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Dalia Mogahed: What it's like to be Muslim in America
Dalija Mogahed (Dalia Mogahed): Šta pomislite kada me pogledate?
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Kad pogledate muslimansku učenjakinju Daliju Mogahed, šta vidite: vernicu? učenjakinju, majku, sestru? ili potlačenu ženu, ispranog mozga i potencijalnu teroristkinju? U ličnom, snažnom govoru, Mogahed zahteva od nas da se u ovom polarizovanom vremenu borimo protiv negativnih tumačenja njene vere u medijima - i da izaberemo saosećanje umesto predrasuda.
Dalia Mogahed - Muslim studies scholar
Researcher and pollster Dalia Mogahed is an author, advisor and consultant who studies Muslim communities. Full bio
Researcher and pollster Dalia Mogahed is an author, advisor and consultant who studies Muslim communities. Full bio
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00:13
What do you think when you look at me?
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Šta pomislite kad me pogledate?
00:16
A woman of faith? An expert?
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Da sam vernica? Ekspertkinja?
00:19
Maybe even a sister.
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Možda čak i sestra.
00:21
Or oppressed,
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Ili potlačena žena,
00:23
brainwashed,
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ispranog mozga,
00:25
a terrorist.
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teroristkinja.
00:28
Or just an airport security line delay.
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Ili sam prosto razlog za kašnjenje
zbog bezbednosti na aerodromu.
zbog bezbednosti na aerodromu.
00:32
That one's actually true.
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Poslednje je zapravo istina.
00:34
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
00:35
If some of your perceptions were negative,
I don't really blame you.
I don't really blame you.
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Ako su poimanja nekih od vas negativna,
uistinu vas ne krivim.
uistinu vas ne krivim.
00:38
That's just how the media
has been portraying
has been portraying
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Tako prosto mediji prikazuju
00:41
people who look like me.
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ljude koji izgledaju kao ja.
00:42
One study found
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Jedno istraživanje je otkrilo
da je 80 procenata vesti
o islamu i muslimanima negativno.
o islamu i muslimanima negativno.
00:44
that 80 percent of news coverage
about Islam and Muslims is negative.
about Islam and Muslims is negative.
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00:48
And studies show that Americans
say that most don't know a Muslim.
say that most don't know a Muslim.
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A istraživanja su pokazala
da Amerikanci većinom tvrde
da Amerikanci većinom tvrde
da ne znaju ni jednog muslimana.
00:53
I guess people don't talk
to their Uber drivers.
to their Uber drivers.
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Izgleda da ljudi ne razgovaraju
sa vozačima iz firme Uber.
sa vozačima iz firme Uber.
00:55
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
00:59
Well, for those of you
who have never met a Muslim,
who have never met a Muslim,
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Pa, svi vi koji nikad niste
upoznali ni jednog muslimana,
upoznali ni jednog muslimana,
01:02
it's great to meet you.
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drago mi je što smo se upoznali.
01:05
Let me tell you who I am.
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Dozvolite mi da se predstavim.
01:08
I'm a mom, a coffee lover --
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Ja sam majka, ljubiteljka kafe -
01:11
double espresso, cream on the side.
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duplog espresa sa šlagom.
01:14
I'm an introvert.
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Introvert sam.
01:16
I'm a wannabe fitness fanatic.
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Želja mi je da budem fitnes fanatik.
01:18
And I'm a practicing, spiritual Muslim.
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I vernica sam, produhovljena muslimanka.
01:23
But not like Lady Gaga says,
because baby, I wasn't born this way.
because baby, I wasn't born this way.
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Ali ne u fazonu Lejdi Gage
jer, dušo, nisam rođena ovakva.
jer, dušo, nisam rođena ovakva.
01:28
It was a choice.
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To je bio izbor.
01:31
When I was 17, I decided to come out.
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Kad mi je bilo 17 godina,
odlučila sam da to obznanim.
odlučila sam da to obznanim.
01:35
No, not as a gay person
like some of my friends,
like some of my friends,
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Ne, ne da sam gej kao neki moji prijatelji
01:38
but as a Muslim,
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već da sam muslimanka,
01:40
and decided to start wearing
the hijab, my head covering.
the hijab, my head covering.
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te sam počela da nosim hidžab,
da pokrivam glavu.
da pokrivam glavu.
01:44
My feminist friends were aghast:
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Moji prijatelji feministi
su bili zgroženi:
su bili zgroženi:
01:47
"Why are you oppressing yourself?"
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"Zašto tlačiš samu sebe?"
