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Carrie Poppy: A scientific approach to the paranormal
Keri Popi (Carrie Poppy): Naučni pristup paranormalnom
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Šta proganja Keri Popi? Da li je to duh ili nešto još gore? U ovom govoru, istraživačka novinarka pripoveda njen susret sa jezivim osećajem na koji želite da upozorite prijatelje, i objašnjava zašto nam je potrebna nauka da se nosimo sa paranormalnim aktivnostima.
Carrie Poppy - Writer, radio host, comedian
Carrie Poppy tells stories on the fringes of human experience through writing, live storytelling and radio. Full bio
Carrie Poppy tells stories on the fringes of human experience through writing, live storytelling and radio. Full bio
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00:12
Eight years ago, I was haunted
by an evil spirit.
by an evil spirit.
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Pre osam godina, proganjao me je zli duh.
00:20
I was 25 at the time,
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Tada mi je bilo 25 godina
00:22
and I was living in a tiny house
behind someone else's house
behind someone else's house
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i živela sam u kućici
iza nečije druge kuće
iza nečije druge kuće
00:26
in Los Angeles.
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u Los Anđelesu.
00:28
It was this guest house,
it had kind of been dilapidated,
it had kind of been dilapidated,
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Bila je to gostinska kuća,
koja je nekeko bila trošna,
koja je nekeko bila trošna,
00:31
not taken care of for a long time.
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dugo nije održavana.
00:34
And one night, I was sitting there
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I jedne noći sam sedela u njoj
00:38
and I got this really spooky feeling,
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i imala sam taj krajnje jeziv osećaj,
00:42
kind of the feeling
like you're being watched.
like you're being watched.
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nalik osećaju da vas neko posmatra.
00:45
But no one was there except my two dogs,
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Međutim, nikoga nije bilo tu
osim moja dva psa,
osim moja dva psa,
00:48
and they were just chewing their feet.
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a oni su prosto grickali svoja stopala.
00:51
And I looked around. No one was there.
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Osvrnula sam se. Nikog nije bilo tu.
00:55
And I thought, OK,
it's just my imagination.
it's just my imagination.
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Pa sam pomislila, u redu,
to je samo moja mašta.
to je samo moja mašta.
00:59
But the feeling just kept getting worse,
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Ali osećaj je samo postajao gori
01:02
and I started to feel
this pressure in my chest,
this pressure in my chest,
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i počela sam da osećam pritisak u grudima,
01:07
sort of like the feeling
when you get bad news.
when you get bad news.
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nalik onom osećaju
kad dobijete loše vesti.
kad dobijete loše vesti.
01:10
But it started to sink lower and lower
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Ali počela sam da tonem dublje i dublje
01:13
and almost hurt.
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i gotovo u bolovima.
01:16
And over the course of that week,
this feeling got worse and worse,
this feeling got worse and worse,
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A tokom te nedelje,
ovo osećanje se sve više pogoršavalo,
ovo osećanje se sve više pogoršavalo,
01:19
and I started to become convinced
that something was there
that something was there
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te sam postala ubeđena da postoji nešto
01:25
in my little guest house, haunting me.
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u mojoj gostinskoj kućici
što me je proganjalo.
što me je proganjalo.
01:30
And I started to hear these sounds,
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Te sam počela da čujem zvukove,
01:33
this "whoosh," kind of whisper,
like something passing through me.
like something passing through me.
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taj nekakav šapat nalik na "šuš",
kao da je nešto prolazilo kroz mene.
kao da je nešto prolazilo kroz mene.
01:40
I called my best friend, Claire, and said,
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Nazvala sam moju najbolju
prijateljicu Kler i rekla:
prijateljicu Kler i rekla:
01:45
"I know this is going to sound crazy,
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"Znam da će da zvuči blesavo,
01:48
but, um ...
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ali, hm...
01:50
I think there's a ghost in my house,
and I need to get rid of it."
and I need to get rid of it."
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mislim da imam duha u kući
i moram da ga se rešim."
i moram da ga se rešim."
