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Bryan Stevenson: We need to talk about an injustice
Bryan Stevenson: Moramo razgovarati o nepravdi
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U fascinantnom i osobnom govoru -- u kojem se u sporednim ulogama pojavljuju njegova baka i Rosa Parks -- odvjetnik za ljudska prava Bryan Stevenson iznosi neugodne istine o američkom pravosudnom sustavu, počevši od velikog rasnog nesrazmjera: trećina muške crnačke populacije SAD-a u nekom je trenutku bila u zatvoru. O tim se pitanjima, koja su utkana u neistraženu američku povijest, rijetko govori toliko otvoreno, stručno i uvjerljivo.
Bryan Stevenson - Public-interest lawyer
Bryan Stevenson is the founder and executive director of the Equal Justice Initiative, fighting poverty and challenging racial discrimination in the criminal justice system. Full bio
Bryan Stevenson is the founder and executive director of the Equal Justice Initiative, fighting poverty and challenging racial discrimination in the criminal justice system. Full bio
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Well this is a really extraordinary honor for me.
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Ovo mi je zaista iznimna čast.
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I spend most of my time
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Većinu svojeg vremena provodim
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in jails, in prisons, on death row.
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u zatvorima, s osuđenima na smrt.
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I spend most of my time in very low-income communities
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Većinu vremena provodim
u vrlo siromašnim zajednicama
u vrlo siromašnim zajednicama
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in the projects and places where there's a great deal of hopelessness.
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u socijalnom smještaju
i mjestima gdje vlada veliko beznađe.
i mjestima gdje vlada veliko beznađe.
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And being here at TED
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Boravak ovdje na TED-u
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and seeing the stimulation, hearing it,
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i sva stimulacija koju vidim i čujem
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has been very, very energizing to me.
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dala mi je veliku energiju.
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And one of the things that's emerged in my short time here
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Tijekom mog kratkog boravka ovdje pokazalo se
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is that TED has an identity.
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da TED ima identitet.
00:41
And you can actually say things here
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Ovdje zaista možete reći stvari
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that have impacts around the world.
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koje će imati utjecaj u cijelome svijetu.
00:45
And sometimes when it comes through TED,
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Ponekad stvari koje dolaze kroz TED
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it has meaning and power
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imaju drugačije značenje i moć
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that it doesn't have when it doesn't.
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nego kad to nije slučaj.
00:52
And I mention that because I think identity is really important.
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To govorim jer mislim da je identitet vrlo bitan.
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And we've had some fantastic presentations.
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Bilo je fantastičnih prezentacija.
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And I think what we've learned
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Mislim da sam naučio da
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is that, if you're a teacher your words can be meaningful,
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ako si učitelj, tvoje riječi mogu biti značajne,
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but if you're a compassionate teacher,
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ali ako si suosjećajan učitelj,
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they can be especially meaningful.
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onda one mogu biti naročito značajne.
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If you're a doctor you can do some good things,
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Ako si liječnik, možeš raditi dobre stvari,
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but if you're a caring doctor you can do some other things.
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ali ako si brižan liječnik, možeš raditi i druge stvari.
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And so I want to talk about the power of identity.
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Zato vam želim govoriti o moći identiteta.
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And I didn't learn about this actually
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Zapravo ništa o tome nisam naučio
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practicing law and doing the work that I do.
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baveći se pravom i svojim poslom.
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I actually learned about this from my grandmother.
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O tome me naučila moja baka.
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I grew up in a house
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Odrastao sam u kući
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that was the traditional African-American home
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koja je bila tradicionalan afroamerički dom
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that was dominated by a matriarch,
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kojim je dominirao matrijarh,
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and that matriarch was my grandmother.
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a to je bila moja baka.
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She was tough, she was strong,
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Bila je stroga, snažna,
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she was powerful.
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bila je moćna.
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She was the end of every argument in our family.
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Završavala je sve svađe u našoj obitelji.
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She was the beginning of a lot of arguments in our family.
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Mnoge je svađe u našoj obitelji i započinjala.
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She was the daughter of people who were actually enslaved.
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Bila je kći pravih robova.
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Her parents were born in slavery in Virginia in the 1840's.
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Njeni su roditelji rođeni u ropstvu
u Virginiji 1840-ih godina.
u Virginiji 1840-ih godina.
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She was born in the 1880's
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Ona je rođena 1880-ih
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and the experience of slavery
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i iskustvo ropstva
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very much shaped the way she saw the world.
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znatno je utjecalo na njezino viđenje svijeta.
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And my grandmother was tough, but she was also loving.
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Moja je baka bila stroga, ali bila je i nježna.
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When I would see her as a little boy,
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Kad bih bio kod nje kao dječak,
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she'd come up to me and she'd give me these hugs.
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dolazila bi do mene i zagrlila me.
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And she'd squeeze me so tight I could barely breathe
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Stisnula bi me tako jako da sam jedva disao
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and then she'd let me go.
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i onda bi me pustila.
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And an hour or two later, if I saw her,
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Sat-dva kasnije, ako sam je vidio,
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she'd come over to me and she'd say, "Bryan, do you still feel me hugging you?"
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došla bi do mene i rekla:
"Bryane, osjećaš li još kako te grlim?"
"Bryane, osjećaš li još kako te grlim?"
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And if I said, "No," she'd assault me again,
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Ako bih rekao ne, opet bi me napala,
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and if I said, "Yes," she'd leave me alone.
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a ako bih rekao da, ostavila bi me na miru.
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And she just had this quality
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Imala je tu neku osobinu
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that you always wanted to be near her.
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da ste uvijek htjeli biti u njenoj blizini.
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And the only challenge was that she had 10 children.
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Jedini je problem bio taj što je imala desetero djece.
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My mom was the youngest of her 10 kids.
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Moja je majka bila najmlađe dijete.
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And sometimes when I would go and spend time with her,
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Zato je ponekad kad bih želio provesti vrijeme s njom
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it would be difficult to get her time and attention.
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bilo teško dobiti njeno vrijeme i pažnju.
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My cousins would be running around everywhere.
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Moji bi bratići i sestrične trčali posvuda uokolo.
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And I remember, when I was about eight or nine years old,
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Sjećam se, kad sam imao osam ili devet godina,
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waking up one morning, going into the living room,
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kako sam se jednog jutra probudio,
otišao u dnevni boravak
otišao u dnevni boravak
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and all of my cousins were running around.
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i svi su moji bratići i sestrične trčali uokolo.
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And my grandmother was sitting across the room
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Moja je baka sjedila na drugom kraju sobe
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staring at me.
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i gledala me.
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And at first I thought we were playing a game.
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Isprva sam mislio da igraju neku igru.
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And I would look at her and I'd smile,
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Pogledao sam je i nasmiješio se,
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but she was very serious.
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ali ona je bila vrlo ozbiljna.
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And after about 15 or 20 minutes of this,
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Nakon 15-20 minuta
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she got up and she came across the room
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ustala je, došla s drugog kraja sobe,
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and she took me by the hand
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primila me za ruku
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and she said, "Come on, Bryan. You and I are going to have a talk."
