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Sebastian Junger: Our lonely society makes it hard to come home from war
塞巴斯蒂安．榮格爾: 讓退伍軍人歸途難行的孤獨社會
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塞巴斯蒂安．榮格爾（Sebastian Junger） 親身經歷過戰爭，他知道戰爭對軍人造成的精神創傷。但他認為軍人回國後，造成痛苦的主要原因是：遠離了軍隊中部落式的親密關係，以及進入了一個疏離分裂的現代社會。“ 有時我們問自己能不能拯救退伍軍人 ” 榮格爾說，“ 我認為真正的問題在於我們能不能拯救我們自己 ”。
Sebastian Junger - Journalist and documentarian
The author of "The Perfect Storm" and the director of the documentaries "Restrepo" and "Korengal," Sebastian Junger tells non-fiction stories with grit and emotion. Full bio
The author of "The Perfect Storm" and the director of the documentaries "Restrepo" and "Korengal," Sebastian Junger tells non-fiction stories with grit and emotion. Full bio
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00:13
I worked as a war reporter for 15 years
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我曾經當了十五年的戰地記者，
00:17
before I realized
that I really had a problem.
that I really had a problem.
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直到我意識到我有一個問題。
00:21
There was something really wrong with me.
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這個問題一直在困擾著我。
00:23
This was about a year before 9/11,
and America wasn't at war yet.
and America wasn't at war yet.
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那距離 911 事件發生還有一年，
美國還沒有向阿富汗宣戰。
美國還沒有向阿富汗宣戰。
00:27
We weren't talking about PTSD.
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當時大家還沒有開始談論
「創傷後壓力症候群」
「創傷後壓力症候群」
00:29
We were not yet talking
about the effect of trauma and war
about the effect of trauma and war
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大家還沒有討論戰爭和精神創傷
00:34
on the human psyche.
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對人類心理的影響。
00:36
I'd been in Afghanistan
for a couple of months
for a couple of months
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我曾經在阿富汗和
北方聯盟一起待過幾個月。
北方聯盟一起待過幾個月。
00:38
with the Northern Alliance
as they were fighting the Taliban.
as they were fighting the Taliban.
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當時他們正在和塔利班作戰。
00:42
And at that point the Taliban
had an air force,
had an air force,
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當時塔利班他們有空軍，
00:45
they had fighter planes,
they had tanks, they had artillery,
they had tanks, they had artillery,
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他們有戰機，有坦克，有大炮，
00:48
and we really got hammered
pretty badly a couple of times.
pretty badly a couple of times.
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而我們的確有幾次受到了重創。
00:51
We saw some very ugly things.
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我們看到了非常悲慘的事情。
00:55
But I didn't really think it affected me.
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但我不覺得它影響了我。
00:57
I didn't think much about it.
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我甚至不會回想起它。
00:58
I came home to New York, where I live.
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後來我回到我生活的紐約。
01:01
Then one day I went down into the subway,
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有一天我去到地鐵站，
01:04
and for the first time in my life,
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人生中第一次，
01:06
I knew real fear.
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我感受到了真正的恐懼。
01:08
I had a massive panic attack.
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嚴重的恐慌症突然發作。
01:12
I was way more scared
than I had ever been in Afghanistan.
than I had ever been in Afghanistan.
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這要比我在阿富汗經歷過的
更使我害怕。
更使我害怕。
01:16
Everything I was looking at seemed like
it was going to kill me,
it was going to kill me,
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我能看到的所有東西
都像將要殺了我一樣，
都像將要殺了我一樣，
01:19
but I couldn't explain why.
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但我不能解釋這是為什麼。
01:22
The trains were going too fast.
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地鐵看上去開得太快了。
01:24
There were too many people.
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人群看上去實在是太多了。
01:25
The lights were too bright.
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燈光太亮。
01:27
Everything was too loud,
everything was moving too quickly.
everything was moving too quickly.
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所有的事情都太吵、
都動的太快了。
都動的太快了。
01:30
I backed up against a support column
and just waited for it.
and just waited for it.
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我靠在一根柱子上
等待這陣恐慌過去。
等待這陣恐慌過去。
01:35
When I couldn't take it any longer,
I ran out of the subway station
I ran out of the subway station
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當我再也忍受不了的時候，
我跑出了地鐵站，
我跑出了地鐵站，
01:38
and walked wherever I was going.