01:55
And she said -- she's very
open-minded -- and she said,
open-minded -- and she said,
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A ona je rekla -
veoma je otvorenog uma - te je rekla:
veoma je otvorenog uma - te je rekla:
02:00
"I don't think you're crazy.
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"Mislim da nisi luda.
02:01
I think you just need
to do a cleansing ritual."
to do a cleansing ritual."
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Mislim da ti je samo potreban
ritual pročišćenja."
ritual pročišćenja."
02:05
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
02:07
"So get some sage and burn it,
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"Dakle, nabavi žalfiju i spali je
02:12
and tell it to go away."
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i reci mu da nestane."
02:15
So I said, "OK,"
and I went and I bought sage.
and I went and I bought sage.
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Pa sam rekla: "U redu",
i otišla sam i kupila žalfiju.
i otišla sam i kupila žalfiju.
02:19
I had never done this before,
so I set the sage on fire,
so I set the sage on fire,
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Nikad ovo ranije nisam radila,
pa sam zapalila žalfiju,
pa sam zapalila žalfiju,
02:23
waved it about, and said, "Go away!
This is my house! I live here.
This is my house! I live here.
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promahala njom i rekla: "Nestani!
Ovo je moja kuća! Ja živim ovde.
Ovo je moja kuća! Ja živim ovde.
02:29
You don't live here!"
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Ti ne živiš ovde!"
02:32
But the feeling stayed.
Nothing got better.
Nothing got better.
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Međutim, osećaj je ostao.
Nije bilo poboljšanja.
Nije bilo poboljšanja.
02:35
And then I started to think,
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Pa sam počela da razmišljam,
02:38
OK, well now this thing is probably
just laughing at me,
just laughing at me,
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u redu, ova stvar
mi se verovatno samo smeje
mi se verovatno samo smeje
02:40
because it hasn't left,
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jer nije otišla
02:43
and I probably just look like
this impotent, powerless thing
this impotent, powerless thing
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i ja verovatno izgledam
poput bednog, nemoćnog bića
poput bednog, nemoćnog bića
02:46
that couldn't get it to go away.
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koje ga nije moglo najuriti.
02:48
So every day I'd come home
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Dakle, svaki dan bih došla kući
02:52
and you guys, this feeling got so bad
that -- I mean, I'm laughing at it now --
that -- I mean, I'm laughing at it now --
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i, ljudi, ovo osećanje se toliko pogoršalo
da - mislim, sad mi je smešno -
da - mislim, sad mi je smešno -
02:58
but I would sit there in bed
and cry every night.
and cry every night.
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ali sedela bih u krevetu
i plakala svake noći.
i plakala svake noći.
03:03
And the feeling on my chest
got worse and worse.
got worse and worse.
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A osećanje u grudima
se sve više pogoršavalo.
se sve više pogoršavalo.
03:08
It was physically painful.
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Bilo je fizički bolno.
03:11
And I even went to a psychiatrist
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I pošla sam kod psihijatrice
03:14
and tried to get her
to prescribe me medicine,
to prescribe me medicine,
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i pokušala sam da je navedem
da mi prepiše lekove,
da mi prepiše lekove,
03:18
and she wouldn't just because
I don't have schizophrenia, OK.
I don't have schizophrenia, OK.
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a ona nije htela, samo zato
što nemam šizofreniju, u redu.
što nemam šizofreniju, u redu.
03:22
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
03:25
So finally I got on the internet,
and I Googled "hauntings."
and I Googled "hauntings."
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Pa sam konačno pošla na internet
i proguglala "proganjanja".
i proguglala "proganjanja".
03:32
And I came upon this forum
of ghost hunters.
of ghost hunters.
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I naišla sam na forum lovaca na duhove.
03:35
But these were a special
kind of ghost hunters --
kind of ghost hunters --
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Ali to je bila naročita vrsta
lovaca na duhove -
lovaca na duhove -
03:38
they were skeptics.
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bili su skeptici.
03:39
They believed that every case of ghosts
that they had investigated so far
that they had investigated so far
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Verovali su da je svaki slučaj s duhovima
koji su do sad istraživali
koji su do sad istraživali
03:45
had been explained away by science.