01:51
The funny thing was,
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Smešno je bilo
01:52
it was actually at that time
a feminist declaration of independence
a feminist declaration of independence
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da je to zapravo, u to vreme,
bila feministička objava nezavisnosti
bila feministička objava nezavisnosti
01:58
from the pressure I felt as a 17-year-old,
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od pritisaka koje sam osećala
kao 17-ogodišnjakinja,
kao 17-ogodišnjakinja,
02:02
to conform to a perfect
and unattainable standard of beauty.
and unattainable standard of beauty.
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koji su me terali da se povinujem
savršenim i nedostižnim idealima lepote.
savršenim i nedostižnim idealima lepote.
02:07
I didn't just passively accept
the faith of my parents.
the faith of my parents.
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Nisam prosto pasivno prihvatala
veru mojih roditelja.
veru mojih roditelja.
02:12
I wrestled with the Quran.
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Mučila sam muku s Kuranom.
02:14
I read and reflected
and questioned and doubted
and questioned and doubted
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Čitala sam i razmišljala
i dovodila u pitanje i sumnjala
i dovodila u pitanje i sumnjala
02:20
and, ultimately, believed.
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i, na kraju, verovala.
02:23
My relationship with God --
it was not love at first sight.
it was not love at first sight.
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Moj odnos s Bogom -
nije to bila ljubav na prvi pogled.
nije to bila ljubav na prvi pogled.
02:29
It was a trust and a slow surrender
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Bilo je to poverenje i sporo predavanje
02:32
that deepened with every
reading of the Quran.
reading of the Quran.
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koje se produbljavalo
svakim čitanjem Kurana.
svakim čitanjem Kurana.
02:36
Its rhythmic beauty
sometimes moves me to tears.
sometimes moves me to tears.
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Njegova ritmična lepota
me ponekad gane do suza.
me ponekad gane do suza.
02:40
I see myself in it.
I feel that God knows me.
I feel that God knows me.
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Pronalazim se u njemu.
Osećam da me Bog poznaje.
Osećam da me Bog poznaje.
02:45
Have you ever felt like someone sees you,
completely understands you
completely understands you
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Da li ste ikad imali osećaj
da vas neko vidi, razume u potpunosti,
da vas neko vidi, razume u potpunosti,
02:50
and yet loves you anyway?
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a ipak vas voli?
02:52
That's how it feels.
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To je takav osećaj.
02:55
And so later, I got married,
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Pa sam se kasnije udala
02:58
and like all good Egyptians,
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i kao i svaki uzorni Egipćanin
03:00
started my career as an engineer.
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započela sam karijeru kao inženjer.
03:02
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
03:06
I later had a child,
after getting married,
after getting married,
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Kasnije sam dobila dete,
nakon što sam se udala
nakon što sam se udala
03:11
and I was living essentially
the Egyptian-American dream.
the Egyptian-American dream.
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i u suštini sam živela
egipatsko-američki san.
egipatsko-američki san.
03:18
And then that terrible morning
of September, 2001.
of September, 2001.
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A onda je došlo to užasno jutro
septembra 2001.
septembra 2001.
03:24
I think a lot of you probably remember
exactly where you were that morning.
exactly where you were that morning.
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Verujem da se većina vas verovatno seća
tačno gde ste bili tog jutra.
tačno gde ste bili tog jutra.
03:31
I was sitting in my kitchen
finishing breakfast,
finishing breakfast,
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Ja sam sedela u mojoj kuhinji,
dovršavala doručak,
dovršavala doručak,
03:34
and I look up on the screen
and see the words "Breaking News."
and see the words "Breaking News."
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a kad sam pogledala u ekran,
videla sam reči: "Najnovije vesti".
videla sam reči: "Najnovije vesti".
03:39
There was smoke,
airplanes flying into buildings,
airplanes flying into buildings,
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Video se dim, avioni kako uleću u zgrade,
03:42
people jumping out of buildings.
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ljudi kako iskaču iz zgrada.
03:45
What was this?
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Šta se dešavalo?
03:47
An accident?
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Nesreća?
03:49
A malfunction?
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Kvar?
03:53
My shock quickly turned to outrage.
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Moja zaprepašćenost je brzo prešla u bes.
03:56
Who would do this?
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Ko bi ovo učinio?
03:59
And I switch the channel and I hear,
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I promenila sam kanal i čula:
04:02
"... Muslim terrorist ...,"
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"...muslimanski teroristi...",
04:04
"... in the name of Islam ...,"
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"...u ime islama...",
04:06
"... Middle-Eastern descent ...,"
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"...ljudi poreklom sa Srednjeg Istoka...",
04:08
"... jihad ...,"
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"...džihad...",
04:10
"... we should bomb Mecca."
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"...bombardujmo Meku."
04:12
Oh my God.
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O, moj gospode.
