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Carrie Poppy: A scientific approach to the paranormal
Carrie Poppy: Vedecký prístup k paranormálnym javom
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Čo straší Carie Poppyovú? Sú to duchovia, alebo niečo horšie? V tejto prednáške investigatívna žurnalistka rozpráva o svojich potýčkach s nepríjemných pocitom, pred ktorým by ste varovali svojich priateľov, a vysvetľuje prečo je potrebné, aby sa paranormálnymi aktivitami zaoberala veda.
Carrie Poppy - Writer, radio host, comedian
Carrie Poppy tells stories on the fringes of human experience through writing, live storytelling and radio. Full bio
Carrie Poppy tells stories on the fringes of human experience through writing, live storytelling and radio. Full bio
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Pred ôsmimi rokmi ma strašil zlý duch.
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Eight years ago, I was haunted
by an evil spirit.
by an evil spirit.
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I was 25 at the time,
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Mala som vtedy 25
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and I was living in a tiny house
behind someone else's house
behind someone else's house
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a žila som v maličkom domčeku,
ktorý stál za iným domom
ktorý stál za iným domom
00:26
in Los Angeles.
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v Los Angeles.
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It was this guest house,
it had kind of been dilapidated,
it had kind of been dilapidated,
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Bol to taký schátraný domček pre hostí,
00:31
not taken care of for a long time.
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o ktorý sa už dlho nikto nestaral.
00:34
And one night, I was sitting there
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Jedného večera, keď som tam sedela,
00:38
and I got this really spooky feeling,
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premohol ma desivý pocit,
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kind of the feeling
like you're being watched.
like you're being watched.
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ako keby ma niekto sledoval.
00:45
But no one was there except my two dogs,
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V dome však, okrem mojich
dvoch psov, nikto nebol.
dvoch psov, nikto nebol.
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and they were just chewing their feet.
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A tie si len pokojne lízali labky.
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And I looked around. No one was there.
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Obzrela som sa okolo seba.
Nik tam nebol.
Nik tam nebol.
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And I thought, OK,
it's just my imagination.
it's just my imagination.
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Tak som si pomyslela:
„V poriadku, to sa mi len zdá.“
„V poriadku, to sa mi len zdá.“
00:59
But the feeling just kept getting worse,
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Ten pocit sa však zhoršoval,
01:02
and I started to feel
this pressure in my chest,
this pressure in my chest,
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začala som cítiť tlak v hrudi,
01:07
sort of like the feeling
when you get bad news.
when you get bad news.
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ako keď sa dozviete zlú správu.
01:10
But it started to sink lower and lower
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A postupne klesal nižšie a nižšie,
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and almost hurt.
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hraničil s bolesťou.
01:16
And over the course of that week,
this feeling got worse and worse,
this feeling got worse and worse,
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V priebehu týždňa sa
tento pocit stále zhoršoval
tento pocit stále zhoršoval
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and I started to become convinced
that something was there
that something was there
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a začínala som byť presvedčená o tom,
že v mojom malom domčeku
je niečo, čo ma máta.
je niečo, čo ma máta.
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in my little guest house, haunting me.
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01:30
And I started to hear these sounds,
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Začali sa ozývať zvuky,
01:33
this "whoosh," kind of whisper,
like something passing through me.
like something passing through me.
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zvuk podobný závanu vetra,
ako keby cezo mňa niečo prechádzalo.
ako keby cezo mňa niečo prechádzalo.
01:40
I called my best friend, Claire, and said,
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Zavolala som najlepšej kamarátke Claire
a povedala som jej:
a povedala som jej:
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"I know this is going to sound crazy,
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„Viem, že to bude znieť šialene,
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but, um ...
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ale...
01:50
I think there's a ghost in my house,
and I need to get rid of it."
and I need to get rid of it."
