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David Whyte: A lyrical bridge between past, present and future
大卫·怀特 David Whyte: 过去，现在，未来之间的诗歌的桥梁
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大卫怀特以他独特的魅力和洞察力，在过去，未来，和未来的前沿冥想，为大家分享了两首他受侄女在西班牙的圣地亚哥-德孔波斯特拉徒步旅行启发而创作的诗歌。
David Whyte - Poet, author
David Whyte writes at the intersection of interior and exterior worlds, what he calls the conversational nature of reality, bringing new territory into view with his distinctly personal style. Full bio
David Whyte writes at the intersection of interior and exterior worlds, what he calls the conversational nature of reality, bringing new territory into view with his distinctly personal style. Full bio
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The youthful perspective on the future,
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用年轻人的眼光来看待未来，
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the present perspective on the future
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用当前的眼光来看待未来，
00:19
and the future, mature
perspective on the future --
perspective on the future --
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用成熟的眼光来看待未来
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I'd like to try and bring
all those three tenses together
all those three tenses together
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今天晚上，我会尝试去把这三个时态放在
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in one identity tonight.
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同一个个体上
00:31
And you could say
that the poet, in many ways,
that the poet, in many ways,
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你可以用很多不同的方法说那是一个诗人，
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looks at what I call
"the conversational nature of reality."
"the conversational nature of reality."
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看到了“现实的对话本质”
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And you ask yourself:
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你可以问自己
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What is the conversational
nature of reality?
nature of reality?
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什么是现实的对话本质
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The conversational nature
of reality is the fact
of reality is the fact
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事实上，现实的对话本质是
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that whatever you desire of the world --
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不论你对这个世界有何渴望--
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whatever you desire of your partner
in a marriage or a love relationship,
in a marriage or a love relationship,
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不论你对婚姻或者爱情对你的伴侣有何渴望，
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whatever you desire of your children,
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不论你对你的小孩有何渴望，
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whatever you desire of the people
who work for you or with you,
who work for you or with you,
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不论你对跟你工作或者为你工作的人有何渴望
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or your world --
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或者是你的世界
01:01
will not happen exactly
as you would like it to happen.
as you would like it to happen.
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不会跟你想像的完全一样地实现
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But equally,
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但公平地说
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whatever the world desires of us --
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世界对我们的渴望
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whatever our partner,
our child, our colleague,
our child, our colleague,
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我们的伴侣，小孩，同事
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our industry,
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工作，
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our future demands of us,
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未来对我们的需求
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will also not happen.
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也并不会都得到实现
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And what actually happens
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其实真正发生的
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is this frontier
between what you think is you
between what you think is you
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是一个前沿，是“你认为的你”
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and what you think is not you.
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和那个“你认为不是你的你”的边界地
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And this frontier of actual meeting
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这个边境的相遇
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between what we call a self
and what we call the world
and what we call the world
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我们所谓的自我， 所谓的世界
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is the only place, actually,
where things are real.
where things are real.
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两者相交的边界才是唯一真实的地方
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But it's quite astonishing,
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但非常惊人的是
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how little time we spend
at this conversational frontier,
at this conversational frontier,
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我们在这个对话边界上话的时间太少了
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and not abstracted away from it
in one strategy or another.
in one strategy or another.
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没有用这样那样的策略来从中抽取什么
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I was coming through immigration,
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我是移民來的
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which is quite a dramatic
border at the moment,
border at the moment,
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当时是很富有戏剧化的边境
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into the US last year,
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去年到了美國
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and, you know, you get off
an international flight
an international flight
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及想必你也知道，当由国际航班起程
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across the Atlantic,
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飞越大西洋
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and you're not in the best place;
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你不是在最好的地方
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you're not at your most
spiritually mature.
spiritually mature.
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你的心智也不是处于最佳状态
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You're quite impatient
with the rest of humanity, in fact.
with the rest of humanity, in fact.
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事实上你没耐心关心他人
02:12
So when you get up to immigration
with your shirt collar out
with your shirt collar out
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所以当你衣领不整地去见移民官
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and a day's growth of beard,
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一天都没刮胡子
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and you have very little patience,
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你有点不耐烦
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and the immigration officer
looked at my passport
looked at my passport
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移民官看了你的护照
02:24
and said, "What do you do, Mr. Whyte?"
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问："Whyte先生，你是从事什么工作的？
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I said, "I work with the conversational
nature of reality."
nature of reality."
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我回答："我是搞现实的对话本质工作的"
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(Laughter)
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（笑声）
02:36
And he leaned forward over his podium
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他向前靠了一下
02:39
and he said, "I needed you last night."