04:15
Not only had my country been attacked,
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Ne samo da je moja država napadnuta,
04:19
but in a flash,
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već su brzinom munje
04:20
somebody else's actions
had turned me from a citizen
had turned me from a citizen
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nečija dela pretvorila mene iz građanke
04:24
to a suspect.
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u osumnjičenu.
04:27
That same day, we had to drive
across Middle America
across Middle America
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Tog dana smo morali da prođemo
kroz središnju Ameriku
kroz središnju Ameriku
04:31
to move to a new city
to start grad school.
to start grad school.
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kako bi se preselili u novi grad
zbog škole.
zbog škole.
04:36
And I remember sitting
in the passenger seat
in the passenger seat
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I sećam se kako sam sedela
na mestu suvozača
na mestu suvozača
04:39
as we drove in silence,
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dok smo se vozili u tišini,
04:41
crouched as low as I could go in my seat,
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pognuta što sam više mogla u svom sedištu,
04:44
for the first time in my life,
afraid for anyone to know I was a Muslim.
afraid for anyone to know I was a Muslim.
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prvi put u životu me je bilo strah
da će neko da primeti da sam muslimanka.
da će neko da primeti da sam muslimanka.
04:50
We moved into our apartment
that night in a new town
that night in a new town
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Preselili smo se te noći
u novi stan u novom gradu,
u novi stan u novom gradu,
04:54
in what felt like
a completely different world.
a completely different world.
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i činilo se u potpunosti u drugi svet.
04:57
And then I was hearing
and seeing and reading
and seeing and reading
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A potom sam slušala, gledala i čitala
05:01
warnings from national
Muslim organizations
Muslim organizations
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upozorenja nacionalnih
muslimanskih organizacija,
muslimanskih organizacija,
05:04
saying things like,
"Be alert," "Be aware,"
"Be alert," "Be aware,"
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govorili su stvari poput:
"Budite na oprezu", "Pazite se",
"Budite na oprezu", "Pazite se",
05:08
"Stay in well-lit areas,"
"Don't congregate."
"Don't congregate."
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"Držite se dobro osvetljenih područja",
"Ne okupljajte se."
"Ne okupljajte se."
05:12
I stayed inside all week.
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Nisam izlazila celu sedmicu.
05:14
And then it was Friday that same week,
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A onda je došao petak, iste te sedmice,
05:17
the day that Muslims
congregate for worship.
congregate for worship.
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dan kad se muslimani okupljaju na molitvu.
05:22
And again the warnings were,
"Don't go that first Friday,
"Don't go that first Friday,
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I opet su stizala upozorenja:
"Ne idite odmah prvog petka,
"Ne idite odmah prvog petka,
05:26
it could be a target."
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mogli biste da budete meta."
05:29
And I was watching the news,
wall-to-wall coverage.
wall-to-wall coverage.
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A ja sam posmatrala vesti,
celodnevno izveštavanje.
celodnevno izveštavanje.
05:32
Emotions were so raw, understandably,
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Emocije su bile sveže, razumljivo,
05:35
and I was also hearing
about attacks on Muslims,
about attacks on Muslims,
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i takođe sam slušala o napadima
na muslimane
na muslimane
05:38
or people who were perceived
to be Muslim, being pulled out
to be Muslim, being pulled out
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ili o ljudima koje su videli kao muslimane
kako ih odvlače
kako ih odvlače
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and beaten in the street.
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i tuku na ulicama.
05:42
Mosques were actually firebombed.
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Džamije su zapravo gađane
zapaljivim bombama.
zapaljivim bombama.
05:45
And I thought, we should just stay home.
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Pomislila sam: najbolje da ne izlazimo.
05:47
And yet, something didn't feel right.
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Pa ipak, nešto tu nije štimalo.
05:51
Because those people
who attacked our country
who attacked our country
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Jer ti ljudi koji su napali našu državu,
05:53
attacked our country.
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napali su našu državu.
05:58
I get it that people were angry
at the terrorists.
at the terrorists.
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Bilo mi je shvatljivo
da su ljudi besni na teroriste.
da su ljudi besni na teroriste.
06:01
Guess what? So was I.
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Znate šta? I ja sam bila besna.
06:04
And so to have to explain yourself
all the time isn't easy.
all the time isn't easy.
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A nije lako kad ste primorani
da se stalno pravdate.
da se stalno pravdate.
06:10
I don't mind questions. I love questions.
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Ne smetaju mi pitanja. Volim pitanja.
06:13
It's the accusations that are tough.
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Optužbe su teške.
06:16
Today we hear people actually
saying things like,
saying things like,
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Danas slušamo ljude
kako zapravo izgovaraju sledeće:
kako zapravo izgovaraju sledeće:
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"There's a problem in this country,
and it's called Muslims.
and it's called Muslims.