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i rekla: "Hajde, Bryane.
Idemo porazgovarati nas dvoje."
Idemo porazgovarati nas dvoje."
02:53
And I remember this just like it happened yesterday.
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Sjećam se toga kao da je bilo jučer.
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I never will forget it.
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Nikad to neću zaboraviti.
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She took me out back and she said, "Bryan, I'm going to tell you something,
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Odvela me van i rekla: "Bryane, nešto ću ti reći,
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but you don't tell anybody what I tell you."
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ali nemoj nikome reći što sam ti rekla."
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I said, "Okay, Mama."
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Rekao sam: "Dobro, bako."
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She said, "Now you make sure you don't do that." I said, "Sure."
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Rekla je: "Pazi da to ne učiniš."
Ja sam rekao: "Naravno."
Ja sam rekao: "Naravno."
03:08
Then she sat me down and she looked at me
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Zatim me posjela, pogledala me
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and she said, "I want you to know
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i rekla: "Hoću da znaš
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I've been watching you."
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da sam te promatrala."
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And she said, "I think you're special."
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Rekla je: "Mislim da si poseban.
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She said, "I think you can do anything you want to do."
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Mislim da možeš učiniti što god poželiš."
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I will never forget it.
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Nikad to neću zaboraviti.
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And then she said, "I just need you to promise me three things, Bryan."
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Rekla je: "Samo mi moraš obećati tri stvari, Bryane."
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I said, "Okay, Mama."
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Rekao sam: "Dobro, bako."
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She said, "The first thing I want you to promise me
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Rekla je: "Prvo želim da mi obećaš
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is that you'll always love your mom."
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da ćeš uvijek voljeti svoju mamu."
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She said, "That's my baby girl,
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Rekla je: "Ona je moja djevojčica
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and you have to promise me now you'll always take care of her."
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i moraš obećati da ćeš se uvijek brinuti za nju."
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Well I adored my mom, so I said, "Yes, Mama. I'll do that."
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Ja sam obožavao svoju mamu
pa sam rekao: "Hoću, bako."
pa sam rekao: "Hoću, bako."
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Then she said, "The second thing I want you to promise me
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Zatim je rekla: "Zatim želim da mi obećaš
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is that you'll always do the right thing
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da ćeš uvijek učiniti ono što je ispravno,
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even when the right thing is the hard thing."
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čak i ako to bude teško."
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And I thought about it and I said, "Yes, Mama. I'll do that."
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Razmislio sam i rekao: "Hoću, bako."
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Then finally she said, "The third thing I want you to promise me
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Na kraju je rekla: "Na kraju želim da mi obećaš
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is that you'll never drink alcohol."
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da nikad nećeš piti alkohol."
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(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
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Well I was nine years old, so I said, "Yes, Mama. I'll do that."
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Imao sam devet godina pa sam rekao: "Dobro, bako."
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I grew up in the country in the rural South,
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Odrastao sam na selu na jugu SAD-a
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and I have a brother a year older than me and a sister a year younger.
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i imam godinu dana starijeg brata
i godinu dana mlađu sestru.
i godinu dana mlađu sestru.
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When I was about 14 or 15,
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Kad sam imao 14 ili 15 godina,
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one day my brother came home and he had this six-pack of beer --
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jednog je dana moj brat došao kući
i donio paket od 6 piva --
i donio paket od 6 piva --
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I don't know where he got it --
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ne znam odakle mu --
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and he grabbed me and my sister and we went out in the woods.
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uhvatio je mene i sestru i otišli smo u šumu.
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And we were kind of just out there doing the stuff we crazily did.
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Ondje smo radili gluposti, kao i obično.
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And he had a sip of this beer and he gave some to my sister and she had some,
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On je popio malo piva i dao sestri pa je i ona popila
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and they offered it to me.
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i onda su ponudili i meni.
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I said, "No, no, no. That's okay. You all go ahead. I'm not going to have any beer."
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Rekao sam: "Ne, ne. Ne treba.
Samo vi dajte. Ja neću piti pivo."
Samo vi dajte. Ja neću piti pivo."
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My brother said, "Come on. We're doing this today; you always do what we do.
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Moj brat je rekao: "Ma daj,
to radimo danas. Uvijek radiš što i mi.
to radimo danas. Uvijek radiš što i mi.
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I had some, your sister had some. Have some beer."
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I ja i sestra smo popili. Popij malo piva."
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I said, "No, I don't feel right about that. Y'all go ahead. Y'all go ahead."
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Rekao sam: "Ne, ja ne bih. Vi samo dajte."
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And then my brother started staring at me.
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Zatim je brat počeo zuriti u mene.
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He said, "What's wrong with you? Have some beer."
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Rekao je: "Što je s tobom? Popij malo piva."
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Then he looked at me real hard and he said,
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Zatim me stvarno ozbiljno pogledao i rekao:
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"Oh, I hope you're not still hung up
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"Ne držiš se valjda još uvijek
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on that conversation Mama had with you."
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onog razgovora s bakom?"
04:45
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
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I said, "Well, what are you talking about?"
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Rekao sam: "Ma o čemu ti to?"
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He said, "Oh, Mama tells all the grandkids that they're special."
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Rekao je: "Ma, baka svim unucima
kaže da su posebni."
kaže da su posebni."
04:52
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
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I was devastated.
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Bio sam shrvan.
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(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
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And I'm going to admit something to you.
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Priznat ću vam nešto.
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I'm going to tell you something I probably shouldn't.
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Reći ću vam nešto što vjerojatno ne bih trebao.
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I know this might be broadcast broadly.
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Znam da bi se ovo moglo svugdje prikazivati.
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But I'm 52 years old,
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Ali imam 52 godine
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and I'm going to admit to you
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i priznat ću vam
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that I've never had a drop of alcohol.
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da nikad nisam popio ni kapi alkohola.
05:12
(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
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I don't say that because I think that's virtuous;
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Ne kažem to jer mislim da je to vrlina.
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I say that because there is power in identity.
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Kažem to jer mislim da je u identitetu moć.
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When we create the right kind of identity,
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Kad stvorimo pravu vrstu identiteta,
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we can say things to the world around us
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možemo ljudima oko nas govoriti stvari
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that they don't actually believe makes sense.
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za koje zapravo ne vjeruju da imaju smisla.
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We can get them to do things
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Možemo postići da čine stvari
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that they don't think they can do.
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za koje ne misle da mogu učiniti.
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When I thought about my grandmother,
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Kad razmišljam o svojoj baki,
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of course she would think all her grandkids were special.
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naravno da je mislila da je
sva njena unučad posebna.
sva njena unučad posebna.
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My grandfather was in prison during prohibition.
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Moj je djed bio u zatvoru tijekom prohibicije.
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My male uncles died of alcohol-related diseases.
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Moji su ujaci i stričevi umrli od
bolesti povezanih s alkoholom.
bolesti povezanih s alkoholom.
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And these were the things she thought we needed to commit to.
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Ona je mislila da na te stvari
trebamo obratiti pozornost.
trebamo obratiti pozornost.