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说：“我昨晚需要你。”
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(Laughter)
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（笑声）
02:44
(Applause)
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（掌声）
02:48
And I said, "I'm sorry,
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我说：“对不起，
02:49
my powers as a poet
and philosopher only go so far.
and philosopher only go so far.
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诗人和哲学家的能力是有限的
02:52
I'm not sure I can --"
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恐怕我帮不上忙。。。”
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But before we knew it,
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但不知不觉
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we were into a conversation
about his marriage.
about his marriage.
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我们聊起了他的婚姻
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Here he was in his uniform,
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他穿着制服
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and the interesting thing was,
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有趣的是
03:02
he was looking up and down
the row of officers
the row of officers
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他不停打量着整排的移民官们，
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to make sure his supervisor didn't see
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确保他的上司没看见他
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that we was having a real conversation.
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正在进行一次真实的交流
03:11
But all of us live
at this conversational frontier
at this conversational frontier
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但我们所有人都生活在这个
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with the future.
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与未来的交谈边界上。
03:16
I'd like to put you in the shoes
of my Irish niece,
of my Irish niece,
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我希望在座各位想象成是我的爱尔兰侄女
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Marlene McCormack,
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Marlene McCormack,
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standing on a cliff edge
on the western coast of Spain,
on the western coast of Spain,
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站在西班牙西岸的悬崖边，
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overlooking the broad Atlantic.
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眺望着广大的大西洋
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Twenty-three years old,
she's just walked 500 miles
she's just walked 500 miles
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她二十三岁，刚走了500英里
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from Saint Jean Pied de Port
on the French side of the Pyrenees,
on the French side of the Pyrenees,
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从位在庇里牛斯山法国那一面的圣让皮耶德波尔，
03:34
all the way across Northern Spain,
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一路走到西班牙北部，
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on this very famous,
old and contemporary pilgrimage
old and contemporary pilgrimage
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这是一趟非常著名、古老、现代的朝圣之旅
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called the Camino de Santiago
de Compostela --
de Compostela --
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西班牙文叫「Camino de Santiago de Compostela」
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the Path to Santiago of Compostela.
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意思是：通往康波斯特拉之圣雅各的道路
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And when you get to Santiago, actually,
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事实上当你到了圣雅各，
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it can be something of an anticlimax,
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你可能感到有些扫兴
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because there are 100,000
people living there
people living there
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因为这里有100,000人居住
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who are not necessarily applauding you
as you're coming into town.
as you're coming into town.
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他们不会对你夹道欢迎
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(Laughter)
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（笑声）
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And 10,000 of them are trying to sell you
a memento of your journey.
a memento of your journey.
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其中10000人会向你推销这趟旅行的纪念品
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But you do have the possibility
of going on for three more days
of going on for three more days
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但你很有机会在未来三天继续
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to this place where Marlene stood,
called, in Spanish, Finisterre,
called, in Spanish, Finisterre,
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去到這Marlene站立的地方，在西班牙文称为菲尼斯泰爾，
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in English, Finisterre,
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英文称作菲尼斯泰尔，
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from the Latin,
meaning "the ends of the earth,"
meaning "the ends of the earth,"
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拉丁文意思为"地球的尽头"
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the place where ground turns to ocean;
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一个由陆地连接到海洋的地方；
04:25
the place where your present
turns into the future.
turns into the future.
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一个帮你从现在转变为未来的地方。
04:30
And Marlene had walked this way --
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而玛琳走过了这段路–
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she just graduated as a 23-year-old
from the University of Sligo
from the University of Sligo
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她23岁， 刚从斯莱戈大学毕业，
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with a degree in Irish drama.
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取得了爱尔兰戏剧学位。
04:38
And she said to me, "I don't think
the major corporations of the world
the major corporations of the world
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她对我说：我不认为世界上的大企业
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will be knocking on my door."
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会找上我的门来。
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I said, "Listen, I've worked
in corporations all over the world
in corporations all over the world
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我说：听着，我数十年来曾在全世界的
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for decades;
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大企业中工作；
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a degree in drama is what would most
prepare you for the adult --
prepare you for the adult --
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戏剧的学位为你进入成人世界做好了最好的准备
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(Laughter)
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（笑声）
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corporate world."
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企业世界。
04:53
(Applause)
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（掌声）
04:55
But she said, "I'm not
interested in that, anyway.
interested in that, anyway.
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但她说：反正我对那也没有兴趣。
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I don't want to teach drama,
I want to become a dramatist.
I want to become a dramatist.
