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David Whyte: A lyrical bridge between past, present and future
大衛懷特: 在過去、現在、和未來之間的抒情詩橋樑
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大衛懷特帶著他著名的魅力和徹底洞察，沉思過去、現在和未來的邊界，分享兩首詩。詩的靈感來自他的姪女沿著通往康波斯特拉的聖雅各之路到西班牙的徒步之旅。
David Whyte - Poet, author
David Whyte writes at the intersection of interior and exterior worlds, what he calls the conversational nature of reality, bringing new territory into view with his distinctly personal style. Full bio
David Whyte writes at the intersection of interior and exterior worlds, what he calls the conversational nature of reality, bringing new territory into view with his distinctly personal style. Full bio
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The youthful perspective on the future,
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對於未來的年輕觀點，
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the present perspective on the future
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對於未來的當前觀點，
00:19
and the future, mature
perspective on the future --
perspective on the future --
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以及未來，對於未來的成熟觀點——
00:24
I'd like to try and bring
all those three tenses together
all those three tenses together
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今晚，我想要試著把
這三種時態結合在一起，
這三種時態結合在一起，
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in one identity tonight.
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成為一個身份。
00:31
And you could say
that the poet, in many ways,
that the poet, in many ways,
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你可以說，在許多方面，
詩人所看的是我所謂的
「現實的交談本質」。
「現實的交談本質」。
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looks at what I call
"the conversational nature of reality."
"the conversational nature of reality."
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And you ask yourself:
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你問自己：
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What is the conversational
nature of reality?
nature of reality?
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現實的交談本質是什麼？
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The conversational nature
of reality is the fact
of reality is the fact
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現實的交談本質是以下這個事實：
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that whatever you desire of the world --
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不論你對這個世界有什麼渴望——
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whatever you desire of your partner
in a marriage or a love relationship,
in a marriage or a love relationship,
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不論你對婚姻或戀愛關係中的
另一半有什麼渴望，
另一半有什麼渴望，
00:54
whatever you desire of your children,
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不論你對孩子有什麼渴望，
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whatever you desire of the people
who work for you or with you,
who work for you or with you,
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不論你對同事或下屬有什麼渴望，
00:59
or your world --
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或你的世界——
01:01
will not happen exactly
as you would like it to happen.
as you would like it to happen.
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都不會準確地
以你所想要的方式發生。
以你所想要的方式發生。
01:06
But equally,
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但很平等地，
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whatever the world desires of us --
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不論世界對我們有什麼渴望——
01:10
whatever our partner,
our child, our colleague,
our child, our colleague,
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不論我們的另一半、孩子、同事、
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our industry,
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產業、
01:15
our future demands of us,
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未來對我們有什麼渴望，
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will also not happen.
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也不會發生。
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And what actually happens
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真正發生的是
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is this frontier
between what you think is you
between what you think is you
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「你認為是的你」跟
「你認為不是你的你」
「你認為不是你的你」
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and what you think is not you.
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之間的邊界。
01:28
And this frontier of actual meeting
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我們所謂的自我、所謂的世界，
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between what we call a self
and what we call the world
and what we call the world
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這兩者間實際相碰的邊界，
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is the only place, actually,
where things are real.
where things are real.
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唯有在這裡，事物東西才真實。
01:37
But it's quite astonishing,
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但，非常驚人的是，
01:39
how little time we spend
at this conversational frontier,
at this conversational frontier,
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我們花非常少的時間
在這個交談邊界上，
在這個交談邊界上，
01:43
and not abstracted away from it
in one strategy or another.
in one strategy or another.
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沒以任何策略來抽取些什麼。
01:49
I was coming through immigration,
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我經過海關的移民局，
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which is quite a dramatic
border at the moment,
border at the moment,
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那時是個相當戲劇性的邊境，
01:57
into the US last year,
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我去年進入美國，
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and, you know, you get off
an international flight
an international flight
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下了國際航班，
越過了大西洋，
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across the Atlantic,
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你不在最佳的地點，
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and you're not in the best place;
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you're not at your most
spiritually mature.
spiritually mature.
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你不處於靈性最成熟的狀況，
02:08
You're quite impatient
with the rest of humanity, in fact.
with the rest of humanity, in fact.
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事實上，你對其他的人很沒耐心。
02:12
So when you get up to immigration
with your shirt collar out
with your shirt collar out
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當你起身進到移民局時
上衣領子是外翻的，
上衣領子是外翻的，
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and a day's growth of beard,
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一天沒刮鬍子，
02:18
and you have very little patience,
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你很沒耐心，
02:21
and the immigration officer
looked at my passport
looked at my passport
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而移民官看了我的護照，
02:24
and said, "What do you do, Mr. Whyte?"
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說：「懷特先生，你是做什麼的？」
02:26
I said, "I work with the conversational
nature of reality."
nature of reality."
