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Dan Dennett: Let's teach religion -- all religion -- in schools
Den Denet (Dan Dennett): Hajde da predajemo o religiji - svim religijama - u školama
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Filozof Den Denet poziva da se religija - sve religije - predaje u školama, kako bismo mogli razumeti njenu prirodu kao prirodne pojave. Zatim uzima knjigu „Svrsishodan život”, opovrgavajući tvrdnju - da bi neko bio moralan, mora da porekne evoluciju.
Dan Dennett - Philosopher, cognitive scientist
Dan Dennett thinks that human consciousness and free will are the result of physical processes. Full bio
Dan Dennett thinks that human consciousness and free will are the result of physical processes. Full bio
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It's wonderful to be back.
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Sjajno je vratiti se.
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I love this wonderful gathering.
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Volim ova divna okupljanja.
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And you must be wondering, "What on Earth?
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Mora da se pitate: „Šta je sad ovo?
00:34
Have they put up the wrong slide?"
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Postavili su pogrešan slajd?”
00:36
No, no.
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Ne, ne.
00:38
Look at this magnificent beast and ask the question -- who designed it?
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Pogledajte u ovu veličanstvenu zver
i postavite pitanje – ko ju je osmislio?
00:45
This is TED.
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00:47
This is Technology, Entertainment, Design and there's a dairy cow.
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Ovo je TED - tehnologija, zabava, dizajn -
a evo krave muzare.
To je prilično čudesno
dizajnirana životinja
dizajnirana životinja
00:54
It's a quite wonderfully designed animal.
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00:58
And I was thinking, how do I introduce this?
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i razmišljao sam - kako da započnem ovo?
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And I thought, well, maybe that old doggerel by Joyce Kilmer,
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Pa, pomislio sam, možda
sa onim starim stihom Džojsa Kilmera,
sa onim starim stihom Džojsa Kilmera,
01:05
you know: "Poems are made by fools like me,
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znate: „Pesme pišu budale kao ja,
ali samo Bog može da stvori drvo.”
ali samo Bog može da stvori drvo.”
01:07
but only God can make a tree."
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01:09
And you might say, "Well, God designed the cow."
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Mogli biste reći:
„Pa, Bog je stvorio kravu”,
„Pa, Bog je stvorio kravu”,
01:12
But, of course, God got a lot of help.
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ali, naravno, Bog je imao dosta pomoći.
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This is the ancestor of cattle.
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Ovo je predak goveda.
Ovo je tur,
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This is the Oryx.
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01:21
And it was designed by natural selection,
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a stvorila ga je prirodna selekcija,
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the process of natural selection, over many millions of years.
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proces prirodne selekcije,
tokom mnogo miliona godina.
tokom mnogo miliona godina.
01:27
And then it became domesticated thousands of years ago.
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Zatim je pripitomljen
pre nekoliko hiljada godina,
pre nekoliko hiljada godina,
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And human beings became its stewards,
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a ljudska bića postala su
njegovi upravnici
njegovi upravnici
i, čak ne znajući šta rade,
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and, without even knowing what they were doing,
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01:39
they gradually redesigned it and redesigned it and redesigned it.
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postepeno su ga iznova i iznova stvarali.
01:43
And then, more recently, they really began
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Zatim, u skorije vreme, počeli su
da rade na obrnutom inženjeringu ove zveri
da rade na obrnutom inženjeringu ove zveri
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to do sort of reverse engineering on this beast
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and figure out just what the parts were, how they worked
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i da shvataju od kojih delova se sastoji,
kako oni funkcionišu
kako oni funkcionišu
01:52
and how they might be optimized -- how they might be made better.
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i kako se mogu optimizirati -
kako se mogu učiniti boljima.
kako se mogu učiniti boljima.
01:57
Now why am I talking about cows?
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E, sad, zašto pričam o kravama?
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Because I want to say that much the same thing is true of religions.
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Zato što želim da kažem da
slična stvar važi i za religije.
slična stvar važi i za religije.
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Religions are natural phenomena.
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Religije su prirodne pojave -
prirodne su kao i krave.
prirodne su kao i krave.
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They're just as natural as cows.
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02:11
They have evolved over millennia.
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Razvijale su se tokom milenijuma.
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They have a biological base, just like the Oryx.
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Imaju biološku osnovu, kao i tur.
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They have become domesticated, and human beings
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Pripitomljene su,
a ljudska bića su iznova stvarala
svoje religije hiljadama godina.
svoje religije hiljadama godina.
02:23
have been redesigning their religions for thousands of years.
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02:29
This is TED, and I want to talk about design.
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Ovo je TED i želim da pričam o dizajnu
02:33
Because what I've been doing for the last four years,
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jer sam u protekle četiri godine -
otkad ste me poslednji put videli,
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really since the first time you saw me -- some of you saw me at TED
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a neki od vas su me videli
kada sam pričao o religiji -
kada sam pričao o religiji -
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when I was talking about religion, and in the last four years
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a protekle četiri godine
02:42
I've been working just about non-stop on this topic.
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neprestano sam radio
na ovoj tematici.
na ovoj tematici.
02:45
And you might say it's about the reverse engineering of religions.
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Mogli biste reći da je to
o obrnutom inženjeringu religija.
o obrnutom inženjeringu religija.
02:51
Now that very idea, I think, strikes terror in many people,
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Sama ta ideja, mislim, pokreće strah,
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or anger, or anxiety of one sort or another.
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bes ili nekakav nemir kod mnogih ljudi,
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And that is the spell that I want to break.
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a to je začaranost
koju želim da prekinem.
koju želim da prekinem.
03:05
I want to say, no, religions are an important natural phenomenon.
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Želim da kažem - ne, religije su
važna prirodna pojava.
važna prirodna pojava.
Treba da ih proučavamo
sa istim intenzitetom
sa istim intenzitetom
03:09
We should study them with the same intensity
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that we study all the other important natural phenomena,
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kojim proučavamo sve druge
važne prirodne pojave,
važne prirodne pojave,
kao što je globalno zagrevanje,
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like global warming, as we heard so eloquently last night from Al Gore.
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a što je elokventno sinoć
predstavio Al Gor.
predstavio Al Gor.
03:19
Today's religions are brilliantly designed -- brilliantly designed.
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Današnje religije su
brilijantno osmišljene.
brilijantno osmišljene.
03:24
They're immensely powerful social institutions
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To su društvene institucije
koje imaju izuzetnu moć
koje imaju izuzetnu moć
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and many of their features can be traced back to earlier features
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i mnoge njihove osobine
mogu da se prate do prethodnih osobina
mogu da se prate do prethodnih osobina
od kojih se može stvoriti smislena celina
uz pomoć obrnutog inženjeringa.
uz pomoć obrnutog inženjeringa.
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that we can really make sense of by reverse engineering.
