Celeste Headlee: 10 ways to have a better conversation
سێلێستی هیدڵ: ١٠ ڕێگا بۆ گفتوگۆیەکی باشتر
Celeste Headlee's years of interview experience give her a unique perspective on what makes for a good conversation. Full bio
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:دهستتان بهرز بكهنهوه
فهیسبووكی خۆی لابردووه
unfriended someone on Facebook
about politics or religion,
،دهربارهى سیاسهت، ئایین
خۆی بهدوور ئهگرێت لێی
know at least one person that you avoid
to talk to them?
،گفتوگۆیهكى ڕێكوپێك بكهین
to have a polite conversation,
ماى فهیر لهیدى"ی هێنری هیگینس بكهین"
of Henry Higgins in "My Fair Lady":
تهندروستیتهوه
--ههوا و دژه ڤاكسین، ئهو بابهتانهش
and anti-vaxxing, those subjects --
to devolve into an argument,
،ناتوانن لهگهڵ یهكدا بدوێن
can't speak to one another
for it and against it, it's not normal.
.له پێناو و له دژیشدا بكات، ئاسایی نییه
،لهسهر ١٠٠٠٠ ئهمریكى ئهنجامداوه
of 10,000 American adults,
،لە هەموو کات زیاتر جەمسەرگیر بووین
we are more polarized,
not listening to each other.
،ئهوهى له كوێ بژین
پێكبێنین، تهنانهت هاوڕێكانمان كێ بن
who our friends are going to be,
.ئهو شتانەی خۆمان باوهڕمان پێیهتى
we're not listening to each other.
.گوێ له یهكتر ناگرین
between talking and listening,
ههیه له نێوان ئاخاوتن و گوێ گرتندا
we lost that balance.
هاوسهنگییهكهمان لهدهستدا
.به هۆى تهكنۆلۆژیاوهیه
either have in your hands
grab them really quickly.
.له ڕۆژێكدا زیاتر له سهد نامه دهنێرن
send more than a hundred texts a day.
زیاتری ههیه نامه بۆ هاوڕێكانیان بنێرن
are more likely to text their friends
.قسهیان لهگهڵا بكهن
to them face to face.
.ناوچهیهكی زهریای ئهتڵهسی
named Paul Barnwell.
،به ناوى پۆڵ بارنوێڵهوه
a communication project.
on a specific subject without using notes.
.تێبینی قسه لهسهر بابهتێك بكهن
that conversational competence
most overlooked skill we fail to teach.
كه شكستمان هێناوه له فێركردنى منداڵاندا
with ideas and each other through screens,
لەگەڵ یەکدا لە بەردەم شاشەکاندا
دهرفهتى ئهوهیان دەبێ
communications skills.
.كهسییهكانیان باشتر بکەن
but we have to ask ourselves:
:بهڵام دهبێت له خۆمان بپرسین
coherent, confident conversation?"
"پارچە لە بیروڕا و باوهڕبەخۆبومان ههبێت؟
:لەگەڵ خەڵکدا
.لهگهڵ ئەانەشدا دهدوێم كه بهدڵم نین
I talk to people that I don't like.
deeply on a personal level.
.ئاستێكى كهسیدا هاوڕانیم لهگهڵیان
a great conversation with them.
or so teaching you how to talk
لهگهڵ بهسهر بهرم و نیشانتان بدهم
،ئامۆژگاریتان لهسهر ئهمه بیستووه
a lot of advice on this,
to discuss in advance,
،بكهرهوه بۆ باس كردن
that you're paying attention,
،ئهوهى نیشانى بدهیت كه سەرنجت لایەتی
or summarize it.
.دەیبیستیت یان پووختی بكهرهوه
.ئهوانه له بیر بكهن
how to show you're paying attention
،سهرنجت لاى کەسێک بێت
same skills as a professional interviewer
ههمان شارهزایی بهكار دههێنم
how to interview people,
،لهگهڵ خهڵكدا بكهن
learn how to be better conversationalists.
