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Sarah Kaminsky - Actor and writer
Sarah Kaminsky writes about her father, Adolfo Kaminsky, a forger with a mission.

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Born in 1979 in Algeria, of an Argentinean father with Russian origins, and a Tuareg Algerian mother, Sarah Kaminsky arrived in France when she was 3 years old. Passionate about art since her childhood, she started learning the cello at age 4. As a teenager, she discovered two passions, which are still vibrant in her life: theater and writing. Since then, she's shared her time between her acting career and writing screenplays, plays or books.

In 2009, Sarah wrote a book worthy of the best spy novels, based on the true story of her father, Adolfo Kaminsky, genius-forger who committed his know-how and convictions to serve the French Resistance during World War II, saving thousands of Jewish families, and many others over the course of 30 years for various causes around the world.

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TEDxParis 2010

Sarah Kaminsky: My father the forger

莎拉.康明斯基(Sarah Kaminsky):我的父親是個偽造文書專家

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莎拉.康明斯基和我們分享一個精彩的故事,關於她父親,也關於他在第二次世界大戰期間所從事的活動,他用偽造的才能拯救無數生命。這段演講在TEDxParis是以法語演說,英文字幕和原文稍有差異。
- Actor and writer
Sarah Kaminsky writes about her father, Adolfo Kaminsky, a forger with a mission. Full bio

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I am the daughter女兒 of a forger鍛工,
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我是個偽造者的女兒
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not just any forger鍛工 ...
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但他不是一般偽造者
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When you hear the word "forger鍛工," you often經常 understand理解 "mercenary僱傭兵."
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一般聽到「偽造者」,都會想到貪圖錢財的騙子
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You understand理解 "forged偽造的 currency貨幣," "forged偽造的 pictures圖片."
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想到「偽幣」、「偽畫」
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My father父親 is no such這樣 man.
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我父親不是這種人
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For 30 years年份 of his life,
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他的人生中有三十年
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he made製作 false papers文件 --
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在偽造文書
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never for himself他自己, always for other people,
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但從不為自己,都是為別人而做
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and to come to the aid援助 of the persecuted迫害 and the oppressed壓迫.
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幫助遭受迫害的人
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Let me introduce介紹 him.
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容我向你們介紹他
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Here is my father父親 at age年齡 19.
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這是我父親19歲的照片
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It all began開始 for him during World世界 War戰爭 IIII,
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他的偽造生涯始於第二次大戰
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when at age年齡 17 he found發現 himself他自己 thrust推力
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17歲的他意外投身一間工廠
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into a forged偽造的 documents文件 workshop作坊.
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那是間偽造文書的工廠
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He quickly很快 became成為 the false papers文件 expert專家 of the Resistance抵抗性.
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他很快就成為抵抗運動方的偽造文書專家
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And it's not a banal平庸 story故事 --
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這可不是一般老掉牙的故事
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after the liberation解放 he continued繼續
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解放運動之後
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to make false papers文件 until直到 the '70s.
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他繼續偽造文書直到70年代
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When I was a child兒童
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小時候
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I knew知道 nothing about this, of course課程.
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我當然對此一無所知
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This is me in the middle中間 making製造 faces面孔.
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那個在中間扮鬼臉的是我
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I grew成長 up in the Paris巴黎 suburbs郊區
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我在巴黎近郊長大
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and I was the youngest最年輕的 of three children孩子.
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是家中三個孩子的老么
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I had a "normal正常" dad like everybody每個人 else其他,
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我和所有人一樣,有個「平凡」的父親
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apart距離 from the fact事實 that he was 30 years年份 older舊的 than ...
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只不過他比別人父親老了30歲
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well, he was basically基本上 old enough足夠 to be my grandfather祖父.
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基本上他的年紀足以當我祖父
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Anyway無論如何, he was a photographer攝影師 and a street educator教育家,
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總之,他是個攝影師,也是我家的教育者
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and he always taught us to obey遵守 the law very strictly嚴格.
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他總是教導我們要嚴守法律
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And, of course課程, he never talked about his past過去 life
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當然,他不曾談過自己的過去
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when he was a forger鍛工.