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我不想要教戏剧，我想要成为剧作家。
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I want to write plays.
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我想要写剧本。
05:04
So I walked the Camino
in order to give myself some courage,
in order to give myself some courage,
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所以我走了圣雅各的道路，想给我自己一些勇气，
05:08
in order to walk into my future."
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才能走入我的未来。
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And I said, "What was the most powerful
moment you had on the whole Camino,
moment you had on the whole Camino,
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我说：在圣雅各的道路上，你经历到最强大
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the very most powerful moment?"
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的时刻是什么？
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She said, "I had many powerful moments,
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她说：有许多强大的时刻，
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but you know, the most powerful
moment was post-Camino,
moment was post-Camino,
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但，最强大的时刻是在走完圣雅各的道路之后，
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was the three days you go on from Santiago
and come to this cliff edge.
and come to this cliff edge.
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是从圣雅各到那悬崖边缘的那三天。
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And you go through three rituals.
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你要经过三个仪式。
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The first ritual is to eat
a tapas plate of scallops" --
a tapas plate of scallops" --
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第一个仪式是要吃一小盘扇贝肉
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or if you're vegetarian,
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如果你吃素，
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to contemplate the scallop shell.
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那就凝视着扇贝壳就好。
05:36
(Laughter)
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（笑声）
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Because the scallop shell has been
the icon and badge of your walk,
the icon and badge of your walk,
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因为扇贝壳是你这段步行的象征和标记，
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and every arrow
that you have seen along that way
that you have seen along that way
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而你一路上所见到的每一个箭头，
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has been pointing underneath
a scallop shell.
a scallop shell.
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都是放在一个扇贝壳的下方。
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So really, this first ritual is saying:
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所以，其实第一个仪式在说的是：
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How did you get to this place?
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你怎么到达这个地方的？
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How did you follow the path to get here?
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你怎么循着路到达这里的？
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How do you hold the conversation of life
when you feel unbesieged,
when you feel unbesieged,
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当在没有被人围绕时，没有被欺负时，独自一人时，
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when you're unbullied,
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你如何跟自己进行
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when you're left to yourself?
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人生的谈话？
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How do you hold the conversation of life
that brings you to this place?
that brings you to this place?
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你如何跟那个把你带到此地的人生谈话？
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And the second ritual is that you burn
something that you've brought.
something that you've brought.
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而第二个仪式，是你要把你带来的某样东西烧掉。
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I said, "What did you burn, Marlene?"
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我说：“玛琳，你烧掉了什么？”
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She said, "I burned a letter
and two postcards."
and two postcards."
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她说：“我烧掉了一封信和两张明信片。”
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I said, "Astonishing.
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我说：“好惊人。
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Twenty-three years old and you have paper.
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23 岁的人会带纸。
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I can't believe it."
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我都不敢相信。 ”
06:25
(Laughter)
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（笑声）
06:26
I'm sure there's a Camino app
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我相信一定有圣雅各道路 app，
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where you can just delete
a traumatic text, you know?
a traumatic text, you know?
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让你可以删除创伤性文字，你知道吗？
06:32
(Laughter)
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（笑声）
06:34
It will engage the flashlight,
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它会配上闪光，
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imbue it with color
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充满了颜色，
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and disappear in a firework of flames.
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在火焰中当中消失。
06:42
But you either bring a letter
or you write one there,
or you write one there,
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但你若没有带信到那里，你可以在那里写一封，
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and you burn it.
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然后烧掉它。
06:46
And of course we know intuitively
what is on those letters and postcards.
what is on those letters and postcards.
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当然，我们凭直觉都知道信上和明信片上写的是什么。
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It's a form of affection and love
that is now no longer extant, yeah?
that is now no longer extant, yeah?
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是现在已经不复存在的感情与爱的一种形式，对吗？
06:58
And then the third ritual:
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接着，第三个仪式：
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between all these fires
are large piles of clothes.
are large piles of clothes.
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在这些火当中的是大堆大堆的衣物。
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And you leave an item of clothing
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你留下一件帮你抵达
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that has helped you to get to this place.
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这个地方的衣着物品。
07:12
And I said to Marlene,
"What did you leave at the cliff edge?"
"What did you leave at the cliff edge?"
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我对玛琳说：“你在悬崖边缘留下了什么？”
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She said, "I left my boots --
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她说：我留下了我的靴子–
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the very things
that I walked in, actually.
that I walked in, actually.
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就是我穿着走到那里的靴子。
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They were beautiful boots,
I loved those boots,
I loved those boots,
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那双靴子很漂亮，我很爱它，
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but they were finished
after seven weeks of walking.
after seven weeks of walking.