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Well I've been trying to say something
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Pokušavam reći nešto
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about our criminal justice system.
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o našem kaznenopravnom sustavu.
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This country is very different today
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Danas je ova zemlja drugačija
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than it was 40 years ago.
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nego prije 40 godina.
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In 1972, there were 300,000 people in jails and prisons.
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1972. godine bilo je 300.000 ljudi
u kaznionicama i zatvorima.
u kaznionicama i zatvorima.
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Today, there are 2.3 million.
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Danas ih je 2,3 milijuna.
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The United States now has the highest rate of incarceration
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SAD ima najveći postotak populacije u zatvoru
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in the world.
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na svijetu.
06:03
We have seven million people on probation and parole.
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Imamo 7 milijuna ljudi na uvjetnoj slobodi.
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And mass incarceration, in my judgment,
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Masovno zatvaranje, po mojem mišljenju,
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has fundamentally changed our world.
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temeljito je promijenilo svijet.
06:12
In poor communities, in communities of color
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U siromašnim zajednicama obojenih rasa
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there is this despair,
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vlada očaj,
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there is this hopelessness,
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vlada beznađe,
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that is being shaped by these outcomes.
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koje uzrokuju te činjenice.
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One out of three black men
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Jedan od trojice crnaca
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between the ages of 18 and 30
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u dobi između 18 i 30 godina
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is in jail, in prison, on probation or parole.
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u kaznionici je, zatvoru ili je uvjetno pušten.
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In urban communities across this country --
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U gradskim zajednicama u cijeloj zemlji --
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Los Angeles, Philadelphia, Baltimore, Washington --
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u Los Angelesu, Philadelphiji,
Baltimoreu, Washingtonu --
Baltimoreu, Washingtonu --
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50 to 60 percent of all young men of color are
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50 do 60 posto mladih crnaca
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in jail or prison or on probation or parole.
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u kaznionici su ili zatvoru ili su uvjetno pušteni.
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Our system isn't just being shaped
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Naš sustav ne oblikuju
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in these ways that seem to be distorting around race,
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samo ove nepravilnosti povezane s rasom,
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they're also distorted by poverty.
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već i one povezane sa siromaštvom.
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We have a system of justice in this country
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U ovoj zemlji imamo pravni sustav
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that treats you much better
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koji se prema vama odnosi mnogo bolje
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if you're rich and guilty than if you're poor and innocent.
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ako ste bogati i krivi nego ako ste siromašni i nevini.
06:52
Wealth, not culpability,
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Bogatstvo, a ne krivnja,
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shapes outcomes.
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utječe na rezultate.
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And yet, we seem to be very comfortable.
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A ipak se čini da nemamo ništa protiv.
07:00
The politics of fear and anger
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Politika straha i gnjeva
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have made us believe
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uvjerila nas je
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that these are problems that are not our problems.
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da to nisu naši problemi.
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We've been disconnected.
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Izgubili smo povezanost.
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It's interesting to me.
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To mi je zanimljivo.
07:11
We're looking at some very interesting developments in our work.
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U mojem poslu dolazi do zanimljivih promjena.
07:13
My state of Alabama, like a number of states,
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Moja država, Alabama, kao i brojne druge,
07:15
actually permanently disenfranchises you
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trajno oduzima pravo glasanja
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if you have a criminal conviction.
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ako ste osuđeni za kazneno djelo.
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Right now in Alabama
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Trenutno u Alabami ima
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34 percent of the black male population
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34% muške crnačke populacije
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has permanently lost the right to vote.
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koji su trajno izgubili pravo glasanja.
07:25
We're actually projecting in another 10 years
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Predviđamo da će u idućih 10 godina
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the level of disenfranchisement
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postotak populacije bez prava glasanja
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will be as high as it's been
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dostići razinu
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since prior to the passage of the Voting Rights Act.
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kao prije nego je izglasan zakon o pravu glasanja.
07:33
And there is this stunning silence.
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A svi ipak šute.
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I represent children.
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Zastupam i djecu.
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A lot of my clients are very young.
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Mnogi su moji klijenti vrlo mladi.
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The United States is the only country in the world
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SAD je jedina zemlja na svijetu
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where we sentence 13-year-old children
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gdje se 13-godišnja djeca osuđuju
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to die in prison.
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na smrt u zatvoru.
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We have life imprisonment without parole for kids in this country.
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Djeca u ovoj zemlji mogu dobiti
doživotni zatvor bez mogućnosti pomilovanja.
doživotni zatvor bez mogućnosti pomilovanja.
07:50
And we're actually doing some litigation.
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U tijeku je nekoliko takvih parnica.
07:52
The only country in the world.
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Jedina takva zemlja na svijetu.
07:54
I represent people on death row.
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Zastupam i ljude osuđene na smrt.
07:56
It's interesting, this question of the death penalty.
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Zanimljivo je to pitanje smrtne kazne.
07:58
In many ways, we've been taught to think
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Velikim smo dijelom naučeni misliti
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that the real question is,
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da je pravo pitanje
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do people deserve to die for the crimes they've committed?
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zaslužuju li ljudi umrijeti zbog zločina koje su počinili?
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And that's a very sensible question.
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I to je sasvim razumno pitanje.
08:07
But there's another way of thinking
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No, postoji i drugi način razmišljanja
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about where we are in our identity.
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o našem identitetu.
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The other way of thinking about it
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Taj drugi način
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is not, do people deserve to die for the crimes they commit,
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nije zaslužuju li ljudi umrijeti
zbog zločina koje su počinili,
zbog zločina koje su počinili,
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but do we deserve to kill?
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već zalužujemo li mi ubiti?
08:17
I mean, it's fascinating.
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To je fascinantno.
08:19
Death penalty in America is defined by error.
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Smrtna kazna u SAD-u definira se pogreškom.
08:22
For every nine people who have been executed,
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Na svakih devet smaknutih ljudi,
08:24
we've actually identified one innocent person
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identificirana je jedna nevina osoba
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who's been exonerated and released from death row.
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koja je puštena i oslobođena smrtne kazne.
08:29
A kind of astonishing error rate --
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Zapanjujuć postotak pogreške --
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one out of nine people innocent.
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jedna od devet osoba je nevina.
08:35
I mean, it's fascinating.
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Zaista je fascinantno.
08:37
In aviation, we would never let people fly on airplanes
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Nikad ne bismo dopustili ljudima da lete avionom
08:40
if for every nine planes that took off
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kad bi se za svakih devet aviona koji polete
08:42
one would crash.
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jedan srušio.
08:44
But somehow we can insulate ourselves from this problem.
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Ali nekako se uspijevamo izolirati od ovog problema.
08:47
It's not our problem.
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To nije naš problem.
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It's not our burden.
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To nije naš teret.
08:51
It's not our struggle.
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To nije naša borba.
08:53
I talk a lot about these issues.
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Mnogo govorim o tim problemima.
08:55
I talk about race and this question
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Govorim o rasi i tom pitanju --
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of whether we deserve to kill.
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zaslužujemo li ubiti.
