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Barat Ali Batoor: My desperate journey with a human smuggler
Barat Ali Batoor: Moje očajničko putovanje s krijumčarima ljudi
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Foto-novinar Barat Ali Batoor je živio u Afganistanu -- dok ga njegov riskantan posao nije prisilio da napusti zemlju. Ali Batooru, članu raseljene etničke skupine pod imenom Hazari, povratak u dom u Pakistanu se pokazao jednako tako opasnim. A pronalazak sigurnijeg mjesta za život nije bio tako jednostavan kao kupnja avionske karte. Umjesto toga, bio je prisiljen platiti krijumčarima ljudi i pridružiti se skupini azilanata koji su tražili spas na po život opasnom putovanju brodom. Dokumentirao je to užasno putovanje snažnim fotografijama.
Barat Ali Batoor - Photojournalist
Barat Ali Batoor, an award-winning photojournalist, is a member of the Hazara people. He is based in Australia. Full bio
Barat Ali Batoor, an award-winning photojournalist, is a member of the Hazara people. He is based in Australia. Full bio
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00:12
I am a Hazara,
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Ja sam Hazar
00:14
and the homeland
of my people is Afghanistan.
of my people is Afghanistan.
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i domovina mog naroda
je Afganistan.
je Afganistan.
00:19
Like hundreds of thousands
of other Hazara kids,
of other Hazara kids,
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Kao i stotine tisuća
druge Hazar djece,
druge Hazar djece,
00:22
I was born in exile.
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rođen sam u prognanstvu.
00:25
The ongoing persecution
and operation against the Hazaras
and operation against the Hazaras
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Kontinuirani progon i djelovanje
protiv Hazara
protiv Hazara
00:29
forced my parents to leave Afghanistan.
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prislili su moje roditelje da
napuste Afganistan.
napuste Afganistan.
00:33
This persecution has had a long history
going back to the late 1800s,
going back to the late 1800s,
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Taj progon ima dugačku povijest
koja seže do 1800-ih,
koja seže do 1800-ih,
00:38
and the rule of King Abdur Rahman.
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i vladavine kralja Abdur Rahmana.
00:41
He killed 63 percent of
the Hazara population.
the Hazara population.
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On je ubio 63 posto hazarskog
stanovništva.
stanovništva.
00:46
He built minarets with their heads.
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On je gradio minarete njihovim rukama.
00:49
Many Hazaras were sold into slavery,
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Mnogi Hazari su prodani u roblje,
00:51
and many others fled the country
for neighboring Iran and Pakistan.
for neighboring Iran and Pakistan.
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a mnogi drugi su prebjegli u susjedne
zemlje, Iran i Pakistan.
zemlje, Iran i Pakistan.
Moji roditelji su također prebjegli
u Pakistan,
u Pakistan,
00:58
My parents also fled to Pakistan,
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01:00
and settled in Quetta, where I was born.
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i nastanili se u Quetti,
gdje sam i ja rođen.
gdje sam i ja rođen.
Nakon 11. rujna i napada na
Blizance,
Blizance,
01:03
After the September 11
attack on the Twin Towers,
attack on the Twin Towers,
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01:06
I got a chance to go to Afghanistan
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imao sam priliku otići u Afganistan
01:08
for the first time,
with foreign journalists.
with foreign journalists.
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prvi puta, sa stranim novinarima.
01:11
I was only 18, and I got a job
working as an interpreter.
working as an interpreter.
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Imao sam samo 18 i dobio sam posao
prevoditelja.
prevoditelja.
01:15
After four years,
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Nakon četiri godine,
01:17
I felt it was safe enough
to move to Afghanistan permanently,
to move to Afghanistan permanently,
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osjećao sam se dovoljno sigurno
da se stalno preselim u Afganistan,
da se stalno preselim u Afganistan,
01:21
and I was working there
as a documentary photographer,
as a documentary photographer,
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i tamo sam radio
kao dokumentarni fotograf,
kao dokumentarni fotograf,
01:26
and I worked on many stories.
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i radio sam na puno priča.