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我說：「我處理
『現實的交談本質』。」
『現實的交談本質』。」
02:31
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
02:36
And he leaned forward over his podium
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他向前傾到他的矮牆上，
02:39
and he said, "I needed you last night."
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他說：「我昨晚需要你。」
02:42
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
02:44
(Applause)
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（掌聲）
02:48
And I said, "I'm sorry,
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我說：「很抱歉，
02:49
my powers as a poet
and philosopher only go so far.
and philosopher only go so far.
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身為詩人和哲學家，
我的力量只到這裡。
我的力量只到這裡。
02:52
I'm not sure I can --"
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不確定我能——」
02:53
But before we knew it,
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很快地，
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we were into a conversation
about his marriage.
about his marriage.
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我們就在交談了，談他的結婚。
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Here he was in his uniform,
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他穿著他的制服，
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and the interesting thing was,
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有趣的是，
03:02
he was looking up and down
the row of officers
the row of officers
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他不時看向著整排的人員，
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to make sure his supervisor didn't see
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確定他的主管沒有發現
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that we was having a real conversation.
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我們在做真正的交談。
03:11
But all of us live
at this conversational frontier
at this conversational frontier
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但我們所有人都生活在
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with the future.
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這個與未來的交談邊界上。
03:16
I'd like to put you in the shoes
of my Irish niece,
of my Irish niece,
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我想請各位站在我的
愛爾蘭姪女的立場想想，
愛爾蘭姪女的立場想想，
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Marlene McCormack,
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她叫瑪琳馬可麥克，
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standing on a cliff edge
on the western coast of Spain,
on the western coast of Spain,
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站在西班牙西岸的懸崖邊緣，
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overlooking the broad Atlantic.
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眺望著廣大的大西洋。
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Twenty-three years old,
she's just walked 500 miles
she's just walked 500 miles
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她 23 歲，剛走過了 500 英哩，
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from Saint Jean Pied de Port
on the French side of the Pyrenees,
on the French side of the Pyrenees,
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從位在庇里牛斯山
法國那一面的聖讓皮耶德波爾，
法國那一面的聖讓皮耶德波爾，
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all the way across Northern Spain,
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一路走到西班牙北部，
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on this very famous,
old and contemporary pilgrimage
old and contemporary pilgrimage
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這是一趟非常著名、
古老、當代的朝聖之旅，
古老、當代的朝聖之旅，
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called the Camino de Santiago
de Compostela --
de Compostela --
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西班牙文叫「Camino de
Santiago de Compostela」，
Santiago de Compostela」，
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the Path to Santiago of Compostela.
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「通往康波斯特拉的聖雅各之路」，
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And when you get to Santiago, actually,
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當你到了聖雅各，
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it can be something of an anticlimax,
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其實是有點掃興的，
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because there are 100,000
people living there
people living there
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因為有十萬人住在那裡，
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who are not necessarily applauding you
as you're coming into town.
as you're coming into town.
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他們不見得會鼓掌歡迎你到鎮上。
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(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
03:59
And 10,000 of them are trying to sell you
a memento of your journey.
a memento of your journey.
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他們當中會有一萬人試著
賣這趟旅程的紀念品給你。
賣這趟旅程的紀念品給你。
04:04
But you do have the possibility
of going on for three more days
of going on for three more days
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但，你確有可能可以再花三天時間
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to this place where Marlene stood,
called, in Spanish, Finisterre,
called, in Spanish, Finisterre,
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走到瑪琳站的這個地方，
西班牙文叫「Finisterre」，
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in English, Finisterre,
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英文發音是「菲尼斯特雷」，
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from the Latin,
meaning "the ends of the earth,"
meaning "the ends of the earth,"
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來自拉丁文，意思是「地球的盡頭」，
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the place where ground turns to ocean;
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陸地轉變為海洋的地方，
04:25
the place where your present
turns into the future.
turns into the future.
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你的現在轉變為未來的地方。
04:30
And Marlene had walked this way --
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而瑪琳走過了這段路——
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she just graduated as a 23-year-old
from the University of Sligo
from the University of Sligo
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23 歲的她剛從斯萊戈大學畢業，
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with a degree in Irish drama.
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取得愛爾蘭戲劇學位。
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And she said to me, "I don't think
the major corporations of the world
the major corporations of the world
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她對我說：「我不認為
世界上的主要企業
世界上的主要企業
會找上我的門來。」
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will be knocking on my door."
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I said, "Listen, I've worked
in corporations all over the world
in corporations all over the world
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我說：「聽著，數十年來
我為世界各地的企業工作；
我為世界各地的企業工作；
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for decades;
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戲劇學位最能讓你
準備好進入成人的——
準備好進入成人的——
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a degree in drama is what would most
prepare you for the adult --
prepare you for the adult --
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04:51
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
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corporate world."
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企業世界。」
04:53
(Applause)
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（掌聲）
04:55
But she said, "I'm not
interested in that, anyway.
interested in that, anyway.