08:59
And it's interesting, when I teach my students about African-American history,
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Zanimljivo, kad poučavam svoje studente
o afroameričkoj povijesti,
o afroameričkoj povijesti,
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I tell them about slavery.
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govorim im o ropstvu.
09:03
I tell them about terrorism,
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Govorim im o terorizmu,
09:05
the era that began at the end of reconstruction
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o eri koja je počela krajem 19. stoljeća
09:07
that went on to World War II.
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i trajala do 2. svjetskog rata.
09:09
We don't really know very much about it.
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Ne znamo mnogo o tome.
09:11
But for African-Americans in this country,
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No, za Afroamerikance u ovoj zemlji,
09:13
that was an era defined by terror.
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to je razdoblje obilježeno terorom.
09:15
In many communities, people had to worry about being lynched.
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U mnogim su zajednicama
ljudi strahovali da će biti linčovani.
ljudi strahovali da će biti linčovani.
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They had to worry about being bombed.
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Bojali su se da će ih bombardirati.
09:19
It was the threat of terror that shaped their lives.
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Prijetnja terora oblikovala je njihove živote.
09:21
And these older people come up to me now
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Stariji ljudi mi sada prilaze
09:23
and they say, "Mr. Stevenson, you give talks, you make speeches,
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i kažu: "G. Stevenson, vi držite govore,
09:26
you tell people to stop saying
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recite ljudima da prestanu govoriti
09:28
we're dealing with terrorism for the first time in our nation's history
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da se suočavamo s terorizmom
po prvi put u povijesti našeg naroda
po prvi put u povijesti našeg naroda
09:31
after 9/11."
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nakon 11. rujna."
09:33
They tell me to say, "No, tell them that we grew up with that."
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Kažu mi: "Ne, recite im da smo mi odrasli uz to."
09:36
And that era of terrorism, of course,
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Nakon te ere terorizma, naravno,
09:38
was followed by segregation
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slijedila je segregacija
09:40
and decades of racial subordination
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i desetljeća rasne potčinjenosti
09:42
and apartheid.
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i apartheida.
09:44
And yet, we have in this country this dynamic
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A ipak, u ovoj zemlji postoji ta dinamika
09:47
where we really don't like to talk about our problems.
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da baš i ne volimo govoriti o svojim problemima.
09:50
We don't like to talk about our history.
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Ne volimo govoriti o svojoj prošlosti.
09:53
And because of that, we really haven't understood
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Zbog toga zaista nismo shvatili
09:56
what it's meant to do the things we've done historically.
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pravo značenje stvari koje smo radili u prošlosti.
09:59
We're constantly running into each other.
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Neprestano se zalijećemo jedni u druge.
10:01
We're constantly creating tensions and conflicts.
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Neprestano stvaramo napetosti i sukobe.
10:03
We have a hard time talking about race,
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Teško nam je govoriti o rasi
10:06
and I believe it's because we are unwilling to commit ourselves
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i mislim da je to stoga što se nismo voljni posvetiti
10:10
to a process of truth and reconciliation.
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procesu istine i pomirenja.
10:12
In South Africa, people understood
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U Južnoj Africi ljudi su shvatili
10:14
that we couldn't overcome apartheid
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da nismo mogli prevladati apartheid
10:16
without a commitment to truth and reconciliation.
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bez posvećenosti istini i pomirenju.
10:18
In Rwanda, even after the genocide, there was this commitment,
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U Ruandi je čak i nakon genocida
postojala ta posvećenost,
postojala ta posvećenost,
10:21
but in this country we haven't done that.
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ali u ovoj zemlji nije.
10:23
I was giving some lectures in Germany about the death penalty.
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U Njemačkoj sam održao
nekoliko predavanja o smrtnoj kazni.
nekoliko predavanja o smrtnoj kazni.
10:26
It was fascinating
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Bilo je fascinantno
10:28
because one of the scholars stood up after the presentation
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jer je jedna od znanstvenica
ustala nakon prezentacije
ustala nakon prezentacije
10:31
and said, "Well you know it's deeply troubling
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i rekla: "Znate da je duboko uznemirujuće
10:33
to hear what you're talking about."
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čuti to o čemu govorite."
10:35
He said, "We don't have the death penalty in Germany.
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Rekla je: "U Njemačkoj nema smrtne kazne.
10:38
And of course, we can never have the death penalty in Germany."
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Naravno, nikad nećemo ni moći
imati smrtnu kaznu u Njemačkoj."
imati smrtnu kaznu u Njemačkoj."
10:41
And the room got very quiet,
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Prostorija je utihnula
10:43
and this woman said,
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i ta je žena rekla:
10:45
"There's no way, with our history,
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"S obzirom na našu povijest, nema šanse
10:48
we could ever engage
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da bismo se ikad mogli upustiti
10:50
in the systematic killing of human beings.
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u sustavno ubijanje ljudskih bića.
10:52
It would be unconscionable for us
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Za nas bi bilo nezamislivo
10:56
to, in an intentional and deliberate way,
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da svjesno i namjerno
10:58
set about executing people."
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počnemo pogubljivati ljude."
11:01
And I thought about that.
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Razmislio sam o tome.
11:03
What would it feel like
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Kakav bi bio osjećaj
11:05
to be living in a world
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živjeti na svijetu
11:07
where the nation state of Germany was executing people,
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gdje Njemačka pogubljuje ljude,
11:10
especially if they were disproportionately Jewish?
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pogotovo ako je među njima
nesrazmjerno mnogo židova?
nesrazmjerno mnogo židova?
11:12
I couldn't bear it.
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Nisam to mogao podnijeti.
11:14
It would be unconscionable.
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Bilo bi nepodnošljivo.
11:16
And yet, in this country,
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Pa ipak, u ovoj zemlji,
11:18
in the states of the Old South,
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u starim južnjačkim državama,
11:20
we execute people --
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pogubljujemo ljude --
11:22
where you're 11 times more likely to get the death penalty
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i imate 11 puta veće šanse dobiti smrtnu kaznu
11:24
if the victim is white than if the victim is black,
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ako je žrtva bijela nego ako je crna,
11:26
22 times more likely to get it
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a 22 puta veće šanse
11:28
if the defendant is black and the victim is white --
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ako je optuženi crnac, a žrtva bijela --
11:30
in the very states where there are buried in the ground
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i to u državama gdje su zakopana
11:32
the bodies of people who were lynched.
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tijela linčovanih ljudi.
11:34
And yet, there is this disconnect.
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A ipak se oglušujemo.
11:38
Well I believe that our identity is at risk.
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Mislim da stavljamo svoj identitet na kocku.
11:42
That when we actually don't care
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Iako nam baš i nije stalo
11:45
about these difficult things,
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do ovih teških stvari,
11:48
the positive and wonderful things
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pozitivne i prekrasne stvari
11:50
are nonetheless implicated.
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ipak su u to umiješane.
11:53
We love innovation.
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Mi volimo inovacije.
11:55
We love technology. We love creativity.
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Volimo tehnologiju. Volimo kreativnost.
11:58
We love entertainment.
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Volimo zabavu.