01:30
One of the most important
stories that I did
stories that I did
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Jedna od najvažnijih priča koje sam
napravio
napravio
01:33
was the dancing boys of Afghanistan.
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bila je o plešućim dječacima Afganistana.
To je grozna priča o
užasnoj tradiciji.
užasnoj tradiciji.
01:38
It is a tragic story about
an appalling tradition.
an appalling tradition.
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01:42
It involves young kids
dancing for warlords
dancing for warlords
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Uključuje mladu djecu
koja plešu za gospodare rata
koja plešu za gospodare rata
01:46
and powerful men in the society.
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i moćne ljude u društvu.
01:48
These boys are often abducted
or bought from their poor parents,
or bought from their poor parents,
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Ti dječaci su često oteti ili
kupljeni od svojih siromašnih roditelja,
kupljeni od svojih siromašnih roditelja,
01:51
and they are put to work as sex slaves.
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i stvaljeni da rade kao seksualni robovi.
01:54
This is Shukur.
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Ovo je Shukur.
01:57
He was kidnapped from Kabul by a warlord.
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On je otet u Kabulu od strane
gospodara rata.
gospodara rata.
Odveden je u drugu provinciju,
02:01
He was taken to another province,
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02:03
where he was forced to work as a sex slave
for the warlord and his friends.
for the warlord and his friends.
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gdje je prisiljen raditi kao seksualni rob
za gospodara rata i njegove prijatelje.
za gospodara rata i njegove prijatelje.
02:08
When this story was published
in the Washington Post,
in the Washington Post,
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Kada je ta priča objavljena u
Washinston Postu,
Washinston Postu,
počeo sam dobivati smrtne prijetnje,
02:11
I started receiving death threats,
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02:13
and I was forced to leave Afghanistan,
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i bio sam prisiljen napustiti Afganistan,
02:17
as my parents were.
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kao i moji roditelji.
02:19
Along with my family,
I returned back to Quetta.
I returned back to Quetta.
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Zajedno s mojom obitelji
vratio sam se u Quettu.
vratio sam se u Quettu.
02:23
The situation in Quetta had changed
dramatically since I left in 2005.
dramatically since I left in 2005.
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Situacija u Quetti se dramatično
promijenila nakon što sam je napustio 2005.
promijenila nakon što sam je napustio 2005.
02:27
Once a peaceful haven for the Hazaras,
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Jednom mirno mjesto za Hazare,
02:30
it had now turned into the most
dangerous city in Pakistan.
dangerous city in Pakistan.
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se pretvorilo u jedan od
najopasnijih gradova u Pakistanu.
najopasnijih gradova u Pakistanu.
02:35
Hazaras are confined into two small areas,
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Hazari su ograničeni na dva mala područja,
02:39
and they are marginalized socially,
educationally, and financially.
educationally, and financially.
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i marginalizirani su društveno,
obrazovno i kažnjavaju se.
obrazovno i kažnjavaju se.
02:44
This is Nadir.
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Ovo je Nadir.
02:45
I had known him since my childhood.
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Znao sam ga od svog djetinjstva.
02:47
He was injured when his van
was ambushed by terrorists in Quetta.
was ambushed by terrorists in Quetta.
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Ranjen je kada je jegov kombi napadnut
od terorista u Quetti.
od terorista u Quetti.
02:51
He later died of his injuries.
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Kasnije je umro od zadobivenih ozljeda.
02:55
Around 1,600 Hazara members
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Oko 1.600 Hazara
02:59
had been killed in various attacks,
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je ubijeno u raznim napadima,
03:02
and around 3,000 of them were injured,
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i oko 3.000 je ranjeno,
03:07
and many of them permanently disabled.
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a mnogi od njih su trajno onesposobljeni.
03:10
The attacks on the Hazara community
would only get worse,
would only get worse,
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Napadi na Hazar zajednicu će se
samo pogoršati,
samo pogoršati,
03:14
so it was not surprising
that many wanted to flee.
that many wanted to flee.
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tako da ne začuđuje da žele pobjeći.
