta,
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was the three days you go on from Santiago
and come to this cliff edge.
and come to this cliff edge.
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to je trodnevni hod od Santijaga
do ove ivice stene.
do ove ivice stene.
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And you go through three rituals.
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I prolaziš kroz tri obreda.
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The first ritual is to eat
a tapas plate of scallops" --
a tapas plate of scallops" --
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Prvi obred je da se pojede
tanjir tapasa od školjki" -
tanjir tapasa od školjki" -
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or if you're vegetarian,
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ili ako ste vegetarijanac
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to contemplate the scallop shell.
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da posmatrate ljusku školjke.
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(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
05:38
Because the scallop shell has been
the icon and badge of your walk,
the icon and badge of your walk,
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Zato što je ljuska školjke
simbol i značka vašeg hoda,
simbol i značka vašeg hoda,
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and every arrow
that you have seen along that way
that you have seen along that way
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i svaka strelica koju ste usput videli
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has been pointing underneath
a scallop shell.
a scallop shell.
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pokazivala je smer ispod ljuske školjke.
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So really, this first ritual is saying:
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Pa je uistinu prvi ritual pitao:
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How did you get to this place?
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kako ste stigli do ovog mesta?
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How did you follow the path to get here?
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Kako ste pratili stazu da biste stigli tu?
05:56
How do you hold the conversation of life
when you feel unbesieged,
when you feel unbesieged,
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Kako održavate životni razgovor
kada ste neopkoljeni,
kada ste neopkoljeni,
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when you're unbullied,
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kada ste nezastrašeni,
06:03
when you're left to yourself?
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kada ste prepušteni sebi?
06:04
How do you hold the conversation of life
that brings you to this place?
that brings you to this place?
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Kako vodite životni razgovor
koji vas dovodi do ovog mesta?
koji vas dovodi do ovog mesta?
06:10
And the second ritual is that you burn
something that you've brought.
something that you've brought.
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A drugi obred je da spalite
nešto što ste doneli.
nešto što ste doneli.
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I said, "What did you burn, Marlene?"
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Upitao sam: "Šta si spalila, Marlin?"
06:17
She said, "I burned a letter
and two postcards."
and two postcards."
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Rekla je: "Spalila sam pismo
i dve razglednice."
i dve razglednice."
06:20
I said, "Astonishing.
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Rekao sam: "Izvanredno.
06:21
Twenty-three years old and you have paper.
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Imaš 23 godine i koristiš papir.
06:23
I can't believe it."
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Ne mogu da verujem."
06:25
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
Siguran sam
da ima aplikacija Kamino,
da ima aplikacija Kamino,
06:26
I'm sure there's a Camino app
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06:28
where you can just delete
a traumatic text, you know?
a traumatic text, you know?
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gde prosto možete da izbrišete
traumatičnu poruku, znate?
traumatičnu poruku, znate?
06:32
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
06:34
It will engage the flashlight,
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Pokrenuće svetleću baklju,
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imbue it with color
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prožeće je bojom
06:37
and disappear in a firework of flames.
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i nestati u vatrometu plamenova.
06:42
But you either bring a letter
or you write one there,
or you write one there,
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Međutim, donesete pismo
ili ga napišete tamo
ili ga napišete tamo
06:45
and you burn it.
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i spalite ga.
06:46
And of course we know intuitively
what is on those letters and postcards.
what is on those letters and postcards.
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I, naravno, intuitivno znamo
šta je u tim pismima i razglednicama.
šta je u tim pismima i razglednicama.
06:50
It's a form of affection and love
that is now no longer extant, yeah?
that is now no longer extant, yeah?
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Radi se o vidu naklonosti i ljubavi
koji je sad već nepostojeći, da?
koji je sad već nepostojeći, da?
06:58
And then the third ritual:
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A potom treći obred:
07:01
between all these fires
are large piles of clothes.
are large piles of clothes.
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između svih tih vatri
su ogromne hrpe odeće.
su ogromne hrpe odeće.
07:06
And you leave an item of clothing
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I ostavite deo odeće
07:08
that has helped you to get to this place.