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但经过七周的行走之后，它已经没用了。
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So I walked away in my trainers,
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所以我穿着运动鞋离开，
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but I left my boots there."
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把我的靴子留在那里。
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She said, "It was really incredible.
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她说：那真的很难以置信。
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The most powerful moment was,
the sun was going down,
the sun was going down,
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最强大的时刻是太阳西下，
07:33
but the full moon was coming up behind me.
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但满月却从我后面升起。
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And the full moon was illuminated
by the dying sun in such a powerful way
by the dying sun in such a powerful way
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而满月被落日用一种很强大的方式给照亮，
07:42
that even after the sun
had dropped below the horizon,
had dropped below the horizon,
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即使太阳已经落到地平线之下，
07:45
the moon could still see that sun.
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月亮仍然能够看见太阳。
07:49
And I had a moon shadow,
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而我有个月影，
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and I was looking at my moon shadow
walking across the Atlantic,
walking across the Atlantic,
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我看着这个被月亮照出的影子走过大西洋，
07:57
across this ocean.
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走过这海洋。
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And I thought,
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我心想：
08:00
'Oh! That's my new self
going into the future.'
going into the future.'
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『喔！那就是我的新自我，走入未来。 』
08:03
But suddenly I realized
the sun was falling further.
the sun was falling further.
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但，突然间，我发现到，太阳又落下更多。
08:09
The moon was losing its reflection,
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月亮失去了它的反射，
08:13
and my shadow was disappearing.
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而我的影子消失了。
08:15
The most powerful moment
I had on the whole Camino
I had on the whole Camino
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我在这整段道路上经历到最强大的时刻，
08:18
was when I realized I myself
had to walk across that unknown sea
had to walk across that unknown sea
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就是当我了解到，我自己需要走过这个未知的海洋，
08:24
into my future."
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走入了我的未来。
08:27
Well, I was so taken by this story,
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我对这个故事非常着迷，
08:29
I wrote this piece for her.
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我为她写了这个作品。
08:31
We were driving at the time;
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当时我们在开车，
08:32
we got home, I sat on the couch,
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我们回到家，我坐在沙发上，
08:34
I wrote until two in the morning --
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我一直写到半夜两点–
08:36
everyone had gone to bed --
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每个人都入睡了–
08:37
and I gave it to Marlene
at breakfast time.
at breakfast time.
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我在早餐的时候把它给了玛琳。
08:40
It's called, "Finisterre,"
for Marlene McCormack.
for Marlene McCormack.
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它叫做 ”菲尼斯特雷“，献给玛琳马可麦克。
08:46
"The road in the end
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“道路到了尽头，
08:47
the road in the end
taking the path the sun had taken
taking the path the sun had taken
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道路到了尽头，走过了太阳的旅程，
08:52
the road in the end
taking the path the run had taken
taking the path the run had taken
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道路到了尽头，走过必经的途径，
08:56
into the western sea
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进入西方的海洋，
08:58
the road in the end
taking the path the sun had taken
taking the path the sun had taken
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道路到了尽头，走过了太阳的旅程，
09:01
into the western sea
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进入西方的海洋，
09:03
and the moon
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而月亮，
09:04
the moon rising behind you
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月亮从你身后升起，
09:07
as you stood where ground turned to ocean:
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当你站在陆地海洋交界的地方
09:11
no way to your future now
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现在没了通往你未来的道路，
09:13
no way to your future now
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现在没了通往你未来的道路，
09:14
except the way your shadow could take,
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除了你的影子能走上的路，
09:17
walking before you across water,
going where shadows go,
going where shadows go,
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走在你前面，跨越水面，去到影子所去之处，
09:20
no way to make sense of a world
that wouldn't let you pass
that wouldn't let you pass
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无法了解一个不让你通过的世界，
09:25
except to call an end
to the way you had come,
to the way you had come,
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除了宣称你所走过的路到了尽头，
09:30
to take out each letter you had brought
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只能取出你带来的信件
09:35
and light their illumined corners;
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点燃它们的发光的一角
09:38
and to read them as they drifted
on the late western light;
on the late western light;
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借夕阳掠过的光芒再一次阅读上面的文字
09:43
to empty your bags
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清空你的袋子，
09:44
to empty your bags;
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清空你的袋子；
09:45
to sort this and to leave that
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把这个分类、把那个留下，
09:48
to sort this and to leave that;
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把这个分类、把那个留下；
09:52
to promise what you needed
to promise all along
to promise all along
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承诺你所需要的，打从开始就一直承诺，
09:56
to promise what you needed
to promise all along,
to promise all along,
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承诺你所需要承诺的，一如既往地承诺，
09:59
and to abandon the shoes
that brought you here
that brought you here
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丢弃那带你来到这里的鞋子，
10:03
right at the water's edge,
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丢弃在水的边缘，
10:05
not because you had given up
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不是因为你已经放弃，
10:07
not because you had given up
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不是因为你已经放弃，
10:09
but because now,
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而是因为现在，
10:10
you would find a different way to tread,
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你会找到一条不同的归途
10:13
and because, through it all,
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也因为，透过它，
10:14
part of you would still walk on,
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你的一部份将会继续走下去，
10:17
no matter how,
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不论如何，
10:18
over the waves."