03:16
After Afghanistan, Iran, Pakistan,
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Nakon Afganistana, Irana, Pakistana,
03:21
Australia is home to the fourth largest
population of Hazaras in the world.
population of Hazaras in the world.
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Australija je dom četvrte najveće
populacije Hazara na svijetu.
populacije Hazara na svijetu.
03:28
When it came time to leave Pakistan,
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Kada je došlo vrijeme da se napusti
Pakistan,
Pakistan,
03:31
Australia seemed the obvious choice.
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Australija se činila očitim izborom.
03:33
Financially, only one of us could leave,
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Financijski, samo je jedno
od nas moglo otići,
od nas moglo otići,
03:35
and it was decided that I would go,
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i odlučeno je da ja idem,
03:36
in the hope that if I arrived
at my destination safely,
at my destination safely,
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u nadi da ako ja stignem na svoje
odredište sigurno,
odredište sigurno,
03:40
I could work to get the rest
of my family to join me later.
of my family to join me later.
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ja bih mogao zaraditi da
mi se cijela obitelj pridruži.
mi se cijela obitelj pridruži.
Svi smo znali za rizike,
03:45
We all knew about the risks,
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03:46
and how terrifying the journey is,
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i koliko je zastrašujuće to
putovanje,
putovanje,
03:49
and I met many people
who lost loved ones at sea.
who lost loved ones at sea.
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i sreo sam puno ljudi koji su
izgubili svoje voljene u moru.
izgubili svoje voljene u moru.
03:54
It was a desperate decision to take,
to leave everything behind,
to leave everything behind,
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To je bila očajnička odluka,
ostaviti sve iza sebe,
ostaviti sve iza sebe,
03:58
and no one makes this decision easily.
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i nitko ne donosi
takve odluke jednostavno.
takve odluke jednostavno.
Da sam bio u mogućnosti
jednostavno odletjeti u Australiju,
jednostavno odletjeti u Australiju,
04:01
If I had been able
to simply fly to Australia,
to simply fly to Australia,
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04:03
it would have taken me
less than 24 hours.
less than 24 hours.
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to bi oduzelo manje od
24 sata.
24 sata.
04:06
But getting a visa was impossible.
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Ali dobiti vizu je nemoguće.
Moje putovanje je bilo bitno duže,
04:10
My journey was much longer,
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04:12
much more complicated,
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bitno složenije,
04:14
and certainly more dangerous,
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i svakako opasnije,
04:17
traveling to Thailand by air,
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putujući avionom u Tajland,
04:20
and then by road and boat
to Malaysia and into Indonesia,
to Malaysia and into Indonesia,
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i onda cestom i brodom
do Malezije pa u Indoneziju,
do Malezije pa u Indoneziju,
04:25
paying people and smugglers all the way
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plaćajući ljudima i krijumčarima
cijelim putem
cijelim putem
04:27
and spending a lot of time hiding
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i provodeći jako puno vremena
skrivajući se
skrivajući se
04:30
and a lot of time in fear of being caught.
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uz strah da ću biti uhvaćen.
04:34
In Indonesia, I joined a group
of seven asylum seekers.
of seven asylum seekers.
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U Indoneziji sam se priključio grupi
od sedam azilanata.
od sedam azilanata.
04:38
We all shared a bedroom
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Dijelili smo spavaću sobu
04:41
in a town outside of Jakarta called Bogor.
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u gradu izvan Jakarte pod imenom Bogor.
04:45
After spending a week in Bogor,
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Nakon što sam proveo tjedan u Bogoru,
04:47
three of my roommates
left for the perilous journey,
left for the perilous journey,
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tri moja cimera su krenula na opasan put,
04:50
and we got the news two days later
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a do nas su vijesti stigle
dva dana kasnije
dva dana kasnije
04:54
that a distressed boat sank
in the sea en route to Christmas Island.
in the sea en route to Christmas Island.
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da je tužni brod potonuo na morskoj ruti
za Božićne otoke.
za Božićne otoke.
04:59
We found out that our three roommates --
Nawroz, Jaffar and Shabbir --
Nawroz, Jaffar and Shabbir --
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Saznali smo kako su naša tri cimera --
Nawroz, Jaffar i Shabbir --
Nawroz, Jaffar i Shabbir --
05:03
were also among those.
