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Misha Glenny - Underworld investigator
Journalist Misha Glenny leaves no stone unturned (and no failed state unexamined) in his excavation of criminal globalization.

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In minute detail, Misha Glenny's 2008 book McMafia illuminates the byzantine outlines of global organized crime. Whether it's pot smugglers in British Columbia, oil/weapons/people traffickers in Eastern Europe, Japanese yakuza or Nigerian scammers, to research this magisterial work Glenny penetrated the convoluted, globalized and franchised modern underworld -- often at considerable personal risk.

The book that resulted is an exhaustive look at an unseen industry that Glenny believes may account for 15% of the world's GDP.

Legal society ignores this world at its peril, but Glenny suggests that conventional law enforcement might not be able to combat a problem whose roots lie in global instability.

While covering the Central Europe beat for the Guardian and the BBC, Glenny wrote several acclaimed books on the fall of Yugoslavia and the rise of the Balkan nations. He's researching a new book on cybercrime, of which he says: "The key to cybercrime is what we call social engineering. Or to use the technical term for it, there's one born every minute."

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Misha Glenny: Hire the hackers!

Misha Glenny: Bigyang trabaho ang mga hackers!

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Sa kabila ng bilyon-bilyong dolyares na puhunan sa cybersecurity, isa sa mga nakaugat na problema ay hindi lubos napapansin: sino ang mga taong nagsusulat ng malisyosong code? Isa-isang tinukoy ng imbestigador na si Misha Glenny ang ilang coders mula sa iba't ibang panig ng mundo na nahatulan na sa korte, at inilahad niya ang isang kagulat-gulat na konklusyon.
- Underworld investigator
Journalist Misha Glenny leaves no stone unturned (and no failed state unexamined) in his excavation of criminal globalization. Full bio