12:00
But ultimately,
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No na kraju,
12:02
those realities
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ta su postignuća
12:04
are shadowed by suffering,
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zasjenjena patnjom,
12:07
abuse, degradation,
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zlostavljanjem, ponižavanjem,
12:09
marginalization.
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marginalizacijom.
12:11
And for me, it becomes necessary
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Mislim da je postalo nužno
12:13
to integrate the two.
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integrirati to dvoje.
12:15
Because ultimately we are talking
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Radi se, na kraju krajeva,
12:17
about a need to be more hopeful,
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o potrebi da se više nadamo,
12:19
more committed, more dedicated
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da se više damo i posvetimo
12:22
to the basic challenges of living in a complex world.
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temeljnim izazovima života u složenome svijetu.
12:25
And for me that means
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Za mene to znači
12:28
spending time thinking and talking
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razmišljanje i razgovaranje
12:30
about the poor, the disadvantaged,
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o siromašnima, obespravljenima,
12:33
those who will never get to TED.
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onima koji nikad neće uspjeti doći na TED.
12:35
But thinking about them in a way
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No, treba razmišljati o njima na način
12:37
that is integrated in our own lives.
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koji je integriran u naše živote.
12:39
You know ultimately, we all have to believe things we haven't seen.
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Na kraju, svi moramo
vjerovati u stvari koje nismo vidjeli.
vjerovati u stvari koje nismo vidjeli.
12:43
We do. As rational as we are, as committed to intellect as we are.
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Moramo. Koliko god bili racionalni,
koliko se god pozivali na intelekt.
koliko se god pozivali na intelekt.
12:47
Innovation, creativity,
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Inovacije, kreativnost,
12:49
development comes
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i razvitak ne nastaju
12:51
not from the ideas in our mind alone.
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samo iz ideja u našem umu.
12:53
They come from the ideas in our mind
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Nastaju iz ideja u našem umu
12:56
that are also fueled
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koje ujedno potiče
12:58
by some conviction in our heart.
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neko uvjerenje u našem srcu.
13:00
And it's that mind-heart connection
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Vjerujem da ta povezanost uma i srca
13:02
that I believe compels us
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primorava nas
13:04
to not just be attentive
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ne samo da primjećujemo
13:06
to all the bright and dazzly things,
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sve sjajne i privlačne stvari,
13:09
but also the dark and difficult things.
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već i na mračne i teške stvari.
13:12
Vaclav Havel, the great Czech leader, talked about this.
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Vaclav Havel, veliki češki vođa, govorio je o tome.
13:15
He said, "When we were in Eastern Europe and dealing with oppression,
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Rekao je: "Kad smo ovdje
u istočnoj Europi bili potlačeni,
u istočnoj Europi bili potlačeni,
13:18
we wanted all kinds of things,
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željeli smo razne stvari,
13:20
but mostly what we needed was hope,
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ali ponajviše smo trebali nadu,
13:22
an orientation of the spirit,
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usmjerenost duha,
13:24
a willingness to sometimes be in hopeless places
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voljnost da ponekad budemo na beznadnom mjestu
13:26
and be a witness."
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i budemo svjedoci."
13:28
Well that orientation of the spirit
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Ta usmjerenost duha
13:30
is very much at the core of what I believe
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u samoj je srži onoga u što vjerujem
13:33
even TED communities
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da se čak i TED zajednice
13:35
have to be engaged in.
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moraju uključiti.
13:37
There is no disconnect
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Ne postoji štit
13:39
around technology and design
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oko tehnologije i dizajna
13:42
that will allow us to be fully human
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koji će nam omogućiti potpunu ljudskost
13:44
until we pay attention to suffering,
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dok ne obratim pažnju na patnju,
13:47
to poverty, to exclusion, to unfairness, to injustice.
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siromaštvo, isključenost, nepoštenost, nepravdu.
13:50
Now I will warn you
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Upozorit ću vas
13:52
that this kind of identity
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da je ta vrsta identiteta
13:54
is a much more challenging identity
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mnogo zahtjevnija
13:57
than ones that don't pay attention to this.
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od onih koji ne obraćaju pažnju na to.
13:59
It will get to you.
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Dotući će vas.
14:01
I had the great privilege, when I was a young lawyer, of meeting Rosa Parks.
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Dok sam bio mladi odvjetnik, imao sam
veliku privilegiju upoznati Rosu Parks.
veliku privilegiju upoznati Rosu Parks.
14:04
And Ms. Parks used to come back to Montgomery every now and then,
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Gđa Parks svako bi se toliko
vratila u Montgomery
vratila u Montgomery
14:07
and she would get together with two of her dearest friends,
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i družila se sa svoje dvije najbolje prijateljice,
14:09
these older women,
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starije žene,
14:11
Johnnie Carr who was the organizer
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Johnnie Carr, koja je bila organizatorica
14:13
of the Montgomery bus boycott --
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bojkota autobusa u Montgomeryju --
14:15
amazing African-American woman --
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fascinantna Afroamerikanka --
14:17
and Virginia Durr, a white woman,
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i Virginijom Durr, bjelkinjom
14:19
whose husband, Clifford Durr, represented Dr. King.
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čiji je suprug, Clifford Durr, zastupao dr. Kinga.
14:21
And these women would get together and just talk.
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One bi se skupile i samo razgovarale.
14:24
And every now and then Ms. Carr would call me,
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Povremeno bi me nazvala gđa Carr
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and she'd say, "Bryan, Ms. Parks is coming to town. We're going to get together and talk.
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i rekla: "Bryane, gđa Parks dolazi u grad.
Sastat ćemo se i razgovarati.
Sastat ćemo se i razgovarati.
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Do you want to come over and listen?"
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Želiš li doći i slušati?"
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And I'd say, "Yes, Ma'am, I do."
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A ja bih rekao: "Da, gospođo, želim."
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And she'd say, "Well what are you going to do when you get here?"
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Rekla bi: "Što ćeš raditi kad dođeš ovamo?"
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I said, "I'm going to listen."
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Odgovorio sam: "Slušat ću."
14:37
And I'd go over there and I would, I would just listen.
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I otišao bih onamo i samo slušao.
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It would be so energizing and so empowering.
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To bi me toliko osnažilo i dalo mi energiju.
14:41
And one time I was over there listening to these women talk,
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Jednom kad sam ih tako slušao,
14:44
and after a couple of hours Ms. Parks turned to me
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nakon nekoliko sati
gđa Parks okrenula se prema meni
gđa Parks okrenula se prema meni
14:46
and she said, "Now Bryan, tell me what the Equal Justice Initiative is.
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i rekla: "No, Bryane, reci mi
što je Inicijativa za jednaku pravdu.
što je Inicijativa za jednaku pravdu.
14:49
Tell me what you're trying to do."
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Reci mi što želiš postići."
14:51
And I began giving her my rap.
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Počeo sam sa svojim uobičajenim govorom.
14:53
I said, "Well we're trying to challenge injustice.
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Rekao sam: "Nastojimo upozoriti na nepravdu.
14:55
We're trying to help people who have been wrongly convicted.