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myslím, že mám v dome ducha
a potrebujem sa ho zbaviť.“
a potrebujem sa ho zbaviť.“
01:55
And she said -- she's very
open-minded -- and she said,
open-minded -- and she said,
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A ona, ktorá je otvorená
všetkému novému, povedala:
všetkému novému, povedala:
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"I don't think you're crazy.
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„Nemyslím si, že si šialená.
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I think you just need
to do a cleansing ritual."
to do a cleansing ritual."
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Myslím, že len musíš
vykonať očistný rituál.“
vykonať očistný rituál.“
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(Laughter)
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(smiech)
02:07
"So get some sage and burn it,
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„Zožeň si šalviu, zapáľ ju
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and tell it to go away."
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a povedz „tomu“, aby to odišlo.“
02:15
So I said, "OK,"
and I went and I bought sage.
and I went and I bought sage.
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A tak som súhlasila a kúpila šalviu.
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I had never done this before,
so I set the sage on fire,
so I set the sage on fire,
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Nikdy predtým som to nerobila a
tak som tú šalviu zapálila,
tak som tú šalviu zapálila,
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waved it about, and said, "Go away!
This is my house! I live here.
This is my house! I live here.
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mávala ňou dookola a hovorila:
„Choď preč! Toto je môj dom!
„Choď preč! Toto je môj dom!
Ja tu žijem! Ty nie!“
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You don't live here!"
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But the feeling stayed.
Nothing got better.
Nothing got better.
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Ale ten pocit neprestal.
Nič sa nezlepšilo.
Nič sa nezlepšilo.
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And then I started to think,
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Potom som začala rozmýšľať nad tým,
02:38
OK, well now this thing is probably
just laughing at me,
just laughing at me,
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že teraz sa „tá vec“ na mne asi smeje,
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because it hasn't left,
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pretože neodišla,
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and I probably just look like
this impotent, powerless thing
this impotent, powerless thing
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a ja pravdepodobne vyzerám,
ako neschopný, bezmocný človek,
ako neschopný, bezmocný človek,
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that couldn't get it to go away.
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ktorý ju nedokázal prinútiť odísť.
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So every day I'd come home
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Ten pocit sa tak zhoršil,
– teraz sa už na tom smejem –
– teraz sa už na tom smejem –
02:52
and you guys, this feeling got so bad
that -- I mean, I'm laughing at it now --
that -- I mean, I'm laughing at it now --
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že každý deň, keď som prišla domov,
02:58
but I would sit there in bed
and cry every night.
and cry every night.
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presedela som celú noc
na posteli a plakala.
na posteli a plakala.
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And the feeling on my chest
got worse and worse.
got worse and worse.
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A ten tlak v hrudi sa
viac a viac zhoršoval.
viac a viac zhoršoval.
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It was physically painful.
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Fyzicky to bolelo.
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And I even went to a psychiatrist
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Dokonca som navštívila psychiatričku
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and tried to get her
to prescribe me medicine,
to prescribe me medicine,
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a snažila som sa ju presvedčiť,
aby mi predpísala lieky,
aby mi predpísala lieky,
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and she wouldn't just because
I don't have schizophrenia, OK.
I don't have schizophrenia, OK.
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ale ona odmietla, pretože
som nemala schizofréniu.
som nemala schizofréniu.
03:22
(Laughter)
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(smiech)
03:25
So finally I got on the internet,
and I Googled "hauntings."
and I Googled "hauntings."
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Tak som napokon išla na internet
a gúglila „strašenie a mátoženie“.
a gúglila „strašenie a mátoženie“.
03:32
And I came upon this forum
of ghost hunters.
of ghost hunters.
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A narazila som na fórum lovcov duchov.
03:35
But these were a special
kind of ghost hunters --
kind of ghost hunters --
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Ale boli to špeciálni lovci duchov –
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they were skeptics.
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boli skeptickí.
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They believed that every case of ghosts
that they had investigated so far
that they had investigated so far
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Verili tomu, že každý prípad duchov,
ktorý kedy skúmali,
ktorý kedy skúmali,
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had been explained away by science.
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sa dal vedecky vysvetliť.