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koji vam je pomogao da stignete do tu.
07:12
And I said to Marlene,
"What did you leave at the cliff edge?"
"What did you leave at the cliff edge?"
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Upitao sam Marlin:
"Šta si ostavila na ivici stene?"
"Šta si ostavila na ivici stene?"
Rekla je: "Ostavila sam čizme -
07:15
She said, "I left my boots --
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07:16
the very things
that I walked in, actually.
that I walked in, actually.
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baš ono u čemu sam hodala, zapravo.
07:18
They were beautiful boots,
I loved those boots,
I loved those boots,
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Bile su to lepe čizme,
volela sam te čizme,
volela sam te čizme,
07:21
but they were finished
after seven weeks of walking.
after seven weeks of walking.
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ali bile su potrošene
nakon sedam nedelja hodanja.
nakon sedam nedelja hodanja.
07:24
So I walked away in my trainers,
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Pa sam odšetala u patikama,
07:25
but I left my boots there."
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a čizme sam ostavila tamo."
07:27
She said, "It was really incredible.
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Rekla je: "Uistinu je bilo neverovatno.
07:29
The most powerful moment was,
the sun was going down,
the sun was going down,
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Najsnažniji trenutak je bio:
sunce je zalazilo,
sunce je zalazilo,
07:33
but the full moon was coming up behind me.
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ali je izlazio pun mesec iza mene.
07:37
And the full moon was illuminated
by the dying sun in such a powerful way
by the dying sun in such a powerful way
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Međutim, pun mesec je bio osvetljen
umirućim suncem toliko snažno
umirućim suncem toliko snažno
07:42
that even after the sun
had dropped below the horizon,
had dropped below the horizon,
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da čak i nakon što se sunce
spustilo ispod horizonta,
spustilo ispod horizonta,
07:45
the moon could still see that sun.
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mesec je i dalje mogao da vidi sunce.
07:49
And I had a moon shadow,
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A ja sam imala senku od mesečine,
07:52
and I was looking at my moon shadow
walking across the Atlantic,
walking across the Atlantic,
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i posmatrala sam moju senku od mesečine
kako šeta preko Atlantika,
kako šeta preko Atlantika,
07:57
across this ocean.
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preko okeana.
07:59
And I thought,
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I pomislila sam:
08:00
'Oh! That's my new self
going into the future.'
going into the future.'
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'Ah! To je novo ja
koje odlazi u budućnost.'
koje odlazi u budućnost.'
08:03
But suddenly I realized
the sun was falling further.
the sun was falling further.
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Međutim, naglo sam shvatila
da sunce i dalje ponire.
da sunce i dalje ponire.
08:09
The moon was losing its reflection,
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Mesec je gubio svoj odsjaj,
08:13
and my shadow was disappearing.
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a moja senka je nestajala.
08:15
The most powerful moment
I had on the whole Camino
I had on the whole Camino
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Najsnažniji trenutak
koji sam imala na čitavom Putu
koji sam imala na čitavom Putu
08:18
was when I realized I myself
had to walk across that unknown sea
had to walk across that unknown sea
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je kad sam shvatila da lično
moram da pređem nepoznato more
moram da pređem nepoznato more
08:24
into my future."
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do moje budućnosti."
08:27
Well, I was so taken by this story,
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Pa, ova priča me je toliko opčinila
08:29
I wrote this piece for her.
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da sam joj posvetio pesmu.
Ovo se dešavalo dok smo se vozili;
08:31
We were driving at the time;
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08:32
we got home, I sat on the couch,
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stigli smo kući, seo sam na kauč,
08:34
I wrote until two in the morning --
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pisao sam do dva ujutru -
08:36
everyone had gone to bed --
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svi su bili pošli u krevet -
08:37
and I gave it to Marlene
at breakfast time.
at breakfast time.
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i dao sam je Marlin za vreme doručka.
08:40
It's called, "Finisterre,"
for Marlene McCormack.
for Marlene McCormack.
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Naslovljena je: "Finistere",
za Marlin Mekormak.
za Marlin Mekormak.