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毫無目的地走在路上。
01:41
Later, I found out that what I had
was short-term PTSD:
was short-term PTSD:
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後來我發現
我患上了短期的 PTSD：
我患上了短期的 PTSD：
01:45
post-traumatic stress disorder.
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也就是「創傷後壓力症候群」。
01:48
We evolved as animals, as primates,
to survive periods of danger,
to survive periods of danger,
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我們從動物、人猿演化而來，
在危險情境中生存了下來，
在危險情境中生存了下來，
01:52
and if your life has been in danger,
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如果你的生命處於危險的情境當中，
01:55
you want to react to unfamiliar noises.
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你會想對不熟悉的噪音作出反應。
01:59
You want to sleep lightly, wake up easily.
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你會淺眠，而且很容易驚醒。
02:01
You want to have nightmares and flashbacks
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你就會做噩夢並回憶起
02:03
of the thing that could kill you.
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那些差點把你殺掉的事情。
02:06
You want to be angry because it makes you
predisposed to fight,
predisposed to fight,
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你會變得很生氣，因為它會讓你
進入準備戰鬥的狀態，
進入準備戰鬥的狀態，
02:09
or depressed, because it keeps you out
of circulation a little bit.
of circulation a little bit.
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或者變得絕望，因為它會
讓你有點喘不過氣來，
讓你有點喘不過氣來，
02:13
Keeps you safe.
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你會想隨時保持自己的安全。
02:15
It's not very pleasant,
but it's better than getting eaten.
but it's better than getting eaten.
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這並不令人愉快，
但總比死亡要好。
但總比死亡要好。
02:20
Most people recover
from that pretty quickly.
from that pretty quickly.
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大部分的人很快就可以
從這精神障礙中康復。
從這精神障礙中康復。
02:22
It takes a few weeks, a few months.
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這個過程要幾週，或者幾個月。
02:25
I kept having panic attacks,
but they eventually went away.
but they eventually went away.
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我一直經歷著這種痛苦的打擊，
但我最後還是康復了。
但我最後還是康復了。
02:28
I had no idea it was connected
to the war that I'd seen.
to the war that I'd seen.
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我從不知道他們和我
目睹過的戰爭有聯繫。
目睹過的戰爭有聯繫。
02:30
I just thought I was going crazy,
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我只覺得我快要瘋了。
02:32
and then I thought, well,
now I'm not going crazy anymore.
now I'm not going crazy anymore.
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然後我只是覺得，
現在我不會再發瘋了。
現在我不會再發瘋了。
02:37
About 20 percent of people, however,
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然而，大概有 20% 的人，
02:39
wind up with chronic, long-term PTSD.
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遭受著慢性的、
長期的創傷後壓力症。
長期的創傷後壓力症。
02:43
They are not adapted to temporary danger.
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他們不是要去面對短期的危險，
02:45
They are maladapted for everyday life,
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而是不能適應日常的生活，
02:48
unless they get help.
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除非他們尋求幫助。
02:49
We know that the people
who are vulnerable to long-term PTSD
who are vulnerable to long-term PTSD
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我們知道有些人比較容易得
長期的創傷後壓力症：
長期的創傷後壓力症：
02:53
are people who were abused as children,
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這些人也許是童年時受過虐待，
02:56
who suffered trauma as children,
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也許是童年時遭受過精神創傷，
02:58
people who have low education levels,
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也許是沒有受過高等教育的人，
03:00
people who have psychiatric
disorders in their family.
disorders in their family.
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也許是有精神病的家庭遺傳，
03:03
If you served in Vietnam
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假如你曾經在越南服役
03:04
and your brother is schizophrenic,
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而且你有一個患精神分裂症的兄弟，
03:07
you're way more likely to get
long-term PTSD from Vietnam.
long-term PTSD from Vietnam.
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那你在越南回國後，有更大的可能
會患上長期的創傷後壓力症。
會患上長期的創傷後壓力症。
03:12
So I started to study this
as a journalist,
as a journalist,
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所以作為一個記者，
我開始研究這個問題，
我開始研究這個問題，
03:15
and I realized that there was something
really strange going on.
really strange going on.
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我意識到有一些奇怪的事情存在。
03:19
The numbers seemed to be going
in the wrong direction.
in the wrong direction.