03:47
And I was like, "OK, smart guys,
this is what's happening to me,
this is what's happening to me,
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A ja nato:
„OK mudrlanti, toto sa deje mne
„OK mudrlanti, toto sa deje mne
03:51
and if you have an explanation for me,
I would love to hear it."
I would love to hear it."
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a ak máte pre mňa vysvetlenie,
rada si ho vypočujem.“
rada si ho vypočujem.“
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And one of them said, "OK.
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Jeden z nich povedal: „Dobre....
03:58
Um, have you heard
of carbon monoxide poisoning?"
of carbon monoxide poisoning?"
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Počuli ste už o otrave oxidom uhoľnatým?“
04:04
And I said, "Yeah.
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Odpovedala som:
„Áno. Je to niečo ako otrava plynom?“
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Like, gas poisoning?"
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04:12
Carbon monoxide poisoning
is when you have a gas leak
is when you have a gas leak
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Otrava oxidom uhoľnatým nastáva,
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leaking into your home.
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ak máte v dome únik plynu.
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I looked it up, and the symptoms
of carbon monoxide poisoning
of carbon monoxide poisoning
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Vyhľadala som si to a príznaky
otravy oxidom uhoľnatým
otravy oxidom uhoľnatým
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include a pressure on your chest,
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zahŕňajú tlak v hrudi,
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auditory hallucinations -- whoosh --
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sluchové halucinácie
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and an unexplained feeling of dread.
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a nevysvetliteľný pocit strachu.
04:35
So that night, I called the gas company.
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A tak som v ten večer zavolala
plynárov a povedala im:
plynárov a povedala im:
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I said, "I have an emergency.
I need you to come out.
I need you to come out.
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„Je to naliehavé, musíte ihneď prísť.
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I don't want to get into the story now,
but I need you to come out."
but I need you to come out."
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Nechcem sa teraz púšťať do detailov,
ale potrebujem, aby ste prišli.“
ale potrebujem, aby ste prišli.“
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(Laughter)
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(smiech)
04:46
They came out. I said,
"I suspect a gas leak."
"I suspect a gas leak."
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A oni prišli.
Povedala som im:
„Mám podozrenie na únik plynu.“
„Mám podozrenie na únik plynu.“
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They brought their carbon
monoxide detector,
monoxide detector,
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Vytiahli merač oxidu uhoľnatého
a jeden z nich povedal:
a jeden z nich povedal:
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and the man said,
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"It's a really good thing
that you called us tonight,
that you called us tonight,
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„Je dobré, že ste nás hneď zavolali,
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because you could have been
dead very soon."
dead very soon."
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mohli ste byť čoskoro mŕtva.“
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Thirty-seven percent of Americans
believe in haunted houses,
believe in haunted houses,
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37 % Američanov verí
na domy, v ktorých straší,
na domy, v ktorých straší,
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and I wonder how many of them
have been in one
have been in one
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a mňa by zaujímalo, koľkí z nich
už v nejakom takom skutočne boli
už v nejakom takom skutočne boli
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and how many of them have been in danger.
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a koľkí z nich boli v nebezpečenstve.
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So that haunting story
has led me to my job.
has led me to my job.
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A tak ma tento príbeh priviedol
k mojej súčasnej práci.
k mojej súčasnej práci.
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I'm an investigator, and I'm
an investigator in two senses:
an investigator in two senses:
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Som vyšetrovateľka a pracujem
v dvoch rôznych oblastiach:
v dvoch rôznych oblastiach:
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I'm an investigative journalist,
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Som investigatívna žurnalistka
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and I'm also an investigator
of the claims of the paranormal
of the claims of the paranormal
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a taktiež som vyšetrovateľka
paranormálnych a spirituálnych tvrdení.
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and claims of the spiritual.
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And that means a few things.
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A to zahŕňa niekoľko vecí.