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Pokušavamo pomoći ljudima
koji su nepravedno osuđeni.
koji su nepravedno osuđeni.
14:57
We're trying to confront bias and discrimination
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Želimo se suočiti s pristranošću i diskriminacijom
14:59
in the administration of criminal justice.
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u administraciji kaznenog prava.
15:01
We're trying to end life without parole sentences for children.
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Želimo ukidanje doživotnih kazni
bez mogućnosti pomilovanja za djecu.
bez mogućnosti pomilovanja za djecu.
15:04
We're trying to do something about the death penalty.
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Želimo učiniti nešto po pitanju smrtne kazne.
15:06
We're trying to reduce the prison population.
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Nastojimo smanjiti broj ljudi u zatvorima.
15:08
We're trying to end mass incarceration."
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Želimo zaustaviti masovno zatvaranje."
15:10
I gave her my whole rap, and when I finished she looked at me
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Sve sam joj izrecitirao,
a kad sam završio, pogledala me
a kad sam završio, pogledala me
15:12
and she said, "Mmm mmm mmm."
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i rekla: "Mmm mmm mmm."
15:15
She said, "That's going to make you tired, tired, tired."
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Rekla je: "To će te umoriti, umoriti, umoriti."
15:18
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
15:20
And that's when Ms. Carr leaned forward, she put her finger in my face,
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Tada se gđa Carr nagnula i zaprijetila mi prstom
15:22
she said, "That's why you've got to be brave, brave, brave."
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te rekla: "Zato moraš biti hrabar, hrabar, hrabar."
15:28
And I actually believe that the TED community
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Zaista vjerujem da TED zajednica
15:31
needs to be more courageous.
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mora biti hrabrija.
15:33
We need to find ways
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Moramo pronaći načine
15:35
to embrace these challenges,
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prihvaćanja tih izazova,
15:37
these problems, the suffering.
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tih problema, te patnje.
15:39
Because ultimately, our humanity depends
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Naša ljudskost ovisi, na kraju,
15:42
on everyone's humanity.
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o ljudskosti svih ostalih.
15:44
I've learned very simple things doing the work that I do.
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Baveći se ovim poslom
naučio sam vrlo jednostavne stvari.
naučio sam vrlo jednostavne stvari.
15:46
It's just taught me very simple things.
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Posao me naučio vrlo jednostavnim stvarima.
15:48
I've come to understand and to believe
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Sada shvaćam i vjerujem
15:51
that each of us
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da nitko od nas
15:53
is more than the worst thing we've ever done.
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nije samo ono najgore što je ikad učinio.
15:55
I believe that for every person on the planet.
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Vjerujem da je tako sa svakom osobom na planetu.
15:58
I think if somebody tells a lie, they're not just a liar.
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Mislim da, ako netko kaže laž, nije samo lažljivac.
16:01
I think if somebody takes something that doesn't belong to them,
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Mislim da, ako netko uzme nešto što mu ne pripada,
16:03
they're not just a thief.
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nije samo lopov.
16:05
I think even if you kill someone, you're not just a killer.
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Mislim da, čak i ako ubiješ nekoga, nisi samo ubojica.
16:08
And because of that there's this basic human dignity
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Zbog toga postoji temeljno ljudsko dostojanstvo
16:11
that must be respected by law.
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koje zakon mora poštovati.
16:13
I also believe
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Također vjerujem
16:15
that in many parts of this country,
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da u mnogim dijelovima ove zemlje,
16:17
and certainly in many parts of this globe,
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a svakako i u mnogim dijelovima svijeta,
16:21
that the opposite of poverty is not wealth.
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suprotno od siromaštva nije bogatstvo.
16:23
I don't believe that.
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Ne mislim to.
16:25
I actually think, in too many places,
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Zapravo mislim da je i na previše mjesta
16:28
the opposite of poverty is justice.
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suprotno od siromaštva pravda.
16:31
And finally, I believe
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Na kraju, mislim da,
16:34
that, despite the fact that it is so dramatic
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unatoč činjenici da je to tako dramatično
16:37
and so beautiful and so inspiring
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i predivno i nadahnjuje nas
16:39
and so stimulating,
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i stimulira,
16:41
we will ultimately not be judged by our technology,
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na kraju nam neće suditi naša tehnologija,
16:44
we won't be judged by our design,
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neće nam suditi naš dizajn,
16:47
we won't be judged by our intellect and reason.
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neće nam suditi prema našem intelektu i razumu.
16:50
Ultimately, you judge the character of a society,
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Karakter društva ne prosuđuje se, na kraju,
16:53
not by how they treat their rich and the powerful and the privileged,
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prema tome kako se odnosti prema
bogatima i moćnima i privilegiranima,
bogatima i moćnima i privilegiranima,
16:56
but by how they treat the poor,
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već prema tome kako se odnosi prema siromašnima,
16:58
the condemned, the incarcerated.
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osuđenima, zatvorenima.
17:00
Because it's in that nexus
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U toj povezanosti
17:02
that we actually begin to understand truly profound things
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zapravo počinjemo duboko shvaćati
17:05
about who we are.
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tko smo.
17:09
I sometimes get out of balance. I'll end with this story.
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Ponekad me to izbaci iz ravnoteže.
Završit ću s ovom pričom.
Završit ću s ovom pričom.
17:11
I sometimes push too hard.
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Ponekad pretjeram.
17:13
I do get tired, as we all do.
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Umorim se, kao i svi.
17:15
Sometimes those ideas get ahead of our thinking
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Ponekad te ideje stanu ispred razmišljanja
17:18
in ways that are important.
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na načine koji su bitni.
17:20
And I've been representing these kids
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Ja zastupam djecu
17:22
who have been sentenced to do these very harsh sentences.
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koja su osuđena na vrlo stroge kazne.
17:24
And I go to the jail and I see my client who's 13 and 14,
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Odlazim u zatvor svojem klijentu koji ima 13 ili 14 g.,
17:27
and he's been certified to stand trial as an adult.
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a određeno je da ćemu se suditi kao odraslome.
17:30
I start thinking, well, how did that happen?
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Počinjem razmišljati kako je došlo do toga.
17:32
How can a judge turn you into something
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Kako te sudac može pretvoriti
17:34
that you're not?
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u nešto što nisi?
17:36
And the judge has certified him as an adult, but I see this kid.
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Sudac ga smatra odraslim, ali ja vidim dijete.
17:39
And I was up too late one night and I starting thinking,
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Jedne sam noći predugo bio budan i razmišljao,
17:41
well gosh, if the judge can turn you into something that you're not,
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Bože, ako te sudac može pretvoriti u nešto što nisi,
17:43
the judge must have magic power.
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sigurno ima čarobne moći.
17:45
Yeah, Bryan, the judge has some magic power.
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Da, Bryane, sudac ima čarobne moći.
17:48
You should ask for some of that.
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I tebi bi to dobro došlo.
17:50
And because I was up too late, wasn't thinking real straight,
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Budući da sam bio budan prekasno,
nisam razmišljao bistre glave
nisam razmišljao bistre glave
17:52
I started working on a motion.