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數據看上去正在往一個錯誤的方向變化。
03:22
Every war that we have
fought as a country,
fought as a country,
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每一次我們國家參與的戰爭，
03:24
starting with the Civil War,
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——從獨立戰爭開始，
03:26
the intensity of the combat has gone down.
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戰爭的強度開始下降。
03:30
As a result, the casualty rates
have gone down.
have gone down.
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所以，傷亡率也開始下降。
03:34
But disability rates have gone up.
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但是殘疾率卻開始上升。
03:36
They should be going
in the same direction,
in the same direction,
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它們本應該按同樣的方向變化，
03:39
but they're going in different directions.
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但是它們變化的方向卻相反。
03:44
The recent wars in Iraq and Afghanistan
have produced, thank God,
have produced, thank God,
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感謝上帝，最近在伊拉克和
阿富汗的戰爭僅造成
阿富汗的戰爭僅造成
03:48
a casualty rate about one third
of what it was in Vietnam.
of what it was in Vietnam.
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越南戰爭 1/3 的傷亡率。
03:56
But they've also created --
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但是它們也造成了，
03:58
they've also produced
three times the disability rates.
three times the disability rates.
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越戰殘疾率的三倍。
04:03
Around 10 percent of the US military
is actively engaged in combat,
is actively engaged in combat,
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將近有 10% 的美國軍人經歷過戰場，
04:10
10 percent or under.
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——將近 10% 或者 10% 以下。
04:11
They're shooting at people,
killing people,
killing people,
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他們在戰場上開火、殺人、
04:14
getting shot at,
seeing their friends get killed.
seeing their friends get killed.
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中彈、或者看著他們的戰友倒下。
04:16
It's incredibly traumatic.
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這真的是十分痛苦。
04:18
But it's only about 10 percent
of our military.
of our military.
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但這只是我們軍隊的 10%。
04:20
But about half of our military has filed
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然而從政府的檔案中，
我們看到有一半的軍人
我們看到有一半的軍人
04:23
for some kind of PTSD compensation
from the government.
from the government.
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正在領取創傷後
壓力症候群的救濟金。
壓力症候群的救濟金。
04:28
And suicide doesn't even fit into this
in a very logical way.
in a very logical way.
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從邏輯看來，自殺人數
根本不符合這個數據。
根本不符合這個數據。
04:34
We've all heard the tragic statistic
of 22 vets a day, on average,
of 22 vets a day, on average,
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我們都聽過一個悲慘的統計數據，
這個國家平均一天，
有 22 位退伍軍人選擇自殺。
有 22 位退伍軍人選擇自殺。
04:39
in this country, killing themselves.
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04:43
Most people don't realize
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多數人沒有意識到
04:45
that the majority of those suicides
are veterans of the Vietnam War,
are veterans of the Vietnam War,
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這些自殺者的大多數
是從越南戰爭回國的軍人，
是從越南戰爭回國的軍人，
04:50
that generation,
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在那一個年代，
04:52
and their decision to take their own lives
actually might not be related
actually might not be related
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他們選擇結束生命的方式
也許和他們在五十年前
參與過的戰爭不太有關連性。
參與過的戰爭不太有關連性。
04:57
to the war they fought 50 years earlier.
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05:01
In fact, there's no statistical connection
between combat and suicide.
between combat and suicide.
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事實上，還沒有戰爭與自殺率
相關性的統計數據。
相關性的統計數據。
05:04
If you're in the military
and you're in a lot of combat,
and you're in a lot of combat,
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假如你在軍隊中參與過很多場戰役，
05:07
you're no more likely to kill yourself
than if you weren't.
than if you weren't.
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你更不會傾向於選擇自殺，
05:11
In fact, one study found
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事實上，一個研究表明
05:12
that if you deploy to Iraq or Afghanistan,
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假如你參與過伊拉克或者阿富汗戰爭，
05:15
you're actually slightly less likely
to commit suicide later.
to commit suicide later.
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其實你是更不可能
在以後選擇自殺的。
在以後選擇自殺的。
05:20
I studied anthropology in college.
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我在大學學習的是人類學。
05:22
I did my fieldwork
on the Navajo reservation.
on the Navajo reservation.
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我在納瓦霍族遺址做過實地調查，
05:25
I wrote a thesis on Navajo
long-distance runners.
long-distance runners.