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但她說：「反正我對那也沒有興趣。
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I don't want to teach drama,
I want to become a dramatist.
I want to become a dramatist.
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我不想要教戲劇，
我想要成為劇作家。
我想要成為劇作家。
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I want to write plays.
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我想要寫劇本。
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So I walked the Camino
in order to give myself some courage,
in order to give myself some courage,
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所以我踏上聖雅各之路
想給自己一些勇氣，
想給自己一些勇氣，
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in order to walk into my future."
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才能走入我的未來。」
05:10
And I said, "What was the most powerful
moment you had on the whole Camino,
moment you had on the whole Camino,
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我說：「在聖雅各之路上，
你經歷到最強大的時刻是什麼？」
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the very most powerful moment?"
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她說：「有許多強大的時刻，
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She said, "I had many powerful moments,
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但，最強大的時刻是在
走完聖雅各之路後，
走完聖雅各之路後，
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but you know, the most powerful
moment was post-Camino,
moment was post-Camino,
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was the three days you go on from Santiago
and come to this cliff edge.
and come to this cliff edge.
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是從聖雅各到那懸崖邊緣的那三天。
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And you go through three rituals.
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你要經過三個儀式。
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The first ritual is to eat
a tapas plate of scallops" --
a tapas plate of scallops" --
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第一個儀式是要吃一小盤扇貝肉」；
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or if you're vegetarian,
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如果你吃素，
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to contemplate the scallop shell.
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凝視著扇貝殼就好。
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(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
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Because the scallop shell has been
the icon and badge of your walk,
the icon and badge of your walk,
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因為扇貝殼是你
這段步行的象徵和標記，
這段步行的象徵和標記，
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and every arrow
that you have seen along that way
that you have seen along that way
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而你一路上所見到的每一個箭頭，
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has been pointing underneath
a scallop shell.
a scallop shell.
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都指向一個扇貝殼的下方。
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So really, this first ritual is saying:
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所以，其實第一個儀式在說的是：
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How did you get to this place?
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你怎麼到達這個地方的？
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How did you follow the path to get here?
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你怎麼循著路到達這裡的？
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How do you hold the conversation of life
when you feel unbesieged,
when you feel unbesieged,
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當你沒被圍困、沒被欺負，
獨自一人時，
你如何進行人生的談話？
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when you're unbullied,
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06:03
when you're left to yourself?
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06:04
How do you hold the conversation of life
that brings you to this place?
that brings you to this place?
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你如何進行帶你到此地的人生談話？
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And the second ritual is that you burn
something that you've brought.
something that you've brought.
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而第二個儀式，是你要把
你帶來的某樣東西燒掉。
你帶來的某樣東西燒掉。
06:15
I said, "What did you burn, Marlene?"
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我問：「瑪琳，你燒掉了什麼？」
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She said, "I burned a letter
and two postcards."
and two postcards."
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她說：「我燒掉了
一封信和兩張明信片。」
一封信和兩張明信片。」
06:20
I said, "Astonishing.
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我說：「好驚人。
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Twenty-three years old and you have paper.
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23 歲的人會有紙。
我無法置信。」
06:23
I can't believe it."
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06:25
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
06:26
I'm sure there's a Camino app
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我相信一定有聖雅各之路 app，
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where you can just delete
a traumatic text, you know?
a traumatic text, you know?
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讓你可以刪除創傷性文字，是吧？
06:32
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
06:34
It will engage the flashlight,
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它會搭配閃光，
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imbue it with color
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充滿了顏色，
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and disappear in a firework of flames.
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在火焰的煙火當中消失。
06:42
But you either bring a letter
or you write one there,
or you write one there,
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但你若沒有帶信到那裡，
你可以在那裡寫一封，
你可以在那裡寫一封，
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and you burn it.
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然後燒掉它。
06:46
And of course we know intuitively
what is on those letters and postcards.
what is on those letters and postcards.
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當然，我們憑直覺都知道
信上和明信片上寫的是什麼。
信上和明信片上寫的是什麼。
06:50
It's a form of affection and love
that is now no longer extant, yeah?
that is now no longer extant, yeah?
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是一種現已不復存在的
愛與感情形式，對吧？
愛與感情形式，對吧？
06:58
And then the third ritual:
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接著，第三個儀式：
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between all these fires
are large piles of clothes.
are large piles of clothes.
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在這些火當中的是大堆大堆的衣物。
07:06
And you leave an item of clothing
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你留下一個協助你到達
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that has helped you to get to this place.
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這個地方的衣著物品。
07:12
And I said to Marlene,
"What did you leave at the cliff edge?"
"What did you leave at the cliff edge?"
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我對瑪琳說：「你在
懸崖邊緣留下了什麼？」
懸崖邊緣留下了什麼？」
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She said, "I left my boots --
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她說：「我留下了我的靴子–
07:16
the very things
that I walked in, actually.
that I walked in, actually.