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03:39
And, as with the cow, there's a mixture of evolutionary design,
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Kao i sa kravom, postoji mešavina
evolutivnog dizajna
evolutivnog dizajna
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designed by natural selection itself, and intelligent design --
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koji je stvorila sama prirodna selekcija
i inteligentnog dizajna,
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more or less intelligent design -- and redesigned by human beings
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manje ili više,
i ponovnog stvaranja
od strane ljudskih bića
od strane ljudskih bića
03:53
who are trying to redesign their religions.
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koja pokušavaju da iznova stvore
svoje religije.
svoje religije.
Na TED-u se ne priča o knjigama,
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You don't do book talks at TED, but I'm going to have just one slide
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ali ću predstaviti jedan slajd
o svojoj knjizi
o svojoj knjizi
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about my book, because there is one message in it
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zato što postoji poruka u njoj
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which I think this group really needs to hear.
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za koju mislim da ova grupa
treba da je čuje.
treba da je čuje.
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And I would be very interested to get your responses to this.
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Veoma bih bio zainteresovan da dobijem
vaše odgovore na ovo pitanje.
vaše odgovore na ovo pitanje.
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It's the one policy proposal that I make in the book,
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Radi se o predlogu vezanom za politiku
koji dajem u ovoj knjizi,
koji dajem u ovoj knjizi,
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at this time when I claim not to know enough about religion
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u ovo vreme, kada tvrdim
da ne znam dovoljno o religiji
da ne znam dovoljno o religiji
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to know what other policy proposals to make.
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da bih znao kakav predlog da dam,
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And it's one that echoes remarks that you've heard already today.
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a u predlogu odzvanjaju napomene
koje ste već čuli danas.
koje ste već čuli danas.
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Here's my proposal.
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Evo mog predloga.
Objasniću ga u par minuta.
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I'm going to just take a couple of minutes to explain it --
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education in world religions, on world religions, for all of our children in primary school,
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Obrazovanje o svetskim religijama
za svu našu decu -
za svu našu decu -
u osnovnoj školi, u srednjoj školi,
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in high school, in public schools, in private schools and in home schooling.
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državnim, privatnim školama
i u školama u privatnim domovima.
i u školama u privatnim domovima.
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So what I'm proposing is,
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Dakle, predlažem ovo -
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just as we require reading, writing, arithmetic, American history,
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kao što stičemo znanje o čitanju,
pisanju, aritmetici, američkoj istoriji,
pisanju, aritmetici, američkoj istoriji,
04:54
so we should have a curriculum on facts
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tako bi trebalo da imamo i nastavni plan
o činjenicama svetskih religija -
o činjenicama svetskih religija -
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about all the religions of the world --
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05:00
about their history, about their creeds, about their texts,
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o njenim istorijama, verama, zapisima,
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their music, their symbolisms, their prohibitions, their requirements.
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muzici, simbolizmu, zabranama, zahtevima.
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And this should be presented factually, straightforwardly,
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Ovo bi trebalo da se predstavi
kroz činjenice, otvoreno,
kroz činjenice, otvoreno,
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with no particular spin, to all of the children in the country.
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bez posebnog spinovanja,
svoj deci u zemlji.
svoj deci u zemlji.
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And as long as you teach them that,
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Dokle god im predajete o tome,
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you can teach them anything else you like.
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možete im predavati o bilo čemu drugom
što vam se sviđa.
što vam se sviđa.
05:29
That, I think, is maximal tolerance for religious freedom.
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To je, mislim, maksimalna tolerancija
za slobode veroispovesti.
za slobode veroispovesti.
05:34
As long as you inform your children about other religions,
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Dokle god informišete svoju decu
o drugim religijama,
o drugim religijama,
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then you may -- and as early as you like and whatever you like --
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možete - i u kojem god dobu
i šta god da želite -
i šta god da želite -
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teach them whatever creed you want them to learn.
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da ih naučite i bilo kojoj veri
o kojoj želite da imaju znanja,
o kojoj želite da imaju znanja,
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But also let them know about other religions.
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ali dopustite im i da znaju
o drugim religijama.
o drugim religijama.
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Now why do I say that?
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Zašto to kažem?
05:52
Because democracy depends on an informed citizenship.
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Zato što demokratija zavisi
od informisanog građanstva.
od informisanog građanstva.
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Informed consent is the very bedrock
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Informisana saglasnost je sama osnova
našeg razumevanja demokratije.
našeg razumevanja demokratije.
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of our understanding of democracy.
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06:06
Misinformed consent is not worth it.
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Saglasnost uz pogrešne informacije
nije vredna toga.
nije vredna toga.
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It's like a coin flip; it doesn't count really.
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To je kao okretanje novčića;
ne računa se zaista.
ne računa se zaista.
06:13
Democracy depends on informed consent.
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Demokratija zavisi
od informisane saglasnosti.
od informisane saglasnosti.
06:16
This is the way we treat people as responsible adults.
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Ovo je način na koji tretiramo ljude
kao odgovorne odrasle osobe.
kao odgovorne odrasle osobe.
06:20
Now, children below the age of consent are a special case.
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E, sad, deca koja imaju nedovoljno godina
za saglasnost su poseban slučaj.
za saglasnost su poseban slučaj.
06:30
I'm going to use a word that Pastor Rick just used --
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Roditelji - a iskoristiću reč koju je
sveštenik Rik upravo iskoristio -
sveštenik Rik upravo iskoristio -
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parents are stewards of their children.
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roditelji su upravitelji svoje dece.
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They don't own them.
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Ne poseduju ih.
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You can't own your children.
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Ne možete posedovati svoju decu.
06:43
You have a responsibility to the world,
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Imate odgovornost prema svetu,
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to the state, to them, to take care of them right.
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državi, prema njima da se brinete
o njima na odgovarajući način.
o njima na odgovarajući način.
06:52
You may teach them whatever creed you think is most important,
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Možete ih naučiti bilo kojoj veri
za koju smatrate da je važna,
za koju smatrate da je važna,
06:58
but I say you have a responsibility to let them be informed
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ali kažem da imate odgovornost
da im dozvolite da se informišu
da im dozvolite da se informišu
07:03
about all the other creeds in the world, too.
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i o svim drugim verama na svetu.
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The reason I've taken this time is I've been fascinated to hear
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Razlog zbog kog sam odvojio ovo vreme je
zato što sam bio fasciniran da čujem
zato što sam bio fasciniran da čujem
07:11
some of the reactions to this.
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neke od reakcija na ovo.
07:14
One reviewer for a Roman Catholic newspaper called it "totalitarian."
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Jedan recenzent katoličkih novina
nazvao ga je „totalitarističkim”.
nazvao ga je „totalitarističkim”.
07:21
It strikes me as practically libertarian.
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Po meni je praktično libertarijanski.
Da li je totalitaristički zahtevati
čitanje, pisanje i aritmetiku?
čitanje, pisanje i aritmetiku?