08:46
"The road in the end
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"Put na koncu
08:47
the road in the end
taking the path the sun had taken
taking the path the sun had taken
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put na koncu
prati stazu koju sunce je pratilo
prati stazu koju sunce je pratilo
08:52
the road in the end
taking the path the run had taken
taking the path the run had taken
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put na koncu
prati stazu koju sunce je pratilo
prati stazu koju sunce je pratilo
08:56
into the western sea
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u zapadno more
08:58
the road in the end
taking the path the sun had taken
taking the path the sun had taken
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put na koncu
prati stazu koju sunce je pratilo
prati stazu koju sunce je pratilo
09:01
into the western sea
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u zapadno more
09:03
and the moon
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a mesec
09:04
the moon rising behind you
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mesec izlazi iza tebe
09:07
as you stood where ground turned to ocean:
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dok stojiš tu gde zemlja postaje okean:
09:11
no way to your future now
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nema puta do tvoje budućnosti sad
nema puta do tvoje budućnosti sad
09:13
no way to your future now
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09:14
except the way your shadow could take,
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osim puta kojim je tvoja senka mogla ići,
09:17
walking before you across water,
going where shadows go,
going where shadows go,
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hodajući ispred tebe preko vode,
idući kuda senke idu,
idući kuda senke idu,
09:20
no way to make sense of a world
that wouldn't let you pass
that wouldn't let you pass
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nema tog puta koji bi dao smisao svetu,
a ne bi te pustio da prođeš,
a ne bi te pustio da prođeš,
09:25
except to call an end
to the way you had come,
to the way you had come,
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osim da proglasiš okončanim
put kojim si došla,
put kojim si došla,
09:30
to take out each letter you had brought
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da izvadiš svako pismo koje si donela
09:35
and light their illumined corners;
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i zapališ njihove osvetljene uglove;
09:38
and to read them as they drifted
on the late western light;
on the late western light;
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i da ih čitaš dok odlaze
sa kasnom zapadnom svetlošću;
sa kasnom zapadnom svetlošću;
09:43
to empty your bags
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da isprazniš torbe
09:44
to empty your bags;
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da isprazniš torbe;
09:45
to sort this and to leave that
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da središ ovo, a ostaviš ono
09:48
to sort this and to leave that;
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da središ ovo, a ostaviš ono;
09:52
to promise what you needed
to promise all along
to promise all along
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da obećaš nešto što je trebalo
da obećaš od samog početka
da obećaš od samog početka
09:56
to promise what you needed
to promise all along,
to promise all along,
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da obećaš nešto što je trebalo
da obećaš od samog početka,
da obećaš od samog početka,
09:59
and to abandon the shoes
that brought you here
that brought you here
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i da napustiš cipele koje su te dovele tu
10:03
right at the water's edge,
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baš tu na ivicu vode,
10:05
not because you had given up
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ne zato što si odustala
10:07
not because you had given up
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ne zato što si odustala,
10:09
but because now,
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već zato što sad,
10:10
you would find a different way to tread,
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otkrićeš drugi put da njime hodaš,
10:13
and because, through it all,
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i zato što, sve u svemu,
10:14
part of you would still walk on,
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deo tebe će i dalje da hoda,
10:17
no matter how,
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nije važno kako,
10:18
over the waves."
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preko talasa."
10:22
"Finisterre."
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"Finistere."
10:23
For Marlene McCormack --
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Za Marlin Mekormak -
10:25
(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
10:35
who has already had
her third play performed
her third play performed
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koja za sobom već ima
tri izvedene predstave
tri izvedene predstave
10:37
in off-off-off-off-Broadway --
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daleko-daleko-daleko-daleko od Brodveja -
10:41
in Dublin.
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u Dablinu.
10:42
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
10:43
But she's on her way.
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Ali približava se.
10:45
This is the last piece.
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Ovo je poslednja pesma.
10:47
This is about the supposed arrival
at the sum of all of our endeavors.
at the sum of all of our endeavors.
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Govori o navodnom dolasku
do zbira svih naših napora.
do zbira svih naših napora.