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Now this is a very un-TED-likeUN TED tulad thing to do,
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but let's kicksipa off the afternoonng Hapon
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pero simulan natin ang hapong ito
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with a messagemensahe
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sa isang mensahe
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from a mysterymisteryo sponsorisponsor.
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mula sa isang misteryosong isponsor.
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AnonymousAnonymous: DearMahal FoxFox NewsBalita,
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Anonymous: Minamahal kong Fox News,
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it has come to our unfortunatesawi attentionpansin
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dumating sa aming hindi kanais-nais na atensyon
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that bothkapwa sila the namepangalan and naturekalikasan of AnonymousAnonymous
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na parehong ang pangalan at likas na katangian ng Anonymous
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has been ravagedwinasak.
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ay napinsala na.
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We are everyonelahat ng tao. We are no one.
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Kami ang lahat. Kami ang kawalan.
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We are anonymousAnonymous. We are legionkakapalan.
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Kami ang anonymous. Kami ang legion.
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We do not forgivepatawarin. We do not forgetkalimutan.
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Hindi kami marunong magpatawad. Hindi kami marunong lumimot.
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We are but the basebase of chaosganap na kaguluhan.
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Kami ang puno't dulo ng ganap na kaguluhan.
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MishaSi Misha gamit GlennyGlenny: AnonymousAnonymous, ladiesLadies and gentlemenGinoo --
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Misha Glenny: Anonymous, mga binibini at ginoo --
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a sophisticatedsopistikadong groupgrupo
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isang sopistikadong grupo
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of politicallypulitika motivatedhumikayat hackershackers
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ng mga hackers na may pulitikal na layunin
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who have emergedlumitaw ang mga in 2011.
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na nagpakilala ngayong 2011.
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And they're prettymedyo scarynakakatakot.
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At sila'y talagang nakakatakot.
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You never know when they're going to attackatake nextsusunod,
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Hindi mo alam kung kailan sila susunod na aatake,
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who or what the consequencesmga bunga will be.
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sino o ano ang magiging kahihinatnan.
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But interestinglynang kawili-wili,
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Ngunit ang nakakatuwa,
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they have a sensekahulugan of humorkatatawanan.
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sila ay may sense of humor naman.
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These guys hackedpinagtataga into FoxFox News'Balita TwitterTwitter accounttala
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Hinack nila ang Twitter account ng Fox News
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to announceibalita PresidentNi Pangulong Obama'sNi Obama assassinationpataksil na pagpatay.
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upang ibalita ang tangkang pagpatay kay Pangulong Obama.
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Now you can imagineKunwari the panicnataranta that would have generatednakabuo ng
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Ngayon maiisip mo ang takot na maaaring nalikha
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in the newsroomNewsroom at FoxFox.
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sa loob ng Fox newsroom.
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"What do we do now?
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"Ano ang gagawin natin ngayon?
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Put on a blackitim armbandarmband, or cracklamat openbuksan ang the champagnechampagne?"
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Magsuot ng itim na gasa, or magbukas nalang ng champagne?"
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(LaughterTawanan)
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(Tawanan)
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And of coursekurso, who could escapemakatakas the ironykabalintunaan
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of a membermiyembro of RupertRupert Murdoch'sNg Murdoch NewsBalita CorpCorp.
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ng miyembro ng Rupert Murdoch's News Corp.
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beingang pagiging a victimbiktima of hackingHacking for a changepagbabago.
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na naging biktima ng hacking.
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(LaughterTawanan)
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(Tawanan)
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(ApplausePalakpakan)
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SometimesKung minsan you turnmagbabalik-loob on the newsbalita
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Kung minsan tinitingnan mo ang mga balita
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and you say, "Is there anyonekahit sino left to hackHack?"
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at sinasabing, "Meron pa bang pwedeng i-hack?"
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SonySony PlaystationPlayStation NetworkNetwork -- donetapos,
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Sony Playstation Network -- tapos na,
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the governmentpamahalaan of TurkeyTurkey -- tickTik,
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ang gobyerno ng Turkey -- tsek,
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Britain'sNg Britain SeriousSeryoso OrganizedInorganisa CrimeKrimen AgencyKalayaan -- a breezesimoy ng hangin,
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Britain's Serious Organized Crime Agency -- sobrang dali,
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the CIACIA -- fallingbumabagsak off a loglog.
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the CIA -- naibagsak na.
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In factkatotohanan, a friendkaibigan of mineaking mga from the securityseguridad industryindustriya
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Sa katunayan, sinabi ng kaibigan ko mula sa larangan ng security
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told me the other day
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noong isang araw
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that there are two typesmga uri of companiesmga kumpanya in the worldmundo:
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na may dalawang uri ng kumpanya sa mundo:
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those that know they'vepo sila been hackedpinagtataga, and those that don't.
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iyong alam na sila'y na-hack, at iyong hindi.
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I mean threetatlo companiesmga kumpanya
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providingpagbibigay ng cybersecuritycybersecurity servicesmga serbisyo to the FBIFBI
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have been hackedpinagtataga.
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ay na-hack na.
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Is nothing sacredsagradong anymorekahit kailan, for heaven'sng langit sakealang-alang?
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Wala nang sinasanto ngayon, tama?
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AnywayAnuman ang mangyari, this mysteriousmahiwaga groupgrupo AnonymousAnonymous --
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Gayunpaman, itong misteryosong grupo na Anonymous --
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and they would say this themselveskanilang sarili --
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at ito mismo ang pagsasalarawan nila sa sarili --
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they are providingpagbibigay ng a servicepaglilingkod
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ay nagseserbisyo publiko
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by demonstratingpagpapamalas ng how uselesswalang silbi companiesmga kumpanya are
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sa pamamagitan ng pagpapakita ng pagka-inutil ng mga kumpanya
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at protectingpagprotekta sa our datadatos.
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But there is alsodin a very seriousseryoso aspectaspeto to AnonymousAnonymous --
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Ngunit may seryosong aspeto ang Anonymous --
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they are ideologicallyideolohiya drivenitinaboy.
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kung saan ideyolohiya ang umiiral.
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They claimpaghahabol that they are battlingnakikibaka
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Sinasabing sila'y nakikipaglaban
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a dastardlybulaos ng suso conspiracypagsasabwatan.
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They say that governmentspamahalaan are tryingsinusubukan
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to take over the InternetInternet and controlkontrol it,
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kontrolin ang Internet,
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and that they, AnonymousAnonymous,
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at sila, ang Anonymous,
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are the authentictunay voicetinig of resistancepaglaban --
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be it againstlaban sa MiddleGitnang EasternSilangang dictatorshipsdiktadura,