07:26
Is it totalitarian to require reading, writing and arithmetic?
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07:29
I don't think so.
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Ne mislim da je tako.
Sve što kažem je -
07:31
All I'm saying is -- facts. Facts only.
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činjenice i samo činjenice,
bez vrednosti, samo činjenice
bez vrednosti, samo činjenice
07:35
No values, just facts about all the world's religions.
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o svim svetskim religijama.
07:41
Another reviewer called it "hilarious."
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Još jedan recenzent
nazvao ga je „urnebesnim".
nazvao ga je „urnebesnim".
07:44
Well, I'm really bothered by the fact
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Zaista mi smeta činjenica
07:48
that anybody would think that was hilarious.
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da bi bilo ko mogao pomisliti
da je to urnebesno.
da je to urnebesno.
07:51
It seems to me to be such a plausible,
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Meni deluje kao da je tako razumno,
07:55
natural extension of the democratic principles we already have,
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prirodno proširenje postojećih
demokratskih principa
demokratskih principa
07:59
that I'm shocked to think anybody would find that just ridiculous.
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da sam šokiran pomišlju da je ovo
ikome jednostavno smešno.
ikome jednostavno smešno.
08:05
I know many religions are so anxious about preserving the purity
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Znam da je mnogim religijama
veoma stalo do toga da sačuvaju
čistotu vere među svojom decom,
čistotu vere među svojom decom,
08:12
of their faith among their children that they are intent
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pa su odlučne u nameri da svoju decu
drže u neznanju o drugim religijama.
drže u neznanju o drugim religijama.
08:17
on keeping their children ignorant of other faiths.
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08:22
I don't think that's defensible, but I'd really be pleased
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Ne mislim da se to može opravdati.
Međutim, stvarno bi mi bilo drago
da dobijem vaše odgovore na to -
da dobijem vaše odgovore na to -
08:26
to get your answers on that -- any reactions to that -- later.
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bilo kakvu reakciju - kasnije,
08:29
But now I'm going to move on.
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ali sada ću nastaviti dalje.
08:31
Back to the cow.
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Natrag na kravu.
08:33
This picture, which I pulled off the web --
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Ova slika, koju sa „skinuo” sa neta -
08:36
the fellow on the left is really an important part of this picture.
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momak sa leve strane zaista je
važan deo slike.
važan deo slike.
08:39
That's the steward.
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To je upravitelj.
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Cows couldn't live without human stewards -- they're domesticated.
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Krave ne bi mogle da žive
bez ljudskih upravitelja;
bez ljudskih upravitelja;
pripitomljene su.
08:46
They're a sort of ectosymbiont.
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One su vrsta ektosimbiotičkog organizma.
08:50
They depend on us for their survival.
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Njihov opstanak zavisi od nas,
08:55
And Pastor Rick was just talking about sheep.
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a sveštenik Rik je upravo
pričao o ovcama.
pričao o ovcama.
08:58
I'm going to talk about sheep, too.
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I ja ću govoriti o ovcama.
09:00
There's a lot of serendipitous convergence here.
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Ovde ima puno slučajnih
zajedničkih tačaka.
zajedničkih tačaka.
09:04
How clever it was of sheep to acquire shepherds!
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Koliko je ovca pametna
jer je nabavila pastira!
jer je nabavila pastira!
(Smeh)
09:10
Think of what this got them.
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Razmislite o tome šta im je to donelo.
09:12
They could outsource all their problems --
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Mogle su da prebace sve svoje probleme
na nekog drugog:
na nekog drugog:
09:15
protection from predators, food finding, health maintenance.
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zaštitu od grabljivaca,
pronalaženje hrane...
pronalaženje hrane...
(Smeh)
...brigu o zdravlju.
(Smeh)
09:22
The only cost in most flocks is a loss of free mating.
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Jedina cena u većini stada -
a čak ni to - gubitak slobodnog parenja.
a čak ni to - gubitak slobodnog parenja.
09:29
What a deal.
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Kakav dogovor!
09:31
"How clever of sheep!" you might say.
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„Kako je ovca mudra!”,
mogli biste reći,
mogli biste reći,
09:33
Except, of course, it wasn't the sheep's cleverness.
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iako, naravno, ovo nije ovčija mudrost.
09:35
We all know sheep are not exactly rocket scientists -- they're not very smart.
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Svi znamo da ovce i nisu
baš kvantni fizičari - nisu baš pametne.
baš kvantni fizičari - nisu baš pametne.
09:40
It wasn't the cleverness of the sheep at all.
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Uopšte se ne radi o ovčijoj mudrosti.
09:43
They were clueless.
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One nemaju pojma,
09:45
But it was a very clever move.
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ali je ovo bio mudar potez.
09:48
Whose clever move was it?
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Čiji je to mudar potez bio?
Bio je to mudar potez
same prirodne selekcije.
same prirodne selekcije.
09:50
It was a clever move of natural selection itself.
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09:53
Francis Crick, the co-discoverer of the structure of DNA
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Frensis Krik, saradnik pri otkriću
strukture DNK
strukture DNK
09:59
with Jim Watson, once joked about what he called Orgel's Second Rule.
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zajedno sa Džimom Votsonom,
jednom prilikom šalio se sa onim
što je nazivao Orglovo drugo pravilo.
10:04
Leslie Orgel is still a molecular biologist, brilliant guy,
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Lesli Orgl bio je molekularni biolog,
sjajan momak,
sjajan momak,
a Orglovo drugo pravilo je:
10:10
and Orgel's Second Rule is: Evolution is cleverer than you are.
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evolucija je pametnija od vas.
10:14
Now, that is not Intelligent Design -- not from Francis Crick.
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To nije inteligentni dizajn;
ne od strane Frensisa Krika.
ne od strane Frensisa Krika.
10:21
Evolution is cleverer than you are.
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Evolucija je pametnija od vas.
10:23
If you understand Orgel's Second Rule, then you understand
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Ako razumete Orglovo drugo pravilo,
onda razumete
onda razumete
10:26
why the Intelligent Design movement is basically a hoax.
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zbog čega je pokret inteligentnog dizajna
u osnovi obmana.
u osnovi obmana.
10:33
The designs discovered by the process of natural selection
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Dizajni otkriveni kroz proces
prirodne selekcije su
prirodne selekcije su
10:37
are brilliant, unbelievably brilliant.
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brilijantni, neverovatno brilijantni.
10:40
Again and again biologists are fascinated with the brilliance of what's discovered.
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Biolozi su iznova i iznova fascinirani
brilijantnošću onoga što je otkriveno,
brilijantnošću onoga što je otkriveno,
10:45
But the process itself is without purpose,
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ali sam proces je bez svrhe,
10:48
without foresight, without design.
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bez dalekovidosti, bez dizajna.