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偽造文書的那些日子
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There was, however然而, an incident事件 I'm going to tell you about,
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不過我等等要說的這個小插曲
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that perhaps也許 could have led me suspect疑似 something.
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應該就是我開始懷疑一些事情的契機
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I was in high school學校 and got a bad grade年級,
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我讀高中時,有一次作業成績不好
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a rare罕見 event事件 for me,
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這對我來說很少見
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so I decided決定 to hide隱藏 it from my parents父母.
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所以我決定要隱瞞父母
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In order訂購 to do that, I set out to forge鍛造 their signature簽名.
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因此,我著手開始偽造他們的簽名
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I started開始 working加工 on my mother's母親 signature簽名,
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我決定偽造我母親的簽名
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because my father's父親的 is absolutely絕對 impossible不可能 to forge鍛造.
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因為我父親的百分之百不可能模仿成功
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So, I got working加工. I took some sheets床單 of paper
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接著我開始動工,拿來好幾疊紙
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and started開始 practicing, practicing, practicing,
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不斷練習、練習、再練習
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until直到 I reached到達 what I thought was a steady穩定 hand,
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直到我覺得已經夠順手了
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and went into action行動.
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便付諸行動
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Later後來, while checking檢查 my school學校 bag,
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不久之後,我媽媽檢查我的書包
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my mother母親 got hold保持 of my school學校 assignment分配 and immediately立即 saw that the signature簽名 was forged偽造的.
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看了我的學校作業,馬上發現了簽名是假的
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She yelled大叫 at me like she never had before.
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於是我挨罵了,之前她從沒那麼兇罵我
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I went to hide隱藏 in my bedroom臥室, under the blankets毯子,
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我躲進房間,窩進毛毯
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and then I waited等待 for my father父親 to come back from work
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等我父親工作回來
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with, one could say, much apprehension顧慮.
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可以說,我真的很害怕
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I heard聽說 him come in.
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我聽到他回家的聲音
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I remained保持 under the blankets毯子. He entered進入 my room房間,
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我仍然窩在毯子裡,而他進了我房間
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satSAT on the corner of the bed,
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坐在我的床角上
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and he was silent無聲, so I pulled the blanket from my head,
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他沒有說話,所以我把毯子從頭上拉下來
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and when he saw me he started開始 laughing.
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他看到我就對我大笑
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He was laughing so hard, he could not stop and he was holding保持 my assignment分配 in his hand.
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他笑得不能自己、停不下來,手上還拿著我的作業
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Then he said, "But really, Sarah莎拉, you could have worked工作 harder更難! Can't you see it's really too small?"
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接著說:「不過莎拉,說真的,你應該再多用點心,不覺得你簽得太小了嗎?」
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Indeed確實, it's rather small.
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的確,我簽得很小
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I was born天生 in Algeria阿爾及利亞.
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我在阿爾及利亞出生
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There I would hear people say my father父親 was a "moudjahidmoudjahid"
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常聽到有人說我父親是個moudjahid
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and that means手段 "fighter戰鬥機."
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也就是「戰士」的意思
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Later後來 on, in France法國, I loved喜愛 eavesdropping竊聽 on grownups'大人' conversations對話,
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後來在法國,我愛上偷聽大人談話
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and I would hear all sorts排序 of stories故事 about my father's父親的 previous以前 life,
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也就能聽到各式各樣我父親早年的故事
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especially特別 that he had "doneDONE" World世界 War戰爭 IIII,
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尤其他曾「參予」二次大戰的部分
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that he had "doneDONE" the Algerian阿爾及利亞人 war戰爭.
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他「參予」過阿爾及利亞戰爭
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And in my head I would be thinking思維 that "doing" a war戰爭 meant意味著 being存在 a soldier士兵.
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我認為「參予」戰爭,應該就是當士兵的意思吧
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But knowing會心 my father父親, and how he kept不停 saying that he was a pacifist和平主義者 and non-violent非暴力,
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但因為熟知我父親的為人,加上他不斷強調自己是和平主義和反暴力者
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I found發現 it very hard to picture圖片 him with a helmet頭盔 and gun.
