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Jane Goodall: What separates us from chimpanzees?
珍妮·古道尔论人和猿的区别
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虽然珍妮·古道尔还未发现人和黑猩猩之间缺失的链接，可她比其他人更接近成功。这位灵长类动物学家说，人与黑猩猩之间惟一的真正区别是我们有复杂的语言。她敦促我们着手用语言改变世界。
Jane Goodall - Primatologist; environmentalist
Jane Goodall, dubbed by her biographer "the woman who redefined man," has changed our perceptions of primates, people, and the connection between the two. Over the past 45 years, Goodall herself has also evolved -- from steadfast scientist to passionate conservationist and humanitarian. Full bio
Jane Goodall, dubbed by her biographer "the woman who redefined man," has changed our perceptions of primates, people, and the connection between the two. Over the past 45 years, Goodall herself has also evolved -- from steadfast scientist to passionate conservationist and humanitarian. Full bio
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Good morning everyone. First of all, it's been fantastic
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各位上午好。首先，我觉得，太棒了
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being here over these past few days.
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这几天在这儿太棒了
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And secondly, I feel it's a great honor to kind of wind up
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其次，我觉得能最后出场是我莫大的荣耀
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this extraordinary gathering of people,
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面对这么一群了不起的人
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these amazing talks that we've had.
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和这些精彩的谈话。
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I feel that I've fitted in, in many ways,
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我发现，在很多方面，
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to some of the things that I've heard.
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我很赞同我所听到的一些事。
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I came directly here
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我从厄瓜尔多热带雨林的最深处
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from the deep, deep tropical rainforest in Ecuador,
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直接来到这里，
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where I was out -- you could only get there by a plane --
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我工作的那个地方，只有乘飞机才能到达
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with indigenous people with paint on their faces
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那儿的土著人脸上涂着颜料
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and parrot feathers on their headdresses,
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戴着鹦鹉羽毛的头饰。
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where these people are fighting to try and keep the oil companies,
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在那里，他们竭力阻止石油公司进入森林
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and keep the roads, out of their forests.
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不让他们在森林里铺路
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They're fighting to develop their own way of living within the forest
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他们在斗争，想要保持自己在森林里的生活方式
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in a world that's clean, a world that isn't contaminated,
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要保持他们的世界洁净，那个世界未曾被毒害
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a world that isn't polluted.
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未曾被污染。
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And what was so amazing to me, and what fits right in
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我觉得很奇妙的是
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with what we're all talking about here at TED,
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与TED的话题相一致，
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is that there, right in the middle of this rainforest,
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在那里，就在这片雨林的正中央，
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was some solar panels -- the first in that part of Ecuador --
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有一片太阳能电蓄电池板——这是厄瓜多尔这个地区的第一块太阳能电池
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and that was mainly to bring water up by pump
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这些电池主要用于带动水泵，将水运到山上
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so that the women wouldn't have to go down.
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这样妇女们就不用再下山挑水
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The water was cleaned, but because they got a lot of batteries,
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这些水都经过净化，很干净。但是因为他们有很多电池，
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they were able to store a lot of electricity.
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能储备足够的电。
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So every house -- and there were, I think, eight houses
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所以每一家，我想，总共有八家人
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in this little community -- could have light
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在这个小社区里，能够用上电灯
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for, I think it was about half an hour each evening.
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我觉得每晚能维持半小时的照明。
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And there is the Chief, in all his regal finery, with a laptop computer.
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他们的酋长，除了酋长的服饰，还有一个电脑笔记本。
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(Laughter)
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（笑声）
02:06
And this man, he has been outside, but he's gone back,
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这个人曾经走出过他们的村庄，但是最终他回来了
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and he was saying, "You know, we have suddenly jumped into
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他曾说："我们好像一瞬间就进入了一个全新的时代
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a whole new era, and we didn't even know about the white man
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五十年前，我们甚至不知道还有白种人
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50 years ago, and now here we are with laptop computers,
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可如今，在这儿，我们有了笔记本电脑
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and there are some things we want to learn from the modern world.
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我们想要从现代社会中学习一些事。
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We want to know about health care.
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我们想要了解卫生保健。
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We want to know about what other people do -- we're interested in it.
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想知道其他地方的人在做什么——我们对这些感兴趣。
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And we want to learn other languages.
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我们想学其他语言。
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We want to know English and French and perhaps Chinese,
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我们想学英语、法语，或许中文。
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and we're good at languages."
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我们有语言天赋。”
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So there he is with his little laptop computer,
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他就是这样，用一台小小的笔记本电脑，
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but fighting against the might of the pressures --
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跟强大的外在压力做斗争 ——
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because of the debt, the foreign debt of Ecuador --
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这压力都来自于厄瓜多尔的巨额外债——
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fighting the pressure of World Bank, IMF, and of course
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对抗来自世界银行，国际货币基金组织的压力，
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the people who want to exploit the forests and take out the oil.
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当然，还要对抗那些想要开发森林和开采石油的人。
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And so, coming directly from there to here.
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因此，我从那里直接飞到这里，来告诉大家这些。
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But, of course, my real field of expertise
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但是，当然我的专业
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lies in an even different kind of civilization --
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是关于另一种领域的文明——
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I can't really call it a civilization.
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也许我不能称之为文明。
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A different way of life, a different being.
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而是另一种生活方式，另一种生存。
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We've talked earlier -- this wonderful talk by Wade Davis
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我们早先谈过——在韦德·戴维斯的精彩演讲中，
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about the different cultures of the humans around the world --
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谈到了世界上不同种族的文化。
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but the world is not composed only of human beings;
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但这个世界，不仅仅是由人类组成的，
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there are also other animal beings.
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还有其他动物的存在。
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And I propose to bring into this TED conference,
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正如我在世界各地所做的一样，我想要带给TED
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as I always do around the world, the voice of the animal kingdom.