10:51
When I was here four years ago,
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Kada sam bio ovde pre četiri godine,
ispričao sam priču o mravu
koji se penje uz vlat trave,
koji se penje uz vlat trave,
10:53
I told the story about an ant climbing a blade of grass.
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10:55
And why was the ant doing it?
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a razlog zbog kog je mrav to radio je
zbog toga što je njegov mozak inficiran
zbog toga što je njegov mozak inficiran
10:57
Well, it's because its brain had been infected with a lancet fluke that was --
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malim metiljem koji treba
da uđe u stomak ovce ili krave
da uđe u stomak ovce ili krave
11:02
needed to get into the belly of a sheep or a cow in order to reproduce.
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da bi se razmnožavao.
11:07
It was sort of a spooky story.
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Dakle, ovo je nekakva mračna priča
11:09
And I think some people may have misunderstood.
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i mislim da su je neki ljudi
možda pogrešno shvatili.
možda pogrešno shvatili.
11:11
Lancet flukes aren't smart.
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Mali metilji nisu pametni.
11:13
I submit that the intelligence of a lancet fluke is down there
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Tvdim da je inteligencija malog metilja
na dnu lestvice,
na dnu lestvice,
11:18
somewhere between petunia and carrot.
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negde između petunije i šargarepe.
11:20
They're not really bright. They don't have to be.
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Nisu nešto bistri.
Ne moraju da budu.
Ne moraju da budu.
11:22
The lesson we learn from this is
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Lekcija koju smo naučili iz ovoga je:
11:24
you don't have to have a mind to be a beneficiary.
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ne morate imati mozak
da biste bili korisnik.
da biste bili korisnik.
11:27
The design is there in nature, but it's not in anybody's head.
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Dizajn postoji u prirodi,
ali ne i u svačijoj glavi.
ali ne i u svačijoj glavi.
11:32
It doesn't have to be.
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Ne mora da bude.
11:34
That's the way evolution works.
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To je način na koji evolucija funkcioniše.
11:36
The question -- was domestication good for sheep?
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Pitanje - da li je pripitomljavanje bilo
dobro za ovce?
dobro za ovce?
11:38
It was great for their genetic fitness.
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Bilo je odlično za njihovu
genetičku spremnost.
genetičku spremnost.
11:40
And here I want to remind you of a wonderful point
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Ovde želim da vas podsetim
na sjajnu primedbu
na sjajnu primedbu
11:44
that Paul MacCready made at TED three years ago.
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Pola Mekridija na TED-u pre tri godine.
11:47
Here's what he said.
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Evo šta je rekao:
11:49
10,000 years ago at the dawn of agriculture,
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„Pre deset hiljada godina,
na samom početku poljoprivrede,
na samom početku poljoprivrede,
11:52
human population, plus livestock and pets, was approximately
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ljudska populacija, uz stoku i ljubimce,
11:55
a tenth of one per cent of the terrestrial vertebrae landmass.
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bila je otprilike
desetina jednog procenta
desetina jednog procenta
kopnenih kičmenjaka na Zemlji.”
12:00
That was just 10,000 years ago.
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To je bilo samo pre 10 000 godina;
12:02
Yesterday, in biological terms.
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juče u biološkom smislu.
12:05
What is it today? Does anybody remember what he told us?
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Kakvo je stanje danas? Da li se iko seća
šta nam je rekao?
šta nam je rekao?
12:09
98 percent.
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Devedeset osam procenata.
12:11
That is what we have done on this planet.
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To smo uradili na ovoj planeti.
12:14
Now, I talked to Paul afterwards.
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Pričao sam sa Polom posle toga -
želeo sam proverim, otkrijem
želeo sam proverim, otkrijem
12:16
I wanted to check to find out how he'd calculated this,
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kako je ovo izračunao, dobijem izvore
i tako dalje -
i tako dalje -
12:18
and get the sources and so forth.
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12:20
And he gave me a paper that he had written on this.
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a on mi je dao i rad
koji je napisao na ovu temu.
koji je napisao na ovu temu.
12:23
There was a passage in it which he did not present here
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U njemu postoji pasus
koji nije predstavio ovde,
koji nije predstavio ovde,
12:25
and I think it is so good I'm going to read it to you.
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a ja mislim da je toliko dobar
da ću vam ga pročitati:
da ću vam ga pročitati:
12:28
"Over billions of years on a unique sphere,
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„Preko milijardu godina,
na jedinstvenoj sferi,
na jedinstvenoj sferi,
12:31
chance has painted a thin covering of life:
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slučajnost je naslikala
tanušnu koricu života -
tanušnu koricu života -
12:34
complex, improbable, wonderful and fragile.
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složenu, malo verovatnu,
čudesnu i krhku.
čudesnu i krhku.
12:38
Suddenly, we humans, a recently arrived species
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Odjednom, mi, ljudi -
vrsta koja je nedavno stigla,
vrsta koja je nedavno stigla,
12:41
no longer subject to the checks and balances inherent in nature,
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a koja više ne podleže proverama
i ravnotežama svojstvenim prirodi -
i ravnotežama svojstvenim prirodi -
12:44
have grown in population, technology and intelligence to a position of terrible power.
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nadogradili smo populaciju,
tehnologiju i inteligenciju
tehnologiju i inteligenciju
zauzimajući mesto užasne moći.
12:49
We now wield the paintbrush."
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Mi sada rukujemo kičicom.”
12:52
We heard about the atmosphere as a thin layer of varnish.
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Čuli smo da je atmosfera
tanak sloj zaštitnog laka.
tanak sloj zaštitnog laka.
12:55
Life itself is just a thin coat of paint on this planet.
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Sam život je samo tanak sloj farbe
na ovoj planeti,
na ovoj planeti,
12:59
And we're the ones that hold the paintbrush.
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a mi smo oni koji drže četkicu.
13:01
And how can we do that?
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Kako to možemo da radimo?
13:04
The key to our domination of the planet is culture,
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Ključ naše dominacije
na planeti je kultura,
na planeti je kultura,
13:08
and the key to culture is religion.
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a ključ za kulturu je religija.
13:11
Suppose Martian scientists came to Earth.
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Pretpostavimo da naučnici
sa Marsa dođu na Zemlju.
sa Marsa dođu na Zemlju.
13:14
They would be puzzled by many things.
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Zbunilo bi ih mnogo stvari.
Da li iko zna šta je ovo?
Reći ću vam šta je.
Reći ću vam šta je.
13:19
Anybody know what this is?
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13:21
I'll tell you what it is.
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Ovo je skup od milion ljudi
na obali Ganga 2001. godine,
na obali Ganga 2001. godine,
13:23
This is a million people gathering on the banks of the Ganges in 2001,
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13:27
perhaps the largest single gathering of human beings ever,
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možda najveće okupljanje ljudi
ikada organizovano,
ikada organizovano,
13:31
as seen from satellite photograph.
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prikazano na satelitskoj fotografiji.