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"Imamo problem u ovoj zemlji,
a on se zove - muslimani.
a on se zove - muslimani.
06:23
When are we going to get rid of them?"
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Kad ćemo da ih se otarasimo?"
06:25
So, some people want to ban Muslims
and close down mosques.
and close down mosques.
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Stoga neki ljudi žele da zabrane muslimane
i da pozatvaraju džamije.
i da pozatvaraju džamije.
06:29
They talk about my community
kind of like we're a tumor
kind of like we're a tumor
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Govore o mojoj zajednici
kao da smo nekakav tumor
kao da smo nekakav tumor
06:32
in the body of America.
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u američkom telu.
06:33
And the only question is,
are we malignant or benign?
are we malignant or benign?
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A jedino pitanje je:
jesmo li maligni ili benigni?
jesmo li maligni ili benigni?
06:37
You know, a malignant tumor
you extract altogether,
you extract altogether,
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Znate, maligni tumor
u potpunosti izvadite,
u potpunosti izvadite,
06:40
and a benign tumor
you just keep under surveillance.
you just keep under surveillance.
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a benigni tumor
prosto držite pod nadzorom.
prosto držite pod nadzorom.
06:47
The choices don't make sense,
because it's the wrong question.
because it's the wrong question.
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Ponuđeni izbori nemaju smisla
jer je samo pitanje pogrešno.
jer je samo pitanje pogrešno.
06:51
Muslims, like all other Americans,
aren't a tumor in the body of America,
aren't a tumor in the body of America,
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Muslimani, poput drugih Amerikanaca,
nisu tumor u američkom telu,
nisu tumor u američkom telu,
06:55
we're a vital organ.
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mi smo vitalni organ.
06:58
(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
06:59
Thank you.
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Hvala vam.
07:00
(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
07:05
Muslims are inventors and teachers,
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Muslimani su pronalazači i učitelji,
07:08
first responders and Olympic athletes.
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pripadnici hitnih službi
i olimpijske atlete.
i olimpijske atlete.
07:12
Now, is closing down mosques
going to make America safer?
going to make America safer?
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Sad, da li bi zatvaranjem džamija
Amerika bila sigurnija?
Amerika bila sigurnija?
07:16
It might free up some parking spots,
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To bi oslobodilo
nešto prostora za parkiranje,
nešto prostora za parkiranje,
07:19
but it will not end terrorism.
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ali ne bi okončalo terorizam.
07:22
Going to a mosque regularly
is actually linked
is actually linked
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Redovan odlazak u džamiju
je zapravo povezan
je zapravo povezan
07:24
to having more tolerant views
of people of other faiths
of people of other faiths
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s posedovanjem tolerantnijih pogleda
na ljude drugih veroispovesti
na ljude drugih veroispovesti
07:28
and greater civic engagement.
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i s većim građanskim angažmanom.
07:31
And as one police chief
in the Washington, DC area
in the Washington, DC area
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I kao što mi je jedan šef policije
iz oblasti grada Vašingtona
iz oblasti grada Vašingtona
07:34
recently told me,
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nedavno rekao,
07:36
people don't actually
get radicalized at mosques.
get radicalized at mosques.
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ljude zapravo ne radikalizuju u džamijama.
07:38
They get radicalized in their basement
or bedroom, in front of a computer.
or bedroom, in front of a computer.
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Radikalizuju ih u njihovim podrumima
ili spavaćim sobama, ispred kompjutera.
ili spavaćim sobama, ispred kompjutera.
07:44
And what you find
about the radicalization process
about the radicalization process
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A ono što ćete da otkrijete
o procesu radikalizacije
o procesu radikalizacije
07:47
is it starts online,
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je da počinje na internetu,
07:49
but the first thing that happens
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ali prvo što se desi
07:50
is the person gets cut off
from their community,
from their community,
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je da tu osobu isključe iz zajednice,
07:53
from even their family,
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čak i iz porodice,
07:55
so that the extremist group
can brainwash them
can brainwash them
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kako bi im ekstremističke grupe
mogle da isperu mozak
mogle da isperu mozak
07:58
into believing that they,
the terrorists, are the true Muslims,
the terrorists, are the true Muslims,
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da poveruju kako su oni,
teroristi, istinski muslimani,
teroristi, istinski muslimani,
08:02
and everyone else who abhors
their behavior and ideology
their behavior and ideology
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a da su svi ostali koji mrze
njihovo ponašanje i ideologiju
njihovo ponašanje i ideologiju
08:06
are sellouts or apostates.
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prodane duše i otpadnici.
08:09
So if we want to prevent radicalization,
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Pa, ako želimo da sprečimo radikalizaciju,
08:11
we have to keep people
going to the mosque.
going to the mosque.