.ببنه گفتوگۆكهرێكى باشتر
without getting bored,
،بێ ئهوهى بێزار ببیت
without offending anybody.
We know what it's like.
.کردووە و دهزانین چۆنه
،كه سهرنجى ڕاكێشاویت و كارى تێ كردوویت
walk away feeling engaged and inspired,
like you've made a real connection
.ڕاستەقینەت پێکهێنابێ
can't be like that.
.ترت بەو شێوەیە بێت
I'm going to walk you through all of them,
،به ناو هەموویاندا دهتانبهم
one of them and master it,
،ههڵبژێرن و به تهواوەتى فێرى بن
.له گفتوگۆكان وەردەگرن
just set down your cell phone
مۆبایلهكهت لابەریت
.یان ههر شتێك كه به دهستتهوهیه
or whatever is in your hand.
.لهگهڵ بەڕێوبەرەکەتدا
you had with your boss.
you're going to have for dinner.
بۆ ئێواره چى بخۆیت
،له گفتوگۆكه بچیتە دهر
of the conversation,
.لە دەرەوەیدا مهبه
and half out of it.
or argument or pushback or growth,
،رهخنهی بەرهەڵستکارانە یان گهشهکردن
:ڕهخنهگری پسپۆڕ بێنه بهرنامهكانم
why I don't allow pundits on my show:
.مۆرى خواردن و منداڵ لهبار بردن دهبێت
hate Obama and food stamps and abortion.
.نهوت و دیك چهینى دهبێت
and Dick Cheney.
assuming that you have something to learn.
.واى دابنێیت كه شتێك ههیه فێرى ببیت
م. سكۆت پێك دەڵێت
a setting aside of oneself.
.بهوهیه خۆمان بخهینه لاوە
setting aside your personal opinion.
.بیر و ڕاى كهسیمان بخهینه لاوە
،پهسهند كردنه دەکەیت
less and less vulnerable
to open up the inner recesses
something to learn.
knows something that you don't."
".شتێك دهزانێت كه تۆ نایزانیت
.كه یەکلایی نەبوونەتەوە
.سهرنجى ڕۆژنامهنووسان بده
what, when, where, why or how.
.بۆ یاخود چۆن دهست پێبكه
you're going to get a simple answer out.
.وهڵامێكى سادهت ئهدرێتێ
powerful word in that sentence,
،دهدهیتهوه لهو ڕستهیهدا
"بەڵێ، ترسابوم" یان "نەخێر، نەترسابووم"
"Yes, I was" or "No, I wasn't."
.ئهوان خۆیان ئهزانن
They're the ones that know.
"What was that like?"
"ئهوه وهك چى وا بوو؟"
for a moment and think about it,
،بووهستن و بیرێكى لێبكهنهوه
a much more interesting response.
.ڕاكێشترت دهست دهكهوێت
will come into your mind
go out of your mind.
for several minutes
چەند خولەکێک قسە دەکات
and asks a question
or it's already been answered.
کرابێت، یان پێشتر وەڵامی درابێتەوە
.دوو خوولەکبێت لە گوێگرتن کەوتبێت
stopped listening two minutes ago
of this really clever question,
،ژیرانەیە کردووەتەوە
and determined to say that.
a conversation with someone,
.کە لە قاوەخانەکە هیو جاکمانمان بینیوە
that we met Hugh Jackman in a coffee shop.
are going to come to you.
say that you don't know.
،له ڕادیۆی گشتی نشتیمانى
especially on NPR,
that they're going on the record,
،تۆمارکردنی دەنگییەوە
about what they claim to be an expert in
دەبن بڵێن كه له چیدا پسپۆڕن
your experience with theirs.