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走过波浪。 “
10:22
"Finisterre."
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「菲尼斯特雷」。
10:23
For Marlene McCormack --
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献给玛琳马可麦克–
10:25
(Applause)
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（掌声）
10:35
who has already had
her third play performed
her third play performed
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她已经有三部戏剧作品上演了
10:37
in off-off-off-off-Broadway --
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在远离百老汇的剧界，
10:41
in Dublin.
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在都柏林。
10:42
(Laughter)
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（笑声）
10:43
But she's on her way.
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但她在向前进了。
10:45
This is the last piece.
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这是最后一件作品。
10:47
This is about the supposed arrival
at the sum of all of our endeavors.
at the sum of all of our endeavors.
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它说的是在我们努力的顶点，应当的抵达。
10:53
In Santiago itself --
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在圣雅各本身–
10:55
it could be Santiago,
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可以是圣雅各，
10:56
it could be Mecca,
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可以是麦加，
10:57
it could be Varanasi,
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可以是瓦拉纳西，
10:59
it could be Kyoto,
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可以是京都，
11:00
it could be that threshold
you've set for yourself,
you've set for yourself,
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可以是你为你自己设定的门槛，
11:05
the disturbing approach
to the consummation of all your goals.
to the consummation of all your goals.
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用让人不安的方法，用来完成你所有目标。
11:13
And one of the difficulties
about walking into your life,
about walking into your life,
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要走入你的人生，要来到这身体内，
11:17
about coming into this body,
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完全进入这世界，
11:19
into this world fully,
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困难点之一就是
11:22
is you start to realize
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你开始了解到
11:24
that you have manufactured
three abiding illusions
three abiding illusions
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你已经制造出了三个持久的幻觉，
11:30
that the rest of humanity has shared
with you since the beginning of time.
with you since the beginning of time.
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打从一开始，其他的人类就与你共享这些幻觉。
11:34
And the first illusion
is that you can somehow construct a life
is that you can somehow construct a life
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第一个幻觉就是你可以以某种方式建立一个人生，
11:39
in which you are not vulnerable.
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且你身在其中不会脆弱。
11:42
You can somehow be immune
to all of the difficulties
to all of the difficulties
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你可以对所有的困难、病痛和失去的东西
有免疫能力
11:47
and ill health and losses
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11:51
that humanity has been subject to
since the beginning of time.
since the beginning of time.
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这些都是人类从一开始就会要遭受的。
11:56
If we look out at the natural world,
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如果你向外看看自然世界，
11:57
there's no part of that world
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那个世界的每一部份
11:59
that doesn't go through cycles
of, first, incipience,
of, first, incipience,
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都会要经过循环，从最初，
12:03
or hiddenness,
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或隐藏，
12:04
but then growth, fullness,
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然后成长、健全
12:07
but then a beautiful,
to begin with, disappearance,
to begin with, disappearance,
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接着，首先，是一个美好的消失，
12:11
and then a very austere,
full disappearance.
full disappearance.
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然后是非常朴素的完整消失。
12:14
We look at that, we say,
"That's beautiful,
"That's beautiful,
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我们看着它，我们说："那真美
12:16
but can I just have the first half
of the equation, please?
of the equation, please?
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但能不能只给我这个公式的前半部分？
12:20
And when the disappearance is happening,
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当消失发生时，
12:22
I'll close my eyes and wait
for the new cycle to come around."
for the new cycle to come around."
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我会闭上眼睛等待新的循环再次开始。”
12:25
Which means most human beings
are at war with reality
are at war with reality
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这意味着，大部份的人类都和现实交战，
12:29
50 percent of the time.
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50% 的时间都是如此。
12:32
The mature identity
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而成熟的人，
12:37
is able to live in the full cycle.