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寫過關於納瓦霍族長跑者的論文。
05:30
And recently, while
I was researching PTSD,
I was researching PTSD,
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最近我在研究創傷後壓力症候群的時候，
05:35
I had this thought.
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我有了一個想法。
05:38
I thought back to the work
I did when I was young,
I did when I was young,
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我想起我年輕時做過的研究，
05:41
and I thought, I bet the Navajo,
the Apache, the Comanche --
the Apache, the Comanche --
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我在想納瓦霍人、
阿帕奇人、科曼奇人，
阿帕奇人、科曼奇人，
05:45
I mean, these are very warlike nations --
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——這些好戰的民族——
05:48
I bet they weren't getting
PTSD like we do.
PTSD like we do.
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我猜他們不會像我們一樣
患上創傷後壓力症。
患上創傷後壓力症。
05:52
When their warriors came back
from fighting the US military
from fighting the US military
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當他們的戰士從抵抗美國
軍隊的戰爭中回到家鄉
軍隊的戰爭中回到家鄉
05:55
or fighting each other,
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或者從互相攻擊的戰爭中回來，
05:58
I bet they pretty much just slipped
right back into tribal life.
right back into tribal life.
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我猜他們肯定很容易就
重新融入部落生活。
重新融入部落生活。
06:03
And maybe what determines
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也許
決定長期創傷後壓力症的因素
06:05
the rate of long-term PTSD
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06:08
isn't what happened out there,
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不是在戰場上發生了什麼，
06:11
but the kind of society you come back to.
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而是你回到了什麼樣的社會。
06:15
And maybe if you come back
to a close, cohesive, tribal society,
to a close, cohesive, tribal society,
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也許假如你回到一個緊密聯繫的、
團結的、部落化的社會，
團結的、部落化的社會，
06:20
you can get over trauma pretty quickly.
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你很快就能從精神創傷中康復。
06:23
And if you come back
to an alienating, modern society,
to an alienating, modern society,
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但假如你回到一個人與人
疏遠的現代的社會，
疏遠的現代的社會，
06:28
you might remain traumatized
your entire life.
your entire life.
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你可能在以後的一輩子
都遭受精神創傷。
都遭受精神創傷。
06:32
In other words, maybe the problem
isn't them, the vets;
isn't them, the vets;
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也就是說，也許問題不在於
退伍軍人本身；
退伍軍人本身；
06:35
maybe the problem is us.
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而在於社會上的我們。
06:39
Certainly, modern society
is hard on the human psyche
is hard on the human psyche
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的確，現代社會對人類的精神
帶來了重大的壓力，
帶來了重大的壓力，
06:44
by every metric that we have.
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這些壓力來自於我們社會上
各種的衡量標準。
各種的衡量標準。
06:49
As wealth goes up in a society,
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隨著社會財富的積累，
06:53
the suicide rate goes up instead of down.
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自殺率上升而不是下降。
06:58
If you live in modern society,
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假如你生活在現代社會，
07:00
you're up to eight times more likely
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你患上抑鬱症的可能性
相比於你在貧窮的農業社會生活要高八倍。
07:04
to suffer from depression in your lifetime
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07:06
than if you live in a poor,
agrarian society.
agrarian society.
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07:10
Modern society has probably produced
the highest rates of suicide
the highest rates of suicide
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現代社會也許產生了最高的自殺率
07:14
and depression and anxiety
and loneliness and child abuse
and loneliness and child abuse
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抑鬱症、焦慮症、孤僻症
和受到童年虐待的可能，
和受到童年虐待的可能，
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ever in human history.
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這比例要比歷史任一時代都高。
07:20
I saw one study
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我看過一個研究，
07:22
that compared women in Nigeria,
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它把奈吉利亞的婦女，
07:25
one of the most chaotic
and violent and corrupt
and violent and corrupt
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也就是非洲最混亂、最暴力、最腐敗
07:28
and poorest countries in Africa,
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最貧窮的國家之一，
07:31
to women in North America.
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和北美的女性進行比較。
07:32
And the highest rates of depression
were urban women in North America.
were urban women in North America.
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北美的城市女性
是憂鬱症患病率最高的。
是憂鬱症患病率最高的。
07:37
That was also the wealthiest group.