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sa paglaban sa diktadura ng Gitnang Silangan,
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againstlaban sa globalpandaigdigang mediamedia corporationskorporasyon,
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sa mga pang-daigdigang korporasyon sa larangan ng media,
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or againstlaban sa intelligencekatalinuhan agenciesmga ahensiya,
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o kaya'y sa mga intelligence agencies,
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or whoeverkahit sino it is.
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o maging sino pa man.
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And theirkanilang politicspulitika are not entirelyganap unattractivehindi nakaaakit.
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Okay, they're a little inchoateinchoate.
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Okay, medyo malabo na.
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There's a strongmalakas whiffsimoy
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of half-bakedHalf-baked anarchismanarkismo about them.
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kawalang pamamahala sa pangkat nila.
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But one thing is truetunay na:
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Ngunit isang bagay ang totoo:
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we are at the beginningsimula
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tayo ay nasa simula
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of a mightymakapangyarihang strugglepakikibaka
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ng matinding pakikibaka
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for controlkontrol of the InternetInternet.
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para sa kontrol ng Internet.
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The WebWeb linksmga link everything,
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Lahat ay pinagdudugtong ng Web,
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and very soonHindi nagtagal
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at di lalaon
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it will mediatepumagitna mostKaramihan humantao activityaktibidad.
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ito ang mamagitan sa halos lahat ng ating gawain.
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Because the InternetInternet has fashionedmoderno
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a newbagong and complicatedkumplikado environmentkapaligiran
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bago at komplikadong kapaligiran
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for an old-ageedad ng mga lumang dilemmamahirap na kalagayan
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para sa matandang suliranin
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that pitsmalalalim na hukay the demandshinihingi of securityseguridad
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na ibalanse ang pagnanais ng seguridad
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with the desirehangarin for freedomkalayaan.
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at pagnanasa ng kalayaan.
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Now this is a very complicatedkumplikado strugglepakikibaka.
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Ngayon ito'y napakakomplikadong laban.
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And unfortunatelysa kasamaang palad, for mortalsmortal like you and me,
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Sa kasamaang-palad, para sa mga mortal na gaya natin,
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we probablymalamang can't understandmaunawaan it very well.
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marahil hindi natin ito maiintindihang mabuti.
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NonethelessGayunman,
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in an unexpectedhindi inaasahang attackatake of hubrishubris
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sa biglang yabang ko
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a couplemag-asawa of yearstaon agoang nakalipas,
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dalawang taon na ang nakalipas,
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I decidedNagpasiya I would try and do that.
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nagpasiya akong subukan at gawin iyon.
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And I sortmga uri of get it.
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At parang nakukuha ko na.
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These were the variousiba 't ibang things that I was looking at
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Ito ang mga samu't saring bagay na aking tinitingnan
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as I was tryingsinusubukan to understandmaunawaan it.
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habang sinusubukan kong maunawaan iyon.
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But in orderkaayusan to try and explainIpaliwanag the wholebuong thing,
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Ngunit para masubukan at maipaliwanag ang buong bagay,
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I would need anotherisa pang 18 minutesminuto or so to do it,
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kailangan ko ng 18 minuto para magawa ito,
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so you're just going to have to take it on trustpagtitiwala from me on this occasionokasyon,
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at sana'y magtiwala lang kayo sa akin ngayon,
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and let me assureTiyakin sa you that all of these issuesmga isyu
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at sinisiguro ko sa inyo na lahat ng ito
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are involvedkasangkot in cybersecuritycybersecurity and controlkontrol of the InternetInternet
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ay may kinalaman sa cybersecurity at pagkontrol ng Internet
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one way or the other,
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sa isang paraan o iba pa,
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but in a configurationkumpigurasyon
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ngunit sa pagkakaayos
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that even StephenEsteban HawkingPaglalako would probablymalamang have difficultypaghihirap
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na kahit si Stephen Hawking ay mahihirapang
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tryingsinusubukan to get his headulo around.
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maintindihan.
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So there you are.
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Kaya heto ka.
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And as you see, in the middleGitnang,
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At kung nakikita mo, sa gitna,
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there is our oldLumang friendkaibigan, the hackerhacker.
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ay ang ating dakilang kaibigan, ang hacker.
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The hackerhacker is absolutelywalang pasubali centralsentral
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Ang hacker ay ganap na gitna
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to manymaraming of the politicalpampulitika, socialpanlipunan
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sa karamihan ng isyung pulitikal, panlipunan
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and economicpangkabuhayan issuesmga isyu affectingnakakaapekto sa the NetNet.
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at pang-ekonomiya na nakakaapekto sa Net.
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And so I thought to myselfaking sarili,
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At naisip ko sa sarili ko,
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"Well, these are the guys who I want to talk to."
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"Buweno, sila ang mga taong gusto kong makausap."
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And what do you know,
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At ano pa nga ba,
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nobodywalang sinumang elseiba pa does talk to the hackershackers.
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wala palang nakikipag-usap sa mga hackers.
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They're completelyganap anonymousAnonymous, as it were.
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Sila'y lubos na anonymous, tulad nito.
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So despitesa kabila ng the factkatotohanan
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Kaya sa kabila ng mga balitang
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that we are beginningsimula to pouribuhos billionsbilyun-bilyong,
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bilyun-bilyon ang binububuhos,
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hundredsdaan-daang of billionsbilyun-bilyong of dollarsdolyar,
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daan-daang bilyong dolyares,
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into cybersecuritycybersecurity --
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sa cybersecurity --
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for the mostKaramihan extraordinarypambihirang technicalteknikal solutionsmga solusyon --
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upang gumawa ng mga pambihirang solusyong teknikal --
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no one wants to talk
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walang gustong makipag-usap
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to these guys, the hackershackers,
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sa mga taong ito, sa mga hacker,
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who are doing everything.
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na nasa gitna ng lahat.
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InsteadSa halip, we prefermas gusto these really dazzlingnakasisilaw technologicalteknolohikal solutionsmga solusyon,
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whichna kung saan costgastos a hugemalaking amounthalaga of moneypera.
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at gumastos ng napakalaking halaga.
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And so nothing is going into the hackershackers.