10:53
In Santiago itself --
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Baš u Santijago -
to bi mogao da bude Santijago,
10:55
it could be Santiago,
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10:56
it could be Mecca,
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mogla bi da bude Meka,
mogao bi da bude Varanasi,
10:57
it could be Varanasi,
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10:59
it could be Kyoto,
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mogao bi da bude Kjoto,
11:00
it could be that threshold
you've set for yourself,
you've set for yourself,
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mogao bi da bude prag
koji ste sebi zacrtali,
koji ste sebi zacrtali,
11:05
the disturbing approach
to the consummation of all your goals.
to the consummation of all your goals.
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uznemirujuće primicanje
konzumaciji svih vaših ciljeva.
konzumaciji svih vaših ciljeva.
11:13
And one of the difficulties
about walking into your life,
about walking into your life,
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A jedna od poteškoća
kod ulaska u vaš život,
kod ulaska u vaš život,
11:17
about coming into this body,
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kod dolaska u ovo telo,
11:19
into this world fully,
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u ovaj svet u potpunosti,
11:22
is you start to realize
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je ta što počinjete da shvatate
11:24
that you have manufactured
three abiding illusions
three abiding illusions
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da ste proizveli tri trajne iluzije,
11:30
that the rest of humanity has shared
with you since the beginning of time.
with you since the beginning of time.
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koje ostatak čovečanstva deli sa vama
od postanka vremena.
od postanka vremena.
11:34
And the first illusion
is that you can somehow construct a life
is that you can somehow construct a life
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A prva iluzija je ta
da nekako možete da izgradite život
da nekako možete da izgradite život
11:39
in which you are not vulnerable.
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u kom niste ranjivi.
11:42
You can somehow be immune
to all of the difficulties
to all of the difficulties
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Da nekako možete da budete imuni
na sve poteškoće
na sve poteškoće
11:47
and ill health and losses
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i loše zdravlje i gubitke
11:51
that humanity has been subject to
since the beginning of time.
since the beginning of time.
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kojima je čovečanstvo podložno
još od postanka vremena.
još od postanka vremena.
11:56
If we look out at the natural world,
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Ako bacimo pogled na svet prirode,
11:57
there's no part of that world
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nijedan deo tog sveta
11:59
that doesn't go through cycles
of, first, incipience,
of, first, incipience,
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nije izuzet prolaska kroz cikluse:
prvo, započinjanje,
prvo, započinjanje,
12:03
or hiddenness,
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to jest skrivenost,
12:04
but then growth, fullness,
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pa potom rast, punoća,
12:07
but then a beautiful,
to begin with, disappearance,
to begin with, disappearance,
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ali potom, prelepo,
u samoj osnovi, nestajanje,
u samoj osnovi, nestajanje,
12:11
and then a very austere,
full disappearance.
full disappearance.
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a potom krajnje opor, potpuni nestanak.
12:14
We look at that, we say,
"That's beautiful,
"That's beautiful,
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Posmatramo to, kažemo: "Prelepo je,
12:16
but can I just have the first half
of the equation, please?
of the equation, please?
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ali mogu li ja da dobijem
prvu polovinu jednačine, molim?
prvu polovinu jednačine, molim?
12:20
And when the disappearance is happening,
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A kad nestajanje bude u toku,
12:22
I'll close my eyes and wait
for the new cycle to come around."
for the new cycle to come around."
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zatvoriću oči i čekati
da započne novi ciklus."
da započne novi ciklus."
12:25
Which means most human beings
are at war with reality
are at war with reality
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To znači da je većina ljudskih bića
u ratu sa stvarnošću
u ratu sa stvarnošću
12:29
50 percent of the time.
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polovinu vremena.
12:32
The mature identity
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Zreo identitet
12:37
is able to live in the full cycle.
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je u stanju da živi u punom ciklusu.
12:40
The second illusion is,
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Druga iluzija je:
12:42
I can construct a life
in which I will not have my heart broken.
in which I will not have my heart broken.
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mogu da izgradim život
u kom mi neće slomiti srce.
u kom mi neće slomiti srce.
12:47
Romance is the first place
we start to do it.
we start to do it.
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Romansa je prvo mesto
na kom to započinjemo.
na kom to započinjemo.