13:33
Here's a big crowd.
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Evo velike mase ljudi.
13:34
Here's another crowd in Mecca.
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Evo još jedne u Meki.
13:36
Martians would be amazed by this.
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Marsovce bi ovo zapanjilo.
13:39
They'd want to know how it originated, what it was for and how it perpetuates itself.
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Želeli bi da znaju kako je nastalo,
koja mu je svrha i kako se održava.
13:44
Actually, I'm going to pass over this.
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Zapravo, nastaviću dalje.
13:47
The ant isn't alone.
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Mrav nije sam.
13:49
There's all sorts of wonderful cases of species.
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Postoje različiti čudesni slučajevi
vrsta koje - u tom slučaju -
vrsta koje - u tom slučaju -
13:52
In that case, a parasite gets into a mouse
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parazit uđe u miša
i treba da uđe u stomak mačke
i treba da uđe u stomak mačke
13:58
and it needs to get into the belly of a cat.
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14:00
And it turns the mouse into Mighty Mouse -- it makes it fearless,
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i pretvara miša u Svemoćnog miša,
čini ga neustrašivim,
čini ga neustrašivim,
14:02
so it runs out in the open, where it'll be eaten by a cat.
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pa on istrčava u otvoren prostor
i mačka ga pojede.
i mačka ga pojede.
14:05
True story.
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Istinita priča.
14:07
In other words, we have these hijackers --
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Drugim rečima, postoje otmičari -
14:09
you've seen this slide before, from four years ago --
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videli ste ovaj slajd pre četiri godine -
14:12
a parasite that infects the brain
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parazit koji inficira mozak
i navodi čak i na suicidalno ponašanje,
i navodi čak i na suicidalno ponašanje,
14:14
and induces even suicidal behavior on behalf of a cause
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u ime razloga koji se razlikuje
od genetske spremnosti.
od genetske spremnosti.
14:17
other than one's own genetic fitness.
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14:19
Does that ever happen to us?
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Da li se nama to ikada dešava?
14:22
Yes, it does -- quite wonderfully.
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Da, dešava se - prilično neverovatno.
14:27
The Arabic word "Islam" means "submission."
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Arapska reč „islam” znači „pokoravanje”.
14:29
It means "surrender of self-interest to the will of Allah."
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Ona znači „predaju sopstvenih interesa
volji Alaha”.
volji Alaha”.
14:32
But I'm not just talking about Islam.
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Međutim, ne pričam samo o islamu;
14:34
I'm talking also about Christianity.
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pričam i o hrišćanstvu.
14:36
This is a parchment music page that I found in a Paris bookstall 50 years ago.
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Ovo je pergamentni list partiture
koji sam našao
na pariskoj polici za knjige
na pariskoj polici za knjige
pre 50 godina.
14:41
And on it it says, in Latin:
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Na njemu piše na latinskom:
14:44
"Semen est verbum Dei. Sator autem Christus.
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„Semen est verbum Dei.
Sator autem Christus."
Sator autem Christus."
14:47
The word of God is the seed and the sower of the seed is Christ."
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„Reč Božija je seme,
a sejač semena je Hrist.”
a sejač semena je Hrist.”
14:51
Same idea! Well, not quite.
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Ista ideja. Pa, i ne baš.
14:53
But in fact, Christians, too, glory in the fact that they have surrendered to God.
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U stvari, hrišćani takođe
slave činjenicu da su se predali bogu.
Navešću vam par citata.
15:02
I'll give you a few quotes.
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15:03
"The heart of worship is surrender.
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„Predaja je u srcu obožavanja.
Ljudi koji su se predali
povinuju se Božijim rečima,
povinuju se Božijim rečima,
15:06
Surrendered people obey God's words, even if it doesn't make sense."
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čak i ako to nema smisla.”
15:11
Those words are by Rick Warren.
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Ovo su reči Rika Vorena.
15:13
Those are from "The Purpose Driven Life."
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One su iz „Svrsishodnog života”.
Želeo bih da se sada nakratko okrenem
15:17
And I want to turn now, briefly, to talk about that book, which I've read.
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razgovoru o toj knjizi koju sam pročitao.
15:20
You've all got a copy.
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Svi imate primerak
i upravo ste čuli čoveka.
15:22
You've just heard the man.
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15:24
And what I want to do now is say a bit about this book from the design standpoint,
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Sada želim da ponešto kažem o ovoj knjizi
sa stanovišta dizajna
15:29
because I think it's actually a brilliant book.
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jer zapravo mislim da je ovo
sjajna knjiga.
sjajna knjiga.
15:32
First of all, the goal.
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Pre svega, cilj -
a upravo ste čuli šta je cilj -
a upravo ste čuli šta je cilj -
15:34
And you heard just now what the goal is.
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15:36
It's to bring purpose to the lives of millions, and he has succeeded.
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je donošenje svrhe u živote miliona,
a on je uspeo.
a on je uspeo.
15:39
Is it a good goal?
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Da li je to dobar cilj? Sam po sebi,
siguran sam da ćemo se složiti, je divan.
siguran sam da ćemo se složiti, je divan.
15:41
In itself, I'm sure we all agree, it is a wonderful goal.
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15:43
He's absolutely right.
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On je potpuno u pravu.
Postoji mnogo ljudi koji nemaju svrhu
u svom životu,
u svom životu,
15:45
There are lots of people out there who don't have purpose in their life,
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15:48
and bringing purpose to their life is a wonderful goal.
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a donošenje svrhe u njihov život je
sjajan cilj.
sjajan cilj.
15:51
I give him an A+ on this.
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Dajem mu 5+ za ovo.
(Smeh)
15:55
Is the goal achieved?
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Da li je cilj postignut?
15:58
Yes.
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Da.
16:00
30 million copies of this book.
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Trideset miliona primeraka ove knjige.
16:05
Al Gore, eat your heart out.
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Ale Gore, pojedi se od muke.
16:07
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
16:10
Just exactly what Al is trying to do, Rick is doing.
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Upravo ono što Al pokušava da uradi,
Rik radi.
Rik radi.
16:14
This is a fantastic achievement.
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Ovo je fantastično dostignuće,
16:17
And, the means -- how does he do it?
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a sredstva - kako on to radi?
To je brilijantno ponovno stvaranje
16:22
It's a brilliant redesign of traditional religious themes --
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tradicionalnih religijskih tema -
16:25
updating them, quietly dropping obsolete features,
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njihovo ažuriranje, tiho odbacivanje
zastarelih osobina,
zastarelih osobina,
16:28
putting new interpretations on other features.
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uspostavljanje novih tumačenja
za ove osobine.
za ove osobine.
16:30
This is the evolution of religion that's been going on for thousands of years,
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Ovo je evolucija religije koja se
dešavala hiljadama godina,
dešavala hiljadama godina,
16:33
and he's just the latest brilliant practitioner of it.