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At kaya walang pumupunta sa mga hacker.
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Well, I say nothing,
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Gayunpaman,
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but actuallytalagang there is one teenyteeny weenyweeny little researchpananaliksik unitunit
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may isang maliit na pangkat ng mananaliksik
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in TurinTurin, ItalyItaly
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sa Turin, Italy
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calledtinatawag na the HackersHackers ProfilingProfiling ProjectProyekto.
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na tinatawag na Hackers Profiling Project.
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And they are doing some fantastichindi kapani-paniwala researchpananaliksik
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At gumagawa sila ng nakakatuwang pananaliksik
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into the characteristicsmga katangian,
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sa mga katangian,
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into the abilitiesmga kakayahan
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abilidad
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and the socializationPagsasapanlipunan of hackershackers.
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at pagsasapanlipunan ng mga hacker.
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But because they're a U.N. operationoperasyon,
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Ngunit dahil sila'y operasyon ng U.N.,
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maybe that's why governmentspamahalaan and corporationskorporasyon
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hindi pinapansin ng mga gobyerno at korporasyon
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are not that interestedinteresado in them.
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ang kanilang impormasyon.
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Because it's a U.N. operationoperasyon,
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Dahil ito'y operasyon ng U.N.,
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of coursekurso, it lackskulang sa mga fundingpagpopondo.
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siyempre, wala itong pondo.
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But I think they're doing very importantmahalagang work.
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Ngunit sa tingin ko mahalaga ang kanilang trabaho.
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Because where we have a surplussobra of technologyteknolohiya
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Dahil kung saan mayroong kalabisan ng teknolohiya
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in the cybersecuritycybersecurity industryindustriya,
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sa larangan ng cybersecurity,
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we have a definitetiyak lackkakulangan of --
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tayo ay may tiyak na kakulangan --
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call me old-fashionedmakaluma --
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tawagin mo akong makaluma --
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humantao intelligencekatalinuhan.
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sa intelligence reports.
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Now, so farmalayo I've mentionednabanggit
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the hackershackers AnonymousAnonymous
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na ang grupong Anonymous
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who are a politicallypulitika motivatedhumikayat hackingHacking groupgrupo.
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ay may layuning pulitikal.
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Of coursekurso, the criminalkriminal justicekatarungan systemsistema ng
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Siyempre, sa sistema ng hustisyang pang-krimen
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treatsang pagtrato sa them as commonkaraniwang oldLumang gardenHalamanan criminalskriminal.
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sila ay mga pangkaraniwang kriminal.
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But interestinglynang kawili-wili,
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Ngunit,
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AnonymousAnonymous does not make use of its hackedpinagtataga informationimpormasyon
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hindi ginagamit ng Anonymous ang na-hack na datos
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for financialpananalapi gainmagkaroon ng.
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upang yumaman.
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But what about the realtunay cybercriminalscybercriminals?
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Papaano naman ang mga totoong cybercriminals?
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Well realtunay organizedinorganisa crimekrimen on the InternetInternet
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Ang organisadong krimen sa Internet
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goesnapupunta back about 10 yearstaon
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ay nagsimula noong 10 taon ang nakalipas
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when a groupgrupo of giftedmay pambihirang talino UkrainianUkrainian hackershackers
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kung saan ilang Ukrainian hackers
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developednakabuo ng a websitewebsite,
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ay gumawa ng website,
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whichna kung saan led to the industrializationindustriyalisasyon
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at tuluyang pinalawig ang larangan
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of cybercrimecybercrime.
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ng cybercrime.
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WelcomeMaligayang pagdating to the now forgottennakalimutan realmsa mundo of CarderPlanetCarderPlanet.
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Maligayang pagdating sa pinaglumaang kaharian ng CarderPlanet.
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This is how they were advertisingadvertising themselveskanilang sarili
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Ganito ang pagsasalarawan nila sa sarili sa Net
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a decadesampung taon agoang nakalipas on the NetNet.
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noon isang dekada ang nakalipas.
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Now CarderPlanetCarderPlanet was very interestingkawili-wiling.
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Talaga namang nakakaaliw ang CarderPlanet.
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CybercriminalsCybercriminals would go there
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Pupunta ang mga cybercriminals doon
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to buybumili ng and sellibenta stolenninakaw creditcredit cardkard detailsmga detalye,
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upang bumili at ibenta ang mga nanakaw na credit card info,
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to exchangeExchange informationimpormasyon
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about newbagong malwaremalware that was out there.
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tungkol sa mga bagong malware.
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And rememberAlalahanin, this is a time
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when we're seeingpagtingin sa for the first time
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kung saan bagong-bago pa
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so-calledtinatawag off-the-shelfoff-the-shelf malwaremalware.
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ang mga off-the-shelf malware.
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This is readyhanda for use, out-of-the-boxlabas-ng-ang-kahon stuffmga bagay-bagay,
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Ito yung mga madaling gamitin, mga out-of-the-box,
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whichna kung saan you can deploylumawak
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na maaring gamitin
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even if you're not a terriblymasyado sophisticatedsopistikadong hackerhacker.
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kahit hindi gaanong sanay ang isang hacker.
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And so CarderPlanetCarderPlanet becameay naging a sortmga uri of supermarketsupermarket
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Kaya't naging isang malaking pamilihan ang CarderPlanet
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for cybercriminalscybercriminals.
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para sa mga cybercriminals.
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And its creatorstagalikha
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were incrediblyhindi mapaniniwalaan o kapani-paniwala smartSmart and entrepreneurialentrepreneurial,
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ay napakatalino at mala-negosyante,
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because they were facedhinarap
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with one enormousnapakalaking challengehamon as cybercriminalscybercriminals.
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sa isang hamon bilang mga cybercriminals.
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And that challengehamon is:
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At ang hamon na iyon:
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How do you do businessnegosyo,
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Paano magtatagumpay ang negosyong ito,
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how do you trustpagtitiwala
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at paano mo pagkakatiwalaan
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somebodyisang tao on the WebWeb who you want to do businessnegosyo with
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ang isang kliyente sa Web na nais makipag-negosyo
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when you know that they're a criminalkriminal?
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kung sila'y isang kriminal?
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(LaughterTawanan)