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bili među tim nesretnicima.
05:05
Only Jaffar was rescued.
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Samo je Jaffar spašen.
05:07
Shabbir and Nawroz were never seen again.
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Shabbir i Nawroz nisu nikada
kasnije bili viđeni.
kasnije bili viđeni.
05:11
It made me think,
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To me navelo na razmišljanje,
05:12
am I doing the right thing?
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činim li pravu stvar?
05:15
I concluded I really had
no other choice but to go on.
no other choice but to go on.
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Zaključio sam kako nemam previše
izbora nego nastaviti.
izbora nego nastaviti.
05:19
A few weeks later, we got the call
from the people smuggler
from the people smuggler
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Nekoliko tjedana kasnije, dobili smo
poziv od krijumčara
poziv od krijumčara
05:23
to alert us that the boat is ready for us
to commence our sea journey.
to commence our sea journey.
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koji nas je upozorio kako je brod za
naše putovanje po moru spreman.
naše putovanje po moru spreman.
05:28
Taken in the night towards the main vessel
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Tijekom noći su nas odveli do
našeg broda
našeg broda
05:30
on a motorboat,
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u motornim čamcima,
05:32
we boarded an old fishing boat
that was already overloaded.
that was already overloaded.
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i tako smo došli do starog ribarskog broda
koji je već bio pretrpan.
koji je već bio pretrpan.
05:37
There were 93 of us,
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Bilo nas je 93-oje,
05:39
and we were all below deck.
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i svi smo bili ispod palube.
05:41
No one was allowed up on the top.
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Nitko nije smio izaći gore.
05:43
We all paid 6,000 dollars each
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Svatko od nas je platio 6.000 dolara
05:47
for this part of the trip.
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za taj dio puta.
05:49
The first night and day went smoothly,
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Prvi noć i dan su prošli bez problema,
05:51
but by the second night,
the weather turned.
the weather turned.
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ali druge noći se vrijeme okrenulo.
05:54
Waves tossed the boat around,
and the timbers groaned.
and the timbers groaned.
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Valovi su bacali brod naokolo,
a drvo na njemu je stenjalo.
a drvo na njemu je stenjalo.
05:59
People below deck were crying,
praying, recalling their loved ones.
praying, recalling their loved ones.
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Ljudi ispod palube su plakali,
molili se, pozivali voljene.
molili se, pozivali voljene.
06:03
They were screaming.
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Vrištali su.
06:05
It was a terrible moment.
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To je bio grozan trenutak.
06:07
It was like a scene from doomsday,
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To je bila scena iz sudnjeg dana,
06:11
or maybe like one of those scenes
from those Hollywood movies
from those Hollywood movies
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ili možda poput neke od onih scena
iz hollywoodskih filmova
iz hollywoodskih filmova
06:16
that shows that everything
is breaking apart
is breaking apart
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u kojima se sve raspada
06:19
and the world is just ending.
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a svijet će jednostavno okončati.
06:22
It was happening to us for real.
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To se nama događalo za stvarno.
06:24
We didn't have any hope.
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Nismo imali nikakve nade.
06:29
Our boat was floating
like a matchbox on the water
like a matchbox on the water
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Naš brod je plovio
poput kutije šibica na vodi
poput kutije šibica na vodi
06:32
without any control.
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bez ikakve kontrole.
06:34
The waves were much higher than our boat,
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Valovi su bili bitno viši od našeg broda,
06:38
and the water poured in faster
than the motor pumps could take it out.
than the motor pumps could take it out.
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a voda je ulazila bitno brže nego što
ju je pumpa mogla izbaciti.
ju je pumpa mogla izbaciti.
06:44
We all lost hope.
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Izgubili smo nadu.
06:47
We thought, this is the end.
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Mislili smo kako je to kraj.
06:49
We were watching our deaths,
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Gledali smo smrti u oči,
06:51
and I was documenting it.
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a ja sam to snimao.
06:54
The captain told us
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Kapetan nam je rekao
06:56
that we are not going to make it,
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kako nećemo uspjeti,
06:58
we have to turn back the boat.
