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Lesley Hazleton - Writer, psychologist
Writer, psychologist and former Middle East reporter Lesley Hazleton explores the vast and often terrifying arena in which politics and religion intersect.

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Lesley Hazleton has traced the roots of conflict in several books, including compelling 'flesh-and-blood' biographies of Muhammad and Mary, and casts "an agnostic eye on politics, religion, and existence" on her blog, AccidentalTheologist.com.

Her newest book, Agnostic: A Spirited Manifesto, celebrates the agnostic stance as "rising above the flat two-dimensional line of belief/unbelief, creating new possibilities for how we think about being in the world." In it, she explores what we mean by the search for meaning, invokes the humbling perspective of infinity and reconsiders what we talk about when we talk about soul.

Hazleton's approach has been praised as "vital and mischievous" by the New York Times, and as "a positive orientation to life, one that embraces both science and mystery ... while remaining intimately grounded and engaged."

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Lesley Hazleton: On reading the Koran

萊斯利黑澤爾頓:讀古蘭經

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某天,萊斯利黑澤爾頓坐下來閱讀古蘭經。身為一位非穆斯林,自認為是伊斯蘭聖書中的一位「旅客」,當她展開閱讀之旅時,發現了所料未及之事。帶著嚴謹的學術態度與熱情幽默,黑澤爾頓和我們分享她所發現的優雅、靈活與奧秘,並且在這集TEDxRainier的演說中,為它揭開神秘面紗。
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Writer, psychologist and former Middle East reporter Lesley Hazleton explores the vast and often terrifying arena in which politics and religion intersect. Full bio