12:49
When you're at the beginning
of a new romance or a new marriage,
of a new romance or a new marriage,
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Kad ste na početku
nove romanse ili novog braka,
nove romanse ili novog braka,
12:53
you say, "I have found the person
who will not break my heart."
who will not break my heart."
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kažete: "Pronašao sam osobu
koja mi neće slomiti srce."
koja mi neće slomiti srce."
12:57
I'm sorry;
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Žao mi je;
12:59
you have chosen them out unconsciously
for that exact core competency.
for that exact core competency.
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izabrali ste je nesvesno
baš zbog te ključne sposobnosti.
baš zbog te ključne sposobnosti.
13:04
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
13:05
They will break your heart.
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Slomiće vam srce.
13:07
Why?
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Zašto?
13:08
Because you care about them.
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Zato što marite za nju.
13:10
You look at parenting, yeah?
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Uzmite roditeljstvo, da?
13:12
Parenting: "I will be
the perfect mother and father."
the perfect mother and father."
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Roditeljstvo: "Biću savršena
majka i savršen otac."
majka i savršen otac."
13:16
Your children will break your heart.
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Vaša deca će da vam slome srce.
13:18
And they don't even have to do
anything spectacular or dramatic.
anything spectacular or dramatic.
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A čak ne moraju da urade
nešto spektakularno ili dramatčno.
nešto spektakularno ili dramatčno.
13:23
But usually, they do do something
spectacular or dramatic --
spectacular or dramatic --
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Međutim, obično urade nešto
spektakularno ili dramatično -
spektakularno ili dramatično -
13:27
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
13:28
to break your heart.
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da vam slome srce.
13:30
And then they live with you
as spies and saboteurs for years,
as spies and saboteurs for years,
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A potom, godinama žive sa vama
poput špijuna i sabotera,
poput špijuna i sabotera,
13:33
watching your every psychological move,
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posmatrajući vaš svaki psihološki pokret
13:36
and spotting your every weakness.
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i zapažajući svaku vašu slabost.
13:39
And one day,
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I jednog dana,
13:40
when they're about 14 years old,
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kad im je otprilike 14 godina,
13:42
with your back turned to them,
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dok ste im okrenuti leđima,
13:43
in the kitchen,
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u kuhinji,
13:45
while you're making something for them --
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dok spremate nešto za njih -
13:47
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
13:48
the psychological stiletto goes in.
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zariju vam psihološki bodež.
13:50
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
13:53
(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
13:58
And you say, "How did you know
exactly where to place it?"
exactly where to place it?"
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A vi kažete: "Kako ste znali
tačno gde da ga smestite?"
tačno gde da ga smestite?"
14:02
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
14:03
And they say,
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A oni kažu:
14:04
"I've been watching you for --
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"Posmatrali smo vas -
14:06
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
14:07
a good few years."
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dobrih nekoliko godina."
14:11
And then we hope that our armored,
professional personalities
professional personalities
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A potom se nadamo da će nas naši oklopi
profesionalne ličnosti
profesionalne ličnosti
14:17
will prevent us from having our
heart broken in work.
heart broken in work.
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zaštititi od slomljenog srca na poslu.
14:20
But if you're sincere about your work,
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Međutim, ako ste iskreni u vašem poslu,
14:23
it should break your heart.
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srce i treba da vam se slomi.
14:26
You should get to thresholds
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Trebalo bi da stižete do pragova
14:27
where you do not know how to proceed.
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gde ne znate kako dalje.
14:32
You do not know how to get
from here to there.
from here to there.
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Ne znate kako da stignete odavde do tamo.
14:36
What does that do?
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Šta je svrha toga?
14:37
It puts you into a proper
relationship with reality.
relationship with reality.
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To vas stavlja u pravilan
odnos sa stvarnošću.
odnos sa stvarnošću.
14:41
Why?
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Zašto?
14:42
Because you have to ask for help.
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Zato što morate da tražite pomoć.
14:50
Heartbreak.
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Slomljeno srce.