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naučno objašnjiv.
03:47
And I was like, "OK, smart guys,
this is what's happening to me,
this is what's happening to me,
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A ja sam bila u fazonu: "U redu,
pametnjakovići, evo šta mi se dešava
pametnjakovići, evo šta mi se dešava
03:51
and if you have an explanation for me,
I would love to hear it."
I would love to hear it."
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i ako imate objašnjenje,
volela bih da ga čujem."
volela bih da ga čujem."
03:55
And one of them said, "OK.
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A jedan od njih je rekao: "U redu.
03:58
Um, have you heard
of carbon monoxide poisoning?"
of carbon monoxide poisoning?"
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Hm, da li si čula
za trovanje ugljen-monoksidom?"
za trovanje ugljen-monoksidom?"
04:04
And I said, "Yeah.
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A ja sam rekla: "Da.
04:09
Like, gas poisoning?"
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Poput trovanja plinom?"
04:12
Carbon monoxide poisoning
is when you have a gas leak
is when you have a gas leak
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Trovanje ugljen-monoksidom
se dešava kada vam curi plin
se dešava kada vam curi plin
04:15
leaking into your home.
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u vašem domu.
04:17
I looked it up, and the symptoms
of carbon monoxide poisoning
of carbon monoxide poisoning
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Proverila sam to i simptomi
trovanja ugljen-monoksidom
trovanja ugljen-monoksidom
04:23
include a pressure on your chest,
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uključuju pritisak u grudima,
04:26
auditory hallucinations -- whoosh --
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zvučne halucinacije - šuš -
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and an unexplained feeling of dread.
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i neobjašnjivo osećanje straha.
04:35
So that night, I called the gas company.
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Pa sam te noći nazvala plinsku firmu.
04:38
I said, "I have an emergency.
I need you to come out.
I need you to come out.
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Rekla sam: "Hitno je. Morate da dođete.
04:42
I don't want to get into the story now,
but I need you to come out."
but I need you to come out."
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Ne želim trenutno da ulazim u priču,
ali potrebno mi je da dođete.
ali potrebno mi je da dođete.
04:45
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
04:46
They came out. I said,
"I suspect a gas leak."
"I suspect a gas leak."
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Došli su. Rekla sam:
"Sumnjam da mi curi plin."
"Sumnjam da mi curi plin."
04:49
They brought their carbon
monoxide detector,
monoxide detector,
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Doneli su detektor ugljen-monoksida
04:51
and the man said,
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i čovek je rekao:
04:54
"It's a really good thing
that you called us tonight,
that you called us tonight,
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"Zaista je dobro
što si nas večeras pozvala
što si nas večeras pozvala
04:57
because you could have been
dead very soon."
dead very soon."
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jer si mogla uskoro da budeš mrtva."
05:01
Thirty-seven percent of Americans
believe in haunted houses,
believe in haunted houses,
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U uklete kuće veruje
37 procenata Amerikanaca
37 procenata Amerikanaca
05:07
and I wonder how many of them
have been in one
have been in one
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i pitam se koliko njih
je bilo u ukletoj kući,
je bilo u ukletoj kući,
05:11
and how many of them have been in danger.
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a koliko njih je bilo u opasnosti.
05:16
So that haunting story
has led me to my job.
has led me to my job.
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Pa me je ta ukleta priča
dovela do mog posla.
dovela do mog posla.
05:21
I'm an investigator, and I'm
an investigator in two senses:
an investigator in two senses:
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Ja sam istražiteljka,
i istražiteljka sam na dva načina:
i istražiteljka sam na dva načina:
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I'm an investigative journalist,
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istraživačka sam novinarka
05:26
and I'm also an investigator
of the claims of the paranormal
of the claims of the paranormal
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i takođe istražujem
tvrdnje o paranormalnom
tvrdnje o paranormalnom
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and claims of the spiritual.
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i tvrdnje o spiritualnom.
05:31
And that means a few things.
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A to znači nekoliko stvari.