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来自动物王国的声音。
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Too often we just see a few slides, or a bit of film,
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通常我们只是在几张幻灯片中，或是一小段影片里看到这些，
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but these beings have voices that mean something.
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但是，这些生命也有能表达某种意义的声音。
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And so, I want to give you a greeting,
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因此，我用坦桑尼亚森林里的黑猩猩的方式
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as from a chimpanzee in the forests of Tanzania --
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向大家问好——
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Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh!
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呜~~呜~~~呜~~~~~呜呜呜~~~呜~~呜~~~（学猩猩叫）
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(Applause)
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（掌声）
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I've been studying chimpanzees in Tanzania since 1960.
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我从1960年开始在坦桑尼亚研究黑猩猩。
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During that time, there have been modern technologies
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从那时起，现代科技手段
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that have really transformed the way
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大大改变了
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that field biologists do their work.
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野外生物学家的工作方式。
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For example, for the first time, a few years ago,
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比如，几年前，我们第一次
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by simply collecting little fecal samples
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只需取粪便样本
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we were able to have them analyzed -- to have DNA profiling done --
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就可以分析动物——比如检查DNA——
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so for the first time, we actually know which male chimps
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所以，也是从那时起，我们才开始真正的知道
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are the fathers of each individual infant.
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每只小黑猩猩的父亲是谁。
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Because the chimps have a very promiscuous mating society.
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因为黑猩猩是混杂交配的，
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So this opens up a whole new avenue of research.
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所以，这个技术帮助我们开创了新的研究领域。
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And we use GSI -- geographic whatever it is, GSI --
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我们用GIS来——代表的是地理什么的，GSI——
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to determine the range of the chimps.
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来确定黑猩猩的活动范围。
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And we're using -- you can see that I'm not really into this kind of stuff --
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我们还——你们看，我这方面不太在行，
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but we're using satellite imagery
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不过我们用卫星影像技术
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to look at the deforestation in the area.
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来观察这个区域的森林破坏程度。
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And of course, there's developments in infrared,
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当然，还有红外线夜视技术
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so you can watch animals at night,
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可以在夜间观察动物。
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and equipment for recording by video,
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而且录音、录像的机器
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and tape recording is getting lighter and better.
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越来越轻便、好用，
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So in many, many ways, we can do things today
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所以，我们今天可以做的更多，
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that we couldn't do when I began in 1960.
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这在1960年，我刚开始工作时都是不可能的。
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Especially when chimpanzees, and other animals
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特别是研究圈养的黑猩猩和其他
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with large brains, are studied in captivity,
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脑容量大的动物时，
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modern technology is helping us to search
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现代技术有助于我们探索
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for the upper levels of cognition in some of these non-human animals.
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除人类之外，拥有高级认知能力的动物。
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So that we know today, they're capable of performances
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使我们今天了解到，他们能够完成
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that would have been thought absolutely impossible
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之前我们认为不可能的事
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by science when I began.
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这都是因为当时科学手段有限。
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I think the chimpanzee in captivity who is the most skilled
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我觉得，圈养黑猩猩中能完成最复杂的智力行为的
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in intellectual performance is one called Ai in Japan --
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是一只在日本的黑猩猩，叫做Ai
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her name means love --
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意思是“爱”，
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and she has a wonderfully sensitive partner working with her.
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她有个聪明敏感的伙伴。
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She loves her computer --
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她喜欢她的电脑，为了电脑
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she'll leave her big group, and her running water,
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她宁愿离开群体，离开流动的水源，
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and her trees and everything.
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离开她的树林，离开一切。
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And she'll come in to sit at this computer --
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她会来到这台电脑跟前坐下，
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it's like a video game for a kid; she's hooked.
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她爱玩游戏，一种类似小孩子玩的游戏，她着了迷。
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She's 28, by the way, and she does things with her computer screen
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顺便说一下，她28岁了，她通过屏幕
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and a touch pad that she can do faster than most humans.
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和触摸屏，动作比大多数人还要快。
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She does very complex tasks, and I haven't got time to go into them,
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她可以使用电脑完成非常复杂的任务，我没有时间细说了。
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but the amazing thing about this female is
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有一点令人惊异：
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she doesn't like making mistakes.
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她不喜欢犯错误。
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If she has a bad run, and her score isn't good,
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要是她这轮没玩好，得分太低，
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she'll come and reach up and tap on the glass --
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她就会走过去，拍实验室的玻璃，
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because she can't see the experimenter --
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——因为她看不见实验员——
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which is asking to have another go.
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她这是在要求再玩一轮。
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And her concentration -- she's already concentrated hard
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她已经精神高度集中了二十分钟，
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for 20 minutes or so, and now she wants to do it all over again,
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还要求再重新玩一轮，
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just for the satisfaction of having done it better.
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只是为了要玩得更好，到自己满意为止。
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And the food is not important -- she does get a tiny reward,
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而且食物对她并不重要——她确实会得到一丁点儿的奖励，
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like one raisin for a correct response --
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比如每一次正确的反应，她会得到一颗葡萄干——
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but she will do it for nothing, if you tell her beforehand.
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但是你要是跟她事先讲明，没有食物她也心甘情愿。
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So here we are, a chimpanzee using a computer.
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你看，黑猩猩也可以操作电脑。
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Chimpanzees, gorillas, orangutans also learn human sign language.
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黑猩猩、大猩猩、红毛猩猩还能学会人的手语。
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But the point is that when I was first in Gombe in 1960 --
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重要的是，当我1960年第一次来到贡贝——
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I remember so well, so vividly, as though it was yesterday --
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那时的印象仍然十分鲜明，一切好像就在昨天——
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the first time, when I was going through the vegetation,
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第一次，穿过整片的丛林，
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the chimpanzees were still running away from me, for the most part,
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大多数黑猩猩见了我，还是会逃开，
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although some were a little bit acclimatized --
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虽然还是有一些对人类有点习惯了。
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and I saw this dark shape, hunched over a termite mound,
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我看见一个黑影，爬伏在蚁丘上，
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and I peered with my binoculars.