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我發現很難想像他戴鋼盔、背著槍的樣子
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And indeed確實, I was very far from the mark標記.
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的確,我猜的離真相可遠了
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One day, while my father父親 was working加工 on a file文件
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某天我父親在處理一份卷宗
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for us to obtain獲得 French法國 nationality國籍,
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要讓我們取得法國國籍
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I happened發生 to see some documents文件
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我湊巧看到了一些文件
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that caught抓住 my attention注意.
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引起我的注意
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These are real真實!
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這些護照是真的
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These are mine, I was born天生 an Argentinean阿根廷.
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兩本都是我的護照,我是阿根廷裔法國人
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But the document文件 I happened發生 to see
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我看到的那份文件
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that would help us build建立 a case案件 for the authorities當局
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讓我們能得到法國官方承認
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was a document文件 from the army軍隊
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是軍隊所發的
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that thanked感謝 my father父親 for his work
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這要多虧我父親在工作之餘
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on behalf代表 of the secret秘密 services服務.
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做了點額外的秘密服務
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And then, suddenly突然, I went "wow!"
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發現之後,我說「哇」
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My father父親, a secret秘密 agent代理人?
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我爸爸難道是個情報員?
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It was very James詹姆士 Bond.
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這真的很像詹姆士龐德做的事
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I wanted to ask him questions問題, which哪一個 he didn't answer回答.
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我想問他好多問題,那些他不曾回答的問題
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And later後來, I told myself that
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之後,我告訴自己
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one day I would have to question him.
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總有一天,我得好好問他
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And then I became成為 a mother母親 and had a son兒子,
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後來我成為了母親,育有一子
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and finally最後 decided決定 it was time -- that he absolutely絕對 had to talk to us.
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才終於下了決心,是時候讓他說明白了
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I had become成為 a mother母親
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我當媽媽時
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and he was celebrating慶祝 his 77th birthday生日,
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他正好過77歲生日
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and suddenly突然 I was very, very afraid害怕.
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我突然很害怕
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I feared害怕 he'd他會 go
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我怕他會突然離開
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and take his silences沉默 with him,
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把他的沉默帶走
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and take his secrets秘密 with him.
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也把他的秘密帶走
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I managed管理 to convince說服 him that it was important重要 for us,
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我說服他,他的故事
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but possibly或者 also for other people
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不單對我們很重要
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that he shared共享 his story故事.
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也可能對其他人很重要
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He decided決定 to tell it to me
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他才決定告訴我
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and I made製作 a book,
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我把這些事寫成一本書
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from which哪一個 I'm going to read you some excerpts摘錄 later後來.
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我要跟各位分享一些書中的片段
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So, his story故事. My father父親 was born天生 in Argentina阿根廷.
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我父親的故事從他在阿根廷出生開始
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His parents父母 were of Russian俄語 descent降落.
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他的雙親是俄國人的後代
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The whole整個 family家庭 came來了 to settle解決 in France法國 in the '30s.
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他們家在30年代搬來法國定居
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His parents父母 were Jewish猶太, Russian俄語 and above以上 all, very poor較差的.
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他父母是俄國人,也是猶太人,而且很窮
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So at the age年齡 of 14 my father父親 had to work.
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所以我父親14歲就得工作
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And with his only diploma文憑,
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他唯一的文憑
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his primary education教育 certificate證書,
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就是小學畢業證書
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he found發現 himself他自己 working加工 at a dyer戴爾 - dry cleaner清潔器.
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他在染坊工作
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That's where he discovered發現 something totally完全 magical神奇,
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在那兒,他發現了一種魔法
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and when he talks會談 about it, it's fascinating迷人 --
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他說到這裡時一臉陶醉
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it's the magic魔法 of dyeing染色 chemistry化學.
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他發現的魔法就是染色化學
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During that time the war戰爭 was happening事件
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他母親在戰時遭到殺害
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and his mother母親 was killed殺害 when he was 15.
