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Sue Klebold: My son was a Columbine shooter. This is my story
蘇．科萊柏德: 我的兒子是科倫拜高中槍擊案兇手。這是我的故事。
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蘇·克萊伯德是迪倫·克萊伯德的母親。迪倫為科倫拜高中槍擊屠殺案的兇手之一，殺了 12 名學生及 1 名老師。她花了幾年的時間挖出家庭生活的細節，試著了解她到底能做什麼，才能防止兒子的暴行。克萊伯德在這場非常艱難、令人動容的演講中，探討精神健康與暴力行為的交會點，並向家長及專業人士倡導，要繼續研討自殺念頭與謀殺念頭的關聯。
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00:26
The last time I heard my son's voice
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我最後一次聽到兒子的聲音，
00:28
was when he walked out the front door
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是他走出大門
00:30
on his way to school.
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準備去學校的時候。
00:33
He called out one word in the darkness:
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他在黑暗中大喊了一個字：
00:36
"Bye."
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「掰！」
00:38
It was April 20, 1999.
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那天是 1999 年四月二十日。
00:41
Later that morning,
at Columbine High School,
at Columbine High School,
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後來那天早上在科倫拜高中，
00:44
my son Dylan and his friend Eric
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我的兒子迪倫和他的朋友
艾瑞克在自殺之前，
艾瑞克在自殺之前，
00:47
killed 12 students and a teacher
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殺害了十二名學生及一名老師
00:51
and wounded more than 20 others
before taking their own lives.
before taking their own lives.
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並傷了超過二十個人。
00:56
Thirteen innocent people were killed,
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十三位無辜的人被殺，
00:59
leaving their loved ones
in a state of grief and trauma.
in a state of grief and trauma.
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留給他們摯愛的人悲慟與創傷。
01:03
Others sustained injuries,
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其他受傷的人，
01:05
some resulting in disfigurement
and permanent disability.
and permanent disability.
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有的毀容或終身殘疾。
01:10
But the enormity of the tragedy
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但這滔天巨難，
01:12
can't be measured only by the number
of deaths and injuries that took place.
of deaths and injuries that took place.
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無法僅用傷亡的數字來衡量。
01:17
There's no way to quantify
the psychological damage
the psychological damage
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我們無法量化
01:21
of those who were in the school,
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當時在校的人，
01:23
or who took part
in rescue or cleanup efforts.
in rescue or cleanup efforts.
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或參與搶救及善後的人
所受到的心理傷害。
所受到的心理傷害。
01:27
There's no way to assess
the magnitude of a tragedy like Columbine,
the magnitude of a tragedy like Columbine,
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我們無法評估像科倫拜
這種慘劇的嚴重性，
這種慘劇的嚴重性，
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especially when it can be a blueprint
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特別是它之後成為
01:33
for other shooters who go on
to commit atrocities of their own.
to commit atrocities of their own.
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其他槍手起而效尤的藍圖。
01:38
Columbine was a tidal wave,
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科倫拜的事件就像一股浪潮，
01:41
and when the crash ended,
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在巨大的衝擊過後，
01:42
it would take years
for the community and for society
for the community and for society
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被影響的社區及社會要花好多年
01:46
to comprehend its impact.
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才能理解這波衝擊的影響。
01:49
It has taken me years
to try to accept my son's legacy.
to try to accept my son's legacy.
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我花了好多年去試著
接受兒子遺留下來的慘劇。
接受兒子遺留下來的慘劇。
01:54
The cruel behavior
that defined the end of his life
that defined the end of his life
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他在結束生命前所做的殘酷行為，
01:57
showed me that he was a completely
different person from the one I knew.
different person from the one I knew.
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讓我了解這不是我所認識的他。
02:02
Afterwards people asked,
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在那之後有人問：
02:05
"How could you not know?
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「你怎麼可能不知道？
02:07
What kind of a mother were you?"
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你是什麼樣的母親？」
02:10
I still ask myself those same questions.
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我至今仍問自己同樣的問題。
02:14
Before the shootings,
I thought of myself as a good mom.
I thought of myself as a good mom.