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就是我穿著走到那裡的靴子。
07:18
They were beautiful boots,
I loved those boots,
I loved those boots,
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那雙靴子很漂亮，我很喜愛，
07:21
but they were finished
after seven weeks of walking.
after seven weeks of walking.
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但經過七週的行走之後已經完了。
07:24
So I walked away in my trainers,
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所以我穿著運動鞋離開，
07:25
but I left my boots there."
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把靴子留在那裡。」
07:27
She said, "It was really incredible.
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她說：「那真的很難以置信。
07:29
The most powerful moment was,
the sun was going down,
the sun was going down,
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最強大的時刻是太陽西下，
07:33
but the full moon was coming up behind me.
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但滿月卻從我後面升起。
07:37
And the full moon was illuminated
by the dying sun in such a powerful way
by the dying sun in such a powerful way
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而滿月被落日
用一種很強大的方式照亮，
用一種很強大的方式照亮，
07:42
that even after the sun
had dropped below the horizon,
had dropped below the horizon,
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即使太陽已經落到地平線之下，
07:45
the moon could still see that sun.
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月亮仍然能夠看見太陽。
07:49
And I had a moon shadow,
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而我有個月影，
07:52
and I was looking at my moon shadow
walking across the Atlantic,
walking across the Atlantic,
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我看著這個被月亮
照出的影子走過大西洋，
照出的影子走過大西洋，
07:57
across this ocean.
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走過這海洋。
07:59
And I thought,
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我心想：
08:00
'Oh! That's my new self
going into the future.'
going into the future.'
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『喔！那就是我的
新自我，走入未來。』
新自我，走入未來。』
08:03
But suddenly I realized
the sun was falling further.
the sun was falling further.
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但，我突然發現太陽更下沈了。
08:09
The moon was losing its reflection,
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月亮失去了它的反射，
08:13
and my shadow was disappearing.
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我的影子消失了。
08:15
The most powerful moment
I had on the whole Camino
I had on the whole Camino
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這整段路上我經歷的最強大時刻，
08:18
was when I realized I myself
had to walk across that unknown sea
had to walk across that unknown sea
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就是了解到我必須
自己走過那未知的海洋，
自己走過那未知的海洋，
走入我的未來。」
08:24
into my future."
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08:27
Well, I was so taken by this story,
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我對這個故事非常著迷，
08:29
I wrote this piece for her.
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我為她寫了這小品。
08:31
We were driving at the time;
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當時我們在開車，
08:32
we got home, I sat on the couch,
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回到家，我坐在沙發上，
一直寫到半夜兩點——
08:34
I wrote until two in the morning --
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08:36
everyone had gone to bed --
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每個人都入睡了——
08:37
and I gave it to Marlene
at breakfast time.
at breakfast time.
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我在早餐的時候把它給了瑪琳。
08:40
It's called, "Finisterre,"
for Marlene McCormack.
for Marlene McCormack.
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它叫做《菲尼斯特雷》，
獻給瑪琳馬可麥克。
獻給瑪琳馬可麥克。
08:46
"The road in the end
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「道路到了最終，
08:47
the road in the end
taking the path the sun had taken
taking the path the sun had taken
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道路到了最終，
走上太陽走過的途徑，
走上太陽走過的途徑，
08:52
the road in the end
taking the path the run had taken
taking the path the run had taken
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道路到了最終，
走上太陽走過的途徑，
走上太陽走過的途徑，
08:56
into the western sea
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進入西方的海洋，
08:58
the road in the end
taking the path the sun had taken
taking the path the sun had taken
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道路到了最終，
走上太陽走過的途徑，
走上太陽走過的途徑，
09:01
into the western sea
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進入西方的海洋，
09:03
and the moon
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而月亮，
09:04
the moon rising behind you
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月亮從你身後升起，
09:07
as you stood where ground turned to ocean:
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當你站在陸地轉為海洋之處：
09:11
no way to your future now
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現在沒有通往你未來的路，
09:13
no way to your future now
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現在沒有通往你未來的路，
09:14
except the way your shadow could take,
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除了你的影子能走上的路，
09:17
walking before you across water,
going where shadows go,
going where shadows go,
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走在你前面，跨越水面，
去到影子所去之處，
去到影子所去之處，
09:20
no way to make sense of a world
that wouldn't let you pass
that wouldn't let you pass
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沒辦法將一個不讓你
通過的世界給合理化，
通過的世界給合理化，
09:25
except to call an end
to the way you had come,
to the way you had come,
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除了宣稱你所走過的路到了盡頭，
09:30
to take out each letter you had brought
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拿出你帶來的所有信件，
09:35
and light their illumined corners;
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點亮它們的照亮角落；
09:38
and to read them as they drifted
on the late western light;
on the late western light;
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閱讀漂流在夜晚西方光線中的它們；
09:43
to empty your bags
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清空你的袋子，
09:44
to empty your bags;
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清空你的袋子；
09:45
to sort this and to leave that
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分類這，留下那，
09:48
to sort this and to leave that;
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分類這，留下那；
09:52
to promise what you needed
to promise all along
to promise all along
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承諾你打從開始就就需要承諾的，
09:56
to promise what you needed
to promise all along,
to promise all along,
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承諾你打從開始就就需要承諾的；
09:59
and to abandon the shoes
that brought you here
that brought you here
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丟棄帶你來這裡的鞋子，
10:03
right at the water's edge,
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棄在水邊，
10:05
not because you had given up
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不是因為你已經放棄，
10:07
not because you had given up
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不是因為你已經放棄，
10:09
but because now,
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而是因為現在，
10:10
you would find a different way to tread,
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你會找到一條不同的路來走，
10:13
and because, through it all,
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也因為，透過它，
10:14
part of you would still walk on,
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你的一部份將會繼續走下去，
10:17
no matter how,
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不論如何，
10:18
over the waves."