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我从望远镜里看出去。
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It was, fortunately, one adult male whom I'd named David Greybeard --
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那是只成年的雄猩猩，我给它起名叫灰胡子大卫。
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and by the way, science at that time was telling me that I shouldn't name the chimps;
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要知道，当时的科学界还不兴这样给动物起名字，
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they should all have numbers; that was more scientific.
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好像动物只能标号码，那样才科学。
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Anyway, David Greybeard -- and I saw that
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无论如何，我看见这个灰胡子大卫
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he was picking little pieces of grass and using them
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捡起细小的草叶，用它们
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to fish termites from their underground nest.
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把白蚁从地下的蚁穴钓出来。
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And not only that -- he would sometimes pick a leafy twig
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不仅如此，他还会捡一根树枝，
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and strip the leaves --
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把叶子捋净。
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modifying an object to make it suitable for a specific purpose --
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修整物体以适于某种特殊用途，
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the beginning of tool-making.
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——这就是制造工具的开始。
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The reason this was so exciting and such a breakthrough
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这个发现令人兴奋，是一个突破，
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is at that time, it was thought that humans,
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因为当时认为，只有人
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and only humans, used and made tools.
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才会使用和制造的工具。
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When I was at school, we were defined as man, the toolmaker.
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我还在读书的时候，我们定义人类为工具的制造者。
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So that when Louis Leakey, my mentor, heard this news,
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所以，当我的导师路易斯·李基听到这个消息，
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he said, "Ah, we must now redefine 'man,' redefine 'tool,'
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他说：“噢，我们需要重新定义人和工具了,
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or accept chimpanzees as humans."
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不然就得承认黑猩猩也属于人类。”
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(Laughter)
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（笑）
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We now know that at Gombe alone, there are nine different ways
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仅贡贝一地的黑猩猩，就拥有九种不同的方法，
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in which chimpanzees use different objects for different purposes.
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把物体做成工具，有不同的目的，用于不同的对象。
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Moreover, we know that in different parts of Africa,
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此外，我们知道非洲其他地方，
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wherever chimps have been studied,
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研究大猩猩的每一个地方，
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there are completely different tool-using behaviors.
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都存在截然不同的使用工具的行为。
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And because it seems that these patterns are passed
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这些方式方法一代一代传承着，
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from one generation to the next, through observation,
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通过观察、模仿、和实践，
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imitation and practice -- that is a definition of human culture.
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——人类文化就是如此定义的。
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What we find is that over these 40-odd years
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这四十多年来，
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that I and others have been studying chimpanzees
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我和其他人一直在研究黑猩猩
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and the other great apes, and, as I say, other mammals
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和其他的大型猿类，还有，
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with complex brains and social systems,
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其他的拥有复杂大脑和社会结构的哺乳类动物，
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we have found that after all, there isn't a sharp line
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我们最后发现，没有一条很清晰的界线，
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dividing humans from the rest of the animal kingdom.
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来区分人类和其他动物。
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It's a very wuzzy line.
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这条界线非常模糊。
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It's getting wuzzier all the time as we find animals doing things
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这条界线越来越模糊，随着我们发现动物可以做许多事
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that we, in our arrogance, used to think was just human.
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我们曾经自大地认为，这些事只有人才会做。
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The chimps -- there's no time to discuss their fascinating lives --
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现在没有时间来谈论黑猩猩的奇妙生活，
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but they have this long childhood, five years
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不过，他们的童年也很长，
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of suckling and sleeping with the mother,
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有五年的时间，它们吸吮母乳，跟母亲睡在一起，
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and then another three, four or five years
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之后大约有三到五年的时间
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of emotional dependence on her, even when the next child is born.
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小黑猩猩都对母亲有情感依靠，即使有新生儿的出现，也是如此。
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The importance of learning in that time, when behavior is flexible --
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这段时间对于它们是关键的学习时间，行为可以塑造，
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and there's an awful lot to learn in chimpanzee society.
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在黑猩猩群体里，有很多东西要学。
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The long-term affectionate supportive bonds
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长期的爱和支持的纽带
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that develop throughout this long childhood with the mother,
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将在漫长的童年时期建立在小猩猩与母亲
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with the brothers and sisters,
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和其他兄弟姐妹之间，
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and which can last through a lifetime,
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这种联系可以维持一生，
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which may be up to 60 years.
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长达60年之久。
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They can actually live longer than 60 in captivity,
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在圈养环境下，他们实际上不止活60年，
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so we've only done 40 years in the wild so far.
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而目前我们对野外黑猩猩只做了40年的研究。
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And we find chimps are capable of true compassion and altruism.
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我们发现黑猩猩有诚挚的情感，懂得同情和关心。
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We find in their non-verbal communication -- this is very rich --
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我们还发现，他们的非语言交流非常丰富，
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they have a lot of sounds, which they use in different circumstances,
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它们会发出各种声音，用于各种不同的场合。
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but they also use touch, posture, gesture,
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同时，它们也触摸、做姿势，打手势，
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and what do they do?
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那它们是怎么做的呢？
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They kiss; they embrace; they hold hands.
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它们亲吻、拥抱、握手。
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They pat one another on the back; they swagger; they shake their fist --
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它们互相拍击后背、昂首阔步、摇晃拳头——
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the kind of things that we do,
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就像我们所做的一样——
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and they do them in the same kind of context.
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它们也用在同样的场合。
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They have very sophisticated cooperation.
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它们有非常复杂的协作。
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Sometimes they hunt -- not that often,
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它们有时打猎——这并不常发生，
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but when they hunt, they show sophisticated cooperation,
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但当它们打猎时，它们分工合作、互相协助，
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and they share the prey.