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當時他15歲
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This coincided恰逢 with the time when
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在這段期間裡
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he threw himself他自己 body身體 and soul靈魂 into chemistry化學
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他將身心都投入了染色化學之中
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because it was the only consolation安慰 for his sadness.
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因為唯有這樣才能減輕他的哀痛
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All day he would ask many許多 questions問題 to his boss老闆
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他整天追著老闆問問題
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to learn學習, to accumulate積累 more and more knowledge知識,
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學習累積更多更多的知識
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and at night, when no one was looking,
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晚間四下無人時
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he'd他會 put his experience經驗 to practice實踐.
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他便將所學付諸實踐
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He was mostly大多 interested有興趣 in ink墨水 bleaching.
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他對漂白墨水最有興趣
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All this to tell you
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到這裡我想說的是
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that if my father父親 became成為 a forger鍛工, actually其實,
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其實我父親會成為一個偽造文書專家
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it was almost幾乎 by accident事故.
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完全是意外
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His family家庭 was Jewish猶太, so they were hounded追捕.
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由於他家是猶太人,所以當時被人追捕
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Finally最後 they were all arrested被捕 and taken採取 to the Drancy德朗西 camp
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最後全家都被逮捕,送進德蘭西營
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and they managed管理 to get out at the last minute分鐘 thanks謝謝 to their Argentinean阿根廷 papers文件.
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直到最後一秒多虧阿根廷的身份文件,他們才得以離開
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Well, they were out,
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可是他們逃出來後
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but they were always in danger危險. The big "Jew" stamp郵票 was still on their papers文件.
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卻仍然處於危險之中,因為身份文件上有大大的猶太人印記
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It was my grandfather祖父 who decided決定 they needed需要 false documents文件.
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於是我祖父決定他們需要假身份文件
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My father父親 had been instilled灌輸 with such這樣 respect尊重 for the law
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我父親從小被灌輸要遵守法律
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that although雖然 he was being存在 persecuted迫害,
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所以雖然遭受迫害
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he'd他會 never thought of false papers文件.
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他也不曾想過要偽造文書
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But it was he who went to meet遇到 a man from the Resistance抵抗性.
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不過他還是去見了從事抵抗運動的人
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In those times documents文件 had hard covers蓋子,
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那時候的身份公文都是硬殼裝
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they were filled填充 in by hand,
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手工把文書夾入
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and they stated聲明 your job工作.
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上面要寫你的職業
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In order訂購 to survive生存, he needed需要
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我父親為了生活得要工作
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to be working加工. He asked the man
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他要那個人在職業上寫了
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to write "dyer戴爾."
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染坊工人
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Suddenly突然 the man looked看著 very, very interested有興趣.
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那人突然看起來很有興趣的樣子
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As a "dyer戴爾," do you know how to bleach漂白 ink墨水 marks分數?
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問他,你是染坊工人,知道怎麼漂白墨水印嗎?
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Of course課程 he knew知道.
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我父親當然知道
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And suddenly突然 the man started開始 explaining說明 that
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那人隨即開始解釋
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actually其實 the whole整個 Resistance抵抗性 had a huge巨大 problem問題:
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其實抵抗運動團體有一個大難題
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even the top最佳 experts專家
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連一流專家也搞不定
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could not manage管理 to bleach漂白 an ink墨水, called "indelible不可磨滅,"
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那就是漂白一種人稱「去不掉」的
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the "Waterman沃特曼" blue藍色 ink墨水.
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藍色「華德曼」墨水
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And my father父親 immediately立即 replied回答 that he knew知道 exactly究竟
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我爸爸馬上回答他知道
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how to bleach漂白 it.
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怎麼去掉這種墨水印
06:46
Now, of course課程, the man was very impressed印象深刻 with this young年輕 man of 17
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這下子,那人當然對這位17歲的年輕人感到很驚艷
06:49
who could immediately立即 give him the formula, so he recruited應徵 him.