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Sometimes that means that I'm pretending
to need an exorcism
to need an exorcism
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Niekedy predstieram, že potrebujem
exorcizmus, áno počujete správne,
exorcizmus, áno počujete správne,
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so I can get -- yes, that's right! --
so I can go to an exorcist
so I can go to an exorcist
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na to, aby som mohla navštíviť exorcistu
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and see if he's using gimmicks
or psychological tricks
or psychological tricks
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a videla, či nepoužíva finty
alebo psychologické triky na to,
alebo psychologické triky na to,
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to try to convince someone
that they're possessed.
that they're possessed.
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aby niekoho presvedčil, že je posadnutý.
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Sometimes that means
I'm going undercover in a fringe group
I'm going undercover in a fringe group
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Inokedy v prestrojení preniknem
do skupiny radikálov
do skupiny radikálov
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which I report on
for a podcast that I co-host.
for a podcast that I co-host.
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a potom o nej hovorím v programe,
ktorý moderujem s kolegom Rossom.
ktorý moderujem s kolegom Rossom.
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And I've done over 70 investigations
like this with my co-host, Ross.
like this with my co-host, Ross.
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S Rossom sme už preskúmali
viac než 70 takýchto prípadov.
viac než 70 takýchto prípadov.
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I would love to tell you
that nine times out of 10, science wins,
that nine times out of 10, science wins,
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A rada by som vám povedala,
že v 9 z 10 prípadov veda vyhráva,
že v 9 z 10 prípadov veda vyhráva,
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saves the day, it's all explained.
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že zachráni situáciu a všetko vysvetlí.
06:07
That's not true.
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Ale to nie je pravda.
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The truth is, 10 times out of 10,
science wins, it saves the day.
science wins, it saves the day.
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Pravdou je, že veda vyhráva a
zachraňuje situáciu v 10 z 10 prípadov.
zachraňuje situáciu v 10 z 10 prípadov.
06:14
(Applause)
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(smiech, potlesk)
06:27
And that doesn't mean
there's no such thing as a mystery.
there's no such thing as a mystery.
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To neznamená, že záhady neexistujú.
06:29
Of course there are mysteries,
but a mystery is a mystery.
but a mystery is a mystery.
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Samozrejme, že existujú,
ale záhada je záhada.
ale záhada je záhada.
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It is not a ghost.
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Nie je to duch.
06:36
Now, I believe there are
two kinds of truth,
two kinds of truth,
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Verím, že existujú dva druhy pravdy
06:40
and it's taken me a while to get
to this place, but I think this is right,
to this place, but I think this is right,
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a chvíľu mi trvalo, kým som na to prišla,
ale myslím, že je to tak,
ale myslím, že je to tak,
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so hear me out.
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a tak ma vypočujte.
06:45
I think there is outer truth
and there's inner truth.
and there's inner truth.
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Myslím, že existuje vonkajšia pravda
a vnútorná pravda.
a vnútorná pravda.
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So if you say to me,
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Keď mi poviete:
06:52
"There was a man named Jesus
and he once existed,"
and he once existed,"
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„Kedysi žil muž menom Ježiš“,
06:54
that's outer truth, right?
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to je vonkajšia pravda.
06:56
And we can go and look
at the historical record.
at the historical record.
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Môžeme ísť pozrieť historické záznamy.
06:58
We can determine
whether that seems to be true.
whether that seems to be true.
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Môžeme určiť, či je to pravda.
07:01
And I would argue,
it does seem to be true.
it does seem to be true.
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A ja poviem, že to znie pravdivo.
07:03
If you say, "Jesus rose
from the dead," -- ooh, trickier.
from the dead," -- ooh, trickier.
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Keď poviete: „Ježiš vstal z mŕtvych“,
tak to už je ťažšie.
tak to už je ťažšie.
07:09
(Laughter)
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(smiech)
07:12
I would say that's an outer-truth claim,
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Nazvala by som to
tvrdením vonkajšej pravdy,
tvrdením vonkajšej pravdy,
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because he physically rose or he didn't.
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pretože buď fyzicky vstal, alebo nie.