05:32
Sometimes that means that I'm pretending
to need an exorcism
to need an exorcism
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Ponekad to znači da se pretvaram
da mi je potreban egzorcizam
da mi je potreban egzorcizam
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so I can get -- yes, that's right! --
so I can go to an exorcist
so I can go to an exorcist
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kako bih mogla - da, to je tačno! -
kako bih mogla da pođem do egzorciste
kako bih mogla da pođem do egzorciste
05:41
and see if he's using gimmicks
or psychological tricks
or psychological tricks
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i proverim da li obmanjuje
ili koristi psihološke trikove
ili koristi psihološke trikove
05:45
to try to convince someone
that they're possessed.
that they're possessed.
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kako bi ubedio nekoga da je posednut.
05:47
Sometimes that means
I'm going undercover in a fringe group
I'm going undercover in a fringe group
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Ponekad to znači da u tajnosti
prilazim marginalizovanim grupama
prilazim marginalizovanim grupama
05:51
which I report on
for a podcast that I co-host.
for a podcast that I co-host.
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o čemu izveštavam
u audio izveštajima čija sam kovoditeljka.
u audio izveštajima čija sam kovoditeljka.
05:54
And I've done over 70 investigations
like this with my co-host, Ross.
like this with my co-host, Ross.
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I obavila sam preko 70 istraga,
poput ove sa mojim kovoditeljem Rosom.
poput ove sa mojim kovoditeljem Rosom.
05:59
I would love to tell you
that nine times out of 10, science wins,
that nine times out of 10, science wins,
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Volela bih da vam kažem
da u devet od 10 slučajeva nauka pobeđuje,
da u devet od 10 slučajeva nauka pobeđuje,
06:04
saves the day, it's all explained.
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spašava dan, sve je objašnjeno.
06:07
That's not true.
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To nije tačno.
06:08
The truth is, 10 times out of 10,
science wins, it saves the day.
science wins, it saves the day.
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Istina je da u 10 od 10 puta
nauka pobeđuje, spašava dan.
nauka pobeđuje, spašava dan.
06:14
(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
06:27
And that doesn't mean
there's no such thing as a mystery.
there's no such thing as a mystery.
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A to ne znači da ne postoji
nešto kao misterija.
nešto kao misterija.
06:29
Of course there are mysteries,
but a mystery is a mystery.
but a mystery is a mystery.
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Naravno da postoje misterije,
ali misterija je misterija.
ali misterija je misterija.
06:33
It is not a ghost.
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Nije duh.
06:36
Now, I believe there are
two kinds of truth,
two kinds of truth,
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Sad, verujem da postoje dve vrste istine,
06:40
and it's taken me a while to get
to this place, but I think this is right,
to this place, but I think this is right,
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i trebalo mi je neko vreme
da to shvatim, ali mislim da je tako,
da to shvatim, ali mislim da je tako,
06:44
so hear me out.
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zato poslušajte me.
06:45
I think there is outer truth
and there's inner truth.
and there's inner truth.
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Mislim da postoje spoljne istine
i postoje unutrašnje istine.
i postoje unutrašnje istine.
06:48
So if you say to me,
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Pa, ako mi kažete:
06:52
"There was a man named Jesus
and he once existed,"
and he once existed,"
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"Bio je čovek po imenu Isus
i on je nekad postojao",
i on je nekad postojao",
06:54
that's outer truth, right?
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to je spoljna istina, zar ne?
06:56
And we can go and look
at the historical record.
at the historical record.
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I možemo poći i proveriti
u istorijskim zapisima.
u istorijskim zapisima.
06:58
We can determine
whether that seems to be true.
whether that seems to be true.
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Možemo da odredimo
da li se to čini istinitim.
da li se to čini istinitim.
07:01
And I would argue,
it does seem to be true.
it does seem to be true.
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I rekla bih da se čini istinitim.
07:03
If you say, "Jesus rose
from the dead," -- ooh, trickier.
from the dead," -- ooh, trickier.
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Ako kažete: "Isus je ustao iz mrtvih" -
uh, to je zeznutije.
uh, to je zeznutije.