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走過波浪。」
10:22
"Finisterre."
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《菲尼斯特雷》
10:23
For Marlene McCormack --
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獻給瑪琳馬可麥克——
10:25
(Applause)
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（掌聲）
10:35
who has already had
her third play performed
her third play performed
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她已經有第三齣劇被演出，
10:37
in off-off-off-off-Broadway --
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在外外外外百老匯的劇界，
10:41
in Dublin.
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在都柏林。
10:42
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
10:43
But she's on her way.
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但她在向前進了。
10:45
This is the last piece.
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這是最後一件作品，
10:47
This is about the supposed arrival
at the sum of all of our endeavors.
at the sum of all of our endeavors.
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說的是在我們努力的頂點
應當的抵達。
應當的抵達。
10:53
In Santiago itself --
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在聖雅各本身——
10:55
it could be Santiago,
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可以是聖雅各，
10:56
it could be Mecca,
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可以是麥加，
10:57
it could be Varanasi,
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可以是瓦拉納西，
10:59
it could be Kyoto,
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可以是京都，
11:00
it could be that threshold
you've set for yourself,
you've set for yourself,
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可以是你為自己設定的門檻，
11:05
the disturbing approach
to the consummation of all your goals.
to the consummation of all your goals.
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讓人不安的方法，
用來完成你所有目標。
用來完成你所有目標。
11:13
And one of the difficulties
about walking into your life,
about walking into your life,
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要走入你的人生，要來到這身體內，
11:17
about coming into this body,
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完全進入這世界，
11:19
into this world fully,
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困難點之一就是
11:22
is you start to realize
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你開始了解到
11:24
that you have manufactured
three abiding illusions
three abiding illusions
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你已經製造出了三個持久的幻覺，
11:30
that the rest of humanity has shared
with you since the beginning of time.
with you since the beginning of time.
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打從一開始，其他的人類
就與你共享這些幻覺。
就與你共享這些幻覺。
11:34
And the first illusion
is that you can somehow construct a life
is that you can somehow construct a life
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第一個幻覺就是你可以
以某種方式建立一個人生，
以某種方式建立一個人生，
11:39
in which you are not vulnerable.
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且你身在其中不會脆弱。
11:42
You can somehow be immune
to all of the difficulties
to all of the difficulties
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你可以對所有的困難、
不健康、失去，
不健康、失去，
11:47
and ill health and losses
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通通免疫，
11:51
that humanity has been subject to
since the beginning of time.
since the beginning of time.
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那些人類從一開始就遭受的。
11:56
If we look out at the natural world,
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如果你向外看看自然世界，
11:57
there's no part of that world
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那個世界的每一部份
11:59
that doesn't go through cycles
of, first, incipience,
of, first, incipience,
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都會要經過循環，
從最初的發端或隱蔽，
12:03
or hiddenness,
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12:04
but then growth, fullness,
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接著成長、完全，
12:07
but then a beautiful,
to begin with, disappearance,
to begin with, disappearance,
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如何是美好消失的開始，
12:11
and then a very austere,
full disappearance.
full disappearance.
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然後是非常樸素、完整的消失。
12:14
We look at that, we say,
"That's beautiful,
"That's beautiful,
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我們看著它，我們說：「那好美，
12:16
but can I just have the first half
of the equation, please?
of the equation, please?
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但能不能只給我等式的前半部呢？
12:20
And when the disappearance is happening,
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當消失發生時，
12:22
I'll close my eyes and wait
for the new cycle to come around."
for the new cycle to come around."
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我會閉上眼睛
等待新循環再次開始。」
等待新循環再次開始。」
12:25
Which means most human beings
are at war with reality
are at war with reality
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這意味著，大部份人
半數時間和現實交戰。
12:29
50 percent of the time.