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因為他立刻能交出配方洗掉墨水,所以我父親就被徵召了
06:53
And actually其實, without knowing會心 it, my father父親 had invented發明 something
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其實就算不知道配方,我父親早已發明了一件東西
06:56
we can find in every一切 schoolchild's小學生的 pencil鉛筆 case案件:
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我們可以在每個學童的鉛筆盒裡找到它
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the so-called所謂 "correction更正 pen鋼筆."
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那就是「修正液」
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(Applause掌聲)
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(掌聲)
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But it was only the beginning開始.
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不過這只是開始
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That's my father父親.
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這是我父親
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As soon不久 as he got to the lab實驗室,
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他一進到實驗室
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even though雖然 he was the youngest最年輕的,
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雖然在裡面他年紀最輕
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he immediately立即 saw that there was a problem問題 with the making製造 of forged偽造的 documents文件.
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他馬上發現那兒在製作假文書上有個問題
07:16
All the movements運動 stopped停止 at falsifying竄貨.
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所有流程到竄改的關卡都陷入停擺
07:19
But demand需求 was ever-growing不斷增長
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需求卻有增無減
07:22
and it was difficult to tamper篡改 with existing現有 documents文件.
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可是光處理手邊的文件都很費時了
07:24
He told himself他自己 it was necessary必要 to make them from scratch.
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他告訴自己一切得從頭做起
07:26
He started開始 a press. He started開始 photoengraving製版.
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他開始做印刷機,開始照相製板
07:29
He started開始 making製造 rubber橡膠 stamps郵票.
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開始做橡皮章
07:30
He started開始 inventing發明了 all kind of things --
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開始發明各種必需品
07:32
with some materials物料 he invented發明 a centrifuge離心分離機 using運用 a bicycle自行車 wheel.
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他用腳踏車輪等材料發明了離心機
07:35
Anyway無論如何, he had to do all this
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總之,他什麼都做了
07:37
because he was completely全然 obsessed痴迷 with output產量.
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因為他很在乎輸出的成果
07:40
He had made製作 a simple簡單 calculation計算:
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他粗略估計
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In one hour小時 he could make 30 forged偽造的 documents文件.
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一小時能製作三十份偽造文件
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If he slept one hour小時, 30 people would die.
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所以只要他睡一小時,就可能有30人死亡
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This sense of
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他才17歲
07:53
responsibility責任 for other people's人們 lives生活 when he was just 17 --
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就已經背負了拯救人命的責任感
07:56
and also his guilt有罪 for being存在 a survivor倖存者,
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同時他也懷有作為倖存者的罪惡感
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since以來 he had escaped逃脫 the camp when his friends朋友 had not --
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因為當年他成功逃走了,他的朋友卻沒有逃掉
08:03
stayed with him all his life.
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責任及罪惡感終生與他為伍
08:05
And this is maybe what explains說明 why, for 30 years年份,
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這或許可以解釋為什麼三十年內
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he continued繼續 to make false papers文件
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他不停偽造文件
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at the expense費用 of all kinds of sacrifices犧牲.
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不計一切犧牲代價
08:13
I'd like to talk about those sacrifices犧牲,
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我想談談他付出的那些代價
08:14
because there were many許多.
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因為實在太多了
08:16
There were obviously明顯 financial金融 sacrifices犧牲
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顯見的是經濟上的犧牲
08:18
because he always refused拒絕 to be paid支付.
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因為他總是拒絕收錢
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To him, being存在 paid支付 would have meant意味著 being存在 a mercenary僱傭兵.
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對他來說,拿了錢就等於是在詐財
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If he had accepted公認 payment付款,
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一旦他收了錢
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he wouldn't不會 be able能夠 to say "yes" or "no"
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他就沒有權利談要接受或拒絕
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depending根據 on what he deemed認為 a just or unjust不公 cause原因.
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那些在他看來不正當的案子
08:28
So he was a photographer攝影師 by day,
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他白天照相製板
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and a forger鍛工 by night for 30 years年份.
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晚上偽造文件,三十年來天天如此
08:32
He was broke打破 all of the time.
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一直是經濟拮据
08:34
Then there were the emotional情緒化 sacrifices犧牲:
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他也付出了情感上的代價
08:37
How can one live生活 with a woman女人 while having so many許多 secrets秘密?