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da se moramo vratiti.
07:01
We went on the deck
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Otišli smo na palubu
07:03
and turned our torches on and off
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i palili i gasili naše baklje
07:06
to attract the attention
of any passing boat.
of any passing boat.
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kako bi privukli pažnju bilo
kojeg broda u prolasku.
kojeg broda u prolasku.
07:11
We kept trying to attract their attention
by waving our life jackets and whistling.
by waving our life jackets and whistling.
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Nastavili smo pokušavati privući pažnju
tako što smo mahali jaknama
za spašavanje i zviždali.
za spašavanje i zviždali.
07:18
Eventually, we made it to a small island.
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Napokon smo sitigli do malenog otoka.
07:22
Our boat crashing onto the rocks,
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Naš brod se razbio o stjene,
07:25
I slipped into the water
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ja sam upao u vodu
07:27
and destroyed my camera,
whatever I had documented.
whatever I had documented.
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i uništio svoju kameru
sa svime što sam uspio snimiti.
sa svime što sam uspio snimiti.
07:31
But luckily, the memory card survived.
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Ali na sreću memorijska
kartica je spašena.
kartica je spašena.
07:36
It was a thick forest.
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Došli smo do guste šume.
07:39
We all split up into many groups
as we argued over what to do next.
as we argued over what to do next.
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Podijelili smo se u puno malih grupa
dok smo raspravljali što dalje napraviti.
dok smo raspravljali što dalje napraviti.
07:44
We were all scared and confused.
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Svi smo bili uplašeni i zbunjeni.
07:47
Then, after spending
the night on the beach,
the night on the beach,
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Onda, nakon što smo proveli noć na plaži,
07:50
we found a jetty and coconuts.
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pronašli smo nasip i kokosove orahe.
07:53
We hailed a boat from a nearby resort,
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Mahali smo brodu iz obližnjeg naselja,
07:56
and then were quickly handed over
to Indonesian water police.
to Indonesian water police.
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i ubrzo smo predani indonežanskoj
policiji.
policiji.
08:00
At Serang Detention Center,
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U pritvornom centru Sergan,
08:04
an immigration officer came
and furtively strip-searched us.
and furtively strip-searched us.
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imigracijski časnik je došao i
skrivećki nas je pretražio.
skrivećki nas je pretražio.
08:09
He took our mobile, my $300 cash,
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Uzeo je moj mobitel,
mojih 300$ u gotovini,
mojih 300$ u gotovini,
08:12
our shoes that we should not
be able to escape,
be able to escape,
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i naše cipele kako ne bismo mogli
pobjeći,
pobjeći,
08:15
but we kept watching the guards,
checking their movements,
checking their movements,
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ali nastavili smo pratiti naše čuvare,
provjeravajući njihovo kretanje,
provjeravajući njihovo kretanje,
08:21
and around 4 a.m.
when they sat around a fire,
when they sat around a fire,
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i oko 4:00 ujutro kada su
zasjeli oko vatre,
zasjeli oko vatre,
08:25
we removed two glass layers
from an outside facing window
from an outside facing window
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mi smo maknuli dvije razine stakla s
vanjskog prozora
vanjskog prozora
08:29
and slipped through.
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i provukli se van.
08:30
We climbed a tree next to an outer wall
that was topped with the shards of glass.
that was topped with the shards of glass.
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popeli smo se preko drvenog vanjskog zida
koji je na vrhu imao zdrobljeno staklo.
koji je na vrhu imao zdrobljeno staklo.
08:35
We put the pillow on that
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Na njega smo stavili jastuke
08:38
and wrapped our forearms with bedsheets
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a oko ruku smo zamotali plahte
08:41
and climbed the wall,
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i popeli se preko zida,
08:43
and we ran away with bare feet.
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i pobjegli smo bosonogi.
08:47
I was free,
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Bio sam slobodan,
08:49
with an uncertain future,
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s nesigurnom budućnošću,
08:51
no money.
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i bez novca.
08:53
The only thing I had was the memory card
with the pictures and footage.
with the pictures and footage.