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12:32
The mature identity
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成熟的個性，
12:37
is able to live in the full cycle.
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能走過完整的循環。
12:40
The second illusion is,
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第二個幻覺是，
12:42
I can construct a life
in which I will not have my heart broken.
in which I will not have my heart broken.
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我可以建立一個
身在其中不會心碎人生，。
身在其中不會心碎人生，。
12:47
Romance is the first place
we start to do it.
we start to do it.
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我們的起始之地是戀愛。
12:49
When you're at the beginning
of a new romance or a new marriage,
of a new romance or a new marriage,
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你在一段新戀情或新婚的開始，
12:53
you say, "I have found the person
who will not break my heart."
who will not break my heart."
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說：「我找到不會讓我心碎的人了。」
12:57
I'm sorry;
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很抱歉；
12:59
you have chosen them out unconsciously
for that exact core competency.
for that exact core competency.
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你已無意識地選了他們
以獲得那確切的核心。
以獲得那確切的核心。
13:04
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
13:05
They will break your heart.
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他們會讓你心碎。
13:07
Why?
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為什麼？
13:08
Because you care about them.
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因為你在乎他們。
13:10
You look at parenting, yeah?
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看看養育子女，好吧？
13:12
Parenting: "I will be
the perfect mother and father."
the perfect mother and father."
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養育子女：「我會是完美的父母。」
13:16
Your children will break your heart.
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你的孩子會讓你心碎。
13:18
And they don't even have to do
anything spectacular or dramatic.
anything spectacular or dramatic.
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甚至不必壯觀或戲劇性地
做些什麼就辦得到。
做些什麼就辦得到。
13:23
But usually, they do do something
spectacular or dramatic --
spectacular or dramatic --
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但，通常他們會做些
壯觀或戲劇性的事——
壯觀或戲劇性的事——
13:27
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
13:28
to break your heart.
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來讓你心碎。
13:30
And then they live with you
as spies and saboteurs for years,
as spies and saboteurs for years,
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接著，他們會以間諜
和蓄意破壞者的身分與你同住數年，
和蓄意破壞者的身分與你同住數年，
13:33
watching your every psychological move,
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監看你每一心理動向，
13:36
and spotting your every weakness.
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發現你每一弱點。
13:39
And one day,
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有一天，
13:40
when they're about 14 years old,
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當他們大約 14 歲時，
13:42
with your back turned to them,
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當你背對他們時，
13:43
in the kitchen,
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在廚房中，
13:45
while you're making something for them --
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當你在為他們煮食時——
13:47
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
13:48
the psychological stiletto goes in.
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心理的短劍就會插進來。
13:50
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
13:53
(Applause)
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（掌聲）
13:58
And you say, "How did you know
exactly where to place it?"
exactly where to place it?"
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你問：「你怎麼知道
刺下劍的確切地點？」
刺下劍的確切地點？」
14:02
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
14:03
And they say,
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他們說：
14:04
"I've been watching you for --
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「我一直在看著你，已經——
14:06
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
14:07
a good few years."
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好多年了。」
14:11
And then we hope that our armored,
professional personalities
professional personalities
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接著，我們希望武裝起來的專業特性
14:17
will prevent us from having our
heart broken in work.
heart broken in work.
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能讓我們避免在工作時心碎。
14:20
But if you're sincere about your work,
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但如果你對工作是真誠的，
14:23
it should break your heart.
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它應該會讓你心碎。
14:26
You should get to thresholds
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你應該會達到你
14:27
where you do not know how to proceed.
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不知該怎麼進行下去的那門檻。
14:32
You do not know how to get
from here to there.
from here to there.
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你不知道要如何從這裡到那裡。
14:36
What does that do?
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那會有什麼影響？
14:37
It puts you into a proper
relationship with reality.
relationship with reality.
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它會讓你與現實有個適當的關係。
14:41
Why?
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為什麼？
14:42
Because you have to ask for help.
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因為你得要求助。
14:50
Heartbreak.
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心碎。
14:52
We don't have a choice about heartbreak,
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心碎不是我們能選擇要不要的。
14:54
we only have a choice
of having our hearts broken
of having our hearts broken
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我們只能夠選擇要為了
14:58
over people and things and projects
that we deeply care about.
that we deeply care about.
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深刻在乎的人、事物、專案而心碎。
15:05
And the last illusion is,
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最後一個幻覺是
15:07
I can somehow plan enough
and arrange things
and arrange things
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我能夠做足夠的計畫與安排，
15:11
that I will be able to see
the path to the end
the path to the end
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讓我能夠看見從我現在所在，
15:15
right from where I'm standing,
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一路通往終點的路，
15:17
right to the horizon.
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一路到達地平線。
15:20
But when you think about it,
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但當你仔細想想，
15:22
the only environment
in which that would be true
in which that would be true
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這個說法只在一個環境會成立，
15:25
would be a flat desert,
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那就是平坦的沙漠，
15:28
empty of any other life.