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i počeo sam raditi na podnesku.
17:54
And I had a client who was 14 years old, a young, poor black kid.
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Imao sam klijenta koji je imao 14 godina
i bio siromašno crno dijete.
i bio siromašno crno dijete.
17:57
And I started working on this motion,
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Počeo sam raditi na podnesku
17:59
and the head of the motion was: "Motion to try my poor,
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čiji je naslov bio: "Podnesak da se
18:01
14-year-old black male client
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mojem siromašnom 14-godišnjem
crnom muškom klijentu
crnom muškom klijentu
18:03
like a privileged, white 75-year-old
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sudi kao privilegiranom, bijelom 75-godišnjem
18:05
corporate executive."
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izvršnom direktoru."
18:07
(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
18:12
And I put in my motion
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U svoj sam podnesak uključio
18:14
that there was prosecutorial misconduct and police misconduct and judicial misconduct.
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da je bilo nepravilnosti od strane
tužitelja, policije i suda.
tužitelja, policije i suda.
18:17
There was a crazy line in there about how there's no conduct in this county,
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Bila je tu i rečenica kako u ovoj zemlji
ni nema pravilnog postupanja,
ni nema pravilnog postupanja,
18:19
it's all misconduct.
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sve su nepravilnosti.
18:21
And the next morning, I woke up and I thought, now did I dream that crazy motion,
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Sljedećeg sam se jutra probudio
i mislio jesam li sanjao taj ludi podnesak
i mislio jesam li sanjao taj ludi podnesak
18:24
or did I actually write it?
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ili sam ga stvarno napisao?
18:26
And to my horror, not only had I written it,
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U šoku sam otkrio da ne samo da sam ga napisao,
18:28
but I had sent it to court.
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nego sam ga i poslao na sud.
18:30
(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
18:33
A couple months went by,
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Prošlo je nekoliko mjeseci
18:36
and I had just forgotten all about it.
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i potpuno sam zaboravio na to.
18:38
And I finally decided,
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Na kraju sam odlučio
18:40
oh gosh, I've got to go to the court and do this crazy case.
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da moram otići na sud i riješiti taj ludi slučaj.
18:42
And I got into my car
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Ušao sam u auto
18:44
and I was feeling really overwhelmed -- overwhelmed.
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i osjećao sam se zaista preplavljeno.
18:46
And I got in my car and I went to this courthouse.
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Ušao sam u auto i odvezao se do sudnice.
18:48
And I was thinking, this is going to be so difficult, so painful.
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Mislio sam kako će to biti vrlo teško i bolno.
18:51
And I finally got out of the car and I started walking up to the courthouse.
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Natjerao sam se da iziđem iz auta
i krenem prema sudnici.
i krenem prema sudnici.
18:54
And as I was walking up the steps of this courthouse,
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Dok sam se penjao stepenicama,
18:56
there was an older black man who was the janitor in this courthouse.
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vidio sam starijeg crnca koji je bio domar u sudnici.
18:59
When this man saw me, he came over to me
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Kad me vidio, prišao mi je
19:01
and he said, "Who are you?"
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i rekao: "Tko si ti?"
19:03
I said, "I'm a lawyer." He said, "You're a lawyer?" I said, "Yes, sir."
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Rekao sam: "Odvjetnik sam." Rekao je:
"Odvjetnik?" Odgovorio sam: "Tako je."
"Odvjetnik?" Odgovorio sam: "Tako je."
19:06
And this man came over to me
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Zatim mi je prišao
19:08
and he hugged me.
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i zagrlio me.
19:10
And he whispered in my ear.
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Šapnuo mi je u uho:
19:12
He said, "I'm so proud of you."
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"Tako sam ponosan na tebe."
19:14
And I have to tell you,
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Moram vam priznati
19:16
it was energizing.
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da mi je to dalo energiju.
19:18
It connected deeply with something in me
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Duboko se u meni povezalo
19:20
about identity,
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s identitetom,
19:22
about the capacity of every person to contribute
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sa sposobnošću svake osobe da doprinese
19:25
to a community, to a perspective that is hopeful.
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zajednici, perspektivi u kojoj ima nade.
19:27
Well I went into the courtroom.
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Dakle, ušao sam u sudnicu.
19:29
And as soon as I walked inside, the judge saw me coming in.
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Čim sam ušao, sudac me primijetio.
19:31
He said, "Mr. Stevenson, did you write this crazy motion?"
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Rekao je: "G. Stevenson, jeste li
Vi napisali ovaj ludi podnesak?"
Vi napisali ovaj ludi podnesak?"
19:34
I said, "Yes, sir. I did." And we started arguing.
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Rekao sam: "Da, jesam." Počeli smo se prepirati.
19:36
And people started coming in because they were just outraged.
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Ljudi su počeli ulaziti jer su bilo šokirani.
19:38
I had written these crazy things.
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Napisao sam lude stvari.
19:40
And police officers were coming in
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Ulazili su policajci,
19:42
and assistant prosecutors and clerk workers.
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pomoćnici tužitelja i činovnici.
19:44
And before I knew it, the courtroom was filled with people
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Sudnica je u tren oka bila puna ljudi
19:46
angry that we were talking about race,
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ljutih što govorimo o rasi,
19:48
that we were talking about poverty,
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što govorimo o siromaštvu,
19:50
that we were talking about inequality.
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što govorimo o nejednakosti.
19:52
And out of the corner of my eye, I could see this janitor pacing back and forth.
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Krajičkom oka vidio sam
domara kako korača amo-tamo.
domara kako korača amo-tamo.
19:55
And he kept looking through the window, and he could hear all of this holler.
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Pogledavao je kroz prozor
i čuo svu tu dernjavu.
i čuo svu tu dernjavu.
19:57
He kept pacing back and forth.
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Neprestano je koračao amo-tamo.
19:59
And finally, this older black man with this very worried look on his face
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Na kraju je taj stari crnac sa zabrinutim izrazom lica
20:02
came into the courtroom and sat down behind me,
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ušao u sudnicu i sjeo iza mene,
20:05
almost at counsel table.
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gotovo za odvjetničkim stolom.
20:07
About 10 minutes later the judge said we would take a break.
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Nakon desetak minuta, sudac je odredio pauzu.
20:09
And during the break there was a deputy sheriff who was offended
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Tijekom pauze vidio sam zamjenika šerifa
koji je bio uvrijeđen
koji je bio uvrijeđen
20:12
that the janitor had come into court.
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što je domar ušao u sudnicu.
20:14
And this deputy jumped up and he ran over to this older black man.
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Taj je zamjenik naglo ustao
i otrčao do tog starog crnca.
i otrčao do tog starog crnca.
20:16
He said, "Jimmy, what are you doing in this courtroom?"
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Rekao je: "Jimmy, što radiš u ovoj sudnici?"
20:19
And this older black man stood up
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Starac je ustao,
20:21
and he looked at that deputy and he looked at me
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pogledao zamjenika šerifa pa mene
20:23
and he said, "I came into this courtroom
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i rekao: "Došao sam u sudnicu
20:26
to tell this young man,
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kako bih ovom mladiću rekao
20:28
keep your eyes on the prize, hold on."