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在槍擊案之前，
我以為自己是好媽媽。
我以為自己是好媽媽。
02:17
Helping my children become caring,
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協助我的孩子成為有愛心、
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healthy, responsible adults
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健康、負責任的大人，
02:22
was the most important role of my life.
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是我生命中最重要的角色。
02:26
But the tragedy convinced me
that I failed as a parent,
that I failed as a parent,
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但是這場悲劇讓我認為
自己是一位失敗的母親，
自己是一位失敗的母親，
02:30
and it's partially this sense of failure
that brings me here today.
that brings me here today.
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而這種失敗的感覺也是
我今天站在這裡的部分原因。
我今天站在這裡的部分原因。
02:36
Aside from his father,
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除了他父親之外，
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I was the one person
who knew and loved Dylan the most.
who knew and loved Dylan the most.
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我是最瞭解最愛迪倫的人。
02:41
If anyone could have known
what was happening,
what was happening,
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如果有人能事先知道會發生什麼，
02:44
it should have been me, right?
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那個人應該是我，對吧？
02:47
But I didn't know.
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但是我不知道。
02:50
Today, I'm here to share the experience
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今天，我在這裡分享
02:52
of what it's like to be the mother
of someone who kills and hurts.
of someone who kills and hurts.
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身為兇手的母親是什麼樣的感覺。
02:57
For years after the tragedy,
I combed through memories,
I combed through memories,
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慘案過後的這些年，
我細細整理記憶，
我細細整理記憶，
03:01
trying to figure out
exactly where I failed as a parent.
exactly where I failed as a parent.
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試著搞清楚我哪裡做錯了，
導致我成為失敗的母親。
導致我成為失敗的母親。
03:05
But there are no simple answers.
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但是這個問題
卻沒有一個簡單的答案。
卻沒有一個簡單的答案。
03:08
I can't give you any solutions.
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我不能給你任何解答。
03:10
All I can do
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我能做的
03:12
is share what I have learned.
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就是分享我所學到的事情。
03:16
When I talk to people
who didn't know me before the shootings,
who didn't know me before the shootings,
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當我對槍案發生前
不認識我的人演講時，
不認識我的人演講時，
03:20
I have three challenges to meet.
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我面對三個挑戰。
03:22
First, when I walk into a room like this,
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第一，當我走進像這樣的演講廳，
03:26
I never know if someone there
has experienced loss
has experienced loss
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我不知道在座是否有人
因為我兒的所作所為，
因為我兒的所作所為，
03:30
because of what my son did.
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而經歷喪親之痛。
03:33
I feel a need to acknowledge the suffering
caused by a member of my family
caused by a member of my family
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我覺得我有必要接受這種
因為我的家人而造成的痛苦，
因為我的家人而造成的痛苦，
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who isn't here to do it for himself.
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即使他現在不能親自做這件事。
03:40
So first, with all of my heart,
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所以首先，若是我的兒子
造成你的痛苦，
造成你的痛苦，
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I'm sorry if my son has caused you pain.
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我全心全意的在此致歉。
03:48
The second challenge I have
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我的第二項挑戰，
03:51
is that I must ask for understanding
and even compassion
and even compassion
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是當我要說我兒子是自殺死的，
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when I talk about
my son's death as a suicide.
my son's death as a suicide.
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我必須請求大家的諒解甚至同情。
03:59
Two years before he died,
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他過世前兩年，
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he wrote on a piece of paper in a notebook
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他在筆記本的紙上寫著
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that he was cutting himself.
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他在割自己。
04:06
He said that he was in agony
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他說他很苦惱
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and wanted to get a gun
so he could end his life.
so he could end his life.
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而且想要找把槍了結自己。
04:11
I didn't know about any of this
until months after his death.
until months after his death.
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我一直到他死後幾個月
才知道這件事情。
才知道這件事情。
04:15
When I talk about his death as a suicide,
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當我說他的死因是自殺時，
04:19
I'm not trying to downplay the viciousness
he showed at the end of his life.
he showed at the end of his life.