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一個身負重多秘密的人要如何和妻子共處?
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How can one explain說明 what one does at night in the lab實驗室, every一切 single night?
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如何去解釋他每晚在實驗室裡在做些什麼?
08:44
Of course課程, there was another另一個 kind of sacrifice犧牲
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還有一種代價少不了的
08:47
involving涉及 his family家庭 that I understood了解 much later後來.
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就是犧牲他的家庭,這我後來才明白
08:51
One day my father父親 introduced介紹 me to my sister妹妹.
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某天我父親讓我和姊姊相認
08:54
He also explained解釋 to me that I had a brother哥哥, too,
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同時他跟我說,我還有個哥哥
08:58
and the first time I saw them I must必須 have been three or four,
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我想我多半3、4歲時曾初次見過他們
09:04
and they were 30 years年份 older舊的 than me.
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他們比我年長三十多歲
09:06
They are both in their sixties六十年代 now.
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現在都六十幾歲了
09:11
In order訂購 to write the book,
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為了寫這本書
09:14
I asked my sister妹妹 questions問題. I wanted to know who my father父親 was,
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我問了姊姊一些問題,我想知道我父親的事
09:17
who was the father父親 she had known已知.
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想知道父親在她眼中是怎樣的人
09:19
She explained解釋 that the father父親 that she'd had
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她說,她認識的父親
09:23
would tell them he'd他會 come and pick them up on Sunday星期日 to go for a walk步行.
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會告訴他們星期天要來帶他們去走走
09:27
They would get all dressed連衣裙的 up and wait for him,
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為此他們總盛裝打扮等著父親
09:30
but he would almost幾乎 never come.
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可是父親幾乎都食言了
09:32
He'd他會 say, "I'll call." He wouldn't不會 call.
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他說「等我的電話」,卻總等不到
09:35
And then he would not come.
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後來他也沒回家
09:37
Then one day he totally完全 disappeared消失.
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從某天起父親就真的不見蹤影
09:40
Time passed通過,
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時光飛逝
09:42
and they thought he had surely一定 forgotten忘記了 them,
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起初,孩子們都以為
09:45
at first.
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父親已經忘了他們
09:46
Then as time passed通過,
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又過了一段時間
09:48
at the end結束 of almost幾乎 two years年份, they thought,
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幾乎快過了兩年,他們想
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"Well, perhaps也許 our father父親 has died死亡."
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「父親可能過世了吧」
09:53
And then I understood了解
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我這才發現
09:55
that asking my father父親 so many許多 questions問題
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我問了父親許多問題
09:58
was stirring攪拌 up a whole整個 past過去 he probably大概 didn't feel like talking about
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都會讓他想起那些過去,他大概不想多談的事情
10:01
because it was painful痛苦.
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因為太痛苦了
10:03
And while my half brother哥哥 and sister妹妹 thought they'd他們會 been abandoned,
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在我的異母兄姐認為自己被遺棄
10:07
orphaned,
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成了孤兒的時候
10:09
my father父親 was making製造 false papers文件.
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我父親其實在偽造文書
10:11
And if he did not tell them, it was of course課程 to protect保護 them.
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他不告訴兒女,當然是想保護他們
10:15
After the liberation解放 he made製作 false papers文件
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解放運動後他繼續偽造文書
10:17
to allow允許 the survivors倖存者 of concentration濃度 camps營地 to immigrate移民 to Palestine巴勒斯坦
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幫助集中營的倖存者在以色列建國前
10:20
before the creation創建 of Israel以色列.
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移民到巴勒斯坦
10:22
And then, as he was a staunch堅定 anti-colonialist反殖民主義,
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再者,由於他忠實擁護反殖民主義者
10:24
he made製作 false papers文件 for Algerians阿爾及利亞人 during the Algerian阿爾及利亞人 war戰爭.