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沒有其他生命的空曠之地。
15:33
But even in a flat desert,
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但即使在平坦的沙漠，
15:34
the curvature of the earth
would take the path away from you.
would take the path away from you.
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地球的曲度也會讓你看不見路。
15:38
So, no;
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所以，不；
15:40
you see the path,
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你會看見路，
15:41
and then you don't
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接著又看不見，
15:43
and then you see it again.
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然後又會再看見。
15:45
So this is "Santiago,"
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所以，這是《聖雅各》，
15:48
the supposed arrival,
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應當的抵達，
15:51
which is a kind of return
to the beginning all at the same time.
to the beginning all at the same time.
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有點像是同時返回到最初。
15:55
We have this experience of the journey,
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我們有旅程的經歷，
15:58
which is in all of our great
spiritual traditions,
spiritual traditions,
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在所有我們偉大的朝聖靈性
16:00
of pilgrimage.
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傳統當中。
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But just by actually standing
in the ground of your life fully,
in the ground of your life fully,
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但實際完全地堅守你人生的陣地，
16:06
not trying to abstract yourself
into a strategic future
into a strategic future
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不試圖將你自己
抽象化成策略性的未來，
抽象化成策略性的未來，
16:10
that's actually just an escape
from present heartbreak;
from present heartbreak;
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那其實是種逃避當前心碎的方式；
16:14
the ability to stand
in the ground of your life
in the ground of your life
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堅守你人生陣地的能力，
16:16
and to look at the horizon
that is pulling you --
that is pulling you --
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看向在拉著你的地平線的能力——
16:20
in that moment,
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在那一刻，
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you are the whole journey.
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你就是整個旅程。
16:23
You are the whole conversation.
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你就是整個交談。
16:27
"Santiago."
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《聖雅各》
16:28
"The road seen, then not seen
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「看見的道路，接著看不見了，
16:31
the road seen, then not seen
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看見的道路，接著看不見了，
16:36
the hillside hiding then revealing
the way you should take
the way you should take
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山坡隱藏了你應該走的路，
接著又揭示了它，
接著又揭示了它，
16:40
the road seen, then not seen
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看見的道路，接著看不見了，
16:43
the hillside hiding then revealing
the way you should take,
the way you should take,
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山坡隱藏了你應該走的路，
接著又揭示了它，
接著又揭示了它，
16:48
the road dropping away from you
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道路離開了你，
16:52
as if leaving you to walk on thin air,
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彷彿讓你獨自在走在稀薄的空氣上，
16:57
then catching you,
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然後接住你，
16:58
catching you,
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接住你，
16:59
holding you up,
when you thought you would fall,
when you thought you would fall,
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在你以為你會落下的時候，扶住你，
17:02
catching you,
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接住你，
17:03
holding you up,
when you thought you would fall,
when you thought you would fall,
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在你以為你會落下的時候，扶住你，
17:05
and the way forward
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而向前的路，
17:07
the way forward always in the end
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向前的路
最後總是你來的路，
17:11
the way that you came,
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17:12
the way forward always in the end
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向前的路
最後總是你來的路，
17:14
the way that you came,
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17:15
the way that you followed,
the way that carried you into your future,
the way that carried you into your future,
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你遵循的路，帶你進入未來的路，
17:19
that brought you to this place,
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帶你來到這個地方的路，
17:20
that brought you to this place,
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帶你來到這個地方的路，
17:23
no matter that it sometimes
had to take your promise from you,
had to take your promise from you,
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不論它有時必須要奪去你的承諾，
17:28
no matter that it always
had to break your heart along the way:
had to break your heart along the way:
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不論它總是必須要
在過程中讓你心碎；
在過程中讓你心碎；
17:34
the sense
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這感覺，
17:35
the sense of having walked
from deep inside yourself
from deep inside yourself
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這已經走過自己內在深處，
17:40
out into the revelation,
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走出到啟示的感覺，
17:43
to have risked yourself
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已經自己冒過險，
17:45
for something that seemed to stand
both inside you and far beyond you,
both inside you and far beyond you,
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為了某樣東西冒險，它似乎同時
在你內在以及遠在你之外，
在你內在以及遠在你之外，
17:51
and that called you back in the end
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最終呼喚你回來
17:53
to the only road you could follow,
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到你可以遵循的唯一道路，
17:56
walking as you did, in your rags of love
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像你之前那樣行走，
穿著愛的襤褸衣衫，
穿著愛的襤褸衣衫，
18:00
walking as you did, in your rags of love
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像你之前那樣行走，
穿著愛的襤褸衣衫，
穿著愛的襤褸衣衫，
18:03
and speaking in the voice that by night
became a prayer for safe arrival,
became a prayer for safe arrival,
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說話的聲音在晚上