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之后，它们还分配猎物。
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We find that they show emotions, similar to -- maybe sometimes the same --
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我们发现，黑猩猩也会表达感情，像是幸福、悲伤、恐惧、绝望，
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as those that we describe in ourselves as happiness, sadness, fear, despair.
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类似于人类的情感，有时甚至是一样的。
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They know mental as well as physical suffering.
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它们知道身体上的疼痛，也知道精神上的痛楚。
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And I don't have time to go into the information
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现在我没有足够的时间，告诉你们更多的细节
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that will prove some of these things to you,
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来证明我所说的这些，
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save to say that there are very bright students, in the best universities,
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更没有时间详细介绍在一些顶尖的大学里，有些非常聪明的学生，
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studying emotions in animals, studying personalities in animals.
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正在研究动物的情绪和个性。
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We know that chimpanzees and some other creatures
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我们知道，黑猩猩跟一些其他的动物
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can recognize themselves in mirrors -- "self" as opposed to "other."
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可以从镜子中认出自己——它们可以区别自己和其他个体。
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They have a sense of humor, and these are the kind of things
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它们也有幽默感，而正是这一类感知
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which traditionally have been thought of as human prerogatives.
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我们传统上认为，是人类的“特权”。
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But this teaches us a new respect -- and it's a new respect
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因此，这教给我们一种新的尊重
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not only for the chimpanzees, I suggest,
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我认为，这不仅仅是对黑猩猩的尊重
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but some of the other amazing animals with whom we share this planet.
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更是对与我们共享这个地球的其他动物的尊重
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Once we're prepared to admit that after all,
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归根结底，只有当我们能够承认
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we're not the only beings with personalities, minds
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我们人类并不是唯一拥有个性、精神、甚至情感的生灵时
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and above all feelings, and then we start to think
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我们才能够反思
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about ways we use and abuse
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我们是如何利用和虐待
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so many other sentient, sapient creatures on this planet,
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这个星球上其他拥有智慧和感知的生物，
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it really gives cause for deep shame, at least for me.
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至少对我来说，这是非常让人内疚的。
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So, the sad thing is that these chimpanzees --
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所以，让人难过的是，这些黑猩猩——
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who've perhaps taught us, more than any other creature, a little humility --
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它们比任何其他生物更能让我们懂得一点羞耻心——
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are in the wild, disappearing very fast.
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却在野外快速的消失。
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They're disappearing for the reasons
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导致它们消失的原因
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that all of you in this room know only too well.
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在场所有人都心知肚明。
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The deforestation, the growth of human populations, needing more land.
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森林砍伐，人口增加需要更多土地。
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They're disappearing because some timber companies
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因为伐木公司进入森林，大面积砍伐树木，
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go in with clear-cutting.
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摧毁整片的树林，所以黑猩猩正在消失。
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They're disappearing in the heart of their range in Africa
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在非洲黑猩猩活动区域的中心，它们正在消失
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because the big multinational logging companies have come in and made roads --
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因为跨国伐木公司巨头进入森林，修建道路——
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as they want to do in Ecuador
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而他们也想在厄瓜多尔
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and other parts where the forests remain untouched --
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以及其他森林未被开发的地区做同样的事情——
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to take out oil or timber.
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他们要而开采大量的石油或木材。
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And this has led in Congo basin, and other parts of the world,
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这导致刚果盆地和世界其他地区兴起了
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to what is known as the bush-meat trade.
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所谓的“丛林肉”（野味）交易。
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This means that although for hundreds, perhaps thousands of years,
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这意味这，虽然几百年，也许是几千年以来，
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people have lived in those forests, or whatever habitat it is,
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生活在那些森林里，或者是其他栖息地的人们，
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in harmony with their world, just killing the animals they need
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与大自然和谐共处，只捕杀所需的动物
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for themselves and their families --
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只为自己及家人所需——
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now, suddenly, because of the roads,
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而现在，一瞬间，新筑的道路，
13:26
the hunters can go in from the towns.
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使猎人能够从城里进入森林。
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They shoot everything, every single thing that moves
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这些人射杀一切，射杀每一个活动的物体
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that's bigger than a small rat; they sun-dry it or smoke it.
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只要比老鼠大，他们都会捕来晒干或是熏烤。
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And now they've got transport; they take it on the logging trucks
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他们还有交通工具，他们可以乘着伐木卡车或是采矿卡车
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or the mining trucks into the towns where they sell it.
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把猎物带进城，再卖掉。
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And people will pay more for bush-meat, as it's called,
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在某些文化中，人们愿意高价购买这些“野味”，
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than for domestic meat -- it's culturally preferred.
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而不喜欢养殖动物的肉。
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And it's not sustainable, and the huge logging camps in the forest
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这不是可持续的，而那些驻扎在森林里的大型伐木营
13:55
are now demanding meat, so the Pygmy hunters in the Congo basin
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也需要大量的肉类，所以刚果盆地里的俾格米猎人们
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who've lived there with their wonderful way of living
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他们原本上百年来在森林里和谐安居
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for so many hundreds of years are now corrupted.
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现在这种生活也遭到了破坏。
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They're given weapons; they shoot for the logging camps; they get money.
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有人给他们武器，他们为伐木营射杀动物，获得金钱。
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Their culture is being destroyed,
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他们的文化正遭受破坏，
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along with the animals upon whom they depend.
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他们生存所依赖的动物也同样遭到毁灭。
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So, when the logging camp moves, there's nothing left.
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所以，当伐木营离开时，当地往往被洗劫一空。
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We talked already about the loss of human cultural diversity,
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我们之前已经讨论过，人类文化的多样性正在不断地丧失，
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and I've seen it happening with my own eyes.