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a on je samo njen skorašnji
brilijantni praktičar.
brilijantni praktičar.
16:38
I don't have to tell you this.
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Ne moram ovo da vam kažem;
čuli ste čoveka.
čuli ste čoveka.
16:40
You've just heard the man.
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Odličan uvid u ljudsku psihologiju,
mudar savet na svakoj strani.
mudar savet na svakoj strani.
16:42
Excellent insights into human psychology, wise advice on every page.
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16:46
Moreover, he invites us to look under the hood.
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Šta više, on poziva da dublje
ispitamo suštinu.
ispitamo suštinu.
16:50
I really appreciated that.
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Zaista sam mu zahvalan zbog toga.
Na primer, ima apendiks u kom objašnjava
16:52
For instance, he has an appendix where he explains
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16:54
his choice of translations of different Bible verses.
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svoj izbor prevoda
različitih biblijskih stihova.
različitih biblijskih stihova.
16:57
The book is clear, vivid, accessible, beautifully formatted.
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Knjiga je jasna, živopisna, pristupačna,
lepo formatirana.
lepo formatirana.
17:04
Just enough repetition.
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Ponavljanja taman koliko treba.
17:06
That's really important.
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To je zaista važno.
17:08
Every time you read it or say it, you make another copy in your brain.
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Svaki put kad je
pročitate ili izgovorite,
pročitate ili izgovorite,
napravite još jednu kopiju u svom mozgu.
17:13
Every time you read it or say it, you make another copy in your brain.
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Svaki put kad je pročitate ili izgovorite,
napravite još jednu kopiju
u svom mozgu.
u svom mozgu.
17:17
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
17:18
With me, everybody -- every time you read it or say it,
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Svi zajedno sa mnom -
(Publika i Den Denet)
Svaki put kada je
pročitate ili izgovorite,
pročitate ili izgovorite,
17:22
you make another copy in your brain.
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napravite još jednu kopiju u svom mozgu.
17:24
Thank you.
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Hvala vam.
17:26
And now we come to my problem.
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Sada stižemo do mog problema
17:28
Because I'm absolutely sincere in my appreciation
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jer potpuno iskreno poštujem
17:32
of all that I've said about this book.
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sve što sam naveo u vezi ove knjige,
17:34
But I wish it were better.
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ali bih voleo da je bolja.
17:36
I have some problems with the book.
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Imam neke probleme sa ovom knjigom,
17:38
And it would just be insincere of me not to address those problems.
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a bilo bi neiskreno sa moje strane
da se ne bavim ovim problemima.
da se ne bavim ovim problemima.
17:42
I wish he could do this with a revision,
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Voleo bih da uradi ovo sa revizijom,
17:46
a Mark 2 version of his book.
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kao drugu verziju knjige.
17:50
"The truth will set you free" --
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„Istina će vas osloboditi.”
17:52
that's what it says in the Bible, and it's something that I want to live by, too.
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To kaže Biblija
i to je nešto čime želim
da se rukovodim u životu.
da se rukovodim u životu.
17:57
My problem is, some of the bits in it I don't think are true.
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Moj problem je - ne mislim
da su neki od delova toga tačni.
da su neki od delova toga tačni.
18:02
Now some of this is a difference of opinion,
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Nešto od ovoga je razilaženje mišljenja,
18:07
and that's not my main complaint.
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a to nije moj glavni prigovor
kog vredi pomenuti.
kog vredi pomenuti.
18:09
That's worth mentioning.
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Evo pasusa - prilično odgovara
onome što je rekao, u svakom slučaju:
onome što je rekao, u svakom slučaju:
18:11
Here's a passage -- it's very much what he said, anyway.
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18:13
"If there was no God we would all be accidents,
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„Da nema Boga, svi bismo bili
slučajni događaji,
slučajni događaji,
18:15
the result of astronomical random chance in the Universe.
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rezultati astronomske nasumične
slučajnosti u svemiru.
slučajnosti u svemiru.
18:18
You could stop reading this book because life
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Mogli biste prestati da čitate ovu knjigu
jer život ne bi imao svrhu,
jer život ne bi imao svrhu,
18:21
would have no purpose or meaning or significance.
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značenje ili važnost.
Ne bi bilo dobrog ili lošeg,
18:24
There would be no right or wrong and no hope beyond your brief years on Earth."
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niti nade van vaših
kratkih godina na Zemlji.”
kratkih godina na Zemlji.”
18:27
Now, I just do not believe that.
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Ja jednostavno ne verujem u to.
18:29
By the way, I find Homer Groening's film
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Usput, nalazim da - film Homera Grejninga
predstavio je lepu alternativu
predstavio je lepu alternativu
18:33
presented a beautiful alternative to that very claim.
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upravo ovoj tvrdnji.
18:37
Yes, there is meaning and a reason for right or wrong.
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Da, postoji značenje i razlog
za ispravno i neispravno.
za ispravno i neispravno.
18:41
We don't need a belief in God to be good or to have meaning in us.
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Ne treba nam vera u boga
da bismo bili dobri ili sadržali smisao,
da bismo bili dobri ili sadržali smisao,
18:47
But that is just a difference of opinion.
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ali to je, kao što rekoh,
samo razlika u mišljenju.
samo razlika u mišljenju.
Nisam zbog toga zabrinut.
18:52
That's not what I'm really worried about.
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18:54
How about this -- "God designed this planet's environment just so we could live in it."
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Kako vam se ovo čini:
„Bog je stvorio životnu sredinu
„Bog je stvorio životnu sredinu
na ovoj planeti samo da bismo
mogli živeti u njoj.”
mogli živeti u njoj.”
19:00
I'm afraid that a lot of people take that sentiment to mean
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Bojim se da puno ljudi misli
da takav stav znači
da takav stav znači
da ne moramo da radimo stvari
19:05
that we don't have to do the sorts of things that Al Gore
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19:07
is trying so hard to get us to do.
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koje Al Gor tako uporno pokušava
da nas natera da radimo.
da nas natera da radimo.
19:09
I'm not happy with that sentiment at all.
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Uopšte mi se ne sviđa takvo razmišljanje.
19:12
And then I find this -- "All the evidence available in the biological sciences
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Zatim nađem ovo: „Svi dokazi
dostupni u biološkim naukama
dostupni u biološkim naukama
19:16
supports the core proposition that the cosmos is especially designed whole
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podržavaju suštinsku svrhu
da je kosmos specijalno dizajnirana celina
da je kosmos specijalno dizajnirana celina
19:20
with life and mankind as its fundamental goal and purpose,
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sa životom i čovečanstvom
kao osnovnim ciljem i svrhom,
kao osnovnim ciljem i svrhom,
19:23
a whole in which all facets of reality have their meaning
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celina u kojoj svi aspekti stvarnosti
imaju svoje značenje
imaju svoje značenje
19:25
and explanation in this central fact."