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Sve što sam imao bila je memorijska
kartica sa slikama i snimkama.
kartica sa slikama i snimkama.
09:00
When my documentary was aired
on SBS Dateline,
on SBS Dateline,
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Kada je moj dokumentarac prikazan na
SBS Dateline,
SBS Dateline,
09:04
many of my friends came to know
about my situation,
about my situation,
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mnogi moji prijatelji su saznali
za moju situaciju
za moju situaciju
09:06
and they tried to help me.
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i pokušali su mi pomoći.
09:08
They did not allow me to take
any other boat to risk my life.
any other boat to risk my life.
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Nisu mi dozvolili da ponovno uzmem
neki drugi brod i riskiram život.
neki drugi brod i riskiram život.
09:12
I also decided to stay in Indonesia
and process my case through UNHCR,
and process my case through UNHCR,
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Također sam odlučio ostati u Indoneziji
i procesuirati moj slučaj kroz UNHCR,
i procesuirati moj slučaj kroz UNHCR,
09:16
but I was really afraid
that I would end up in Indonesia
that I would end up in Indonesia
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ali stvarno sam se bojao kako ću
završiti u Indoneziji
završiti u Indoneziji
09:20
for many years doing nothing
and unable to work,
and unable to work,
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na dugi niz godina bez mogućnosti
da nešto radim,
da nešto radim,
09:24
like every other asylum seeker.
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kao i svaki drugi tražitelj azila.
09:27
But it had happened to be
a little bit different with me.
a little bit different with me.
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Ali dogodilo se da moj slučaj
bude nešto drugačiji.
bude nešto drugačiji.
09:30
I was lucky.
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Bio sam sretnik.
09:35
My contacts worked to expedite
my case through UNHCR,
my case through UNHCR,
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Moji kontakti su ubrzali moj slučaj
kod UNHCR-a,
kod UNHCR-a,
09:40
and I got resettled
in Australia in May 2013.
in Australia in May 2013.
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i dobio sam preseljenje u Australiju
u svibnju 2013.
u svibnju 2013.
09:45
Not every asylum seeker is lucky like me.
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Nije svaki azilant sretnik poput mene.
09:49
It is really difficult to live a life
with an uncertain fate, in limbo.
with an uncertain fate, in limbo.
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Stvarno je teško živjeti život s
nesigurnom sudbinom, u limbu.
nesigurnom sudbinom, u limbu.
09:56
The issue of asylum seekers in Australia
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Problem s tražiteljima azila u Australiji
10:00
has been so extremely politicized
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je toliko ekstremno ispolitiziran
10:03
that it has lost its human face.
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da je izgubio ljudsko lice.
10:06
The asylum seekers have been demonized
and then presented to the people.
and then presented to the people.
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Tražitelji azila su demonizirani i
kao takvi predstvaljeni javnosti.
kao takvi predstvaljeni javnosti.
10:12
I hope my story and the story
of other Hazaras
of other Hazaras
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Nadam se kako ćemo moja priča
i priče drugih Hazara
i priče drugih Hazara
10:16
could shed some light to show the people
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baciti malo svjetla
koje će prikazati ljude
koje će prikazati ljude
10:19
how these people are suffering
in their countries of origin,
in their countries of origin,
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koji pate u svojim domovinama,
10:24
and how they suffer,
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i kako pate,
10:28
why they risk their lives to seek asylum.
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zašto riskiraju svoj život tražeći azil.
10:32
Thank you.
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Hvala vam.
(Pljesak)
10:34
(Applause)
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ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Barat Ali Batoor - PhotojournalistBarat Ali Batoor, an award-winning photojournalist, is a member of the Hazara people. He is based in Australia.
Why you should listen
Barat Ali Batoor is a member of the Hazara ethnic group, once from Afghanistan, then driven into Pakistan. He started work as a photographer in 2002, documenting his people's ancestral home of Afghanistan. His photos have appeared in the Washington Post, Newsweek, the Wall Street Journal, Stern and many other publications. He held his first solo exhibition in 2007, and has been exhibited around the world.
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