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moramo da pustimo ljude da idu u džamije.
08:16
Now, some will still argue
Islam is a violent religion.
Islam is a violent religion.
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Sad, neki će i dalje da tvrde
da je islam nasilna religija.
da je islam nasilna religija.
08:20
After all, a group like ISIS
bases its brutality on the Quran.
bases its brutality on the Quran.
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Naposletku, grupe poput ISIS-a
zasnivaju svoju brutalnost na Kuranu.
zasnivaju svoju brutalnost na Kuranu.
08:26
Now, as a Muslim, as a mother,
as a human being,
as a human being,
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Sad, kao muslimanka, kao majka,
kao ljudsko biće,
kao ljudsko biće,
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I think we need to do everything we can
to stop a group like ISIS.
to stop a group like ISIS.
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mislim da moramo da damo sve od sebe
da zaustavimo grupe poput ISIS-a.
da zaustavimo grupe poput ISIS-a.
08:35
But we would be giving in
to their narrative
to their narrative
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Međutim, povinovali bismo se
njihovom narativu
njihovom narativu
08:40
if we cast them as representatives
of a faith of 1.6 billion people.
of a faith of 1.6 billion people.
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kad bismo ih proglasili zastupnicima
vere 1,6 milijardi ljudi.
vere 1,6 milijardi ljudi.
08:46
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(Aplauz)
08:49
Thank you.
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Hvala vam.
08:53
ISIS has as much to do with Islam
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ISIS ima veze sa islamom
08:57
as the Ku Klux Klan has to do
with Christianity.
with Christianity.
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koliko i Kju Klaks klan sa hrišćanstvom.
09:00
(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
09:06
Both groups claim to base
their ideology on their holy book.
their ideology on their holy book.
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Obe grupe tvrde da zasnivaju
svoju ideologiju na svetoj knjizi.
svoju ideologiju na svetoj knjizi.
09:12
But when you look at them,
they're not motivated
they're not motivated
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Međutim, kad ih pogledate,
njih ne podstiče
njih ne podstiče
09:15
by what they read in their holy book.
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ono što pročitaju u svetoj knjizi.
09:17
It's their brutality that makes them
read these things into the scripture.
read these things into the scripture.
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Njihova surovost ih navodi
da svašta učitaju u Sveto pismo.
da svašta učitaju u Sveto pismo.
09:24
Recently, a prominent imam
told me a story that really took me aback.
told me a story that really took me aback.
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Nedavno mi je ugledni imam ispričao priču
koja me je uistinu iznenadila.
koja me je uistinu iznenadila.
09:27
He said that a girl came to him
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Rekao je kako mu je prišla devojka
09:29
because she was thinking
of going to join ISIS.
of going to join ISIS.
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jer je razmišljala da se pridruži ISIS-u.
09:32
And I was really surprised and asked him,
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Bila sam zaista iznenađena
i upitala sam ga:
i upitala sam ga:
09:34
had she been in contact
with a radical religious leader?
with a radical religious leader?
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je li bila u kontaktu
s radikalnim religijskim vođom?
s radikalnim religijskim vođom?
09:37
And he said the problem
was quite the opposite,
was quite the opposite,
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A on je rakao da je u pitanju
nešto sasvim drugo:
nešto sasvim drugo:
09:40
that every cleric that she had
talked to had shut her down
talked to had shut her down
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svaki sveštenik
s kojim je razgovarala ju je odbio
s kojim je razgovarala ju je odbio
09:43
and said that her rage,
her sense of injustice in the world,
her sense of injustice in the world,
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i rekao da će je njen bes,
njeno osećanje nepravde u svetu
njeno osećanje nepravde u svetu
09:47
was just going to get her in trouble.
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samo odvesti u neprilike.
09:49
And so with nowhere to channel
and make sense of this anger,
and make sense of this anger,
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A kako nije imala gde da kanališe
svoj bes i da ga razume,
svoj bes i da ga razume,
09:53
she was a prime target to be exploited
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ona je bila glavna meta za eksploatisanje
09:55
by extremists promising her a solution.
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od strane ekstremista
koji su joj nudili rešenje.
koji su joj nudili rešenje.
09:58
What this imam did was to connect her
back to God and to her community.
back to God and to her community.
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Ovaj imam je povezao opet s Bogom
i s njenom zajednicom.
i s njenom zajednicom.
10:03
He didn't shame her for her rage --
instead, he gave her constructive ways
instead, he gave her constructive ways
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Nije je postidio zbog njenog besa -
naprotiv, pružio joj je svrsishodne načine
naprotiv, pružio joj je svrsishodne načine
10:08
to make real change in the world.
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da uistinu promeni svet.