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da se usredotoči na cilj, da izdrži."
20:31
I've come to TED
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Došao sam na TED
20:33
because I believe that many of you understand
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jer vjerujem da mnogi od vas shvaćaju
20:35
that the moral arc of the universe is long,
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da je moralni luk svemira dug,
20:37
but it bends toward justice.
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ali naginje se prema pravdi.
20:39
That we cannot be full evolved human beings
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Ne možemo potpuno evoluirati kao ljudska bića
20:42
until we care about human rights and basic dignity.
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dok ne počnemo brinuti za
ljudska prava i temeljno dostojanstvo.
ljudska prava i temeljno dostojanstvo.
20:45
That all of our survival
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Preživljavanje svih nas
20:47
is tied to the survival of everyone.
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povezano je s preživljavanjem svih ostalih.
20:49
That our visions of technology and design
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Naše vizije tehnologije i dizajna
20:51
and entertainment and creativity
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i zabave i kreativnosti
20:53
have to be married with visions
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moraju se povezati s vizijama
20:55
of humanity, compassion and justice.
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ljudskosti, suosjećanja i pravde.
20:58
And more than anything,
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A najviše od svega,
21:00
for those of you who share that,
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vama koji već tako razmišljate
21:02
I've simply come to tell you
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došao sam reći
21:04
to keep your eyes on the prize, hold on.
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da se usredotočite na cilj i izdržite.
21:06
Thank you very much.
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Hvala vam puno.
21:08
(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
21:29
Chris Anderson: So you heard and saw
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Chris Anderson: Vidio si i čuo
21:31
an obvious desire by this audience, this community,
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da ova publika, odnosno zajednica, ima veliku želju
21:34
to help you on your way and to do something on this issue.
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pomoći ti da učiniš nešto po ovom pitanju.
21:37
Other than writing a check,
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Osim doniranja novca,
21:39
what could we do?
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što još možemo učiniti?
21:42
BS: Well there are opportunities all around us.
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BS: Prilike su svugdje oko nas.
21:44
If you live in the state of California, for example,
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Ako, primjerice, živite u Kaliforniji,
21:46
there's a referendum coming up this spring
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na proljeće će biti referendum
21:48
where actually there's going to be an effort
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kojim će se pokušati
21:50
to redirect some of the money we spend on the politics of punishment.
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preusmjeriti dio novca koji
trošimo na politiku kažnjavanja.
trošimo na politiku kažnjavanja.
21:53
For example, here in California
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Na primjer, ovdje u Kaliforniji
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we're going to spend one billion dollars
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potrošit ćemo milijardu dolara
21:57
on the death penalty in the next five years --
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na smrtnu kaznu u idućih pet godina --
21:59
one billion dollars.
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milijardu dolara.
22:02
And yet, 46 percent of all homicide cases
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A ipak, 46% slučajeva ubojstva
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don't result in arrest.
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ne završi uhićenjem.
22:06
56 percent of all rape cases don't result.
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Isto tako i 56% slučajeva silovanja.
22:08
So there's an opportunity to change that.
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Tu je, dakle, prilika za promjenu.
22:10
And this referendum would propose having those dollars
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Taj će referendum predložiti preusmjerenje tih dolara
22:12
go to law enforcement and safety.
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u policiju i sigurnost.
22:15
And I think that opportunity exists all around us.
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Mislim da ta prilika postoji svugdje oko nas.
22:17
CA: There's been this huge decline
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CA: Došlo je do velikog opadanja
22:19
in crime in America over the last three decades.
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stope zločina u Americi u posljednja tri desetljeća.
22:22
And part of the narrative of that
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Jedno od objašnjenja
22:25
is sometimes that it's about increased incarceration rates.
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ponekad je da je to zbog
povećanog broja zatvorenika.
povećanog broja zatvorenika.
22:28
What would you say to someone who believed that?
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Što biste rekli nekome tko tako misli?
22:30
BS: Well actually the violent crime rate
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BS: Stopa nasilnih zločina
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has remained relatively stable.
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zapravo je relativno stabilna.
22:34
The great increase in mass incarceration in this country
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Velik porast broja zatvorenika u ovoj zemlji
22:36
wasn't really in violent crime categories.
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zapravo nije u kategoriji nasilnih zločina.
22:39
It was this misguided war on drugs.
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Tu se radi u promašenom ratu protiv droge.
22:41
That's where the dramatic increases have come
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Odatle taj dramatičan porast
22:43
in our prison population.
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broja zatvorenika.
22:46
And we got carried away with the rhetoric of punishment.
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Zanijeli smo se retorikom kažnjavanja.
22:49
And so we have three strikes laws
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Tako imamo zakone o tri pogreške
22:51
that put people in prison forever
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koji ljude zauvijek šalju u zatvor
22:53
for stealing a bicycle, for low-level property crimes,
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zbog krađe bicikla, zbog sitnih
zločina protiv vlasništva,
zločina protiv vlasništva,
22:56
rather than making them give those resources back
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umjesto da narede vraćanje ukradenog
22:58
to the people who they victimized.
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ljudima kojima je nanesena šteta.
23:00
I believe we need to do more to help people who are victimized by crime,
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Mislim da moramo više pomagati
ljudima kojima je zločinom nanesena šteta,
ljudima kojima je zločinom nanesena šteta,
23:02
not do less.
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a ne manje.
23:04
And I think our current punishment philosophy
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Mislim da naša trenutna filozofija kažnjavanja
23:06
does nothing for no one.
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ne koristi nikome.
23:08
And I think that's the orientation that we have to change.
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Mislim da je to orijentacija koju moramo promijeniti.
23:10
(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
23:12
CA: Bryan, you've struck a massive chord here.
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CA: Bryane, pogodio si žicu.
23:15
You're an inspiring person.
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Nadahnuo si nas.
23:17
Thank you so much for coming to TED. Thank you.
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Hvala ti što si došao na TED. Hvala.
23:19
(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Bryan Stevenson - Public-interest lawyerBryan Stevenson is the founder and executive director of the Equal Justice Initiative, fighting poverty and challenging racial discrimination in the criminal justice system.
Why you should listen
Bryan Stevenson is a public-interest lawyer who has dedicated his career to helping the poor, the incarcerated and the condemned. He's the founder and executive director of the Equal Justice Initiative, an Alabama-based group that has won major legal challenges eliminating excessive and unfair sentencing, exonerating innocent prisoners on death row, confronting abuse of the incarcerated and the mentally ill, and aiding children prosecuted as adults.
EJI recently won an historic ruling in the U.S. Supreme Court holding that mandatory life-without-parole sentences for all children 17 or younger are unconstitutional. Mr. Stevenson’s work fighting poverty and challenging racial discrimination in the criminal justice system has won him numerous awards. He is a graduate of the Harvard Law School and the Harvard School of Government, and has been awarded 14 honorary doctorate degrees. Bryan is the author of Just Mercy: A Story of Justice and Redemption.
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