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能走过完整的循环。
12:40
The second illusion is,
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第二个幻觉是，
12:42
I can construct a life
in which I will not have my heart broken.
in which I will not have my heart broken.
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我可以建立一个人生，且身在其中我的心不会碎。
12:47
Romance is the first place
we start to do it.
we start to do it.
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我们最先开始这么做的地方是恋爱。
12:49
When you're at the beginning
of a new romance or a new marriage,
of a new romance or a new marriage,
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当你在一段新恋情或新婚的开始，
12:53
you say, "I have found the person
who will not break my heart."
who will not break my heart."
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你说：“ 我找到了不会让我心碎的人。”
12:57
I'm sorry;
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很抱歉；
12:59
you have chosen them out unconsciously
for that exact core competency.
for that exact core competency.
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你在无意识中，就是根据那让你心碎的核心能力而选中他们的。
13:04
(Laughter)
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（笑声）
13:05
They will break your heart.
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他们会让你心碎。
13:07
Why?
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为什么？
13:08
Because you care about them.
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因为你在乎他们。
13:10
You look at parenting, yeah?
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来看看养育子女的过程吧？
养育子女时，大家以为 “ 我会是个完美的父母亲。”
13:12
Parenting: "I will be
the perfect mother and father."
the perfect mother and father."
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13:16
Your children will break your heart.
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你的孩子会让你心碎。
13:18
And they don't even have to do
anything spectacular or dramatic.
anything spectacular or dramatic.
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他们甚至不用做什么出格或戏剧性的事，就可以办到。
13:23
But usually, they do do something
spectacular or dramatic --
spectacular or dramatic --
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但，通常他们会做些出格或戏剧性的事–
13:27
(Laughter)
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（笑声）
13:28
to break your heart.
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来让你心碎。
13:30
And then they live with you
as spies and saboteurs for years,
as spies and saboteurs for years,
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接着，他们会以间谍和蓄意破坏者的身份与你同住数年，
13:33
watching your every psychological move,
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监看你的每一项心理对策，
13:36
and spotting your every weakness.
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发现你的每一个弱点。
13:39
And one day,
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有一天，
13:40
when they're about 14 years old,
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当他们大约 14 岁时，
13:42
with your back turned to them,
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当你背对他们时，
13:43
in the kitchen,
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在厨房中，
13:45
while you're making something for them --
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当你在为他们做食物时
13:47
(Laughter)
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（笑声）
13:48
the psychological stiletto goes in.
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心理的短剑就会插入
13:50
(Laughter)
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（笑声）
13:53
(Applause)
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（掌声）
13:58
And you say, "How did you know
exactly where to place it?"
exactly where to place it?"
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你说：「你怎么知道要把它插在哪？」
14:02
(Laughter)
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（笑声）
14:03
And they say,
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他们说：
14:04
"I've been watching you for --
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「我一直在看着你，已经有–
14:06
(Laughter)
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（笑声）
14:07
a good few years."
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好多年了。 」
14:11
And then we hope that our armored,
professional personalities
professional personalities
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接着，我们希望武装起来的职业素养
14:17
will prevent us from having our
heart broken in work.
heart broken in work.
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能让我们避免在工作时心碎。
14:20
But if you're sincere about your work,
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但如果你对你的工作是真诚的，
14:23
it should break your heart.
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它应该会让你心碎。
14:26
You should get to thresholds
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你应该会达到你
14:27
where you do not know how to proceed.
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不知该怎么进行下去的那个槛。
14:32
You do not know how to get
from here to there.
from here to there.
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你不知道要如何从这里到那里。
14:36
What does that do?
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那会有什么影响？
14:37
It puts you into a proper
relationship with reality.
relationship with reality.
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它会让你与现实有个适当的关系。
14:41
Why?
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为什么？
14:42
Because you have to ask for help.
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因为你必须寻求帮助。
14:50
Heartbreak.
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心碎。
14:52
We don't have a choice about heartbreak,
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心碎不是我们能选择要不要的。
14:54
we only have a choice
of having our hearts broken
of having our hearts broken
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心碎是我们唯一的选择
14:58
over people and things and projects
that we deeply care about.
that we deeply care about.
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人们都会为他们深深在乎的人、事物、项目而心碎。
15:05
And the last illusion is,
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最后一个幻觉是，
15:07
I can somehow plan enough
and arrange things
and arrange things
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我能够做足够的计划与安排，
15:11
that I will be able to see
the path to the end
the path to the end
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让我能够看见从现在到未来
15:15
right from where I'm standing,
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一路通往终点的路，
15:17
right to the horizon.