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(Tawanan)
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It's axiomaticaxiomatic that they're dodgydodgy,
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Kaakibat na siguro ang pagkatuso,
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and they're going to want to try and riprip you off.
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na maaring kang dayain ng iyong kliyente.
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So the familypamilya, as the innerpanloob coreubod of CarderPlanetCarderPlanet was knownkilala,
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camedumating up with this brilliantmakinang ideaideya
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ang isang napakahusay na ideya
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calledtinatawag na the escroweskrow systemsistema ng.
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na tinawag na sistemang escrow.
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They appointedhinirang an officeropisyal
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who would mediatepumagitna betweensa pagitan ng the vendorvendor and the purchasermamimili.
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na mamamagitan sa nagbebenta at mamimili.
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The vendorvendor, say, had stolenninakaw creditcredit cardkard detailsmga detalye;
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Halimbawa, bitbit ng nagbebenta ang nanakaw na credit card info;
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the purchasermamimili wanted to get a holdmagdaos ng of them.
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gusto ng mamimili na makuha ang mga ito.
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The purchasermamimili would sendIpadala ang mga the administrativeadministratibo officeropisyal
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Ang mamimili ay magpapadala sa opisyal
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some dollarsdolyar digitallynang digital,
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ng ilang dolyares sa paraang digital,
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and the vendorvendor would sellibenta the stolenninakaw creditcredit cardkard detailsmga detalye.
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at ibibigay ng nagbebenta ang mga detalye.
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And the officeropisyal would then verifyAlamin kung
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if the stolenninakaw creditcredit cardkard workednagtrabaho.
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kung gumagana ang nakaw na credit card.
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And if they did,
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Kapag gumagana nga,
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he then passedlumipas ang on the moneypera to the vendorvendor
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ibibigay na niya ang pera sa nagbebenta
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and the stolenninakaw creditcredit cardkard detailsmga detalye to the purchasermamimili.
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at ang credit card info sa mamimili.
08:57
And it was this
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Ang sistemang ito mismo
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whichna kung saan completelyganap revolutionizedbinago cybercrimecybercrime on the WebWeb.
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ang ganap na nagpabago sa cybercrime sa Web.
09:04
And after that, it just wentnagpunta wildligaw.
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Pagkatapos noon, lalo na itong lumaganap.
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We had a champagnechampagne decadesampung taon
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for people who we know as CardersCarders.
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ang mga tauhan ng Carders.
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Now I spokenagsalita to one of these CardersCarders
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Nakipag-usap ako sa isa sa mga Carders
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who we'llkukunin namin call RedBrigadeRedBrigade --
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na tatawagin nating RedBrigade --
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althoughBagama 't that wasn'thindi even his properwastong nicknamepalayaw --
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kahit na hindi iyon ang kanyang totoong palayaw --
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but I promisedNangako I wouldn'thindi revealihayag who he was.
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dahil naipangako kong hindi ko siya ibubunyag.
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And he explainedIpinaliwanag to me how in 2003 and 2004
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At ipinaliwanag niya sa akin na noong 2003 at 2004
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he would go on spreessprees in NewBagong YorkYork,
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pupunta lang siya sa New York,
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takingpagkuha ng out $10,000 from an ATMATM here,
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kukuha ng $10,000 sa isang ATM dito,
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$30,000 from an ATMATM there,
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$30,000 sa isang ATM doon,
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usinggamit ang clonedcloned creditcredit cardscard.
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gamit ang mga cloned credit cards.
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He was makingpaggawa ng, on averageaverage na a weekLinggo,
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Sa isang linggo, humigit-kumulang
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$150,000 --
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$150,000 --
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taxbuwis freeLibreng of coursekurso.
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na walang tax!
09:42
And he said
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that he had so much moneypera
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sa sobrang dami ng pera
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stashedstashed in his upper-Eastitaas-silangan sidemga bahagi apartmentapartment at one pointpunto
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na nakatago sa kanyang apartment sa upper-East side
09:49
that he just didn't know what to do with it
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ay dumating ang pagkakataong wala na siyang pagkakagastusan
09:51
and actuallytalagang fellnahulog into a depressiondepresyon.
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at dumaan sa matinding pagkalungkot.
09:53
But that's a slightlybahagyang differentiba 't ibang storykuwento,
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Ngunit ibang kwento na iyon,
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whichna kung saan I won'thindi go into now.
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at hindi ko muna ikukwento sa inyo.
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Now the interestingkawili-wiling thing about RedBrigadeRedBrigade
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Ang totoo niyan, si RedBrigade
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is that he wasn'thindi an advancedadvanced na hackerhacker.
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ay hindi naman ang pinakamagaling na hacker.
10:02
He sortmga uri of understoodnaunawaan the technologyteknolohiya,
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Naiintindihan niya ang teknolohiya,
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and he realizedNatanto that securityseguridad was very importantmahalagang
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at batid na mahalaga ang paniniguro
10:07
if you were going to be a CarderCarder,
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kung ikaw magiging isang Carder,
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but he didn't spendgastusin his daysaraw and nightsgabi
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ngunit hindi niya ginugol ang bawat araw at gabi
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bentbaluktot over a computerkompyuter, eatingpagkain pizzapizza,
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sa harap ng kompyuter, kumakain ng pizza,
10:14
drinkingpag-inom ng alak cokekouk and that sortmga uri of thing.
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umiinom ng coke, at iba pa.
10:16
He was out there on the townbayan
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Ang totoo, madalas siyang lumabas
10:18
havingang pagkakaroon ng a fabMukhang mahusay time enjoyingtinatangkilik the highmataas life.
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at nagsasaya sa tinuturing niyang rurok ng tagumpay.
10:20
And this is because
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Ito ay dahil
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hackershackers are only one elementelemento
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ang mga hacker ay isang elemento lamang
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in a cybercriminalcybercriminal enterprisena negosyo.
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sa negosyong cybercrime.
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And oftenmadalas they're the mostKaramihan vulnerablemadaling matukso elementelemento of all.
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Madalas, sila ang pinakamarupok na elemento sa lahat.
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And I want to explainIpaliwanag this to you
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Gusto kong ipaliwanag ito
10:36
by introducingpagpapakilala sa you to sixanim na charactersmga character
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gamit ang anim na tauhan
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who I metnakilala
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na nakilala ko
10:40
while I was doing this researchpananaliksik.
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habang nananaliksik pa ako.
10:43
DimitryDimitry GolubovGolubov, akaaka SCRIPTISKRIP --
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Dimitry Golubov, alyas SCRIPT --
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bornIsinilang in OdessaOdessa, UkraineUkraine in 1982.
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ipinanganak sa Odessa, Ukraine noong 1982.
10:49
Now he developednakabuo ng his socialpanlipunan and moralmoralidad compasskompas
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Natuto siya sa mga isyung panlipunan at moral
10:52
on the BlackItim SeaDagat portport duringsa panahon ng the 1990s.