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他也在阿爾及利亞戰爭期間幫助該國人偽造文書
10:27
After the Algerian阿爾及利亞人 war戰爭,
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阿爾及利亞戰爭過後
10:30
at the heart of the international國際 resistance抵抗性 movements運動,
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由於他身處國際反抗運動核心
10:33
his name名稱 circulated流傳
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他的名字傳遍了世界
10:34
and the whole整個 world世界 came來了 knocking敲門 at his door.
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全世界的人都求助於他
10:37
In Africa非洲 there were countries國家 fighting戰鬥 for their independence獨立:
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當時非洲有許多國家發動獨立戰爭
10:40
Guinea幾內亞, Guinea-Bissau幾內亞比紹, Angola安哥拉.
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包括幾內亞、幾內亞比索、安哥拉
10:43
And then my father父親 connected連接的 with Nelson納爾遜 Mandela's曼德拉 anti-apartheid反種族隔離 party派對.
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我父親於是和曼德拉的反種族隔離派聯繫
10:48
He made製作 false papers文件 for persecuted迫害 black黑色 South Africans非洲人.
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他替被迫害的南非黑人偽造文書
10:51
There was also Latin拉丁 America美國.
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同樣,在拉丁美洲
10:53
My father父親 helped幫助 those who resisted抵制 dictatorships獨裁
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我父親幫助拒絕獨裁政權的人民
10:56
in the Dominican多明尼加 Republic共和國, Haiti海地,
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這些人來自多明尼加共和國和海地
10:58
and then it was the turn of Brazil巴西, Argentina阿根廷, Venezuela委內瑞拉, El薩爾瓦多 Salvador薩爾瓦多, Nicaragua尼加拉瓜,
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後來更幫助了巴西、阿根廷、委內瑞拉、薩爾瓦多、尼加拉瓜
11:04
Colombia哥倫比亞, Peru秘魯, Uruguay烏拉圭, Chile智利 and Mexico墨西哥.
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哥倫比亞、秘魯、烏拉圭、智利和墨西哥等國人民
11:09
Then there was the Vietnam越南 War戰爭.
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越戰時期
11:11
My father父親 made製作 false papers文件 for the American美國 deserters逃兵
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我父親替美國逃兵偽造文書
11:13
who did not wish希望 to take up arms武器 against反對 the Vietnamese越南.
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因為這些人不希望拿起武器和越南人交戰
11:16
Europe歐洲 was not spared倖免 either.
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在歐洲也不例外
11:18
My father父親 made製作 false papers文件 for the dissidents持不同政見者
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我父親替異議份子偽造文書
11:21
against反對 Franco佛朗哥 in Spain西班牙, Salazar薩拉薩爾 in Portugal葡萄牙,
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反抗西班牙的佛朗哥
11:24
against反對 the colonels'上校“ dictatorship專政 in Greece希臘,
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抵抗希臘的獨裁殖民政權
11:29
and even in France法國.
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甚至在法國也是
11:31
There, just once一旦, it happened發生 in May可能 of 1968.
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有一次,在1968年五月的時候
11:34
My father父親 watched看著, benevolently仁慈, of course課程,
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我父親以慈悲之心
11:37
the demonstrations示威 of the month of May可能,
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關注整個五月示威的進展
11:40
but his heart was elsewhere別處, and so was his time
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同時他也心繫他方,當時其他人也是
11:42
because he had over 15 countries國家 to serve服務.
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因為有超過15個國家的人民需要我父親的服務
11:45
Once一旦, though雖然, he agreed約定 to make false papers文件
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有一次他答應要為一個人偽造文件
11:48
for someone有人 you might威力 recognize認識.
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那個人你們應該也認識
11:50
(Laughter笑聲)
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(笑聲)
11:53
He was much younger更年輕 in those days,
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那時候他還很年輕
11:54
and my father父親 agreed約定 to make false papers文件
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我父親答應了要幫他偽造文件
11:56
to enable啟用 him to come back and speak說話 at a meeting會議.
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讓他能夠回國,在一個會議上發言
11:59
He told me that those false papers文件 were the most media-relevant媒體相關
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父親告訴我,這些假文件是他做過媒體最感興趣
12:04
and the least最小 useful有用 he'd他會 had to make in all his life.