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她們也是最富裕的群體。
07:40
So let's go back to the US military.
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我們回頭來看美軍的狀況。
07:45
Ten percent are in combat.
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10% 的軍人經歷過戰爭。
07:47
Around 50 percent have filed
for PTSD compensation.
for PTSD compensation.
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這裡面有將近 50% 的軍人登記在案，
領取創傷後壓力症候群的補償。
領取創傷後壓力症候群的補償。
07:53
So about 40 percent of veterans
really were not traumatized overseas
really were not traumatized overseas
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所以大概 40% 的退休軍人
並不是在海外受到精神創傷，
並不是在海外受到精神創傷，
07:59
but have come home to discover
they are dangerously alienated
they are dangerously alienated
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而是回到家後
發現他們被孤立
發現他們被孤立
08:04
and depressed.
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並感到沮喪絕望。
08:08
So what is happening with them?
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那麼他們遭遇了什麼？
08:11
What's going on with those people,
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在他們身上究竟發生了什麼，
08:14
the phantom 40 percent that are troubled
but don't understand why?
but don't understand why?
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我們讓 40% 的人，
患上創傷後壓力症，卻不清楚成因？
患上創傷後壓力症，卻不清楚成因？
08:18
Maybe it's this:
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也許是這樣的：
08:20
maybe they had an experience
of sort of tribal closeness
of sort of tribal closeness
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也許當時他們在海外，
經歷過部隊親密的戰友關係。
08:24
in their unit when they were overseas.
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08:28
They were eating together,
sleeping together,
sleeping together,
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他們一起吃飯，一起睡覺，
08:30
doing tasks and missions together.
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一起完成任務。
08:33
They were trusting each other
with their lives.
with their lives.
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他們以生命維護彼此的信任。
08:37
And then they come home
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當他們回到家，
08:38
and they have to give all that up
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他們必須捨棄戰場上的所有情誼，
08:41
and they're coming back
to a society, a modern society,
to a society, a modern society,
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他們回到社會，這個現代社會，
08:45
which is hard on people
who weren't even in the military.
who weren't even in the military.
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這個即使沒有入過伍的人
都覺得艱難的社會。
都覺得艱難的社會。
08:49
It's just hard on everybody.
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所有人在這社會都活得艱苦。
08:51
And we keep focusing on trauma, PTSD.
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而我們卻一直關注
精神創傷、創傷後壓力症，
精神創傷、創傷後壓力症，
08:56
But for a lot of these people,
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但對大部分人來說，
08:59
maybe it's not trauma.
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也許這不是精神創傷。
09:00
I mean, certainly,
soldiers are traumatized
soldiers are traumatized
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我的意思是，
士兵的確是受過精神創傷，
士兵的確是受過精神創傷，
09:03
and the ones who are
have to be treated for that.
have to be treated for that.
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也有士兵接受過治療。
09:05
But a lot of them --
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但他們中的很多人——
09:06
maybe what's bothering them
is actually a kind of alienation.
is actually a kind of alienation.
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也許困擾他們的只是一種隔離感。
09:10
I mean, maybe we just have
the wrong word for some of it,
the wrong word for some of it,
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我的意思是，也許我們只是
錯用了詞語去形容他們，
錯用了詞語去形容他們，
09:13
and just changing our language,
our understanding,
our understanding,
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只要改變我們的語言、
我們的認知，
我們的認知，
09:15
would help a little bit.
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就能幫助改變現狀。
09:16
"Post-deployment alienation disorder."
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「 戰後孤獨感症候群 」
09:19
Maybe even just calling it that
for some of these people
for some of these people
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也許只要這樣稱呼
他們其中的一部分人，
他們其中的一部分人，
09:23
would allow them to stop imagining
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就能幫助他們停止聯想
09:26
trying to imagine a trauma
that didn't really happen
that didn't really happen
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一個根本沒有發生過的創傷，
09:29
in order to explain a feeling
that really is happening.
that really is happening.
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這是為了解釋一種
他們正在經歷的感受。
他們正在經歷的感受。
09:32
And in fact, it's an extremely
dangerous feeling.
dangerous feeling.
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而事實上，這是一種
非常危險的感覺。
非常危險的感覺。
09:35
That alienation and depression
can lead to suicide.
can lead to suicide.