14:52
We don't have a choice about heartbreak,
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Nemamo izbora kod slomljenog srca,
14:54
we only have a choice
of having our hearts broken
of having our hearts broken
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jedino imamo izbor
kod toga da nam srca lome
kod toga da nam srca lome
14:58
over people and things and projects
that we deeply care about.
that we deeply care about.
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ljudi i stvari i projekti
za koje istinski marimo.
za koje istinski marimo.
15:05
And the last illusion is,
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A poslednja iluzija glasi:
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I can somehow plan enough
and arrange things
and arrange things
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nekako mogu dovoljno
da isplaniram i podesim stvari,
da isplaniram i podesim stvari,
15:11
that I will be able to see
the path to the end
the path to the end
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te ću biti u stanju da vidim
stazu do samog kraja,
stazu do samog kraja,
15:15
right from where I'm standing,
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baš sa mesta na kom sam,
15:17
right to the horizon.
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skroz do horizonta.
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But when you think about it,
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Međutim, ako razmislite o tome,
15:22
the only environment
in which that would be true
in which that would be true
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jedina sredina u kojoj bi to bilo moguće
15:25
would be a flat desert,
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bi bila ravna pustinja,
15:28
empty of any other life.
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ispražnjena od drugih oblika života.
15:33
But even in a flat desert,
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No, čak i u ravnoj pustinji,
15:34
the curvature of the earth
would take the path away from you.
would take the path away from you.
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zakrivljenost zemlje
bi vam izmakla stazu ispod nogu.
bi vam izmakla stazu ispod nogu.
15:38
So, no;
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Dakle, ne;
15:40
you see the path,
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vidite stazu,
15:41
and then you don't
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a potom je ne vidite,
15:43
and then you see it again.
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a potom je vidite opet.
15:45
So this is "Santiago,"
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Dakle, ovo je "Santijago",
15:48
the supposed arrival,
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navodni dolazak,
15:51
which is a kind of return
to the beginning all at the same time.
to the beginning all at the same time.
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koji je na neki način istovremeno
povratak na početak.
povratak na početak.
15:55
We have this experience of the journey,
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Imamo to iskustvo putovanja,
15:58
which is in all of our great
spiritual traditions,
spiritual traditions,
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koje je u svim našim velikim
spiritualnim tradicijama,
spiritualnim tradicijama,
16:00
of pilgrimage.
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hodočašće.
16:02
But just by actually standing
in the ground of your life fully,
in the ground of your life fully,
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Ali, samim tim što stojite
potpuno na tlu vašeg života,
potpuno na tlu vašeg života,
16:06
not trying to abstract yourself
into a strategic future
into a strategic future
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ne pokušavajući da se apstrahujete
u stratešku budućnost,
u stratešku budućnost,
16:10
that's actually just an escape
from present heartbreak;
from present heartbreak;
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to je zapravo tek beg
od slomljenog srca u sadašnjosti;
od slomljenog srca u sadašnjosti;
16:14
the ability to stand
in the ground of your life
in the ground of your life
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sposobnost stajanja
na tlu vašeg postojanja
na tlu vašeg postojanja
16:16
and to look at the horizon
that is pulling you --
that is pulling you --
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i posmatranja horizonta koji vas vuče -
16:20
in that moment,
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u tom trenutku,
16:21
you are the whole journey.
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vi ste putovanje u celosti.
16:23
You are the whole conversation.
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Vi ste razgovor u celosti.
16:27
"Santiago."