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i objašnjenje
u ovoj centralnoj činjenici.”
u ovoj centralnoj činjenici.”
19:27
Well, that's Michael Denton. He's a creationist.
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Pa, to je Majkl Denton.
On je kreacionista.
On je kreacionista.
19:30
And here I think, "Wait a minute."
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Na ovom mestu mislim: „Stani malo.”
19:33
I read this again.
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Ponovo isčitavam ovo.
19:35
I read it three or four times and I think,
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Čitam tri ili četiri puta i mislim:
19:37
"Is he really endorsing intelligent design?
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„Da li on stvarno odobrava
inteligentni dizajn?
inteligentni dizajn?
19:39
Is he endorsing creationism here?"
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Da li on to ovde odobrava kreacionizam?”
19:41
And you can't tell.
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Ne možete sa sigurnošću reći,
19:43
So I'm sort of thinking, "Well, I don't know,
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te razmišljam: „Pa, ne znam,
19:45
I don't know if I want to get upset with this yet."
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nisam siguran da želim da me ovo
sada iznervira.”
sada iznervira.”
19:47
But then I read on and I read this: "First, Noah had never seen rain,
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Nastavljam da čitam dalje
i pročitam ovo:
i pročitam ovo:
„Kao prvo, Noje nikada nije video kišu
19:51
because prior to the flood God irrigated the earth from the ground up."
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jer je pre poplave Bog navodnjavao
Zemlju iz zemljišta.”
Zemlju iz zemljišta.”
19:56
I wish that sentence weren't in there, because I think it is false.
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Voleo bih da ova rečenica nije ovde
jer mislim da je neistinita.
jer mislim da je neistinita.
20:01
And I think that thinking this way about the history of the planet,
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Mislim i da ovakvo razmišljanje
o istoriji naše planete,
o istoriji naše planete,
20:04
after we've just been hearing about the history
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neposredno po slušanju o istoriji planete
20:07
of the planet over millions of years,
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tokom nekoliko miliona godina
20:11
discourages people from scientific understanding.
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odvraća ljude od naučnog razumevanja.
20:14
Now, Rick Warren uses scientific terms and scientific factoids
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Rik Voren koristi naučne termine,
polu-činjenice i informacije
na veoma interesantan način.
na veoma interesantan način.
20:22
and information in a very interesting way.
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20:25
Here's one: "God deliberately shaped and formed you to serve him
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Evo jednog načina: „Bog vas je sa namerom
oblikovao i formirao da biste mu služili
20:28
in a way that makes your ministry unique.
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na način koji vašu službu čini unikatnom.
20:30
He carefully mixed the DNA cocktail that created you."
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Pažljivo je pomešao DNK koktel
koji vas je stvorio.”
koji vas je stvorio.”
20:37
I think that's false.
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Mislim da to nije tačno.
20:40
Now maybe we want to treat it as metaphorical.
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Možda želimo da se prema ovome
ophodimo kao prema metafori.
ophodimo kao prema metafori.
20:43
Here's another one -- "For instance, your brain can store 100 trillion facts.
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Evo još jedne: „Na primer, vaš mozak
može da uskladišti 100 triliona činjenica.
može da uskladišti 100 triliona činjenica.
20:47
Your mind can handle 15,000 decisions a second."
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Vaš um se može nositi
sa 15 000 odluka u sekundi.”
sa 15 000 odluka u sekundi.”
20:50
Well, it would be interesting to find the interpretation where I would accept that.
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Pa, bilo bi interesantno naći tumačenje
kroz koje bih ovo prihvatio.
20:54
There might be some way of treating that as true.
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Može biti da postoji način
kroz koji bismo ovo doživeli kao tačno.
kroz koji bismo ovo doživeli kao tačno.
20:57
"Anthropologists have noted that worship is a universal urge,
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„Antropolozi su primetili da je
obožavanje univerzalni poriv,
obožavanje univerzalni poriv,
21:01
hardwired by God into the very fiber of our being,
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utkan Božijom rukom
u same niti našeg bića -
u same niti našeg bića -
21:04
an inbuilt need to connect with God."
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ugrađena potreba da se povežemo
sa Bogom.”
sa Bogom.”
21:08
Well, there's a sense which I agree with him,
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Pa, shvatanje u kom se slažem s njim,
21:10
except I think it has an evolutionary explanation.
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osim što mislim da postoji
evoluciono objašnjenje.
evoluciono objašnjenje.
21:12
And what I find deeply troubling in this book
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Ono što me duboko zabrinjava
u ovoj knjizi je
u ovoj knjizi je
21:16
is that he seems to be arguing that if you want to be moral,
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da se čini da tvrdi da,
ako želite da budete moralni,
ako želite da budete moralni,
21:20
if you want to have meaning in your life,
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ako želite da imate smisao života,
21:22
you have to be an Intelligent Designer -- you have to deny
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morate da budete inteligentni dizajner,
morate da poreknete teoriju evolucije
kroz prirodnu selekciju.
kroz prirodnu selekciju.
21:26
the theory of evolution by natural selection.
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Nasuprot tome, mislim da je
21:29
And I think, on the contrary, that it is very important to solving
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za rešavanje svetskih problema
veoma važno
veoma važno
21:32
the world's problems that we take evolutionary biology seriously.
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da evolucionu biologiju
shvatimo ozbiljno.
shvatimo ozbiljno.
21:37
Whose truth are we going to listen to?
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Čiju ćemo istinu poslušati?
21:40
Well, this from "The Purpose Driven Life" --
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Ovo je iz „Svrsishodnog života”:
21:43
"The Bible must become the authoritative standard for my life,
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„Biblija mora da postane
merodavan standard za moj život:
merodavan standard za moj život:
21:46
the compass I rely on for direction, the counsel I listen to
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kompas na koji se oslanjam za pravac,
savetodavac kojeg slušam
da bih donosio mudre odluke
da bih donosio mudre odluke
21:49
for making wise decisions and the benchmark I use for evaluating everything."
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i odrednica koju koristim
za procenu svega.”
za procenu svega.”
21:53
Well maybe, OK, but what's going to follow from this?
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Pa, možda, dobro,
ali šta će propratiti ovo?
ali šta će propratiti ovo?
21:58
And here's one that does concern me.
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Evo još jednog koji me brine.
Setite se da sam ga citirao i pre
sa ovom izjavom:
sa ovom izjavom:
22:02
Remember I quoted him before with this line --
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„Ljudi koji su se predali
povinuju se Božijim rečima,
povinuju se Božijim rečima,
22:05
"Surrendered people obey God's word, even if it doesn't make sense."
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čak i ako to nema smisla”,
22:10
And that's a problem.
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a to je problem.
(Uzdiše)
22:15
"Don't ever argue with the Devil.
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„Nikada se nemojte svađati sa Đavolom.