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隔離感和抑鬱會導致自殺。
09:37
These people are in danger.
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這些人正處於危險中。
09:39
It's very important to understand why.
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瞭解成因是非常重要的事情。
09:43
The Israeli military has a PTSD rate
of around one percent.
of around one percent.
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以色列軍隊的
創傷後壓力症比例在1%左右。
創傷後壓力症比例在1%左右。
09:47
The theory is that everyone in Israel
is supposed to serve in the military.
is supposed to serve in the military.
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有一種理論是說，因為以色列
的所有人都需要服兵役。
的所有人都需要服兵役。
09:53
When soldiers come back
from the front line,
from the front line,
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當軍人從前線回來，
09:55
they're not going from a military
environment to a civilian environment.
environment to a civilian environment.
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他們不是要從軍隊環境回到文明社會，
10:00
They're coming back to a community
where everyone understands
where everyone understands
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而是回到一個
人人都瞭解甚麼是當兵的社會。
10:05
about the military.
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10:06
Everyone's been in it
or is going to be in it.
or is going to be in it.
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每個人都曾經服役、或者準備去服役。
10:09
Everyone understands
the situation they're all in.
the situation they're all in.
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每個人都瞭解他們處於的環境，
10:11
It's as if they're all in one big tribe.
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就像他們都處於一個大部落。
10:14
We know that if you take a lab rat
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我們知道假如你用一隻實驗鼠，
10:16
and traumatize it and put it
in a cage by itself,
in a cage by itself,
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讓它受到精神創傷，
再把它獨自放在籠子里，
再把它獨自放在籠子里，
10:20
you can maintain its trauma symptoms
almost indefinitely.
almost indefinitely.
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你可以永無止境地
讓牠保持在精神創傷的狀態。
讓牠保持在精神創傷的狀態。
10:23
And if you take that same lab rat
and put it in a cage with other rats,
and put it in a cage with other rats,
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但假如你把同樣的實驗鼠
放在有其他老鼠的籠子里，
放在有其他老鼠的籠子里，
10:30
after a couple of weeks,
it's pretty much OK.
it's pretty much OK.
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幾個星期後，
牠的表現就會回復正常了。
牠的表現就會回復正常了。
10:35
After 9/11,
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9/11事件以後，
10:38
the murder rate in New York City
went down by 40 percent.
went down by 40 percent.
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紐約市的謀殺率降低了 40%，
10:41
The suicide rate went down.
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自殺率也下降了，
10:44
The violent crime rate in New York
went down after 9/11.
went down after 9/11.
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紐約市暴力犯罪率在
911 事件後也下降了。
911 事件後也下降了。
10:49
Even combat veterans of previous wars
who suffered from PTSD
who suffered from PTSD
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即使經歷過之前的戰爭、
患有創傷後壓力症候群的退伍軍人
患有創傷後壓力症候群的退伍軍人
10:54
said that their symptoms went down
after 9/11 happened.
after 9/11 happened.
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也說他們的症狀在
911 事件之後減輕了。
911 事件之後減輕了。
10:59
The reason is that if you traumatize
an entire society,
an entire society,
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原因是，假如你讓
整個社會受到精神創傷，
整個社會受到精神創傷，
11:04
we don't fall apart
and turn on one another.
and turn on one another.
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我們不會瓦解崩潰並
和別人針鋒相對。
和別人針鋒相對。
11:07
We come together. We unify.
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我們會團結起來。
11:09
Basically, we tribalize,
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從根本上說，我們部落化了，
11:11
and that process of unifying
feels so good and is so good for us,
feels so good and is so good for us,
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團結一起的過程讓人感覺很好，
也對我們有益，
也對我們有益，
而且它甚至可以幫助那些
11:17
that it even helps people
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11:18
who are struggling
with mental health issues.
with mental health issues.
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正在精神障礙中掙扎的人們。
11:22
During the blitz in London,
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在二戰倫敦被德國轟炸的期間，
11:24
admissions to psychiatric wards
went down during the bombings.
went down during the bombings.
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精神病醫院的患者減少了。
11:30
For a while, that was the kind of country
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有一段時間，美軍從海外返回的國家
11:33
that American soldiers came
back to -- a unified country.
back to -- a unified country.
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是一個團結的國家。
11:38
We were sticking together.