10:10
What she learned at that mosque
prevented her from going to join ISIS.
prevented her from going to join ISIS.
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Ono što je naučila u džamiji
ju je sprečilo da se pridruži ISIS-u.
ju je sprečilo da se pridruži ISIS-u.
10:16
I've told you a little bit
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Rekla sam vam ponešto
10:18
about how Islamophobia
affects me and my family.
affects me and my family.
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o tome kako islamofobija
pogađa mene i moju porodicu.
pogađa mene i moju porodicu.
10:21
But how does it impact ordinary Americans?
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No kako utiče na prosečnog Amerikanca?
10:23
How does it impact everyone else?
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Kako utiče na sve ostale?
10:25
How does consuming fear 24 hours a day
affect the health of our democracy,
affect the health of our democracy,
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Kako konstantno konzumiranje straha
utiče na zdravlje naše demokratije,
utiče na zdravlje naše demokratije,
10:31
the health of our free thought?
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na zdravlje naše slobode misli?
10:33
Well, one study -- actually,
several studies in neuroscience --
several studies in neuroscience --
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Pa, jedno istraživanje - zapravo,
nekoliko istraživanja iz neuronauke -
nekoliko istraživanja iz neuronauke -
10:37
show that when we're afraid,
at least three things happen.
at least three things happen.
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su pokazala da kad smo uplašeni
bar tri stvari se dešavaju.
bar tri stvari se dešavaju.
10:41
We become more accepting
of authoritarianism,
of authoritarianism,
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Podložniji smo prihvatanju autoritarnosti,
10:46
conformity and prejudice.
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konformizma i predrasuda.
10:49
One study showed that when subjects
were exposed to news stories
were exposed to news stories
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Jedno istraživanje je pokazalo
da kad su subjekti izloženi vestima
da kad su subjekti izloženi vestima
10:55
that were negative about Muslims,
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koje govore o muslianima negativno,
10:58
they became more accepting
of military attacks on Muslim countries
of military attacks on Muslim countries
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podložniji su prihvatanju
vojnih napada na muslimanske zemlje
vojnih napada na muslimanske zemlje
11:02
and policies that curtail the rights
of American Muslims.
of American Muslims.
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i zakona koji umanjuju prava
američkih muslimana.
američkih muslimana.
11:06
Now, this isn't just academic.
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Sad, ovo nije puki intelektualizam.
11:08
When you look at when
anti-Muslim sentiment spiked
anti-Muslim sentiment spiked
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Kad pogledate kad su antimuslimanska
osećanja dostigla vrhunac,
osećanja dostigla vrhunac,
11:13
between 2001 and 2013,
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između 2001. i 2013,
11:17
it happened three times,
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to se desilo tri puta,
11:18
but it wasn't around terrorist attacks.
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ali ne zbog terorističkih napada.
11:21
It was in the run up to the Iraq War
and during two election cycles.
and during two election cycles.
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To je prethodilo ratu u Iraku
i desilo se tokom dva kruga izbora.
i desilo se tokom dva kruga izbora.
11:26
So Islamophobia isn't just
the natural response to Muslim terrorism
the natural response to Muslim terrorism
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Pa, islamofobija nije prosto
prirodna reakcija na muslimanske teroriste
prirodna reakcija na muslimanske teroriste
11:30
as I would have expected.
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kao što sam očekivala.
11:33
It can actually be a tool
of public manipulation,
of public manipulation,
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Ona zapravo može da bude oruđe
za manipulisanje javnošću,
za manipulisanje javnošću,
11:37
eroding the very foundation
of a free society,
of a free society,
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koje podriva same temelje
slobodnog društva,
slobodnog društva,
11:41
which is rational
and well-informed citizens.
and well-informed citizens.
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to jest racionalne
i dobro obaveštene građane.
i dobro obaveštene građane.
11:46
Muslims are like canaries
in the coal mine.
in the coal mine.
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Muslimani su poput kanarinaca
u rudniku uglja.
u rudniku uglja.
11:49
We might be the first to feel it,
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Možda ga prvi osećamo,
11:51
but the toxic air of fear
is harming us all.
is harming us all.
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ali otrovni vazduh straha
povređuje sve nas.
povređuje sve nas.
11:56
(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
12:03
And assigning collective guilt
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A kod pripisivanja kolektivne krivice
12:06
isn't just about having
to explain yourself all the time.
to explain yourself all the time.
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se ne radi samo o primoranosti
da se pravdate sve vreme.
da se pravdate sve vreme.
12:09
Deah and his wife Yusor
were a young married couple
were a young married couple
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Dea i njegova žena Jusor
su bili mladi bračni par
su bili mladi bračni par
12:13
living in Chapel Hill, North Carolina,
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živeli su Čapel Hilu u Severnoj Karolini,
12:15
where they both went to school.