07:21
I'm not going to get into
whether he rose or he didn't,
whether he rose or he didn't,
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Nejdem sa púšťať do toho,
či naozaj vstal, alebo nevstal,
či naozaj vstal, alebo nevstal,
07:24
but I would say
that's an outer-truth claim.
that's an outer-truth claim.
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poviem iba, že je to
tvrdenie vonkajšej pravdy:
tvrdenie vonkajšej pravdy:
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It happened or it didn't happen.
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stalo sa to alebo nie.
07:28
But if you say, "I don't care
whether he rose from the dead.
whether he rose from the dead.
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Ale ak poviete:
„Je mi jedno, či sa to stalo, alebo nie.
„Je mi jedno, či sa to stalo, alebo nie.
Pre mňa je to dôležité symbolicky,
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It's symbolically important to me,
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07:34
and that metaphor is so meaningful,
so purposeful to me,
so purposeful to me,
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pre mňa je to významné a zmysluplné
a nemám v úmysle
niekoho o tom presviedčať“,
niekoho o tom presviedčať“,
07:37
and I'm not going to try
to persuade you of it,"
to persuade you of it,"
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teraz ste to tvrdenie presunuli
z vonkajšej pravdy do vnútornej,
z vonkajšej pravdy do vnútornej,
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now you've moved it
from outer truth to inner truth,
from outer truth to inner truth,
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07:42
from science to art.
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z vedy na umenie.
07:44
And I think we have a tendency
to not be clear about this,
to not be clear about this,
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A myslím, že máme tendenciu
nerobiť v tom rozdiel
nerobiť v tom rozdiel
07:47
to try to move our inner truths
to outer truths,
to outer truths,
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a prezentovať naše vnútorné
pravdy ako vonkajšie
pravdy ako vonkajšie
07:50
or to not be fair about it to each other,
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alebo byť neúprimní k druhým
07:53
and when people are telling us
their inner truths,
their inner truths,
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a keď nám oni hovoria
svoje vnútorné pravdy,
svoje vnútorné pravdy,
07:56
to try to make them defend them
by outer-truth standards.
by outer-truth standards.
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žiadame, aby obhájili tieto tvrdenia
štandardami vonkajších právd.
štandardami vonkajších právd.
07:59
So I'm talking here about outer truth,
about objective things.
about objective things.
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A tak teraz rozprávam o vonkajšej
pravde, o objektívnych veciach.
pravde, o objektívnych veciach.
08:03
And there was an objective reality
in my haunted house, right?
in my haunted house, right?
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V mojom strašidelnom dome
existovala objektívna skutočnosť, však?
existovala objektívna skutočnosť, však?
Teraz, keď už viete o úniku plynu,
08:08
Now that I've told you about the gas leak,
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I doubt a single person here
would be like,
would be like,
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pochybujem, že je tu niekto,
kto by povedal:
kto by povedal:
08:13
"I still think there was a ghost, too" --
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„Ja si stále myslím, že tam bol aj duch“,
08:15
(Laughter)
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08:16
because as soon as we have
these scientific explanations,
these scientific explanations,
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pretože akonáhle máme vedecké vysvetlenia,
prestaneme zmýšľať o duchoch.
08:18
we know to give up the ghost.
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08:20
We use these things as stopgaps
for things that we can't explain.
for things that we can't explain.
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Nimi si iba dočasne vysvetľujeme
niečo, čo si inak vysvetliť nevieme.
niečo, čo si inak vysvetliť nevieme.
08:24
We don't believe them because of evidence;
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Neveríme v nich vďaka dôkazom,
08:26
we believe them because
of a lack of evidence.
of a lack of evidence.
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veríme v nich kvôli nedostatku dôkazov.
08:30
So there is a group in Los Angeles
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V Los Angeles existuje skupina s názvom
08:32
called the Independent
Investigations Group, or the IIG,
Investigations Group, or the IIG,
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Skupina nezávislých vyšetrovateľov,
alebo IIG,
alebo IIG,
08:36
and they do great work.