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sa daungan ng Black Sea noong 1990s.
10:55
This was a sink-or-swimlababo o paglangoy environmentkapaligiran
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Iyon ay isang malupit na kapaligiran
10:58
where involvementpaglahok in criminalkriminal or corruptsira activitiesaktibidad
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at ang paglahok sa kriminal na gawain
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was entirelyganap necessarykinakailangan
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ay hindi maiiwasan
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if you wanted to survivemabuhay.
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kung gusto mong mabuhay ng matagal.
11:06
As an accomplishednaisakatuparan computerkompyuter usergumagamit,
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Bilang mahusay sa paggamit ng kompyuter,
11:08
what DimitryDimitry did
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ginaya ni Dimitry
11:10
was to transferpaglilipat the gangstergangster capitalismkapitalismo of his hometownbayang sinilangan
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ang kapitalismo ng gangster ng ​​kanyang bayan
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ontopapunta sa the WorldwidePandaigdigang WebWeb.
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at pinagpatuloy sa Worldwide Web.
11:16
And he did a great jobtrabaho in it.
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At napakahusay niya dito.
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You have to understandmaunawaan thoughBagaman
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Alalahanin mong
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that from his ninthsiyam birthdaykaarawan,
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pagsapit ng kanyang ika-9 na kaarawan,
11:22
the only environmentkapaligiran he knewAlam
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ang tanging lipunan na alam niya
11:24
was gangsterismpanunulisan.
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ay gangsterism.
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He knewAlam no other way of makingpaggawa ng a livingpamumuhay
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Para sa kanya, walang ibang paraan
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and makingpaggawa ng moneypera.
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upang mabuhay at magkapera.
11:30
Then we have RenukanthRenukanth SubramaniamSubramaniam,
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Andyan si Renukanth Subramaniam,
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akaaka JiLsiJiLsi --
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alyas JiLsi --
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foundertagapagtatag of DarkMarketDarkMarket,
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tagapagtatag ng DarkMarket,
11:36
bornIsinilang in ColomboColombo, SriSri LankaLanka.
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ipinanganak sa Colombo, Sri Lanka.
11:38
As an eightwalong year-oldtaong gulang,
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Noong walong taong gulang siya,
11:40
he and his parentsmga magulang fledtumakas the SriSri LankanLankan capitalkabisera
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lumisan ang kanyang mga magulang mula sa Colombo
11:42
because SinghaleseSinghalese mobsmandurumog were roamingroaming the citylungsod,
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dahil sa mga Singhalese na nagkalat sa siyudad,
11:45
looking for TamilsTamils like RenuRenu to murderpagpatay.
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at hinahanap ang mga Tamil gaya ni Renu upang patayin.
11:48
At 11, he was interrogatedItinanong by the SriSri LankanLankan militarymilitar,
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Sa edad na 11, siya ay siniyasat ng mga kawal ng Sri Lanka,
11:50
accusedinakusahan of beingang pagiging a terroristterorista,
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inakusahan ng pagiging terorista,
11:52
and his parentsmga magulang sentnagpadala ng him on his ownsariling to BritainBritain
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kaya't pinadala siya ng kanyang mga magulang sa Britanya
11:56
as a refugeerefugee seekingnaghahanap ng politicalpampulitika asylumpagpapakupkop laban.
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bilang isang refugee na naghahanap ng political asylum.
11:59
At 13,
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Sa edad na 13,
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with only little EnglishIngles and beingang pagiging bulliedbiktima ng mga panloloko at schoolpaaralan,
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at dahil kaunti lamang ang alam sa wikang Ingles at inaapi pa sa paaralan,
12:04
he escapednakatakas into a worldmundo of computersmga computer
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naging kanlungan niya ang mundo ng kompyuter
12:07
where he showednagpakita ng great technicalteknikal abilitykakayahan,
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at nagpalamas ng husay at abilidad,
12:09
but he was soonHindi nagtagal beingang pagiging seducedseduced
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ngunit di kalaunan siya ay naakit
12:12
by people on the InternetInternet.
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ng mga masasamang tao sa Internet.
12:14
He was convictednapatunayang nagkasala of mortgagemortgage and creditcredit cardkard fraudpandaraya,
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Siya ay nahatulan ng pagsasangla at pandaraya ng credit cards,
12:17
and he will be releasedinilabas from WormwoodWormwood ScrubsScrubs jailpiitan in LondonLondon
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at makakalaya na siya mula Wormwood Scrubs jail sa London
12:20
in 2012.
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sa 2012.
12:22
MatrixMatrix001,
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Matrix001,
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who was an administratortagapangasiwa ng at DarkMarketDarkMarket.
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na isang tagapamahala sa DarkMarket.
12:29
BornIsinilang in SouthernKatimugang GermanyGermany
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Ipinanganak sa katimugang Alemanya
12:31
to a stablesabsaban and well-respectedrespetadong middleGitnang classklase familypamilya,
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sa isang respetadong pamilyang middle-class,
12:33
his obsessionobsesyon with gamingsugal as a teenagertinedyer
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at ang pagkahumaling sa gaming noong siya'y binata pa
12:36
led him to hackingHacking.
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ay humantong sa hacking.
12:38
And he was soonHindi nagtagal controllingpagkontrol hugemalaking serversserver around the worldmundo
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Di nagtagal, hawak na niya ang malalaking servers sa iba't ibang panig ng mundo
12:42
where he storednakatago his gamesmga laro
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na naglalaman ng mga laro
12:44
that he had crackedmay lamat and piratedpirated.
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na kanyang na-crack at pinirata.
12:46
His slideslide into criminalitykriminalidad
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Ang pagkalulong sa krimen
12:48
was incrementalunti-unting.
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ay lumala.
12:50
And when he finallysa wakas wokenagising up to his situationsitwasyon
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Ngunit noong nagising siya sa katotohanan
12:53
and understoodnaunawaan the implicationsimplikasyon,
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at lubos nang naintindihan ang mga bagay-bagay,
12:55
he was alreadyna in too deepmalalim.
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naging huli na ang lahat.
12:58
MaxMax VisionPangitain, akaaka ICEMANMAGYEYELO --
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Max Vision, alyas ICEMAN --
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mastermindmalaking katalinuhan of cardersMarketcardersMarket.
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ang utak ng cardersMarket.
13:02
BornIsinilang in MeridianMeridian, IdahoIdaho.
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Ipinanganak sa Meridian, Idaho.
13:04
MaxMax VisionPangitain was one of the bestpinakamahusay penetrationbaon testersTester
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Isa si Max Vision sa mga pinakamagaling na penetration tester
13:08
workingnagtatrabaho out of SantaSanta ClaraClara, CaliforniaCalifornia
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na nagtratrabaho sa Santa Clara, California
13:11
in the latehuli ang lahat 90s for privatepribadong companiesmga kumpanya
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noong 90s para sa mga pribadong kumpanya
13:13
and voluntarilykusang for the FBIFBI.
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at nag-volunteer sa FBI.
13:16
Now in the latehuli ang lahat 1990s,
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Noong pagtatapos ng 1990s,
13:18
he discoverednatuklasan a vulnerabilitykahinaan
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nadiskubre niya ang isang butas
13:20
on all U.S. governmentpamahalaan networksmga network,
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sa mga network ng pamahalaan ng U.S.,
13:23
and he wentnagpunta in and patchedpatched it up --
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at inayos niya ito agad --
13:25
because this includedkabilang sa nuclearnukleyar researchpananaliksik facilitiesmga pasilidad --
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dahil sakop nito ang mga kagamitang nuclear --
13:29
sparingmangagpapatawad the AmericanAmerikano governmentpamahalaan
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at naiwasan ng gobyerno ng Amerika
13:31
a hugemalaking securityseguridad embarrassmenthiya.
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ang isang malaking kahihiyan.
13:33
But alsodin, because he was an inveteratepusakal hackerhacker,
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Ngunit, dahil sa kanyang ugaling hacker,
13:36
he left a tinymaliit na maliit digitaldigital wormholewormhole
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nag-iwan siya ng digital wormhole
13:38
throughsa pamamagitan ng whichna kung saan he alonenag-iisa could crawlcrawl.
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na siya lamang ang makakalusot.
13:40
But this was spottednabahiran by an eagle-eyeagila-mata investigatorinvestigator,
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Sa kasamaang palad, natuklasan ito ng isang imbestigador,
13:43
and he was convictednapatunayang nagkasala.
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at siya ay nahatulan ng pagkakakulong.
13:45