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You may可能 have heard聽說
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你或許有聽說過
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about the Koran's可蘭經 idea理念 of paradise天堂
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古蘭經裡關於天堂的描述
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being存在 72 virgins處女,
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那裡有72位處女
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and I promise諾言 I will come back to those virgins處女.
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我保證一會兒會回到處女這一部份
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But in fact事實, here in the northwest西北,
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事實上,在美國東北部
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we're living活的 very close
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我們的身處之處
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to the real真實 Koranic可蘭經 idea理念 of paradise天堂,
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近似於古蘭經裡所描述的天堂
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defined定義 36 times
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古蘭經裡對天堂的定義出現了36次
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as "gardens花園 watered澆水 by running賽跑 streams."
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意為「流水滋養的花園」
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Since以來 I live生活 on a houseboat船屋 on the running賽跑 stream of Lake Union聯盟,
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因為我住在聯合湖水流過的船屋裡
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this makes品牌 perfect完善 sense to me.
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所以要理解這個概念輕而易舉
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But the thing is, how come it's news新聞 to most people?
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但是,為何大部分的人卻是首次聽到這樣的概念
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I know many許多 well-intentioned用心良苦 non-Muslims非穆斯林
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我了解很多心懷善意的非穆斯林
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who've誰一直 begun開始 reading the Koran可蘭經, but given特定 up,
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開始閱讀古蘭經,但最後放棄了
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disconcerted不安 by its "otherness差異性."
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對於它的奇異感到困惑
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The historian歷史學家 Thomas托馬斯 Carlyle凱雷
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歷史學家湯瑪斯卡來爾
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considered考慮 Muhammad穆罕默德 one of the world's世界 greatest最大 heroes英雄,
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認為穆罕默德是世上極為偉大的英雄
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yet然而 even he called the Koran可蘭經
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即便如此,對於古蘭經,他曾說道
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"as toilsome辛苦 reading as I ever undertook承諾,
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「我從沒讀過這麼讓人費解的書,
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a wearisome令人厭煩的, confused困惑 jumble混亂."
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乏味不堪、讓人既困惑又混亂」
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(Laughter笑聲)
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(笑聲)
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Part部分 of the problem問題, I think,
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這裡的問題,我想,一部分是因為
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is that we imagine想像 that the Koran可蘭經 can be read
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我們把古蘭經想成是一本
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as we usually平時 read a book --
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我們平常就會閱讀的書籍
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as though雖然 we can curl捲曲 up with it on a rainy多雨的 afternoon下午
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彷彿我們可以在一個午後的雨天,抱著它蜷縮於一角閱讀
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with a bowl of popcorn爆米花 within reach達到,
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同時還有一碗觸手可及的爆米花
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as though雖然 God --
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彷彿真主-
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and the Koran可蘭經 is entirely完全 in the voice語音 of God speaking請講 to Muhammad穆罕默德 --
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因為古蘭經裡全是真主對穆罕默德的話語-
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were just another另一個 author作者 on the bestseller暢銷書 list名單.
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彷彿真主就只是某個暢銷書作家
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Yet然而 the fact事實 that so few少數 people
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而事實上,真正讀古蘭經
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do actually其實 read the Koran可蘭經
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的人少之又少
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is precisely恰恰 why it's so easy簡單 to quote引用 --
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這正是為什麼古蘭經這麼容易被引用-
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that is, to misquote錯誤引用.
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也就是說,誤引。
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Phrases短語 and snippets片段 taken採取 out of context上下文
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詞組與短語被斷章取義
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in what I call the "highlighter熒光筆 version,"
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截出的的版本,我稱它為「標明版本」
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which哪一個 is the one favored青睞 by both Muslim穆斯林 fundamentalists原教旨主義者
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穆斯林基本教義派和反穆斯林的恐伊斯蘭教者
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and anti-Muslim反穆斯林 IslamophobesIslamophobes.
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都偏愛此版本
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So this past過去 spring彈簧,
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所以在這個春天
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as I was gearing傳動裝置 up
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當我正準備
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to begin開始 writing寫作 a biography of Muhammad穆罕默德,
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著手撰寫穆罕默德的傳記時
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I realized實現 I needed需要 to read the Koran可蘭經 properly正確 --
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我意識到自己必須要好好的讀古蘭經
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as properly正確 as I could, that is.
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盡我所能好好讀一讀
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My Arabic's阿拉伯語的 reduced減少 by now
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我的阿拉伯語已經退步到
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to wielding揮舞 a dictionary字典,
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需要依賴字典的地步
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so I took four well-known知名 translations譯文
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所以我拿了四本著名的譯本
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and decided決定 to read them side-by-side並排側,
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決定將它們並排開來同時讀
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verse-by-verse經文逐節
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一句接著一句
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along沿 with a transliteration音譯
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並且參照音譯本
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and the original原版的 seventh-century七世紀 Arabic阿拉伯.
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和一本七世紀阿拉伯語原版
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Now I did have an advantage優點.
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我確實有一項優勢
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My last book
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我最新的一本書
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was about the story故事 behind背後 the Shi'a-Sunni什葉派和遜尼派 split分裂,