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"Santijago"
16:28
"The road seen, then not seen
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"Put koji se vidi, pa ne vidi
16:31
the road seen, then not seen
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put koji se vidi, pa ne vidi
16:36
the hillside hiding then revealing
the way you should take
the way you should take
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padina koja skriva, pa otkriva
put kojim bi trebalo da pođeš
put kojim bi trebalo da pođeš
16:40
the road seen, then not seen
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put koji se vidi, pa ne vidi
16:43
the hillside hiding then revealing
the way you should take,
the way you should take,
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padina koja skriva, pa otkriva
put kojim bi trebalo da pođeš,
put kojim bi trebalo da pođeš,
16:48
the road dropping away from you
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put koji ti izmiče
16:52
as if leaving you to walk on thin air,
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kao da te ostavlja da hodaš
po praznom vazduhu,
po praznom vazduhu,
16:57
then catching you,
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potom te hvata,
16:58
catching you,
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hvata te,
16:59
holding you up,
when you thought you would fall,
when you thought you would fall,
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drži te uspravljenog,
onda kad pomisliš da ćeš pasti,
onda kad pomisliš da ćeš pasti,
17:02
catching you,
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hvata te,
drži te uspravljenog,
onda kad pomisliš da ćeš pasti,
onda kad pomisliš da ćeš pasti,
17:03
holding you up,
when you thought you would fall,
when you thought you would fall,
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17:05
and the way forward
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a put napred
17:07
the way forward always in the end
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a put napred uvek na kraju
17:11
the way that you came,
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je put kojim si došao,
17:12
the way forward always in the end
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put napred uvek na kraju
17:14
the way that you came,
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je put kojim si došao,
17:15
the way that you followed,
the way that carried you into your future,
the way that carried you into your future,
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put koji si pratio,
put koji te je nosio u tvoju budućnost,
put koji te je nosio u tvoju budućnost,
17:19
that brought you to this place,
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koji te je doveo do ovog mesta,
17:20
that brought you to this place,
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koji te je doveo do ovog mesta,
17:23
no matter that it sometimes
had to take your promise from you,
had to take your promise from you,
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bez obzira na to što je ponekad
morao da ti istrgne obećanje,
morao da ti istrgne obećanje,
17:28
no matter that it always
had to break your heart along the way:
had to break your heart along the way:
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bez obzira na to što ti je usput
stalno morao da slama srce:
stalno morao da slama srce:
17:34
the sense
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osećaj
17:35
the sense of having walked
from deep inside yourself
from deep inside yourself
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osećaj da si hodao iz sopstvenih dubina
17:40
out into the revelation,
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napolje do otkrovenja,
17:43
to have risked yourself
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da si ugrozio sebe
17:45
for something that seemed to stand
both inside you and far beyond you,
both inside you and far beyond you,
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zbog nečega što se činilo da stoji
i u tebi i daleko mimo tebe,
i u tebi i daleko mimo tebe,
17:51
and that called you back in the end
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i što te je na kraju pozvalo nazad
17:53
to the only road you could follow,
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na jedini put koji možeš da pratiš,
17:56
walking as you did, in your rags of love
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hodajući baš tako, u dronjcima ljubavi
18:00
walking as you did, in your rags of love
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hodajući baš tako, u dronjcima ljubavi
18:03
and speaking in the voice that by night
became a prayer for safe arrival,
became a prayer for safe arrival,
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i govoreći glasom koji je noću
postajao molitva za bezbedan povratak,
postajao molitva za bezbedan povratak,
18:10
so that one day
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kako bi jednog dana
18:12
one day you realized
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jednog dana shvatio
18:14
that what you wanted
had actually already happened
had actually already happened
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da ono što si želeo
zapravo se već dogodilo
zapravo se već dogodilo
18:18
one day you realized
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jednog dana si shvatio
18:20
that what you wanted
had actually already happened
had actually already happened
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da ono što si želeo
zapravo se već dogodilo
zapravo se već dogodilo
18:22
and long ago
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i to davnih dana
18:23
and in the dwelling place
in which you lived before you began,
in which you lived before you began,
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počivalo je na mestu
na kom si živeo pre nego što si počeo,
na kom si živeo pre nego što si počeo,
18:27
and that
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i da
18:28
and that every step along the way,
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i da si svakim korakom na tom putu,
18:31
every step along the way,