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而我本人亲眼目睹了这一切的发生。
14:24
And the grim picture in Africa -- I love Africa,
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虽然我爱非洲，但当我们将目光投向非洲严酷的现实，
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and what do we see in Africa?
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我们又看到了什么呢？
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We see deforestation;
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我们看到森林被砍伐，
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we see the desert spreading; we see massive hunger;
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沙漠扩大，饥荒肆虐，
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we see disease and we see population growth in areas
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我们看到疾病蔓延，人口增长
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where there are more people living on a certain piece of land
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使得有限土地上所居住的人越来越多
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than the land can possibly support,
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超出了土地所能供养的极限，
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and they're too poor to buy food from elsewhere.
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而他们又极端贫穷，无力从其他地方购买食物。
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Were the people that we heard about yesterday,
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我们昨天所讨论的复活节岛上的人，
14:54
on the Easter Island, who cut down their last tree -- were they stupid?
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他们砍掉了岛上最后的一棵树——他们真的愚蠢吗？
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Didn't they know what was happening?
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他们真的不知道当时即将发生什么事情吗？
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Of course, but if you've seen the crippling poverty
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他们清楚得很，可是，要是你看到在世界的某些角落
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in some of these parts of the world
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人们所过的赤贫的生活
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it isn't a question of "Let's leave the tree for tomorrow."
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那么，所谓为明天留下一棵树也就不是问题了。
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"How am I going to feed my family today?
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你想的是：“今天我要怎么养活家人？
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Maybe I can get just a few dollars from this last tree
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也许，砍掉最后这棵树，我还能换来几块钱
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which will keep us going a little bit longer,
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这样我们还能稍微多活几天，
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and then we'll pray that something will happen
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之后，再祈祷是否有奇迹
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to save us from the inevitable end."
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把我们从死亡中拯救出来。”
15:20
So, this is a pretty grim picture.
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瞧，这就是严酷的现实。
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The one thing we have, which makes us so different
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将我们与黑猩猩及其他生物区分开的，
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from chimpanzees or other living creatures,
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最重要的因素之一，
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is this sophisticated spoken language --
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就是我们复杂的口头语言——
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a language with which we can tell children
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我们用这种语言，可以告诉我们的孩子
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about things that aren't here.
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那些尚未发生的事情。
15:36
We can talk about the distant past, plan for the distant future,
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我们告诉他们遥远的历史，或是未来的计划，
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discuss ideas with each other,
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还可以讨论彼此的想法，
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so that the ideas can grow from the accumulated wisdom of a group.
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让这些思想在一群人累积起来的智慧中不断发展。
15:46
We can do it by talking to each other;
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我们可以通过相互交谈做到这一点，
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we can do it through video; we can do it through the written word.
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还可以通过视频或文字。
15:52
And we are abusing this great power we have to be wise stewards,
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而如今，我们正在滥用语言的能力，没有当好地球聪明的管家，
15:57
and we're destroying the world.
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我们正在摧毁地球。
15:59
In the developed world, in a way, it's worse,
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从某种角度来说，发达国家做得更糟糕，
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because we have so much access to knowledge
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这是因为，我们可以更便捷地得到知识
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of the stupidity of what we're doing.
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更了解我们所做的事是多么的愚蠢。
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Do you know, we're bringing little babies
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大家知道吗，在很多地方，
16:10
into a world where, in many places, the water is poisoning them?
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新生儿喝的水都是有毒的。
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And the air is harming them, and the food that's grown
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空气也在伤害他们，
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from the contaminated land is poisoning them.
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食物也生长在受污染的土地上，毒害他们。
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And that's not just in the far-away developing world; that's everywhere.
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而这并不只是发生在遥远的发展中国家，世界各地都是如此。
16:26
Do you know we all have about 50 chemicals
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大家知道吗，我们现在体内有50余种化学元素
16:28
in our bodies we didn't have about 50 years ago?
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50年前在我们体内是不存在的。
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And so many of these diseases, like asthma
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很多疾病，像是哮喘
16:36
and certain kinds of cancers, are on the increase
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以及某些癌症，
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around places where our filthy toxic waste is dumped.
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在有毒垃圾堆放的地方这些疾病的发生率都在增加。
16:44
We're harming ourselves around the world,
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世界各地，人们都在伤害自己，
16:47
as well as harming the animals, as well as harming nature herself --
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伤害动物，伤害大自然。
16:51
Mother Nature, that brought us into being;
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大自然母亲，赋予我们生命的自然。
16:54
Mother Nature, where I believe we need to spend time,
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大自然，我们要长于斯乐于斯的大自然，
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where there's trees and flowers and birds
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草长莺飞，花香鸟语
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for our good psychological development.
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令我们怡情的大自然。
17:03
And yet, there are hundreds and hundreds of children
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然而，在发达国家，
17:06
in the developed world who never see nature,
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成千上万的孩子都没有见过大自然，
17:08
because they're growing up in concrete
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因为他们在混凝土的世界里长大
17:10
and all they know is virtual reality,
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他们所知了解的都是虚拟现实，
17:12
with no opportunity to go and lie in the sun,
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他们没有机会躺在太阳下，
17:16
or in the forest, with the dappled sun-specks
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走进森林，躺在大树下
17:19
coming down from the canopy above.
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让斑驳的阳光洒满全身。
17:22
As I was traveling around the world, you know,
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当我环游世界时，
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I had to leave the forest -- that's where I love to be.
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我就得离开森林——那里是我心爱的的地方。
17:28
I had to leave these fascinating chimpanzees
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我就必须告别这些神奇的黑猩猩
17:31
for my students and field staff to continue studying
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我的学生和研究基地的工作人员留下，继续研究
17:35
because, finding they dwindled from about two million
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因为，了解到这些黑猩猩的数量
17:38
100 years ago to about 150,000 now,
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从100年前的200万只减少到如今的15万只，
17:42
I knew I had to leave the forest to do what I could
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我知道，我必须离开丛林，
17:45
to raise awareness around the world.