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是有關什葉派和遜尼派分裂的故事
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and for that I'd worked工作 closely密切 with the earliest最早 Islamic清真 histories歷史,
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為了這本書,我鑽研伊斯蘭早期的歷史
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so I knew知道 the events事件
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所以古蘭經裡反覆提及的事情
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to which哪一個 the Koran可蘭經 constantly經常 refers,
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我都很熟悉
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its frame of reference參考.
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也就是它的信仰準則
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I knew知道 enough足夠, that is, to know
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我已了解夠多,也就是說
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that I'd be a tourist遊客 in the Koran可蘭經 --
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我就像一個旅客在遊歷古蘭經
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an informed通知 one,
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是有見地的一位旅客
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an experienced有經驗的 one even,
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更甚是一位經驗豐富的旅客
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but still an outsider局外人,
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但依舊是個局外人
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an agnostic不可知 Jew
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是一個不可知論的猶太人
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reading some else's別人的 holy book.
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閱讀著其他宗教的聖書
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(Laughter笑聲)
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(笑聲)
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So I read slowly慢慢地.
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所以我就慢慢的讀。
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(Laughter笑聲)
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(笑聲)
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I'd set aside在旁邊 three weeks for this project項目,
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為了這個計畫,我空出了三星期
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and that, I think, is what is meant意味著 by "hubris傲慢" --
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而這在我看來,就是所謂的狂妄自大
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(Laughter笑聲)
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(笑聲)
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-- because it turned轉身 out to be three months個月.
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因為最終我花了三個月才完成
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I did resist the temptation誘惑 to skip跳躍 to the back
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我確實止住了跳到書的後半段的誘惑
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where the shorter and more clearly明確地 mystical神秘 chapters are.
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因為後面的章節更短,更富神秘性。
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But every一切 time I thought I was beginning開始
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但每當我以為我漸漸
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to get a handle處理 on the Koran可蘭經 --
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了解古蘭經的精要時
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that feeling感覺 of "I get it now" --
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那種「我明白了」的感覺-
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it would slip away overnight過夜,
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在一夜過後便消失無蹤
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and I'd come back in the morning早上
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當我早上醒來,便會開始納悶
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wondering想知道 if I wasn't lost丟失 in a strange奇怪 land土地,
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我是否曾迷失在某個異地
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and yet然而 the terrain地形 was very familiar.
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但是卻又非常熟悉的地方。
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The Koran可蘭經 declares聲明 that it comes
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古蘭經聲明它的目的是來
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to renew更新 the message信息 of the Torah托拉 and the Gospels福音.
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更新摩西五經和福音書的神訊
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So one-third三分之一 of it
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所以裡面有三分之一
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reprises再發生 the stories故事 of Biblical聖經 figures人物
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都在重述聖經人物的故事
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like Abraham亞伯拉罕, Moses摩西,
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像是亞伯拉罕、摩西
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Joseph約瑟夫, Mary瑪麗, Jesus耶穌.
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約瑟夫、聖母瑪莉和耶穌
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God himself他自己 was utterly完全 familiar
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真主本身是極為熟悉的
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from his earlier manifestation表現 as Yahweh耶和華 --
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從祂早時以耶和華為化身
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jealously嫉妒 insisting堅持 on no other gods.
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心存嫉妒,堅稱祂是世上唯一的神
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The presence存在 of camels駱駝, mountains,
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書裡的駱駝、高山
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desert沙漠 wells and springs彈簧
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沙漠水井和泉水
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took me back to the year I spent花費
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將我帶回了我在
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wandering飄零 the Sinai西乃山 Desert沙漠.
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西奈沙漠遊走的那年
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And then there was the language語言,
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再者是書裡的語言
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the rhythmic有板有眼 cadence韻律 of it,
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帶著抑揚頓挫的節奏
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reminding提醒 me of evenings晚上 spent花費 listening to Bedouin貝都因人 elders長老
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一再讓我想起那些夜晚,聆聽貝都因老人
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recite背誦 hours-long時間長 narrative敘述 poems
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吟詠著好幾時長的敘事詩
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entirely完全 from memory記憶.
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他們全部憑著記憶吟詠
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And I began開始 to grasp把握
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然後我開始了解
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why it's said
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為什麼人們會說
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that the Koran可蘭經 is really the Koran可蘭經
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只有以阿拉伯文書寫的古蘭經
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only in Arabic阿拉伯.
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才是真正的古蘭經。
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Take the FatihahFatihah,
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拿首章「法諦海」來說
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the seven-verse七詩 opening開盤 chapter章節
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開篇的七節經文
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that is the Lord's Prayer禱告 and the Shema Yisrael家園以色列 of Islam伊斯蘭教 combined結合.
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是由主禱文和伊斯蘭猶太施瑪篇所組成
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It's just 29 words in Arabic阿拉伯,
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在阿拉伯文裡只有29個字
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but anywhere隨地 from 65 to 72 in translation翻譯.