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ktorá odvádza skvelú prácu.
08:38
They'll give a $10,000 prize
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Sľubujú odmenu 10 000 dolárov
08:41
to anyone who can show,
under scientific conditions,
under scientific conditions,
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komukoľvek, kto im, v prostredí
vedeckého laboratória, ukáže
vedeckého laboratória, ukáže
08:45
that they have a paranormal ability.
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že má paranormálne schopnosti.
08:48
No one's done it yet,
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Nikto to zatiaľ nedokázal,
08:49
but they've had a couple people
who claim that they were clairaudients,
who claim that they were clairaudients,
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ale už im zopár ľudí tvrdilo,
že majú mimozmyslový sluch,
že majú mimozmyslový sluch,
08:54
which means that they can hear voices
either from the great beyond
either from the great beyond
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čo znamená, že dokážu počuť hlasy
buď zo záhrobia, alebo
buď zo záhrobia, alebo
že dokážu počuť vaše myšlienky.
08:59
or they can read minds.
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09:00
And they had one person
who was very sincere,
who was very sincere,
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A jeden človek bol skutočne
presvedčený o tom,
presvedčený o tom,
09:03
who believed that he could read minds.
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že počuje myšlienky druhých.
09:06
And a lot of these people --
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Tak pre neho pripravili test.
A takto sa to deje zakaždým:
A takto sa to deje zakaždým:
09:09
(Laughter)
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09:12
That wasn't a laugh line, but OK.
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skupina povie: „OK, máme istý protokol,
spôsob, ako vás vedecky otestovať.
09:15
A lot of these people really are sincere,
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Súhlasíte s tým?“
Človek súhlasí a tak testujú.
09:20
and I believe this guy was.
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Je dôležité, aby obe strany súhlasili.
09:22
He really thought he had this power.
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A tak tohto muža otestovali.
09:24
So they set up a test with him,
and this is the way it always works.
and this is the way it always works.
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A povedali: „OK, viete čo?
Nedokázali ste určiť, čo si Lisa myslela,
09:30
The group says, "OK, we have a protocol,
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vaša úspešnosť sa rovnala tipovaniu,
09:32
we have a way to scientifically test this.
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vyzerá to, že túto schopnosť nemáte.“
09:34
Do you agree with it?"
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A dalo im to príležitosť
09:35
The person says yes. Then they test it.
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sadnúť si a citlivo sa s ním
porozprávať o niečom vážnom,
porozprávať o niečom vážnom,
09:37
It's very important that both sides agree.
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09:39
They did that, they tested him.
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09:42
They said, "OK, you know what?
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čo sa dá jednoducho zhrnúť:
„Vieme, že ste k nám úprimný,
a tak to znamená,
a tak to znamená,
09:44
You weren't able to predict
what Lisa was thinking.
what Lisa was thinking.
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It matched up about the same as chance.
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že naozaj niečo vo svojej hlave počujete.“
09:50
Looks like you don't have the power."
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A tak sa ten muž musel rozhodnúť
či urobí veľmi ťažký krok,
či urobí veľmi ťažký krok,
09:52
And that gave them the opportunity
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to compassionately sit down with him
and have a very difficult discussion,
and have a very difficult discussion,
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niečo, čo mu zmení život,
či vyhľadá odbornú pomoc.
09:59
which basically amounted to,
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V podstate pomáhame
ľuďom nájsť súvislosti,
ľuďom nájsť súvislosti,
10:01
"Hey, we know you're sincere,
and what that means is,
and what that means is,
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10:06
you do hear something in your head."
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ktorých vysvetlenie si spočiatku
spájajú s iným svetom,
spájajú s iným svetom,
10:08
And that's a tough thing to face.
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10:11
(Laughter) (Applause)
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vtiahnuť ich do reality a možno
zmeniť ich život k lepšiemu.
zmeniť ich život k lepšiemu.