.كهسانى تر وهك یهك تهماشا مهكه
،كهسێكى خێزانهكهیان بكهن
about having lost a family member,
.كهسێكى خێزانهكهت لهدهستدا
you lost a family member.
they're having at work,
.ڕقت له كارهكهى خۆته
how much you hate your job.
it is not about you.
to prove how amazing you are
ئهوهى بیسهلمێنیت چهنێك سەرسوڕهێنەریت
،ئاى كیوی چهنده، و ئەویش وتی
what his IQ was, and he said,
".دەنازن كهسانێکی دۆڕاون
about their IQs are losers."
a promotional opportunity.
.بۆ ریکلامکردن بۆخۆت
and it's really boring,
or in conversations with our kids,
،گفتوگۆ لهگهڵ منداڵهكانماندا
over and over.
.دوور بكهوهرهوه
هەوڵدەدەیت بۆ دۆزینەوەی
to come up with in your mind.
.ئەوەی گرنگە بەلایانەوە تۆیت
What they care about is you.
،ئەوەیە کە خۆت چۆنیت
.لە نێوانتانا
.وازیان لێ بێنە
but it is the most important one.
.بەڵام گرنگترین دانەیە
really important people have said
زۆر گرنگ ئەوەیان وتووە کە
the number one most important skill
و گرنگترین شارەزایی بێت
you're not learning."
"ئەوا فێری هیچ نابیت
ever listened his way out of a job."
".گوێیگرتبێت شکستی نەهێناوە لە کارەکەیدا
I'm not interested in.
.کە گرنگ نەبێت بەلامەوە
at about 225 word per minute,
،نزیکەی ٢٢٥ وشە دەڵێت
500 words per minute.
.٥٠٠ وشە بگرین لە خولەکێکدا
those other 275 words.
.٢٧٥ وشەیەی تر پڕ دەکاتەوە
it takes effort and energy
you're not in a conversation.
.ئێوە لە گفتوگۆیەکدا نین
barely related sentences
بە ڕووی یەکتردا دەڵێن
with the intent to understand.
تێگەشتنەوە گوێناگرین
and it's this one: Be brief.
.ئەویش ئەمەیانە: کورت و پوخت بە
،وەک پێویست کورت بۆ هێشتنەوەی حەز
short enough to retain interest,
the subject. -- My Sister]
(دابۆشینی بابەتەکە . - لە وتەکانی خوشکەکەم
basic concept, and it is this one:
:بیرۆکەی بنچینەی، و ئەویش ئەمەیە
زۆر بەناوبانگدا گەورەبووم
with a very famous grandfather,
.جۆرە مەراسیمێک دەکرا
to talk to my grandparents,
،نەنکم و باپیرم
my mother would come over to us,
.شاجوانی ئەمریکا بوو
He's a Russian ballet dancer."
".ئەوە سەماکەرێکی بالێی ڕووسییە
amazing thing about them.
سەرسوڕهێنەرییان هەیە
it's what makes me a better host.
منی کردووە بە پێشکەشکارێکی باشتر
as often as I possibly can,
،دەمم بە داخراوی ئەهێڵمەوە
،شتێک سەرسامم بکات
be prepared to be amazed.
ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Celeste Headlee - Writer and radio hostCeleste Headlee's years of interview experience give her a unique perspective on what makes for a good conversation.
Why you should listen
Celeste Headlee hosts a daily news/talk show, On Second Thought, on Georgia Public Broadcasting.
Headlee has worked in public radio since 1999, as a reporter, host and correspondent. She was the Midwest Correspondent for NPR before becoming the co-host of the PRI show "The Takeaway.” After that, she guest hosted a number of NPR shows including "Tell Me More,” "Talk of the Nation,” "Weekend All Things Considered” and "Weekend Edition". Headlee also anchored election coverage for PBS World in 2012 and was a regular guest on CNN.
Headlee holds multiple degrees in music and still performs as a professional opera singer. She appears on the album “Classically Blue” from gospel artist Lea Gilmore. She's the granddaughter of composer William Grant Still.
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