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尽我所能，提高全世界对这一切的意识程度。
17:47
And the more I talked about the chimpanzees' plight,
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对于黑猩猩的困境介绍得越多，
17:50
the more I realized the fact that everything's interconnected,
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我就越发觉，世界万物都相互依存，
17:55
and the problems of the developing world
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发展中国家的问题
17:57
so often stem from the greed of the developed world,
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常常是源于发达国家的贪婪，
18:00
and everything was joining together, and making -- not sense,
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所有的事都纠缠在一起，到头来却毫无理性，
18:05
hope lies in sense, you said -- it's making a nonsense.
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大家说希望是建立在理性的基础上——但这一切却毫无理性。
18:09
How can we do it?
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我们怎么来面对呢？
18:10
Somebody said that yesterday.
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昨天有人说到这一点，
18:12
And as I was traveling around, I kept meeting young people who'd lost hope.
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我所到之处，也经常见到对未来不存希望的年轻人。
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They were feeling despair,
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他们绝望，
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they were feeling, "Well, it doesn't matter what we do;
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他们说：“不管我们做什么都无所谓。
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eat, drink and be merry, for tomorrow we die.
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吃喝玩乐就好，反正总有一死。
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Everything is hopeless -- we're always being told so by the media."
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一切都没有希望——媒体一直这样向我们灌输。”
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And then I met some who were angry,
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我也遇到一些愤怒的人，
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and anger that can turn to violence,
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这些愤怒会转为暴力，
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and we're all familiar with that.
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我们对此也很熟悉。
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And I have three little grandchildren,
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我自己有三个小孙子，
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and when some of these students would say to me
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每当有些高中生或大学生跟我聊，
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at high school or university, they'd say, "We're angry,"
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他们说：“我们很愤怒，”
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or "We're filled with despair, because we feel
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或者是，“我们很绝望，
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you've compromised our future, and there's nothing we can do about it."
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因为你们霸占了我们的未来，而我们对此无能为力。”
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And I looked in the eyes of my little grandchildren,
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我会看着我的孙儿的眼睛，
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and think how much we've harmed this planet since I was their age.
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想当我像他们那么小，一直到现在，人类对地球造成了多少伤害
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I feel this deep shame, and that's why in 1991 in Tanzania,
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我非常惭愧，所以1991年在坦桑尼亚，
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I started a program that's called Roots and Shoots.
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我启动了“根与芽”这个项目。
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There's little brochures all around outside,
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外面有我们的小宣传册，
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and if any of you have anything to do with children and care about their future,
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如果大家关心孩子们的未来，想与孩子们一起做些什么，
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I beg that you pick up that brochure.
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请大家拿一本宣传册看看。
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And Roots and Shoots is a program for hope.
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“根与芽”是一个希望工程。
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Roots make a firm foundation.
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“根”是坚实的基础。
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Shoots seem tiny,
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“芽”看上去虽小，
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but to reach the sun they can break through brick walls.
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但是，为了阳光它可以钻透砖墙。
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See the brick walls as all the problems
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把砖墙看作我们
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that we've inflicted on this planet.
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给地球带来的问题。
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Then, you see, it is a message of hope.
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这样一来，瞧，这就是希望的讯息。
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Hundreds and thousands of young people around the world
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世界上，成千上万的年轻人
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can break through, and can make this a better world.
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能够取得突破，让世界变得更好。
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And the most important message of Roots and Shoots
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“根与芽”要传递的信息中，最重要的是
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is that every single individual makes a difference.
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每一个人都可以做出贡献。
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Every individual has a role to play.
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每一个人在此都有自己的角色。
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Every one of us impacts the world around us everyday,
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每天我们中的每个人都在影响着世界，
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and you scientists know that you can't actually --
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在座的科学家们都知道，不可能有人对世界没有影响——
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even if you stay in bed all day, you're breathing oxygen
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即使你天天躺在床上，你也在吸入氧气
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and giving out CO2, and probably going to the loo,
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呼出二氧化碳，你也会去上厕所，
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and things like that --
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还有其他类似的事情。
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you're making a difference in the world.
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每一个人都在影响着我们的世界。
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So, the Roots and Shoots program
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所以，“根与芽”组织
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involves youth in three kinds of projects.
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召集青年人，致力于三种项目。
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And these are projects to make the world around them a better place.
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这些项目目的是改变世界，让世界变得更好。
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One project to show care and concern for your own human community.
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一个项目是关怀自己所属的社区。
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One for animals, including domestic animals -- and I have to say,
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另一个是关爱动物，包括家养动物——我必须要说，
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I learned everything I know about animal behavior
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我早就对动物行为谙熟于心
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even before I got to Gombe and the chimps from my dog, Rusty,
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早在我去贡贝前，我的狗鲁斯比就教给我这些知识，
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who was my childhood companion.
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它是我童年的伙伴。
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And the third kind of project: something for the local environment.
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第三类项目，是关心当地环境
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So what the kids do depends first of all, how old are they --
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孩子们具体做些什么，是根据他们的年纪而定——
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and we go now from pre-school right through university.
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小的有学前班的孩子，大的有大学生。
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It's going to depend whether they're inner-city or rural.
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还要看他们住在哪里，是城市还是乡村。
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It's going to depend if they're wealthy or impoverished.
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此外还依据他们的家庭状况是富裕还是贫穷。
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It's going to depend which part, say, of America they're in.
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还要根据他们住在美国的哪部分。
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We're in every state now, and the problems in Florida
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美国的每个州都有我们的分支机构
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are different from the problems in New York.