22:17
He's better at arguing than you are, having had thousands of years to practice."
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On je bolji u tome od vas
jer je imao hiljade godina za praksu.”
22:21
Now Rick Warren didn't invent this clever move.
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Rik Voren nije izmislio
ovaj pametan potez.
ovaj pametan potez.
22:25
It's an old move.
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To je stari potez.
22:27
It's a very clever adaptation of religions.
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To je veoma mudra adaptacija religija.
22:30
It's a wildcard for disarming any reasonable criticism.
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To je džoker pri razoružavanju
bilo kakve razumne kritike.
bilo kakve razumne kritike.
22:35
"You don't like my interpretation?
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„Ne sviđa ti se moje tumačenje?
22:37
You've got a reasonable objection to it?
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Imaš razumnu primedbu na njega?
22:39
Don't listen, don't listen!
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Ne slušaj! Ne slušaj!
22:41
That's the Devil speaking."
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To sam Đavo priča.”
22:44
This discourages the sort of reasoning citizenship
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Ovo obeshrabruje ono razumno građanstvo
22:49
it seems to me that we want to have.
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koje mi se čini da želimo da imamo.
22:52
I've got one more problem, then I'm through.
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Imam još jedan problem
i onda završavam,
i onda završavam,
22:55
And I'd really like to get a response if Rick is able to do it.
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a stvarno bih voleo da dobijem
odgovor ako Rik može da ga da.
odgovor ako Rik može da ga da.
23:00
"In the Great Commission, Jesus said, 'Go to all people of all nations
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„U obraćanju apostolima, Hristos je rekao:
'Idite i učinite sve narode
učenicima mojim.
učenicima mojim.
23:03
and make them my disciples. Baptize them in the name of the Father,
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Krstite ih u ime Oca i Sina i Svetoga Duha
23:06
the Son and the Holy Spirit, and teach them to do everything I've told you.'"
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i učite ih da vrše sve
što sam zapovedio.'”
što sam zapovedio.'”
23:09
The Bible says Jesus is the only one who can save the world.
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Biblija kaže da je Isus jedini
koji može da spasi svet.
koji može da spasi svet.
23:14
Now here we've seen many wonderful maps of the world
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Videli smo mnoge divne mape sveta
u poslednjih nekoliko dana.
23:17
in the last day or so.
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23:19
Here's one, not as beautiful as the others.
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Evo jedne, ne tako lepe kao druge;
23:21
It simply shows the religions of the world.
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jednostavno pokazuje religije sveta.
23:24
And here's one that shows the sort of current breakdown of the different religions.
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Evo jedne koja prikazuje trenutni pregled
različitih religija.
različitih religija.
23:29
Now do we really want to commit ourselves to engulfing
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Da li stvarno želimo da se posvetimo
obuhvatanju svih drugih religija
23:38
all the other religions when their holy books are telling them,
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kada im njihove svete knjige govore:
23:44
"Don't listen to the other side, that's just Satan talking!"
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„Ne slušajte drugu stranu.
To samo Satana govori.”
To samo Satana govori.”
23:49
It seems to me that that's a very problematic ship
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Čini mi se da je to problematični brod
23:55
to get on for the future.
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za ukrcavanje u budućnosti.
23:58
I found this sign as I was driving to Maine recently,
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Naišao sam na ovaj znak
dok sam se nedavno vozio
dok sam se nedavno vozio
prema Mejnu ispred crkve:
„Dobro bez Boga postaje ništavno.”
„Dobro bez Boga postaje ništavno.”
24:03
in front of a church -- "Good without God becomes zero."
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24:05
Sort of cute.
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Pomalo simpatično.
24:07
A very clever little meme.
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Veoma mudar mali mem.
24:11
I don't believe it and I think this idea, popular as it is -- not in this guise
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Ne verujem mu i mislim da je ova ideja -
popularna kao što jeste,
popularna kao što jeste,
ne u ovom ruhu, nego uopšte -
24:18
but in general -- is itself one of the main problems that we face.
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sama po sebi glavni problem
sa kojim se susrećemo.
sa kojim se susrećemo.
24:22
If you are like me, you know many wonderful, committed, engaged
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Ako ste kao ja, poznajete mnogo
divnih, posvećenih, angažovanih
divnih, posvećenih, angažovanih
ateista, agnostika,
24:29
atheists, agnostics, who are being very good without God.
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koji su veoma dobri i bez boga,
24:35
And you also know many religious people who hide behind their sanctity
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a znate i mnogo religioznih ljudi
koji se kriju iza svoje pobožnosti
koji se kriju iza svoje pobožnosti
24:40
instead of doing good works.
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umesto da čine dobra dela.
24:42
So, I wish we could drop this meme.
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Tako, voleo bih da odbacimo ovaj mem.
24:46
I wish this meme would go extinct.
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Voleo bih da se istrebi.
24:48
Thanks very much for your attention.
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Hvala vam na pažnji.
24:50
(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Dan Dennett - Philosopher, cognitive scientistDan Dennett thinks that human consciousness and free will are the result of physical processes.
Why you should listen
One of our most important living philosophers, Dan Dennett is best known for his provocative and controversial arguments that human consciousness and free will are the result of physical processes in the brain. He argues that the brain's computational circuitry fools us into thinking we know more than we do, and that what we call consciousness — isn't. His 2003 book "Freedom Evolves" explores how our brains evolved to give us -- and only us -- the kind of freedom that matters, while 2006's "Breaking the Spell" examines belief through the lens of biology.
This mind-shifting perspective on the mind itself has distinguished Dennett's career as a philosopher and cognitive scientist. And while the philosophy community has never quite known what to make of Dennett (he defies easy categorization, and refuses to affiliate himself with accepted schools of thought), his computational approach to understanding the brain has made him, as Edge's John Brockman writes, “the philosopher of choice of the AI community.”
“It's tempting to say that Dennett has never met a robot he didn't like, and that what he likes most about them is that they are philosophical experiments,” Harry Blume wrote in the Atlantic Monthly in 1998. “To the question of whether machines can attain high-order intelligence, Dennett makes this provocative answer: ‘The best reason for believing that robots might some day become conscious is that we human beings are conscious, and we are a sort of robot ourselves.'"
In recent years, Dennett has become outspoken in his atheism, and his 2006 book Breaking the Spell calls for religion to be studied through the scientific lens of evolutionary biology. Dennett regards religion as a natural -- rather than supernatural -- phenomenon, and urges schools to break the taboo against empirical examination of religion. He argues that religion's influence over human behavior is precisely what makes gaining a rational understanding of it so necessary: “If we don't understand religion, we're going to miss our chance to improve the world in the 21st century.”
Dennett's landmark books include The Mind's I, co-edited with Douglas Hofstaedter, Consciousness Explained, and Darwin's Dangerous Idea. Read an excerpt from his 2013 book, Intuition Pumps, in the Guardian >>
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