10:16
But that day, that guy got to make
the very difficult decision,
the very difficult decision,
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Na druhej strane, možno sa raz ukáže,
že všetko je to pravda.
že všetko je to pravda.
10:22
but really the life-changing decision
about whether to go get help.
about whether to go get help.
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Možno zistíme, že duchovia existujú,
a najlepšie, aj duch svätý!
10:29
(Laughter)
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Vždy, keď sa podieľam na
nejakom vyšetrovaní,
nejakom vyšetrovaní,
som plná vzrušenia,
10:31
But that really could be
the first day of the rest of your life,
the first day of the rest of your life,
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a to ich už mám za sebou 75,
a stále verím,že pri čísle 76
zvolám: „A je to tu!“
zvolám: „A je to tu!“
10:36
because when we challenge these beliefs,
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(smiech)
10:40
we're actually helping people
to make these connections
to make these connections
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Možno som len večná optimistka,
ale dúfam, že nikdy nestratím túto nádej
ale dúfam, že nikdy nestratím túto nádej
10:45
that maybe before seemed like
otherworldly explanations,
otherworldly explanations,
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a vyzývam vás, aby ste zmýšľali rovnako,
keď sa s vami ľudia budú
deliť o to, v čo veria.
deliť o to, v čo veria.
10:50
help draw us into reality
and maybe change our lives for the better.
and maybe change our lives for the better.
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Keď tvrdia niečo, čo sa dá overiť
s rešpektom im klaďte tie správne otázky.
10:57
Now, on the other hand,
maybe one time it'll turn out to be true.
maybe one time it'll turn out to be true.
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Pýtajte sa a tvorte si ucelený obraz,
pretože existuje názor,
že nie je možné rešpektovať vieru
a zároveň žiadať vysvetlenia,
a zároveň žiadať vysvetlenia,
11:03
Maybe we'll find out there are ghosts,
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11:05
and holy shit, it will be the best thing!
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ale to nie je pravda.
11:08
And every time I do
one of these investigations,
one of these investigations,
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Keď sa pokúšame rozlúsknuť záhadu
a testujeme tvrdenia, hovoríme:
a testujeme tvrdenia, hovoríme:
11:10
I still get so excited,
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OK, rešpektujem a počúvam ťa
a som rozhodnutý preskúmať to s tebou.
a som rozhodnutý preskúmať to s tebou.
11:12
and I'm like 75 into them,
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11:14
and still I swear on number 76,
I'm going to be like, "This is the one!"
I'm going to be like, "This is the one!"
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Všetci sme zažili situáciu,
keď niekomu niečo hovoríme
keď niekomu niečo hovoríme
11:18
(Laughter)
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11:20
Maybe I'm just eternally optimistic,
but I hope I never lose this hope,
but I hope I never lose this hope,
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a on na to:
„Áno, to je naozaj zaujímavé“
„Áno, to je naozaj zaujímavé“
a vieme, že to iba predstiera.
11:24
and I invite you to take
this same attitude
this same attitude
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Ale keď niekto povie:
„Vážne? Nepríde mi to ako pravda,
ale počúvam“,
ale počúvam“,
11:28
when people share
their outer beliefs with you.
their outer beliefs with you.
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11:31
When talking about testable claims,
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viete aspoň, že ho to zaujíma
a že vás rešpektuje.
a že vás rešpektuje.
11:33
respect them enough to ask
these good questions.
these good questions.
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A to je postoj, ktorý by sme
mali zaujať k takýmto tvrdeniam.
mali zaujať k takýmto tvrdeniam.
11:37
Challenge and see
how you can examine them together,
how you can examine them together,
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Tak dávame najavo, že nás to zaujíma.
11:40
because there's this idea
that you can't respect a belief
that you can't respect a belief
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To je rešpekt.
11:44
and still challenge it,
but that's not true.
but that's not true.