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svakim korakom na tom putu,
18:33
you had carried the heart
and the mind and the promise
and the mind and the promise
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nosio srce i um i obećanje
18:36
that first set you off
and then drew you on,
and then drew you on,
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koji su te prvo potakli,
a potom te navodili,
a potom te navodili,
18:39
and that
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i da
18:41
and that you were more marvelous
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i da si bio veličanstveniji
18:45
in your simple wish to find a way
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u svojoj prostoj želji da nađeš put
18:48
you were more marvelous
in your simple wish to find a way
in your simple wish to find a way
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bio si veličanstveniji
u svojoj prostoj želji da nađeš put
u svojoj prostoj želji da nađeš put
18:52
than the gilded roofs
of any destination you could reach
of any destination you could reach
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od pozlaćenih krovova
bilo kojeg odredišta koje si mogao doseći
bilo kojeg odredišta koje si mogao doseći
18:56
you were more marvelous
in that simple wish to find a way
in that simple wish to find a way
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bio si veličanstveniji
u svojoj prostoj želji da nađeš put
u svojoj prostoj želji da nađeš put
19:00
than the gilded roofs
of any destination you could reach:
of any destination you could reach:
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od pozlaćenih krovova
bilo kog odredišta koje si mogao doseći:
bilo kog odredišta koje si mogao doseći:
19:03
as if, all along,
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kao da si, sve vreme,
19:04
you had thought the end point
might be a city with golden domes,
might be a city with golden domes,
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mislio kako je konačno odredište
možda grad sa zlatnim kupolama
možda grad sa zlatnim kupolama
19:07
and cheering crowds,
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i gomilom koja kliče,
19:08
and turning the corner
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a skrećući iza ugla
19:10
at what you thought
was the end of the road,
was the end of the road,
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koji si smatrao krajem puta,
19:15
you found just a simple reflection,
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otkrio si samo prost odraz
19:19
and a clear revelation
beneath the face looking back
beneath the face looking back
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i jasno otkrovenje
ispod lica koje se osvrtalo
ispod lica koje se osvrtalo
19:22
and beneath it another invitation,
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a ispod njega još jednu pozivinicu,
19:27
all in one glimpse
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sve u jednom mahu
19:29
all in one glimpse:
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sve u jednom mahu:
19:31
like a person
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nalik osobi
19:33
like a person or a place
you had sought forever
you had sought forever
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nalik osobi ili mestu
za kojima si oduvek tragao
za kojima si oduvek tragao
19:37
like a person or a place
you had sought forever,
you had sought forever,
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nalik osobi ili mestu
za kojima si oduvek tragao,
za kojima si oduvek tragao,
19:40
like a bold field of freedom
that beckoned you beyond;
that beckoned you beyond;
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nalik odvažnom polju slobode
koje te je zvalo preko;
koje te je zvalo preko;
19:45
like another life
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nalik drugom životu
19:46
like another life,
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nalik drugom životu
19:48
and the road
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i putu
19:49
the road still stretching on."
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putu koji se i dalje pruža napred."
19:54
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(Aplauz)
19:55
Thank you.
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Hvala vam.
19:56
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(Aplauz)
20:01
Thank you.
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Hvala vam.
20:02
(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
20:07
Thank you very much. Thank you.
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Mnogo vam hvala. Hvala vam.
20:10
You're very kind. Thank you.
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Veoma ste ljubazni. Hvala vam.
20:11
(Applause)
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ABOUT THE SPEAKER
David Whyte - Poet, authorDavid Whyte writes at the intersection of interior and exterior worlds, what he calls the conversational nature of reality, bringing new territory into view with his distinctly personal style.
Why you should listen
David Whyte grew up amid the grounded practicalities of Yorkshire, England, of a very imaginative, storytelling Irish mother. Not choosing between these two sides is what perhaps gave him his first insight into the complexities of human identity. He is quoted as saying that all of his poetry and philosophy is based on what he calls "the conversational nature of reality." His time as a scientist and naturalist fuide in the Galapagos Islands led him to explore what he calls the frontier nature of human identity. Whyte draws from this diverse background and a deep philosophical curiosity to craft poetry and prose that is at once highly relatable, yet altogether new. His work spans the worlds of literature, philosophy and organizational leadership, making him a clear, wise voice in an increasingly complex world.
His books include The Sea in You: Twenty Poems of Requited and Unrequited Love; The Three Marriages: Reimagining Work, Self and Relationship; River Flow: New & Selected Poems; Consolations: The Solace, Nourishment and Underlying Meaning of Everyday Words and Pilgrim.
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