At his openbuksan ang prisonbilangguan,
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Sa kanyang pagkakabilanggo,
13:47
he camedumating undersa ilalim ng the influenceimpluwensya of financialpananalapi fraudstersfraudsters,
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siya ay nilapitan ng mga nais mandaya,
13:49
and those financialpananalapi fraudstersfraudsters
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at hinimok siya ng mga financial fraudsters
13:51
persuadedhikayat him to work for them
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na makipag-ugnayan
13:53
on his releasepakawalan.
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kapag lumaya na siya.
13:55
And this man with a planetary-sizedpamplaneta ang laki brainutak
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Kaya't ang taong ito, kahit na sobrang talino,
13:58
is now servingpaglilingkod a 13-year-taon sentencepangungusap
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ay nakakulong ngayon sa sentensiyang 13-taon
14:00
in CaliforniaCalifornia.
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sa California.
14:02
AdewaleAdewale TaiwoTaiwo, akaaka FeddyBBFeddyBB --
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Adewale Taiwo, alyas FeddyBB --
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mastermaster bankbangko accounttala crackerkraker
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master bank account cracker
14:07
from AbujaAbuja in NigeriaNigeria.
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mula sa Abuja sa Nigeria.
14:10
He setMagtakda ng mga up his prosaicallyprosaically entitledmay karapatan newsgrouppangkat-balitaan,
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Itinatag niya ang walang pasakalyeng newsgroup,
14:13
bankfraudsbankfrauds@yahooYahoo.coCo.ukUnited Kingdom
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bankfrauds@yahoo.co.uk
14:18
before arrivingpagdating nila in BritainBritain
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bago dumating sa Britanya
14:20
in 2005
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noong 2005
14:22
to take a MastersMasters in chemicalkemikal engineeringengineering
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upang kumuha ng Masters sa chemical engineering
14:24
at ManchesterManchester UniversityUnibersidad.
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sa Pamantasaan ng Manchester.
14:26
He impressedhinangaan in the privatepribadong sectorsektor,
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Pinahanga niya ang pribadong sektor,
14:29
developingpagkakaroon ng chemicalkemikal applicationsmga aplikasyon for the oillangis industryindustriya
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lumikha ng mga teknolohiyang pangkemikal para sa industriya ng langis
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while simultaneouslyKasabay nito runningtumatakbo
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habang pinapatakbo
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a worldwidepandaigdigang bankbangko and creditcredit cardkard fraudpandaraya operationoperasyon that was worthsulit millionsmilyun-milyong
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ang pandaigdigang operasyon ng bank at credit card fraud na nagkakahalaga ng milyon-milyon
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untilhanggang sa his arrestaresto in 2008.
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hanggang siya'y maaresto noong 2008.
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And then finallysa wakas, CagatayCagatay EvyapanEvyapan,
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At si Cagatay Evyapan,
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akaaka ChaCha0 --
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alyas Cha0 --
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one of the mostKaramihan remarkablepambihirang hackershackers ever,
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isa sa mga pinakakahanga-hangang hacker,
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from AnkaraAnkara in TurkeyTurkey.
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mula sa Ankara sa Turkey.
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He combinedpinagsama the tremendousnapakalaking skillsmga kasanayan sa of a geekgeek
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Abilidad niya ang pinagsamang geek
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with the suavesuave socialpanlipunan engineeringengineering skillsmga kasanayan sa
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at swabeng pakikipag-ugnayan na tatak ng
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of the mastermaster criminalkriminal.
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isang master criminal.
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One of the smartestsmartest people I've ever metnakilala.
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Isa siya sa mga pinakamatalinong taong nakilala ko.
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He alsodin had the mostKaramihan effectiveepektibong
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Nilikha din niya ang pinaka-epektibong
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virtualvirtual privatepribadong networknetwork securityseguridad arrangementpagkakaayos
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virtual private network security arrangement
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the policepulis have ever encounterednakasalubong
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ayon sa mga pulis, kung ikukumpara
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amongstsa gitna globalpandaigdigang cybercriminalscybercriminals.
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sa lahat ng mga cybercriminals.
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Now the importantmahalagang thing
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Ang mahalagang bagay
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about all of these people
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tungkol sa mga taong ito
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is they sharemagbahagi certainilang characteristicsmga katangian
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ay ang iilang katangiang bitbit nila
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despitesa kabila ng the factkatotohanan that they come from very differentiba 't ibang environmentsmga kapaligiran.
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kahit na sila'y nagmula sa iba't-ibang karanasan.
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They are all people who learnednatutuhan theirkanilang hackingHacking skillsmga kasanayan sa
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Natuto silang mag-hack noong
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in theirkanilang earlynang maaga to mid-teenstinedyer.
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kabataan nila.
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They are all people
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Sila ay may
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who demonstrateipakita ang advancedadvanced na abilitykakayahan
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pambihirang abilidad
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in mathsmatematika and the sciencesagham.
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sa matematika at agham.
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RememberAlalahanin that, when they developednakabuo ng those hackingHacking skillsmga kasanayan sa,
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Mapapansing naging mahusay sila sa hacking
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theirkanilang moralmoralidad compasskompas had not yetpa developednakabuo ng.
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noong hindi pa ganap ang kanilang paninindigang moral.
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And mostKaramihan of them, with the exceptionTaliwas of SCRIPTISKRIP and ChaCha0,
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At karamihan sa kanila, except kay SCRIPT at Cha0,
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they did not demonstrateipakita ang
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ay walang ganap na kakayahang
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any realtunay socialpanlipunan skillsmga kasanayan sa in the outsidelabas worldmundo --
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makihalubilo sa tunay na mundo --
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only on the WebWeb.
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tanging sa Web lamang.
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And the other thing is
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At kapansin-pansin na
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the highmataas incidencesaklaw of hackershackers like these
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ang mga katangian ng hackers ay
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who have characteristicsmga katangian whichna kung saan are consistentpalagian
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mga katangian ng mga taong may
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with Asperger'sAsperger's syndromesyndrome.
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Asperger's syndrome.
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Now I discussedTinalakay this
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Itinanong ko ito
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with ProfessorPropesor SimonSimon Baron-CohenAng Caribbean-Cohen
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kay Propesor Simon Baron-Cohen
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who'sSino ang the professorpropesor of developmentalpag-unlad psychopathologyPagsuri sa psychopathology at CambridgeCambridge.
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na dalubhasa sa developmental psychopathology sa Cambridge.
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And he has donetapos path-breakinglandas ng tablang work on autismautism
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Ginawa niya ang ilang panibagong pag-aaral sa autism
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and confirmednakumpirma, alsodin for the authoritiesawtoridad here,
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at pinatunayan
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that GaryGary McKinnonMcKinnon --
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na si Gary McKinnon --
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who is wanted by the UnitedNagkakaisa StatesUnidos
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na pinaghahanap ng Estado Unidos
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for hackingHacking into the PentagonPentagon --
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dahil sa pag-hack sa Pentagon --