07:09
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
07:12
I would say that's an outer-truth claim,
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Rekla bih da je to tvrdnja
o spoljnjoj istini
o spoljnjoj istini
07:19
because he physically rose or he didn't.
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jer je fizički ustao ili nije.
07:21
I'm not going to get into
whether he rose or he didn't,
whether he rose or he didn't,
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Neću ulaziti u to da li je ustao ili nije,
ali bih rekla da je to tvrdnja
o spoljnoj istini.
o spoljnoj istini.
07:24
but I would say
that's an outer-truth claim.
that's an outer-truth claim.
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07:26
It happened or it didn't happen.
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Desilo se ili nije.
07:28
But if you say, "I don't care
whether he rose from the dead.
whether he rose from the dead.
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Ali ako kažete: "Nije me briga
da li je ustao iz mrtvih.
da li je ustao iz mrtvih.
07:31
It's symbolically important to me,
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Važno mi je simbolički
07:34
and that metaphor is so meaningful,
so purposeful to me,
so purposeful to me,
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i ta metafora je toliko značajna,
toliko smislena za mene
toliko smislena za mene
07:37
and I'm not going to try
to persuade you of it,"
to persuade you of it,"
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i neću pokušavati da te ubedim u nju",
07:39
now you've moved it
from outer truth to inner truth,
from outer truth to inner truth,
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sada ste se pomerili
od spoljne ka unutrašnjoj istini,
od spoljne ka unutrašnjoj istini,
07:42
from science to art.
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od nauke do umetnosti.
07:44
And I think we have a tendency
to not be clear about this,
to not be clear about this,
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I mislim da imamo tendenciju
da ne budemo jasni povodom ovoga,
da ne budemo jasni povodom ovoga,
07:47
to try to move our inner truths
to outer truths,
to outer truths,
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povodom pokušaja pomeranja
naših unutrašnjih istina ka spolja
naših unutrašnjih istina ka spolja
07:50
or to not be fair about it to each other,
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ili da ne budemo međusobno pošteni
po tom pitanju,
po tom pitanju,
07:53
and when people are telling us
their inner truths,
their inner truths,
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i kada nam ljudi govore
svoje unutrašnje istine,
svoje unutrašnje istine,
07:56
to try to make them defend them
by outer-truth standards.
by outer-truth standards.
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da pokušamo da ih nateramo da ih brane
po standardima spoljnih istina.
po standardima spoljnih istina.
07:59
So I'm talking here about outer truth,
about objective things.
about objective things.
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Dakle, ovde govorim o spoljnim istinama,
o objektivnim stvarima.
o objektivnim stvarima.
08:03
And there was an objective reality
in my haunted house, right?
in my haunted house, right?
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A postojala je objektivna stvarnost
u mojoj ukletoj kući, zar ne?
u mojoj ukletoj kući, zar ne?
08:08
Now that I've told you about the gas leak,
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Sad kad sam vam rekla za curenje plina,
08:10
I doubt a single person here
would be like,
would be like,
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sumnjam da će ijedna osoba biti u fazonu:
08:13
"I still think there was a ghost, too" --
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"I dalje mislim da je postojao i duh" -
08:15
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
08:16
because as soon as we have
these scientific explanations,
these scientific explanations,
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jer čim imamo naučna objašnjenja,
08:18
we know to give up the ghost.
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odustajemo od duha.
08:20
We use these things as stopgaps
for things that we can't explain.
for things that we can't explain.
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Koristimo to kao privremena merila
za ono što ne možemo da objasnimo.
za ono što ne možemo da objasnimo.
08:24
We don't believe them because of evidence;
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Ne verujemo u njih zbog dokaza;
08:26
we believe them because
of a lack of evidence.
of a lack of evidence.
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verujemo u njih zbog nedostatka dokaza.
08:30
So there is a group in Los Angeles
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Dakle, postoji grupa u Los Anđelesu,
08:32
called the Independent
Investigations Group, or the IIG,
Investigations Group, or the IIG,
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nazivaju se Nezavisna
istraživačka grupa ili NIG,
istraživačka grupa ili NIG,
08:36
and they do great work.