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我不是在試著淡化
他在自我了結時顯示的殘酷。
他在自我了結時顯示的殘酷。
04:23
I'm trying to understand
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我是在嘗試瞭解
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how his suicidal thinking
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他的自殺念頭
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led to murder.
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怎麼變成謀殺。
04:30
After a lot of reading
and talking with experts,
and talking with experts,
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在讀了很多文章並跟專家交談後，
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I have come to believe
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我開始相信
04:35
that his involvement in the shootings
was rooted not in his desire to kill
was rooted not in his desire to kill
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他參與這場槍擊案的原因
不是因為他想殺人，
不是因為他想殺人，
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but in his desire to die.
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而是他渴望著死去。
04:43
The third challenge I have
when I talk about my son's murder-suicide
when I talk about my son's murder-suicide
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我談到兒子的「殺人後自盡」
所面臨的第三個挑戰，
所面臨的第三個挑戰，
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is that I'm talking about mental health --
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是我在談心理健康──
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excuse me --
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抱歉──
04:53
is that I'm talking about mental health,
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是我在談心理健康，
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or brain health, as I prefer to call it,
because it's more concrete.
because it's more concrete.
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我比較喜歡稱它為腦部健康，
因為這樣說起來更具體。
因為這樣說起來更具體。
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And in the same breath,
I'm talking about violence.
I'm talking about violence.
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然而緊接著，我又在談暴力。
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The last thing I want to do
is to contribute to the misunderstanding
is to contribute to the misunderstanding
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我最不想做的，
就是對精神疾病已有的成見
就是對精神疾病已有的成見
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that already exists around mental illness.
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再添上一筆成見。
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Only a very small percent of those
who have a mental illness
who have a mental illness
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只有極少比例的精神疾病患者
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are violent toward other people,
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對別人有暴力傾向，
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but of those who die by suicide,
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但是那些自殺的人，
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it's estimated that about 75
to maybe more than 90 percent
to maybe more than 90 percent
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估計有 75%，甚至超過 90%
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have a diagnosable
mental health condition of some kind.
mental health condition of some kind.
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患有可被診斷出的精神問題。
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As you all know very well,
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你們都很清楚，
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our mental health care system
is not equipped to help everyone,
is not equipped to help everyone,
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我們的精神健康照護系統
無法幫助每一個人，
無法幫助每一個人，
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and not everyone with destructive thoughts
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而且不是每一個具破壞性思想的人
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fits the criteria
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都符合
05:41
for a specific diagnosis.
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特定診療標準。
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Many who have ongoing feelings
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很多持續感覺
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of fear or anger or hopelessness
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恐懼或生氣或無望的人，
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are never assessed or treated.
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從未經歷評估或治療。
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Too often, they get our attention
only if they reach a behavioral crisis.
only if they reach a behavioral crisis.
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常見的狀況是，我們在他們
出現行為危機時才會注意到他們。
出現行為危機時才會注意到他們。
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If estimates are correct
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如果估計是正確的，
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that about one
to two percent of all suicides
to two percent of all suicides
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約有百分之一或二的自殺事件中
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involves the murder of another person,
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會涉及謀殺另外一個人。
06:07
when suicide rates rise,
as they are rising for some populations,
as they are rising for some populations,
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現在某些族群中，當自殺率升高時，
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the murder-suicide rates
will rise as well.
will rise as well.
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殺人後自盡的比率也跟著升高。
06:15
I wanted to understand what was going on
in Dylan's mind prior to his death,
in Dylan's mind prior to his death,
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我想了解迪倫
死前腦中到底在想什麼，
死前腦中到底在想什麼，
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so I looked for answers
from other survivors of suicide loss.
from other survivors of suicide loss.
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所以我從自殺倖存者中尋找答案。
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I did research and volunteered
to help with fund-raising events,
to help with fund-raising events,
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我做研究，也去當募款活動志工，
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and whenever I could,
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我一有機會，
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I talked with those who had
survived their own suicidal crisis
survived their own suicidal crisis
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就會跟自殺未遂的人交談。
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or attempt.