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也是最無用武之地的一件案子
12:08
But, he agreed約定 to do it,
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但他仍答應要做
12:09
even though雖然 Daniel丹尼爾 Cohn-Bendit's科恩 - 本迪特的 life was not in danger危險,
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雖然Daniel Cohn-Bendit並沒有生命危險
12:13
just because
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他答應的唯一理由
12:15
it was a good opportunity機會
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就是要藉這個機會
12:16
to mock嘲笑 the authorities當局,
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好好戲弄一下掌權人士
12:19
and to show顯示 them that there's nothing more porous多孔 than borders國界 --
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讓他們看到,沒什麼比各國國境更漏洞百出了
12:22
and that ideas思路 have no borders國界.
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而且這個想法舉世皆然
12:26
All my childhood童年,
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我的整個童年
12:28
while my friends'朋友' dads爸爸 would tell them Grimm's格林 fairy仙女 tales故事,
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當朋友的爸爸都在講格林童話的故事
12:32
my father父親 would tell me stories故事 about very unassuming謙遜 heroes英雄
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我父親告訴我的,都是無名英雄的故事
12:36
with unshakeable雷打不動 utopias烏托邦
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而且毫無置疑充滿烏托邦色彩
12:39
who managed管理 to make miracles奇蹟.
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那些英雄都締造了奇蹟
12:42
And those heroes英雄 did not need an army軍隊 behind背後 them.
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而他們身後都不需要軍隊的支持
12:46
Anyhow無論如何, nobody沒有人 would have followed其次 them,
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總之,沒有人會追隨他們
12:49
except for a handful少數 [of] men男人 and women婦女 of conviction定罪 and courage勇氣.
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只有小部份有信念和勇氣的男男女女會跟隨他們
12:52
I understood了解 much later後來
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很久以後我才明白
12:53
that actually其實 it was his own擁有 story故事 my father父親 would tell me to get me to sleep睡覺.
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父親講的床邊故事,正是他自己的故事
12:57
I asked him whether是否, considering考慮 the sacrifices犧牲 he had to make,
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我問他,考慮到他所付出的犧牲
13:00
he ever had any regrets遺憾.
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他是否曾後悔過
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He said no.
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他說,他不曾後悔
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He told me that he would have been unable無法
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他告訴我,若他當初什麼都沒做
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to witness見證 or submit提交 to injustice不公正 without doing anything.
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就不能見證這一切,或者就向不公義投降了
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He was persuaded說服了, and he's still convinced相信
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他當時就確信,而現在依然堅信
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that another另一個 world世界 is possible可能 --
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我們能擁有不一樣的世界
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a world世界 where no one would ever need a forger鍛工.
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而這個世界裡沒有人需要人幫忙偽造身分
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He's still dreaming做夢 about it.
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這依然是他的夢想
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My father父親
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我的父親
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is here in the room房間 today今天.
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今天就在現場
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His name名稱 is Adolfo阿道夫 Kaminsky卡明斯基 and I'm going to ask him to stand up.
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他叫作Adolfo Kaminsky,我要請他站起來
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(Applause掌聲)
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(掌聲)
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Thank you.
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謝謝你
Translated by SHU-AN WU
Reviewed by Ann Lee

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ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Sarah Kaminsky - Actor and writer
Sarah Kaminsky writes about her father, Adolfo Kaminsky, a forger with a mission.

Why you should listen

Born in 1979 in Algeria, of an Argentinean father with Russian origins, and a Tuareg Algerian mother, Sarah Kaminsky arrived in France when she was 3 years old. Passionate about art since her childhood, she started learning the cello at age 4. As a teenager, she discovered two passions, which are still vibrant in her life: theater and writing. Since then, she's shared her time between her acting career and writing screenplays, plays or books.

In 2009, Sarah wrote a book worthy of the best spy novels, based on the true story of her father, Adolfo Kaminsky, genius-forger who committed his know-how and convictions to serve the French Resistance during World War II, saving thousands of Jewish families, and many others over the course of 30 years for various causes around the world.

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Sarah Kaminsky | Speaker | TED.com

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