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一路到达地平线。
15:20
But when you think about it,
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但当你仔细想想，
15:22
the only environment
in which that would be true
in which that would be true
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只有在一个环境中，这个说法会成立，
15:25
would be a flat desert,
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那就是平坦的沙漠，
15:28
empty of any other life.
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没有其他生命的空旷之地。
15:33
But even in a flat desert,
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但即使在平坦的沙漠，
15:34
the curvature of the earth
would take the path away from you.
would take the path away from you.
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地球的曲度也会让你看不见路。
15:38
So, no;
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所以，不；
15:40
you see the path,
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你会看见路，
15:41
and then you don't
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接着又看不见，
15:43
and then you see it again.
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然后又会再看见。
15:45
So this is "Santiago,"
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所以，这是「圣雅各」，
15:48
the supposed arrival,
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所谓的抵达，
15:51
which is a kind of return
to the beginning all at the same time.
to the beginning all at the same time.
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仿佛是同时返回到最初。
15:55
We have this experience of the journey,
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我们拥有旅程的经历，
15:58
which is in all of our great
spiritual traditions,
spiritual traditions,
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在所有我们伟大的朝圣灵性
16:00
of pilgrimage.
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传统当中。
16:02
But just by actually standing
in the ground of your life fully,
in the ground of your life fully,
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但实际上完全地坚守你人生的阵地，
16:06
not trying to abstract yourself
into a strategic future
into a strategic future
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不试图将你自己抽象化成策略性的未来，
16:10
that's actually just an escape
from present heartbreak;
from present heartbreak;
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那其实是种逃避当前心碎的方式；
16:14
the ability to stand
in the ground of your life
in the ground of your life
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坚守你人生阵地的能力，
16:16
and to look at the horizon
that is pulling you --
that is pulling you --
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看着拉着你的地平线
16:20
in that moment,
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在那一刻，
16:21
you are the whole journey.
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你就是整个旅程。
16:23
You are the whole conversation.
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你就是整个交谈。
16:27
"Santiago."
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「圣雅各」。
16:28
"The road seen, then not seen
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“ 看见的道路，接着便消失了
16:31
the road seen, then not seen
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看见的道路，接着便消失了
16:36
the hillside hiding then revealing
the way you should take
the way you should take
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山坡隐藏了你应该走的路，接着又揭示了它，
16:40
the road seen, then not seen
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看见的道路，接着看不见了，
16:43
the hillside hiding then revealing
the way you should take,
the way you should take,
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山坡隐藏了你应该走的路，接着又揭示了它，
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the road dropping away from you
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道路离开了你，
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as if leaving you to walk on thin air,
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仿佛让你独自在走在稀薄的空气上，
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then catching you,
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然后接住你，
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catching you,
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接住你，
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holding you up,
when you thought you would fall,
when you thought you would fall,
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在你以为你会落下的时候，扶住你，
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catching you,
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接住你，
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holding you up,
when you thought you would fall,
when you thought you would fall,
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在你以为你会落下的时候，扶住你，
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and the way forward
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而向前的路，
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the way forward always in the end
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向前的路最后总是
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the way that you came,
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你来的路，
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the way forward always in the end
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向前的路最后总是
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the way that you came,
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你来的路，
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the way that you followed,
the way that carried you into your future,
the way that carried you into your future,
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你遵循的路，带你进入未来的路，
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that brought you to this place,
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带你来到这个地方的路，
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that brought you to this place,
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带你来到这个地方的路，
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no matter that it sometimes
had to take your promise from you,
had to take your promise from you,
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尽管它有时必须要夺去你的承诺，
17:28
no matter that it always
had to break your heart along the way:
had to break your heart along the way:
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尽管它必然要在过程中让你心碎；
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the sense
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这感觉，
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the sense of having walked
from deep inside yourself
from deep inside yourself
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这已经走过自己内在深处，
17:40
out into the revelation,
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走出来后得到启示的感觉，
17:43
to have risked yourself
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已经自己冒过险，
17:45
for something that seemed to stand
both inside you and far beyond you,
both inside you and far beyond you,
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为了某样东西冒险，它似乎同时在你内在以及远在你之外，
17:51
and that called you back in the end
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最终呼唤你回来
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to the only road you could follow,
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到你可以遵循的唯一道路，
17:56