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弗罗里达的问题就跟纽约的不同。
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It's going to depend on which country they're in --
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我们还要依照不同国家，制定不同的具体任务——
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and we're already in 60-plus countries, with about 5,000 active groups --
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至今，我们拥有5000个活跃的团队，覆盖了60余个国家——
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and there are groups all over the place that I keep hearing about
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有些团队的所在地的地名我以前从来没听说过
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that I've never even heard of, because the kids are taking the program
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正是因为有了这些孩子的积极参与，
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and spreading it themselves.
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推广项目，我才听说这些地方。
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Why?
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他们为什么参与？
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Because they're buying into it,
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因为他们接受这种信念，
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and they're the ones who get to decide what they're going to do.
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他们要自己决定自己的未来。
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It isn't something that their parents tell them,
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这并不是父母，亦或是老师
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or their teachers tell them.
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要他们去做的事。
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That's effective, but if they decide themselves,
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听师长的话，也许会更方便，但是如果由孩子们自己来做决定，
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"We want to clean this river
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“我们要清洁这条河，
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and put the fish back that used to be there.
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让原本居住在这儿的鱼回来。
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We want to clear away the toxic soil
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我们要将这个地区的有毒土壤清理干净，
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from this area and have an organic garden.
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使它变成有机花园。
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We want to go and spend time with the old people
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我们要多花些时间陪老年人，
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and hear their stories and record their oral histories.
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听他们讲故事，记录下他们口述的历史。
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We want to go and work in a dog shelter.
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我们要去犬类收养中心工作，
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We want to learn about animals. We want ... "
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我们要了解各种动物。我们还要...”
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You know, it goes on and on, and this is very hopeful for me.
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各位，我无法历数所有这些。在我看来，这就是希望。
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As I travel around the world 300 days a year,
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一年中有300天我都在世界的某一个角落旅行，
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everywhere there's a group of Roots and Shoots of different ages.
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那些地方都有不同年龄的人参与的“根与芽”项目。
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Everywhere there are children with shining eyes saying,
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所到之处，都有孩子睁着闪亮的眼睛，告诉我：
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"Look at the difference we've made."
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“看看我们做出的变化。”
22:24
And now comes the technology into it,
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现在我们有了高科技的帮助，
22:26
because with this new way of communicating electronically
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因为有了这种新的电子交流方式
22:31
these kids can communicate with each other around the world.
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孩子们可以跨越大洋相互交流。
22:35
And if anyone is interested to help us, we've got so many ideas
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如果任何人有兴趣给我们帮助，而且我们的确有很多的想法
22:38
but we need help -- we need help to create the right kind of system
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需要帮助才能得以实现。
22:44
that will help these young people to communicate their excitement.
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我们需要创造更适合年轻人交流心声的平台。
22:48
But also -- and this is so important -- to communicate their despair,
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但同样重要的是，让他们倾诉自己的失望，让他们可以说出：
22:53
to say, "We've tried this and it doesn't work, and what shall we do?"
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“我们试过了，可这样行不通，该怎么办？”
22:56
And then, lo and behold, there's another group answering these kids
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马上，就会有另一个小组给这些孩子提供解答
23:00
who may be in America, or maybe this is a group in Israel,
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他们可能在美国，也许是在以色列，
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saying, "Yeah, you did it a little bit wrong. This is how you should do it."
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说：“是的，你这里做错了一点。你应该这么做。”
23:08
The philosophy is very simple.
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其中的哲学其实很简单。
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We do not believe in violence.
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我们反对暴力。
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No violence, no bombs, no guns.
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不需要暴力，不要炸弹，不要枪支。
23:17
That's not the way to solve problems.
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这不是解决问题的方法。
23:19
Violence leads to violence, at least in my view.
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至少在我看来，暴力只能导致暴力。
23:23
So how do we solve?
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那我们要怎样解决问题呢？
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The tools for solving the problems are knowledge and understanding.
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知识和理解，就是我们解决问题的工具。
23:30
Know the facts, but see how they fit in the big picture.
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了解真相，同时了解真相在全局中的位置。
23:33
Hard work and persistence --don't give up --
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努力和坚持——不要放弃——
23:36
and love and compassion leading to respect for all life.
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爱和同情心能引导我们尊重所有的生命。
23:41
How many more minutes? Two, one?
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我还有几分钟？两分钟，一分钟？
23:43
Chris Anderson: One -- one to two.
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克里斯•安得森：一到两分钟。
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Jane Goodall: Two, two, I'm going to take two.
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珍妮•古道尔：两分钟，我需要两分钟。
23:47
(Laughter)
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（笑声）
23:48
Are you going to come and drag me off?
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你们会冲上了把我拉下去吗？
23:50
(Laughter)
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（笑声）
23:52
Anyway -- so basically, Roots and Shoots
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总而言之，“根与芽”正在
23:56
is beginning to change young people's lives.
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改变年轻人的生活。
23:59
It's what I'm devoting most of my energy to.
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这正是我倾注大部分精力的工作。
24:03
And I believe that a group like this can have a very major impact,
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我相信TED可以有非常重要的影响，
24:10
not just because you can share technology with us,
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这不是因为我们可以分享技术，
24:13
but because so many of you have children.
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而是因为你们中的许多人都有孩子。
24:16
And if you take this program out, and give it to your children,
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如果你愿意回家后，将我们的项目告诉你们的孩子，
24:21
they have such a good opportunity to go out and do good,
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那么他们就可以有一个极好的机会走出家门，做一些有意义的事，
24:25
because they've got parents like you.
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因为他们有像你们这样的父母。
24:27
And it's been so clear how much you all care
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而且一切也都证明，大家都十分关注这个问题
24:31
about trying to make this world a better place.
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关注如何让这个世界变得更好。
24:33
It's very encouraging.
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这让人深受鼓舞。
24:35
But the kids do ask me --
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但是孩子们的确会问我——
24:37
and this won't take more than two minutes, I promise --
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我保证，我不会超过两分钟了——
24:39
the kids say, "Dr. Jane, do you really have hope for the future?