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i obavljaju sjajan posao.
08:38
They'll give a $10,000 prize
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Nude nagradu od 10.000$
08:41
to anyone who can show,
under scientific conditions,
under scientific conditions,
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svakome ko pokaže,
pod naučnim okolnostima,
pod naučnim okolnostima,
08:45
that they have a paranormal ability.
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da ima paranormalnu sposobnost.
08:48
No one's done it yet,
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Niko to nije uspeo,
08:49
but they've had a couple people
who claim that they were clairaudients,
who claim that they were clairaudients,
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ali su imali nekoliko ljudi
koji su tvrdili da imaju natprirodan sluh,
koji su tvrdili da imaju natprirodan sluh,
08:54
which means that they can hear voices
either from the great beyond
either from the great beyond
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što znači da mogu da čuju glasove
bilo iz velike udaljenosti
bilo iz velike udaljenosti
08:59
or they can read minds.
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ili mogu da čitaju misli.
09:00
And they had one person
who was very sincere,
who was very sincere,
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I imali su jednu osobu
koja je bila veoma iskrena,
koja je bila veoma iskrena,
09:03
who believed that he could read minds.
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koja je verovala da može da čita misli.
09:06
And a lot of these people --
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A mnogi ovi ljudi -
09:09
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
09:12
That wasn't a laugh line, but OK.
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To nije bila šala, ali u redu.
09:15
A lot of these people really are sincere,
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Mnogi ovi ljudi su zaista iskreni
09:20
and I believe this guy was.
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i verujem da je ovaj momak bio.
09:22
He really thought he had this power.
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Zaista je mislio da ima tu moć.
09:24
So they set up a test with him,
and this is the way it always works.
and this is the way it always works.
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Pa su postavili test sa njim,
a ovako to uvek funkcioniše.
a ovako to uvek funkcioniše.
09:30
The group says, "OK, we have a protocol,
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Grupa kaže: "U redu, imamo protokol,
09:32
we have a way to scientifically test this.
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imamo način da ovo naučno testiramo.
09:34
Do you agree with it?"
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Slažete li se s tim?"
09:35
The person says yes. Then they test it.
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Osoba kaže da. Potom ga testiraju.
09:37
It's very important that both sides agree.
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Veoma je važno da obe strane pristanu.
09:39
They did that, they tested him.
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Uradili su to, testirali su ga.
09:42
They said, "OK, you know what?
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Rekli su: "U redu, znate šta?
09:44
You weren't able to predict
what Lisa was thinking.
what Lisa was thinking.
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Niste bili u stanju da predvidite
o čemu je Lisa razmišljala.
o čemu je Lisa razmišljala.
09:48
It matched up about the same as chance.
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Podudarnost je bila kao kod nagađanja.
09:50
Looks like you don't have the power."
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Izgleda da nemate moći."
09:52
And that gave them the opportunity
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A to im je pružilo priliku
09:54
to compassionately sit down with him
and have a very difficult discussion,
and have a very difficult discussion,
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da saosećajno sednu s njim
i obave veoma težak razgovor,
i obave veoma težak razgovor,
09:59
which basically amounted to,
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koji se u suštini svodio na:
10:01
"Hey, we know you're sincere,
and what that means is,
and what that means is,
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"Hej, znamo da si iskren, a to znači
10:06
you do hear something in your head."
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da zaista čuješ nešto u glavi."
10:08
And that's a tough thing to face.
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A s tim se teško suočiti.
10:11
(Laughter) (Applause)
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(Smeh) (Aplauz)
10:16
But that day, that guy got to make
the very difficult decision,
the very difficult decision,
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Ali tog dana, taj momak
je doneo veoma tešku odluku,
je doneo veoma tešku odluku,
10:22
but really the life-changing decision
about whether to go get help.
about whether to go get help.
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ali zaista odluku koja mu je promenila
život, o tome da potraži pomoć.
život, o tome da potraži pomoć.