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Áno, väčšina týchto pátraní
vyjde navnivoč,
vyjde navnivoč,
11:47
When we jiggle the lock,
when we test the claim,
when we test the claim,
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11:49
we're saying, OK, I respect you,
I'm listening to what you're saying,
I'm listening to what you're saying,
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ale tak to už chodí v každej vede.
Žiaden postup liečby rakoviny
zatiaľ nebol úspešný,
zatiaľ nebol úspešný,
11:53
I'm going to test it out with you.
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11:55
We've all had that experience
where you're telling someone something,
where you're telling someone something,
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ale neprestávame hľadať,
11:59
and they're like, "Oh,
that's really interesting, yeah,"
that's really interesting, yeah,"
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a to z dvoch dôvodov.
Po prvé, na výsledku záleží.
12:01
you know you're being had.
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Či už skúmame posmrtný život,
paranormálne javy alebo liek na rakovinu,
paranormálne javy alebo liek na rakovinu,
12:04
But when someone says, "Really? Huh.
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všetko sa točí okolo tej istej otázky:
12:08
Sounds a little sketchy to me,
but I'm listening,"
but I'm listening,"
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„Ako dlho tu budeme?“
12:10
you at least know
you're being engaged and respected.
you're being engaged and respected.
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12:13
And that's the kind of attitude
we should have with these claims.
we should have with these claims.
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Po druhé, hľadať pravdu,
12:16
That's showing someone
that you care what they're saying.
that you care what they're saying.
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byť otvorený novým veciam
a nebáť sa omylov
a nebáť sa omylov
12:19
That's respect.
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a byť ochotný zmeniť svoj pohľad na svet
je úctyhodné.
12:25
Now, yes, most of these searches
will come up empty,
will come up empty,
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Príbehy o duchoch ma stále vzrušujú,
ku každej skupine sa pripájam
s myšlienkou, že možno majú pravdu,
s myšlienkou, že možno majú pravdu,
12:29
but that's how all of science works.
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12:32
Every cure for cancer so far
has not panned out,
has not panned out,
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a dúfam, že túto nádej nikdy nestratím.
Nikdy nestrácajme túto nádej,
12:36
but we don't stop looking,
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pretože hľadanie toho, čo je mimo nás,
12:38
for two reasons.
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nám pomáha pochopiť to, čo je v nás.
12:40
Because number one, the answer matters.
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12:42
Whether it's looking at the afterlife
or the paranormal or the cure for cancer,
or the paranormal or the cure for cancer,
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Taktiež vás prosím, majte doma
detektor oxidu uhoľnatého.
detektor oxidu uhoľnatého.
12:46
it all amounts to the same question:
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12:48
How long will we be here?
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(smiech)
Ďakujem.
(potlesk)
12:52
And two, because looking for the truth,
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12:56
being open-minded,
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12:57
and being willing to be wrong
and to change your whole worldview
and to change your whole worldview
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13:02
is awe-inspiring.
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13:05
I still get excited at ghost stories
every single time.
every single time.
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13:09
I still consider that every group
I join might be right,
I join might be right,
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13:12
and I hope I never lose that hope.
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13:14
Let's all never lose that hope,
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13:15
because searching for what's out there
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13:18
helps us understand what's in here.
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13:21
And also, please have
a carbon monoxide detector in your home.
a carbon monoxide detector in your home.
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13:29
Thank you.
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13:30
(Applause)
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ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Carrie Poppy - Writer, radio host, comedianCarrie Poppy tells stories on the fringes of human experience through writing, live storytelling and radio.
Why you should listen
On her podcast, Oh No, Ross and Carrie, Carrie Poppy and her cohost join fringe spiritual groups, undergo freaky alternative medical treatments, and examine any extraordinary claims that come their way. Oh No, Ross and Carrie receives millions of downloads a year and has been celebrated by outlets like The Guardian, The A.V. Club, Gizmodo, Boing Boing, SplitSider and many others. Poppy received her master's degree in investigative journalism from the University of Southern California, and her journalism work can be seen and heard in outlets across the internet and the airwaves. She is now writing a book about cults.
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