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gde su oboje nekad išli u školu.
12:17
Deah was an athlete.
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Dea je bio atleta.
12:20
He was in dental school,
talented, promising ...
talented, promising ...
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Pohađao je stomatologiju,
bio je talentovan, potencijal...
bio je talentovan, potencijal...
12:24
And his sister would tell me
that he was the sweetest,
that he was the sweetest,
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A njegova sestra mi je rekla
da je bio najtoplije,
da je bio najtoplije,
12:28
most generous human being she knew.
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najdarežljivije ljudsko biće
koje je znala.
koje je znala.
12:30
She was visiting him there
and he showed her his resume,
and he showed her his resume,
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Došla mu je u posetu
i on joj je pokazao svoju biografiju
i on joj je pokazao svoju biografiju
12:34
and she was amazed.
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i ona je bila oduševljena.
12:35
She said, "When did my baby brother
become such an accomplished young man?"
become such an accomplished young man?"
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Rekla je: "Kad je moj maleni brat
postao tako uspešan mladić?"
postao tako uspešan mladić?"
12:41
Just a few weeks after Suzanne's visit
to her brother and his new wife,
to her brother and his new wife,
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Samo nekoliko nedelja nakon Suzanine
posete bratu i njegovoj ženi,
posete bratu i njegovoj ženi,
12:46
their neighbor,
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njihov komšija,
12:48
Craig Stephen Hicks,
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Kreg Stiven Hiks,
12:50
murdered them,
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ih je ubio,
12:52
as well as Yusor's sister, Razan,
who was visiting for the afternoon,
who was visiting for the afternoon,
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kao i Jusurinu sestru Razan,
koja ih je posetila tog popodneva,
koja ih je posetila tog popodneva,
12:57
in their apartment,
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u njihovom stanu,
12:59
execution style,
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u stilu smaknuća,
13:01
after posting anti-Muslim statements
on his Facebook page.
on his Facebook page.
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nakon što je objavio antimuslimanske
izjave na svojoj Fejsbuk stranici.
izjave na svojoj Fejsbuk stranici.
13:06
He shot Deah eight times.
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S pet hitaca je pogodio Dea.
13:09
So bigotry isn't just immoral,
it can even be lethal.
it can even be lethal.
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Netrepeljivost, dakle, nije samo
nemoralna, može da bude i smrtonosna.
nemoralna, može da bude i smrtonosna.
13:14
So, back to my story.
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Vratimo se mojoj priči.
13:15
What happened after 9/11?
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Šta se desilo nakon 11. septembra?
13:17
Did we go to the mosque
or did we play it safe and stay home?
or did we play it safe and stay home?
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Da li smo otišli u džamiju
ili smo išli na sigurno i ostali u kući?
ili smo išli na sigurno i ostali u kući?
13:21
Well, we talked it over,
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Pa, razgovarali smo o tome
13:23
and it might seem like
a small decision, but to us,
a small decision, but to us,
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i možda vam se to čini
kao jednostavna odluka, ali za nas
kao jednostavna odluka, ali za nas
13:26
it was about what kind of America
we wanted to leave for our kids:
we wanted to leave for our kids:
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radilo se o tome kakvu Ameriku
želimo da ostavimo svojoj deci:
želimo da ostavimo svojoj deci:
13:29
one that would control us by fear
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onu koja će da nas kontroliše strahom
13:33
or one where we were practicing
our religion freely.
our religion freely.
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ili onu u kojoj slobodno
ispovedamo svoju religiju.
ispovedamo svoju religiju.
13:36
So we decided to go to the mosque.
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Pa smo odlučili da odemo u džamiju.
Stavili smo sina u njegovo auto-sedište,
13:39
And we put my son in his car seat,
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13:41
buckled him in, and we drove silently,
intensely, to the mosque.
intensely, to the mosque.
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vezali ga i vozili se u tišini,
usredsređeno u džamiju.
usredsređeno u džamiju.
13:45
I took him out, I took off my shoes,
I walked into the prayer hall
I walked into the prayer hall
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Iznela sam ga, izula svoje cipele,
ušetala u salu za molitve,
ušetala u salu za molitve,
13:50
and what I saw made me stop.
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a zastala sam zbog prizora.
13:53
The place was completely full.
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Mesto je bilo popunjeno.
13:55
And then the imam made an announcement,
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A onda je imam objavio
13:57
thanking and welcoming our guests,
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zahvalnost i dobrodošlicu našim gostima
14:02
because half the congregation
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jer polovina okupljenih
14:05
were Christians, Jews,
Buddhists, atheists,
Buddhists, atheists,
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su bili hrišćani, Jevreji,
budisti, ateisti,
budisti, ateisti,
14:08
people of faith and no faith,
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vernici i nevernici,
14:11
who had come not to attack us,
but to stand in solidarity with us.
but to stand in solidarity with us.