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但翻譯後的版本卻變成65到72個字
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And yet然而 the more you add,
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而你加進去的字義越多
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the more seems似乎 to go missing失踪.
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本意似乎也流失越多
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The Arabic阿拉伯 has an incantatory咒語,
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阿拉伯語有一種咒語般
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almost幾乎 hypnotic催眠, quality質量
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幾近催眠的特色
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that begs乞求 to be heard聽說 rather than read,
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它邀人聆聽,而非閱讀它
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felt more than analyzed分析.
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感受它,而非解析它
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It wants to be chanted高呼 out loud,
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它希望你大聲吟詠它
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to sound聲音 its music音樂 in the ear and on the tongue.
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發出它的音樂聲,繚繞於耳並且停於舌尖
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So the Koran可蘭經 in English英語
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所以英文版的古蘭經
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is a kind of shadow陰影 of itself本身,
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是原版的影子
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or as Arthur亞瑟 ArberryArberry called his version,
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或者如同亞瑟阿伯理形容他的版本為
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"an interpretation解釋."
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「一種詮釋」。
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But all is not lost丟失 in translation翻譯.
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但並非所有含意都會在翻譯中流失
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As the Koran可蘭經 promises許諾, patience忍耐 is rewarded獎勵,
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一如古蘭經所許諾,耐心將會有所回報
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and there are many許多 surprises驚喜 --
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其中有許多的驚喜之處-
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a degree of environmental環境的 awareness意識, for instance,
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例如對於環境保護的認知
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and of humans人類 as mere stewards管家 of God's creation創建,
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或者,人類僅僅只是真主造物的幫手
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unmatched獨一無二 in the Bible聖經.
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與聖經所言有過之而無不及。
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And where the Bible聖經 is addressed解決 exclusively to men男人,
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相較於聖經裡單單只針對男性敘述
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using運用 the second第二 and third第三 person masculine男性,
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使用第二和第三人稱的陽性詞彙
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the Koran可蘭經 includes包括 women婦女 --
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古蘭經的敘述則包含了女人
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talking, for instance,
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例如
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of believing相信 men男人 and believing相信 women婦女,
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講到信男信女-
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honorable光彩 men男人 and honorable光彩 women婦女.
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可敬的男女。
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Or take the infamous臭名昭著 verse
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那句惡名昭彰的句子
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about killing謀殺 the unbelievers不信.
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談及的是屠殺異教徒
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Yes, it does say that,
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沒錯,古蘭經裡真的這麼說
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but in a very specific具體 context上下文:
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不過是在某個特定的脈絡下
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the anticipated預期 conquest征服
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對麥加聖城的
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of the sanctuary避難所 city of Mecca麥加
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入侵計畫 -
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where fighting戰鬥 was usually平時 forbidden被禁止,
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聖城通常是禁止打鬥的。
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and the permission允許 comes hedged對沖 about with qualifiers預選賽.
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而屠殺的許可卻附帶著限制條件
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Not "You must必須 kill unbelievers不信 in Mecca麥加,"
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不是說,你必須殺死麥加城裡的異教徒
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but you can, you are allowed允許 to,
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而是說,你可以這麼做,並且受到允許
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but only after a grace恩典 period is over
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不過僅能在寬限期結束之後
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and only if there's no other pact協議 in place地點
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並且不存在任何其他條約的時候
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and only if they try to stop you getting得到 to the Kaaba天房,
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只能在他們試圖阻止你去卡巴聖堂朝觀的時候
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and only if they attack攻擊 you first.
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只有在他們首先發動攻擊的時候
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And even then -- God is merciful仁慈;
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即便在這個時候-真主還是慈悲的
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forgiveness饒恕 is supreme最高 --
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寬恕至上-
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and so, essentially實質上,
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所以,根本上而言
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better if you don't.
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你最好別殺
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(Laughter笑聲)
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(笑聲)
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This was perhaps也許 the biggest最大 surprise --
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這或許是最大的驚喜-
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how flexible靈活 the Koran可蘭經 is,
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at least最小 in minds頭腦 that are not
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至少對於那些並非
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fundamentally從根本上 inflexible呆板.
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完全固不可化的人來說是如此
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"Some of these verses經文 are definite in meaning含義," it says,
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「有些語句意義很明確。」它說
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"and others其他 are ambiguous曖昧."
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「而有些則含混不清。」
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The perverse at heart
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心術不正者
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will seek尋求 out the ambiguities歧義,
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會找尋有歧義之處
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trying to create創建 discord不和
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藉由自己所闡述的解釋
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by pinning釘住 down meanings含義 of their own擁有.
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企圖製造矛盾