10:29
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
10:31
But that really could be
the first day of the rest of your life,
the first day of the rest of your life,
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Ali to bi zaista mogao da bude
prvi dan ostatka vašeg života
prvi dan ostatka vašeg života
10:36
because when we challenge these beliefs,
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jer kad dovedemo u pitanje ta verovanja,
10:40
we're actually helping people
to make these connections
to make these connections
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zapravo pomažemo ljudima da povežu konce
10:45
that maybe before seemed like
otherworldly explanations,
otherworldly explanations,
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koji su im se ranije možda činili
poput onostranih objašnjenja,
poput onostranih objašnjenja,
10:50
help draw us into reality
and maybe change our lives for the better.
and maybe change our lives for the better.
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pomažu da nas dovuku u stvarnost
i možda nam promene živote na bolje.
i možda nam promene živote na bolje.
10:57
Now, on the other hand,
maybe one time it'll turn out to be true.
maybe one time it'll turn out to be true.
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Sad, s druge strane,
možda će se jednom ispostaviti tačnim.
možda će se jednom ispostaviti tačnim.
11:03
Maybe we'll find out there are ghosts,
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Možda ćemo otkriti da postoje duhovi
11:05
and holy shit, it will be the best thing!
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i, sveca mu, biće to nešto najbolje!
11:08
And every time I do
one of these investigations,
one of these investigations,
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I svaki put kad obavljam
jedno od ovih istraživanja,
jedno od ovih istraživanja,
11:10
I still get so excited,
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i dalje sam veoma uzbuđena
11:12
and I'm like 75 into them,
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i u fazonu, 75 je iza mene,
11:14
and still I swear on number 76,
I'm going to be like, "This is the one!"
I'm going to be like, "This is the one!"
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i dalje vam se kunem kad stignem do 76,
biću u fazonu: "To je to!"
biću u fazonu: "To je to!"
11:18
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
11:20
Maybe I'm just eternally optimistic,
but I hope I never lose this hope,
but I hope I never lose this hope,
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Možda sam prosto večni optimista,
ali se nadam da neću izgubiti ovu nadu,
ali se nadam da neću izgubiti ovu nadu,
11:24
and I invite you to take
this same attitude
this same attitude
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i pozivam vas da zauzmete isti stav
kada ljudi dele sa vama
svoja ubeđenja u spoljne istine.
svoja ubeđenja u spoljne istine.
11:28
when people share
their outer beliefs with you.
their outer beliefs with you.
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11:31
When talking about testable claims,
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Kada govore o proverljivim tvrdnjama,
11:33
respect them enough to ask
these good questions.
these good questions.
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poštujte ih dovoljno da upitate
ova dobra pitanja.
ova dobra pitanja.
11:37
Challenge and see
how you can examine them together,
how you can examine them together,
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Izazovite ih i proverite
kako možete zajedno da ih istražite
kako možete zajedno da ih istražite
11:40
because there's this idea
that you can't respect a belief
that you can't respect a belief
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jer postoji zamisao
da ne možete da poštujete verovanje
da ne možete da poštujete verovanje
11:44
and still challenge it,
but that's not true.
but that's not true.
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i da ga i dalje dovodite u pitanje,
ali to nije tačno.
ali to nije tačno.
11:47
When we jiggle the lock,
when we test the claim,
when we test the claim,
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Kada tresemo katanac,
kada testiramo tvrdnju,
kada testiramo tvrdnju,
11:49
we're saying, OK, I respect you,
I'm listening to what you're saying,
I'm listening to what you're saying,
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govorimo, u redu, poštujem te,
slušam šta govoriš,
slušam šta govoriš,
11:53
I'm going to test it out with you.
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zajedno ćemo to testirati.
11:55
We've all had that experience
where you're telling someone something,
where you're telling someone something,
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Svi smo imali slično iskustvo,
kada govorite nekome nešto,
kada govorite nekome nešto,
11:59
and they're like, "Oh,
that's really interesting, yeah,"
that's really interesting, yeah,"
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a oni su u fazonu: "Oh,
to je zaista zanimljivo, da",
to je zaista zanimljivo, da",
12:01
you know you're being had.