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我們團結在一起。
11:39
We were trying to understand
the threat against us.
the threat against us.
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我們嘗試去瞭解我們面對的威脅。
11:42
We were trying to help
ourselves and the world.
ourselves and the world.
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我們嘗試去幫助自己以至於整個世界。
11:47
But that's changed.
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但情況改變了。
11:50
Now, American soldiers,
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現在美軍，
11:52
American veterans are coming back
to a country that is so bitterly divided
to a country that is so bitterly divided
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美國的退伍軍人正在回到
一個極其分裂的國家，
一個極其分裂的國家，
11:57
that the two political parties
are literally accusing each other
are literally accusing each other
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兩黨互相指控對方叛國、
12:02
of treason, of being
an enemy of the state,
an enemy of the state,
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是國家的敵人、
12:06
of trying to undermine the security
and the welfare of their own country.
and the welfare of their own country.
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或者暗中顛覆國家的
國土安全和福利。
國土安全和福利。
12:11
The gap between rich and poor
is the biggest it's ever been.
is the biggest it's ever been.
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貧富差距是有史以來最大的。
12:15
It's just getting worse.
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現狀還在惡化。
12:16
Race relations are terrible.
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族群關係也很糟糕。
12:18
There are demonstrations
and even riots in the streets
and even riots in the streets
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因為種族的不平等，
12:21
because of racial injustice.
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街上有抗議活動，甚至暴亂。
12:24
And veterans know that any tribe
that treated itself that way -- in fact,
that treated itself that way -- in fact,
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退伍軍人知道任何
一個部落或者連隊
一個部落或者連隊
12:29
any platoon that treated itself
that way -- would never survive.
that way -- would never survive.
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以這樣的方式對待自己的戰友，
都不會存活。
都不會存活。
12:35
We've gotten used to it.
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我們卻已經習慣了。
12:36
Veterans have gone away
and are coming back
and are coming back
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退伍軍人曾經離開，現在重新回來
12:40
and seeing their own country
with fresh eyes.
with fresh eyes.
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以全新的角度看待自己的國家。
12:45
And they see what's going on.
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他們看到現在正在發生的事。
12:47
This is the country they fought for.
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這就是他們為之奮鬥的國家。
12:50
No wonder they're depressed.
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難怪他們會絕望。
12:52
No wonder they're scared.
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難怪他們會害怕。
12:55
Sometimes, we ask ourselves
if we can save the vets.
if we can save the vets.
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有時我們問自己
我們能不能拯救退伍軍人。
我們能不能拯救退伍軍人。
13:00
I think the real question
is if we can save ourselves.
is if we can save ourselves.
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我覺得真正的問題在於
我們能不能拯救自己。
我們能不能拯救自己。
13:03
If we can,
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假如我們可以，
13:05
I think the vets are going to be fine.
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那麼我覺得退伍軍人就能康復。
13:08
It's time for this country to unite,
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現在這個國家需要團結起來了，
13:13
if only to help the men and women
who fought to protect us.
who fought to protect us.
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只願能幫助那些為了保護我們
而戰爭的男人和女人。
而戰爭的男人和女人。
13:19
Thank you very much.
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謝謝大家。
13:20
(Applause)
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ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Sebastian Junger - Journalist and documentarianThe author of "The Perfect Storm" and the director of the documentaries "Restrepo" and "Korengal," Sebastian Junger tells non-fiction stories with grit and emotion.
Why you should listen
Sebastian Junger thundered onto the media landscape with his non-fiction book, The Perfect Storm. A correspondent for Vanity Fair and ABC News, Junger has covered stories all across the globe, igniting a new interest in non-fiction. One of his main interests: war.
From 2007 to 2008, Junger and photographer Tim Hetherington embedded with the 173rd Airborne Brigade Combat Team in Afghanistan. They spent intensive time with the soldiers at the Restrepo outpost in the Korengal Valley, which saw more combat than any other part of Afghanistan. The experience became Junger's book WAR, and the documentary "Restrepo," which was nominated for the Academy Award for Best Documentary in 2011.
Junger and Hetherington planned to make a second documentary on the topic, "Korengal," meant to help soldiers and civilians alike understand the fear, courage and complexity involved in combat. It's a project that Junger decided to carry on after Hetherington was killed in Libya while covering the civil war there. Junger self-financed and released the film.
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