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suffersay nagdurusa from Asperger'sAsperger's
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ay may Asperger's
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and a secondarypangalawang conditionkalagayan
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at nakakaranas ng
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of depressiondepresyon.
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ng matinding kalungkutan.
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And Baron-CohenAng Caribbean-Cohen explainedIpinaliwanag
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Ipinaliwanag ni Baron-Cohen
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that certainilang disabilitieskapansanan
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na ang kanilang kapansanan
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can manifestmagpapakita ng themselveskanilang sarili in the hackingHacking and computingpaggamit ng computer worldmundo
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ay pinupunan ng husay sa hacking at paggamit ng kompyuter
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as tremendousnapakalaking skillsmga kasanayan sa,
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bilang kapalit,
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and that we should not be throwingpagkahagis ng in jailpiitan
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at hindi makatarugan na agad nating ipakulong
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people who have suchgayong disabilitieskapansanan and skillsmga kasanayan sa
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ang mga taong ito na may kakaibang kapansanan at kakayahan
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because they have lostnawala theirkanilang way sociallypakikisalamuha sa mga tao
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dahil wala silang kakayahang makihalubilo
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or been dupedduped.
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o di kaya'y nadaya lang.
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Now I think we're missingnawawala a tricklokohin here,
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Tingin ko'y isang malaking oportunidad ito,
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because I don't think people like MaxMax VisionPangitain should be in jailpiitan.
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dahil tingin ko hindi bagay sa kulungan ang mga taong gaya ni Max Vision.
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And let me be bluntpulpol about this.
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At magiging pranka ako.
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In ChinaChina, in RussiaRussia and in loadsNaglo-load of other countriesmga bansa
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Sa Tsina, sa Russia at iba pang bansa
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that are developingpagkakaroon ng cyber-offensivecyber-opensiba capabilitiesmga kakayahan,
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na nagpapayabong ng kakayahang cyber-offensive,
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this is exactlyeksakto what they are doing.
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ito ang kanilang ginagawa.
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They are recruitingpag-recruit hackershackers
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Kinukuha na nila agad ang mga hacker
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bothkapwa sila before and after they becomemaging involvedkasangkot
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bago pa man o pagkatapos nilang masangkot
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in criminalkriminal and industrialpang-industriya espionageespionage activitiesaktibidad --
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sa gawaing kriminal at espionage --
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are mobilizingpagpapakilos them
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at pinapakilos
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on behalfngalan of the stateestado.
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sa ikakabuti ng estado.
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We need to engageumaakit
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Kailangan nating kumasundo
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and find waysparaan of offeringnag-aalok ng guidancepatnubay
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at magbigay patnubay
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to these youngkabataang people,
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sa mga kabataang ito,
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because they are a remarkablepambihirang breedlahi.
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dahil sila'y katangi-tangi.
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And if we relyumasa, as we do at the momentilang sandali,
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At kung tayo ay aasa, tulad ngayon,
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solelylamang on the criminalkriminal justicekatarungan systemsistema ng
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sa sistema ng criminal justice
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and the threatbanta of punitivepagpaparusa sentencesmga pangungusap,
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at mga malalambot na parusa,
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we will be nurturingpangangalaga sa a monsterhalimaw we cannothindi tamePAAMUIN.
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maaring lumaki pa ang halimaw at mahirap nang mapaamo.
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Thank you very much for listeningpakikinig.
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Maraming salamat sa pakikinig.
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(ApplausePalakpakan)
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(Palakpakan)
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ChrisChris AndersonAnderson: So your ideaideya worthsulit spreadingpagkalat
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Chris Anderson: Ang ideya mo
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is hireupa hackershackers.
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ay ang bigyang trabaho ang mga hackers.
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How would someoneisang tao get over that kinduri of feartakot
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Hindi ba't andun ang pangamba
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that the hackerhacker they hireupa
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na ang mga kukunin nating hackers
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mightmaaaring preservepangalagaan ang that little teensyteensy wormholewormhole?
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ay maglalagay din ng wormhole?
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MGMG: I think to an extentlawak,
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MG: Sa tingin ko,
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you have to understandmaunawaan
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kailangan nating unawain
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that it's axiomaticaxiomatic amongsa hackershackers that they do that.
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na ugali na ng mga hackers ang ganyan.
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They're just relentlesswalang humpay and obsessivepagkahumaling
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Wala silang sinasanto at obsessed
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about what they do.
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sa kanilang ginagawa.
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But all of the people who I've spokennagsalita to
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Ngunit ayon sa mga taong kinausap ko
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who have fallenbumagsak foulfoul of the lawbatas,
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na nagkasala sa batas,
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they have all said, "Please, please give us a chancepagkakataon
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ang sabi nila, "Pakiusap, bigyan niyo kami ng pagkakataon
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to work in the legitimatelehitimong industryindustriya.
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na makapagtrabaho sa isang legal na industriya.
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We just never knewAlam how to get there, what we were doing.
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Hindi nga lang namin alam kung papaano.
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We want to work with you."
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Gusto naming makipagtrabaho sa inyo."
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ChrisChris AndersonAnderson: Okay, well that makesgumagawa ng sensekahulugan. ThanksSalamat a lot MishaSi Misha gamit.
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Chris Anderson: Kung sabagay tama ka. Maraming salamat Misha.
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(ApplausePalakpakan)
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(Palakpakan)
Translated by Polimar Balatbat
Reviewed by Schubert Malbas

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ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Misha Glenny - Underworld investigator
Journalist Misha Glenny leaves no stone unturned (and no failed state unexamined) in his excavation of criminal globalization.

Why you should listen

In minute detail, Misha Glenny's 2008 book McMafia illuminates the byzantine outlines of global organized crime. Whether it's pot smugglers in British Columbia, oil/weapons/people traffickers in Eastern Europe, Japanese yakuza or Nigerian scammers, to research this magisterial work Glenny penetrated the convoluted, globalized and franchised modern underworld -- often at considerable personal risk.

The book that resulted is an exhaustive look at an unseen industry that Glenny believes may account for 15% of the world's GDP.

Legal society ignores this world at its peril, but Glenny suggests that conventional law enforcement might not be able to combat a problem whose roots lie in global instability.

While covering the Central Europe beat for the Guardian and the BBC, Glenny wrote several acclaimed books on the fall of Yugoslavia and the rise of the Balkan nations. He's researching a new book on cybercrime, of which he says: "The key to cybercrime is what we call social engineering. Or to use the technical term for it, there's one born every minute."

Watch TED's exclusive video Q&A with Glenny: "Behind the Scenes of McMafia" >>

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