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06:39
One of the most helpful
conversations I had
conversations I had
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其中一場極有幫助的交談，
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was with a coworker
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是我的一位同事
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who overheard me talking to someone else
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在我的辦公室隔間
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in my office cubicle.
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無意中聽見我跟別人的談話。
06:47
She heard me say
that Dylan could not have loved me
that Dylan could not have loved me
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她聽到我說迪倫並不愛我，
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if he could do something
as horrible as he did.
as horrible as he did.
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因為他做了這麼可怕的事。
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Later, when she found me alone,
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之後，當她發現沒人在我旁邊時，
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she apologized for overhearing
that conversation,
that conversation,
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她跟我道歉說她偷聽到那場對話，
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but told me that I was wrong.
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然後跟我說我錯了。
07:02
She said that when she was
a young, single mother
a young, single mother
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她說她以前曾是年輕的單親媽媽，
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with three small children,
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並且有三個小孩，
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she became severely depressed
and was hospitalized to keep her safe.
and was hospitalized to keep her safe.
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她變得嚴重抑鬱，
且為了生命安全而住院。
且為了生命安全而住院。
07:13
At the time, she was certain
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那個時候，她很確信
07:15
that her children
would be better off if she died,
would be better off if she died,
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如果她死了，她的小孩會過得更好，
07:18
so she had made a plan to end her life.
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所以她計畫要了結生命。
07:21
She assured me that a mother's love
was the strongest bond on Earth,
was the strongest bond on Earth,
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她跟我保證母愛是世上最強的聯繫，
07:25
and that she loved her children
more than anything in the world,
more than anything in the world,
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她愛她的孩子超過世上任何東西，
07:29
but because of her illness,
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但是因為她的病，
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she was sure that they
would be better off without her.
would be better off without her.
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她確信沒有她他們會過得更好。
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What she said and what
I've learned from others
I've learned from others
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從她所說及我從其他人身上學到的，
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is that we do not make
the so-called decision or choice
the so-called decision or choice
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是我們對所謂
自殺的決定或選擇，
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to die by suicide
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07:45
in the same way
that we choose what car to drive
that we choose what car to drive
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跟我們選擇要開什麼車
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or where to go on a Saturday night.
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或星期六晚上要去哪裡玩不一樣。
07:51
When someone is
in an extremely suicidal state,
in an extremely suicidal state,
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當某人處在極度想自殺的狀態，
07:54
they are in a stage four
medical health emergency.
medical health emergency.
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他們就屬於美國
檢傷分類的「緊急」情況。
檢傷分類的「緊急」情況。
07:59
Their thinking is impaired and they've
lost access to tools of self-governance.
lost access to tools of self-governance.
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他們的思考受損，
並失去自我管理能力。
並失去自我管理能力。
08:05
Even though they can
make a plan and act with logic,
make a plan and act with logic,
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就算他們能制定計畫
並且依照邏輯行動，
並且依照邏輯行動，
08:08
their sense of truth
is distorted by a filter of pain
is distorted by a filter of pain
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他們對真相的感受會被痛苦扭曲，
08:12
through which they
interpret their reality.
interpret their reality.
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並用痛苦的眼光看待現實。
08:15
Some people can be very good
at hiding this state,
at hiding this state,
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有些人很會隱藏這種狀態，
08:19
and they often have
good reasons for doing that.
good reasons for doing that.
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而且他們通常
都有很好的理由這麼做。
都有很好的理由這麼做。
08:23
Many of us have
suicidal thoughts at some point,
suicidal thoughts at some point,
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很多人都曾經有過自殺的念頭，
08:27
but persistent,
ongoing thoughts of suicide
ongoing thoughts of suicide
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但是持續不斷的自殺念頭，
08:30
and devising a means to die
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並且策劃死亡方法
08:32
are symptoms of pathology,
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是一種病徵。
08:35
and like many illnesses,
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這就像許多疾病一樣，
08:37
the condition has to be
recognized and treated
recognized and treated
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我們必須在失去另一條生命前，
08:40
before a life is lost.
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認出並治療這種狀況。
08:43
But my son's death
was not purely a suicide.
was not purely a suicide.
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但是我兒子的死並非單純的自殺。
08:47
It involved mass murder.