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koji su došli, ne da bi nas napali,
već da bi se solidarisali s nama.
već da bi se solidarisali s nama.
14:16
(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
14:25
I just break down at this time.
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U tom momentu sam bila skrhana.
14:28
These people were there because they chose
courage and compassion
courage and compassion
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Ovi ljudi su bili tu
jer su odabrali hrabrost i saosećajnost
jer su odabrali hrabrost i saosećajnost
14:33
over panic and prejudice.
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umesto panike i predrasuda.
14:36
What will you choose?
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Šta ćete vi da odaberete?
14:39
What will you choose
at this time of fear and bigotry?
at this time of fear and bigotry?
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Šta ćete vi da odaberete
u ovom vremenu straha i netrepeljivosti?
u ovom vremenu straha i netrepeljivosti?
14:45
Will you play it safe?
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Hoćete li ići na sigurno?
14:47
Or will you join those who say
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Ili ćete da se pridružite
onima koji govore
onima koji govore
14:50
we are better than that?
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da smo bolji od toga?
14:52
Thank you.
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Hvala vam.
14:53
(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
15:07
Thank you so much.
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Mnogo vam hvala.
15:12
Helen Walters: So Dalia,
you seem to have struck a chord.
you seem to have struck a chord.
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Helen Volters: Dakle, Dalija,
izgleda da si pogodila u metu.
izgleda da si pogodila u metu.
15:16
But I wonder,
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Međutim, pitam se
15:18
what would you say to those
who might argue
who might argue
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šta bi rekla onima koji bi možda tvrdili
15:20
that you're giving a TED Talk,
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kako držiš govor na TED-u,
15:22
you're clearly a deep thinker,
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da si očito ozbiljan mislilac,
15:24
you work at a fancy think tank,
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radiš u modernom sektoru za inovacije,
15:26
you're an exception, you're not the rule.
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da si izuzetak, a ne pravilo.
15:28
What would you say to those people?
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Šta bi rekla tim ljudima?
Dalija Mogahed: Rekla bih im
da ne dozvole da ih ova scena zbuni,
da ne dozvole da ih ova scena zbuni,
15:30
Dalia Mogahed: I would say,
don't let this stage distract you,
don't let this stage distract you,
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15:33
I'm completely ordinary.
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ja sam skroz obična.
15:35
I'm not an exception.
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Nisam izuzetak.
15:37
My story is not unusual.
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Moja priča nije neobična.
15:39
I am as ordinary as they come.
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Najobičniji sam tip.
15:42
When you look at Muslims
around the world --
around the world --
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Kad pogledate muslimane širom sveta -
15:46
and I've done this, I've done
the largest study ever done
the largest study ever done
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a ja jesam, uradila sam
najveće istraživanje ikad
najveće istraživanje ikad
15:49
on Muslims around the world --
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o muslimanima širom sveta -
15:51
people want ordinary things.
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ti ljudi žele obične stvari.
15:52
They want prosperity for their family,
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Žele napredak svojoj porodici,
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they want jobs
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žele da imaju posao
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and they want to live in peace.
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i žele da žive u miru.
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So I am not in any way an exception.
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Pa, ni na koji način nisam izuzetak.
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When you meet people who seem
like an exception to the rule,
like an exception to the rule,
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Kad sretnete ljude koji se čine
kao izuzetak od pravila,
kao izuzetak od pravila,
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oftentimes it's that the rule is broken,
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često se radi o tome
da je pravilo naopako,
da je pravilo naopako,
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not that they're an exception to it.
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a ne da su oni izuzetak.
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HW: Thank you so much.
Dalia Mogahed.
Dalia Mogahed.
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HV: Mnogo ti hvala, Dalija Mogahed.
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ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Dalia Mogahed - Muslim studies scholarResearcher and pollster Dalia Mogahed is an author, advisor and consultant who studies Muslim communities.
Why you should listen
As director of research at the Institute for Social Policy and Understanding, Dalia Mogahed keeps her finger on the pulse of the Muslim world. She served on Obama’s Advisory Council on Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships in 2009, advising the president on how faith-based organizations can help government solve persistent social problems.
Mogahed is a former director of the Gallup Center for Muslim Studies, where her surveys of Muslim opinion skewered myths and stereotypes while illuminating the varied attitudes of Muslims toward politics, religion, and gender issues. Her 2008 book with John Esposito, Who Speaks for Islam? What a Billion Muslims Really Think, outlines these surprising findings.
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