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znate da vas drže za budalu.
12:04
But when someone says, "Really? Huh.
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Ali kad neko kaže: "Zaista? Ha.
12:08
Sounds a little sketchy to me,
but I'm listening,"
but I'm listening,"
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Zvuči mi malčice nategnuto, ali slušam",
12:10
you at least know
you're being engaged and respected.
you're being engaged and respected.
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bar znate da se bave vama
i da vas poštuju.
i da vas poštuju.
12:13
And that's the kind of attitude
we should have with these claims.
we should have with these claims.
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A takav bismo stav
trebali imati kod ovih tvrdnji.
trebali imati kod ovih tvrdnji.
12:16
That's showing someone
that you care what they're saying.
that you care what they're saying.
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To pokazuje nekome
da marite za to što govore.
da marite za to što govore.
12:19
That's respect.
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To je poštovanje.
12:25
Now, yes, most of these searches
will come up empty,
will come up empty,
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Sad, da, većina ovih pretraga
će da bude uzaludna,
će da bude uzaludna,
12:29
but that's how all of science works.
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ali tako nauka funkcioniše.
12:32
Every cure for cancer so far
has not panned out,
has not panned out,
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Svaki lek za rak se do sad nije isplatio,
12:36
but we don't stop looking,
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ali ne prestajemo da tražimo
12:38
for two reasons.
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iz dva razloga.
12:40
Because number one, the answer matters.
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Zato što, pod jedan: odgovor je važan.
12:42
Whether it's looking at the afterlife
or the paranormal or the cure for cancer,
or the paranormal or the cure for cancer,
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Bilo da proveravamo zagrobni život
ili paranormalno ili lek za rak,
ili paranormalno ili lek za rak,
12:46
it all amounts to the same question:
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sve se svodi na isto pitanje:
12:48
How long will we be here?
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koliko dugo ćemo da budemo ovde?
12:52
And two, because looking for the truth,
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I, pod dva: zato što traganje za istinom,
12:56
being open-minded,
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stanje otovrenog uma
12:57
and being willing to be wrong
and to change your whole worldview
and to change your whole worldview
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i spremnost da ne budemo u pravu
i da u potpunosti promenimo pogled na svet
i da u potpunosti promenimo pogled na svet
13:02
is awe-inspiring.
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izazivaju strahopoštovanje.
13:05
I still get excited at ghost stories
every single time.
every single time.
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I dalje se svaki put
uzbudim zbog priče o duhovima.
uzbudim zbog priče o duhovima.
I dalje smatram da svaka grupa
kojoj se pridružim možda jeste u pravu
kojoj se pridružim možda jeste u pravu
13:09
I still consider that every group
I join might be right,
I join might be right,
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13:12
and I hope I never lose that hope.
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i nadam se da neću izgubiti tu nadu.
13:14
Let's all never lose that hope,
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Hajde da svi zadržimo tu nadu
13:15
because searching for what's out there
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jer traganje za onim što postoji napolju
13:18
helps us understand what's in here.
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pomaže nam da razumemo ono što je unutra.
13:21
And also, please have
a carbon monoxide detector in your home.
a carbon monoxide detector in your home.
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I takođe, molim vas, držite
detektor ugljen-monoksida u vašem domu.
detektor ugljen-monoksida u vašem domu.
13:29
Thank you.
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Hvala vam.
13:30
(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Carrie Poppy - Writer, radio host, comedianCarrie Poppy tells stories on the fringes of human experience through writing, live storytelling and radio.
Why you should listen
On her podcast, Oh No, Ross and Carrie, Carrie Poppy and her cohost join fringe spiritual groups, undergo freaky alternative medical treatments, and examine any extraordinary claims that come their way. Oh No, Ross and Carrie receives millions of downloads a year and has been celebrated by outlets like The Guardian, The A.V. Club, Gizmodo, Boing Boing, SplitSider and many others. Poppy received her master's degree in investigative journalism from the University of Southern California, and her journalism work can be seen and heard in outlets across the internet and the airwaves. She is now writing a book about cults.
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