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有孩子会说：“珍妮博士，你对未来真的抱有希望？
24:44
You travel, you see all these horrible things happening."
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你去过很多地方，见过那么多可怕的事。”
24:48
Firstly, the human brain -- I don't need to say anything about that.
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第一，人类的大脑——关于此我不必说什么。
24:52
Now that we know what the problems are around the world,
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如今我们了解了世界各地存在的问题，
24:55
human brains like yours are rising to solve those problems.
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拥有诸位这样的大脑的人都会开始思考如何解决那些问题。
24:59
And we've talked a lot about that.
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对此，我们已经说过了很多。
25:01
Secondly, the resilience of nature.
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第二，大自然可以自我修复。
25:04
We can destroy a river,
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我们可以摧毁一条河，
25:06
and we can bring it back to life.
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我们也可以使它恢复生机。
25:08
We can see a whole area desolated,
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一片土地变为荒芜，
25:13
and it can be brought back to bloom again, with time or a little help.
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但只要有时间和一点帮助，它也可以重新变得生机盎然。
25:18
And thirdly, the last speaker talked about -- or the speaker before last,
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第三，上一个发言者，也许往前数第二个，
25:24
talked about the indomitable human spirit.
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提及了人类不屈不挠的精神。
25:27
We are surrounded by the most amazing people
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我们周围有许多从不气馁的人们，
25:31
who do things that seem to be absolutely impossible.
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他们做成了许多看似不可能的工作。
25:35
Nelson Mandela -- I take a little piece of limestone
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比如说尼尔森·曼得拉——我从罗本岛监狱拿了一块石灰石
25:38
from Robben Island Prison, where he labored for 27 years,
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在那儿，曼得拉被监禁并劳作了27年，
25:41
and came out with so little bitterness, he could lead his people
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他出狱后并不是心怀怨恨，而是领导人民，
25:46
from the horror of apartheid without a bloodbath.
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用和平的方式走出了可怕的种族隔离。
25:49
Even after the 11th of September -- and I was in New York
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即使在911之后——那时我在纽约，非常害怕——
25:53
and I felt the fear -- nevertheless, there was so much human courage,
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我也感受到了恐慌——但是仍有那么多人，充满了勇气，
25:59
so much love and so much compassion.
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充满了爱和同情心。
26:02
And then as I went around the country after that and felt the fear --
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在那之后，我去了美国的其他地区，感受到了人们的恐惧——
26:06
the fear that was leading to people feeling
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这样的恐惧让人们觉得
26:08
they couldn't worry about the environment any more,
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他们不应再去担心自然环境，
26:10
in case they seemed not to be patriotic --
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只关注恐怖主义，不然他们会看上去不爱国，——
26:13
and I was trying to encourage them,
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当时我尝试着鼓励他们，
26:15
somebody came up with a little quotation from Mahatma Gandhi,
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有人走来告诉我一句圣雄甘地的话，
26:18
"If you look back through human history,
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“回顾人类历史，
26:21
you see that every evil regime has been overcome by good."
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一切恶势力终究被正义战胜。”
26:25
And just after that a woman brought me this little bell,
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然后，一个女士给了我这个小铃铛，
26:29
and I want to end on this note.
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我想以这作为结束。
26:31
She said, "If you're talking about hope and peace, ring this.
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她告诉我，“每当你说到希望和和平，就摇摇它。
26:36
This bell is made from metal from a defused landmine,
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这个铃铛是由一个拆除引信的地雷造的，
26:42
from the killing fields of Pol Pot --
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它来自波尔布特的屠杀战场——
26:45
one of the most evil regimes in human history --
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那人类历史中最为罪恶的政权之一——
26:48
where people are now beginning to put their lives back together
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现在，这个政权已经垮台，
26:52
after the regime has crumbled.
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那里的人们正恢复正常生活。
26:55
So, yes, there is hope, and where is the hope?
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所以，是的，希望是有的，那希望在哪儿呢？
26:59
Is it out there with the politicians?
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希望在政治家那儿吗？
27:03
It's in our hands.
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希望在我们的手中。
27:05
It's in your hands and my hands
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希望在你手中，在我手中，
27:07
and those of our children.
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在孩子们的手中。
27:09
It's really up to us.
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一切的确由我们决定。
27:11
We're the ones who can make a difference.
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只有我们，才能带来改变。
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If we lead lives where we consciously leave
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如果我们在日常生活中，
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the lightest possible ecological footprints,
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尽量留下最轻的生态足迹，
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if we buy the things that are ethical for us to buy
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如果我们只购买该买的东西
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and don't buy the things that are not,
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不买不该买的东西，
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we can change the world overnight.
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我们可以一夜之间改变世界。
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Thank you.
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谢谢
ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Jane Goodall - Primatologist; environmentalistJane Goodall, dubbed by her biographer "the woman who redefined man," has changed our perceptions of primates, people, and the connection between the two. Over the past 45 years, Goodall herself has also evolved -- from steadfast scientist to passionate conservationist and humanitarian.
Why you should listen
Jane Goodall hasn't exactly found the missing link, but she's come closer than just about anyone else on Earth. Her extensive research into the behavior of chimpanzees, which started in Africa in the 1960s and continues today, fundamentally altered scientific thinking about the relationship between humans and other mammals.
Goodall, who founded a research institute in her name in 1977, is an internationally recognized authority on the primate world. She's written books for adults and children, contributed to documentaries, and serves as a National Geographic explorer-in-residence, a United Nations peace messenger, and the president of Advocates for Animals. For her efforts to observe and preserve all species, Goodall has received honors and accolades from governments, nonprofits, universities, and professional organizations, including a medal from UNESCO and the French Legion of Honor in 2006.
Jane Goodall | Speaker | TED.com