walking as you did, in your rags of love
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像你之前那样行走，穿着爱的褴褛衣衫，
像你之前那样行走，穿着爱的褴褛衣衫，
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walking as you did, in your rags of love
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说话的声音在晚上变成安全抵达的祈祷，
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and speaking in the voice that by night
became a prayer for safe arrival,
became a prayer for safe arrival,
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so that one day
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所以，有一天，
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one day you realized
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有一天你了解到
18:14
that what you wanted
had actually already happened
had actually already happened
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你所想要的其实已经发生了，
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one day you realized
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有一天你了解到
18:20
that what you wanted
had actually already happened
had actually already happened
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你所想要的其实已经发生了，
很早就发生了，
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and long ago
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18:23
and in the dwelling place
in which you lived before you began,
in which you lived before you began,
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在有你之前就存在的你居住过的地方，
18:27
and that
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以及
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and that every step along the way,
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以及路上的每一步，
18:31
every step along the way,
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路上的每一步，
18:33
you had carried the heart
and the mind and the promise
and the mind and the promise
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你都可以带着那心、那精神、那承诺，
18:36
that first set you off
and then drew you on,
and then drew you on,
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最初是它们让你启程的，吸引你靠近的，
18:39
and that
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而且
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and that you were more marvelous
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而且你想要找到一条路的简单愿望，
18:45
in your simple wish to find a way
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让你更显非凡，
18:48
you were more marvelous
in your simple wish to find a way
in your simple wish to find a way
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你想要找到一条路的简单愿望，让你更显非凡，
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than the gilded roofs
of any destination you could reach
of any destination you could reach
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比起你所能到达之任何目的地的镀金屋顶还要更非凡，
18:56
you were more marvelous
in that simple wish to find a way
in that simple wish to find a way
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你想要找到一条路的简单愿望，让你更显非凡，
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than the gilded roofs
of any destination you could reach:
of any destination you could reach:
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比起你所能到达之任何目的地的镀金屋顶还要更非凡；
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as if, all along,
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仿佛，自始至终，
19:04
you had thought the end point
might be a city with golden domes,
might be a city with golden domes,
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你认为终点可能是个有着黄金圆屋顶以及
19:07
and cheering crowds,
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欢呼群众的城市，
19:08
and turning the corner
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就在你认为是
19:10
at what you thought
was the end of the road,
was the end of the road,
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道路尽头的地方，转过转角，
19:15
you found just a simple reflection,
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你发现的只是一个简单的反射，
19:19
and a clear revelation
beneath the face looking back
beneath the face looking back
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以及那回望的面孔底下的清楚启示，
19:22
and beneath it another invitation,
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在它底下有着另一项邀请，
19:27
all in one glimpse
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全都在一瞥之间，
19:29
all in one glimpse:
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全都在一瞥之间：
19:31
like a person
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就像一个人，
19:33
like a person or a place
you had sought forever
you had sought forever
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就像你永远在寻找的一个人或一个地方，
19:37
like a person or a place
you had sought forever,
you had sought forever,
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就像你永远在寻找的一个人或一个地方，
19:40
like a bold field of freedom
that beckoned you beyond;
that beckoned you beyond;
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就像一个英勇的原野，在更远处召唤着你；
19:45
like another life
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就像另一个人生，
19:46
like another life,
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就像另一个人生，
19:48
and the road
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以及道路，
19:49
the road still stretching on."
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仍然在延续下去的道路。
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19:55
Thank you.
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谢谢。
19:56
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（掌声）
20:01
Thank you.
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谢谢。
20:02
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（掌声）
20:07
Thank you very much. Thank you.
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非常谢谢，谢谢。
20:10
You're very kind. Thank you.
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你们真好，谢谢。
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ABOUT THE SPEAKER
David Whyte - Poet, authorDavid Whyte writes at the intersection of interior and exterior worlds, what he calls the conversational nature of reality, bringing new territory into view with his distinctly personal style.
Why you should listen
David Whyte grew up amid the grounded practicalities of Yorkshire, England, of a very imaginative, storytelling Irish mother. Not choosing between these two sides is what perhaps gave him his first insight into the complexities of human identity. He is quoted as saying that all of his poetry and philosophy is based on what he calls "the conversational nature of reality." His time as a scientist and naturalist fuide in the Galapagos Islands led him to explore what he calls the frontier nature of human identity. Whyte draws from this diverse background and a deep philosophical curiosity to craft poetry and prose that is at once highly relatable, yet altogether new. His work spans the worlds of literature, philosophy and organizational leadership, making him a clear, wise voice in an increasingly complex world.
His books include The Sea in You: Twenty Poems of Requited and Unrequited Love; The Three Marriages: Reimagining Work, Self and Relationship; River Flow: New & Selected Poems; Consolations: The Solace, Nourishment and Underlying Meaning of Everyday Words and Pilgrim.
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