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Only God knows知道 the true真正 meaning含義.
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只有真主知道真義
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The phrase短語 "God is subtle微妙"
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「真主難以捉摸」的詞句
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appears出現 again and again,
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一再的出現
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and indeed確實, the whole整個 of the Koran可蘭經 is far more subtle微妙
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誠然,整部古蘭經更是難以捉摸
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than most of us have been led to believe.
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其程度超過我們原本所盲目相信的一切
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As in, for instance,
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例如
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that little matter
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有關於
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of virgins處女 and paradise天堂.
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處女和天堂這一小部份
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Old-fashioned過時 Orientalism東方 comes into play here.
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老派的東方主義在此發揮了作用
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The word used four times
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有個字出現了四次
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is HourisHouris,
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就是「天堂女神」(Houris)
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rendered呈現 as
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譯文作解為
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dark-eyed黑眼睛 maidens少女 with swelling腫脹 breasts乳房,
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擁有豐胸的黑眼少女
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or as fair公平, high-bosomed高暗藏 virgins處女.
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或者是,白皙挺乳的處女
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Yet然而 all there is in the original原版的 Arabic阿拉伯
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然而在阿拉伯文原版中,卻僅僅那個一個字
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is that one word: HourisHouris.
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那就是:天堂女神(Houris)
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Not a swelling腫脹 breast乳房 nor也不 a high bosom in sight視力.
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根本沒有豐胸、挺乳這樣的形容詞
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(Laughter笑聲)
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(笑聲)
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Now this may可能 be a way of saying
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這或許是用來描述純潔生物
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"pure beings眾生" -- like in angels天使 --
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的一種方式-像是形容天使-
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or it may可能 be like the Greek希臘語 Kouros的Kouros or Kórē,
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或者像是希臘語中的Kouros或Kórē
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an eternal永恆 youth青年.
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意指長生不老的青年
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But the truth真相 is nobody沒有人 really knows知道,
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但事實在於,沒有人知道真正的釋義
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and that's the point.
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而這就是重點所在
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Because the Koran可蘭經 is quite相當 clear明確
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因為古蘭經明確表述
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when it says that you'll你會 be
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你將會
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"a new creation創建 in paradise天堂"
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「在天堂獲得新生」
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and that you will be "recreated重建
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你將會被
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in a form形成 unknown未知 to you,"
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「重新創造成你未知的形式」
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which哪一個 seems似乎 to me a far more appealing吸引人的 prospect展望
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比起成為一個處女,這個觀點對我而言
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than a virgin處女.
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更具有吸引力
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(Laughter笑聲)
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(笑聲)
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And that number 72 never appears出現.
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而72這個數字從未出現過
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There are no 72 virgins處女
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72個處女從沒有出現在
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in the Koran可蘭經.
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古蘭經裡。
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That idea理念 only came來了 into being存在 300 years年份 later後來,
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這個說法在300年後才開始出現
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and most Islamic清真 scholars學者 see it as the equivalent當量
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而大多數的伊斯蘭學者視其等同於
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of people with wings翅膀 sitting坐在 on clouds
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坐在雲端上
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and strumming彈撥 harps豎琴.
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彈奏豎琴的翼人。
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Paradise天堂 is quite相當 the opposite對面.
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天堂的景象則大不相同
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It's not virginity童貞;
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它和處女無關
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it's fecundity肥沃.
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它是豐饒
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It's plenty豐富.
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是富庶
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It's gardens花園 watered澆水
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它是一處花園
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by running賽跑 streams.
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被潺潺流水滋養著
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Thank you.
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謝謝
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(Applause掌聲)
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Translated by Lihua Lin
Reviewed by Joanne Ko

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ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Lesley Hazleton - Writer, psychologist
Writer, psychologist and former Middle East reporter Lesley Hazleton explores the vast and often terrifying arena in which politics and religion intersect.

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Lesley Hazleton has traced the roots of conflict in several books, including compelling 'flesh-and-blood' biographies of Muhammad and Mary, and casts "an agnostic eye on politics, religion, and existence" on her blog, AccidentalTheologist.com.

Her newest book, Agnostic: A Spirited Manifesto, celebrates the agnostic stance as "rising above the flat two-dimensional line of belief/unbelief, creating new possibilities for how we think about being in the world." In it, she explores what we mean by the search for meaning, invokes the humbling perspective of infinity and reconsiders what we talk about when we talk about soul.

Hazleton's approach has been praised as "vital and mischievous" by the New York Times, and as "a positive orientation to life, one that embraces both science and mystery ... while remaining intimately grounded and engaged."

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