變成安全抵達的祈禱，
變成安全抵達的祈禱，
18:10
so that one day
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所以，有一天，
18:12
one day you realized
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有一天你了解到
18:14
that what you wanted
had actually already happened
had actually already happened
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你所想要的其實已經發生了，
18:18
one day you realized
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有一天你了解到
18:20
that what you wanted
had actually already happened
had actually already happened
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你所想要的其實已經發生了，
18:22
and long ago
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很早就發生了，
18:23
and in the dwelling place
in which you lived before you began,
in which you lived before you began,
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在你開始之前所居住的地方，
18:27
and that
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以及
18:28
and that every step along the way,
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以及路上的每一步，
18:31
every step along the way,
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路上的每一步，
18:33
you had carried the heart
and the mind and the promise
and the mind and the promise
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你都可以帶著
那心、那精神、那承諾，
那心、那精神、那承諾，
18:36
that first set you off
and then drew you on,
and then drew you on,
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最初是它們讓你啟程的，
吸引你靠近的，
吸引你靠近的，
18:39
and that
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而且
18:41
and that you were more marvelous
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你想要找到一條路的簡單願望
18:45
in your simple wish to find a way
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讓更你是非凡，
18:48
you were more marvelous
in your simple wish to find a way
in your simple wish to find a way
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你想要找到一條路的簡單願望
讓更你是非凡，
讓更你是非凡，
18:52
than the gilded roofs
of any destination you could reach
of any destination you could reach
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比你能企及的任何目的地之
鍍金屋頂還要更非凡，
鍍金屋頂還要更非凡，
18:56
you were more marvelous
in that simple wish to find a way
in that simple wish to find a way
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你想要找到一條路的簡單願望
讓更你是非凡，
讓更你是非凡，
19:00
than the gilded roofs
of any destination you could reach:
of any destination you could reach:
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比你能企及的任何目的地之
鍍金屋頂還要更非凡，
鍍金屋頂還要更非凡，
19:03
as if, all along,
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彷彿，自始至終，
19:04
you had thought the end point
might be a city with golden domes,
might be a city with golden domes,
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你認為終點可能是個有著黃金圓屋頂
19:07
and cheering crowds,
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以及歡呼群眾的城市，
19:08
and turning the corner
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就在你認為是
19:10
at what you thought
was the end of the road,
was the end of the road,
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道路盡頭的地方，轉過轉角，
19:15
you found just a simple reflection,
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你發現的只是一個簡單的映影，
19:19
and a clear revelation
beneath the face looking back
beneath the face looking back
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以及那回望的面孔底下的清楚啟示，
19:22
and beneath it another invitation,
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在它底下有著另一項邀請，
19:27
all in one glimpse
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全都在一瞥之間，
19:29
all in one glimpse:
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全都在一瞥之間：
19:31
like a person
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就像一個人，
19:33
like a person or a place
you had sought forever
you had sought forever
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就像你永遠在尋找的
一個人或一個地方，
一個人或一個地方，
19:37
like a person or a place
you had sought forever,
you had sought forever,
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就像你永遠在尋找的
一個人或一個地方，
一個人或一個地方，
19:40
like a bold field of freedom
that beckoned you beyond;
that beckoned you beyond;
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就像一個英勇的原野，
在更遠處召喚著你；
在更遠處召喚著你；
19:45
like another life
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就像另一個人生，
19:46
like another life,
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就像另一個人生，
19:48
and the road
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而道路，
19:49
the road still stretching on."
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道路仍延展下去。」
19:54
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19:55
Thank you.
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謝謝。
19:56
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20:01
Thank you.
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謝謝。
20:02
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20:07
Thank you very much. Thank you.
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非常謝謝，謝謝。
20:10
You're very kind. Thank you.
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你們真好，謝謝。
20:11
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ABOUT THE SPEAKER
David Whyte - Poet, authorDavid Whyte writes at the intersection of interior and exterior worlds, what he calls the conversational nature of reality, bringing new territory into view with his distinctly personal style.
Why you should listen
David Whyte grew up amid the grounded practicalities of Yorkshire, England, of a very imaginative, storytelling Irish mother. Not choosing between these two sides is what perhaps gave him his first insight into the complexities of human identity. He is quoted as saying that all of his poetry and philosophy is based on what he calls "the conversational nature of reality." His time as a scientist and naturalist fuide in the Galapagos Islands led him to explore what he calls the frontier nature of human identity. Whyte draws from this diverse background and a deep philosophical curiosity to craft poetry and prose that is at once highly relatable, yet altogether new. His work spans the worlds of literature, philosophy and organizational leadership, making him a clear, wise voice in an increasingly complex world.
His books include The Sea in You: Twenty Poems of Requited and Unrequited Love; The Three Marriages: Reimagining Work, Self and Relationship; River Flow: New & Selected Poems; Consolations: The Solace, Nourishment and Underlying Meaning of Everyday Words and Pilgrim.
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