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它還牽涉了屠殺。
08:50
I wanted to know how his
suicidal thinking became homicidal.
suicidal thinking became homicidal.
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我想知道他的自殺念頭
怎麼變成濫殺的念頭。
怎麼變成濫殺的念頭。
08:56
But research is sparse
and there are no simple answers.
and there are no simple answers.
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但是這方面的研究很少，
也沒有簡單的答案。
也沒有簡單的答案。
09:01
Yes, he probably had ongoing depression.
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是的，他大概有持續性的憂鬱症。
09:05
He had a personality
that was perfectionistic and self-reliant,
that was perfectionistic and self-reliant,
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他有完美主義及獨立自主的個性，
09:12
and that made him less likely
to seek help from others.
to seek help from others.
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而這些使他不太可能
尋求別人的幫助。
尋求別人的幫助。
09:16
He had experienced
triggering events at the school
triggering events at the school
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他在學校經歷數個導火線事件，
09:20
that left him feeling
debased and humiliated and mad.
debased and humiliated and mad.
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讓他感到被貶低、受辱及憤怒。
09:27
And he had a complicated friendship
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而且他和另一個男生
有複雜的友誼關係，
有複雜的友誼關係，
09:30
with a boy who shared his feelings
of rage and alienation,
of rage and alienation,
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這個同學會和他訴說
他感受到的憤怒及疏離感，
他感受到的憤怒及疏離感，
09:34
and who was seriously disturbed,
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且這個同學受人厭
09:37
controlling and homicidal.
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有控制慾並有殺人的傾向。
09:41
And on top of this period in his life
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在這段他處於
09:44
of extreme vulnerability and fragility,
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極度脆弱狀態的期間，
09:48
Dylan found access to guns
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迪倫有機會取得槍枝，
09:50
even though we'd never
owned any in our home.
owned any in our home.
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即使我們家從來沒有這種東西。
09:53
It was appallingly easy
for a 17-year-old boy to buy guns,
for a 17-year-old boy to buy guns,
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很顯然的，一位 17 歲男孩
非常容易購買槍枝，
非常容易購買槍枝，
09:59
both legally and illegally,
without my permission or knowledge.
without my permission or knowledge.
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無論合法或不合法，
都不需要我的同意或確認。
都不需要我的同意或確認。
10:04
And somehow, 17 years
and many school shootings later,
and many school shootings later,
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17 年過去了，這期間
又發生過許多起校園槍擊案，
又發生過許多起校園槍擊案，
10:10
it's still appallingly easy.
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購買槍枝仍然是件容易的事。
10:14
What Dylan did that day broke my heart,
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迪倫那天所做的事讓我心碎，
10:18
and as trauma so often does,
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就像經歷創傷常常有的後果，
10:20
it took a toll on my body and on my mind.
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它使我身心俱疲。
10:24
Two years after the shootings,
I got breast cancer,
I got breast cancer,
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槍案二年後，我得了乳癌，
10:28
and two years after that,
I began to have mental health problems.
I began to have mental health problems.
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再兩年之後，我開始出現精神問題。
10:33
On top of the constant, perpetual grief
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除了源源不絕的悲痛，
10:36
I was terrified that I would run
into a family member
into a family member
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我還非常害怕會碰到
10:40
of someone Dylan had killed,
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被害人的家屬，
10:42
or be accosted by the press
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或是媒體或忿怒的老百姓來搭話。
10:45
or by an angry citizen.
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10:47
I was afraid to turn on the news,
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我害怕打開新聞，
10:50
afraid to hear myself being called
a terrible parent or a disgusting person.
a terrible parent or a disgusting person.
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好怕聽到我被人叫成
可怕的母親或可憎的人。
可怕的母親或可憎的人。
10:58
I started having panic attacks.
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我開始出現恐慌發作。
11:02
The first bout started
four years after the shootings,
four years after the shootings,
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第一次發作是在槍案後第四年發生，
11:06
when I was getting ready
for the depositions
for the depositions
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當時我準備要作證
11:09
and would have to meet
the victims' families face to face.
the victims' families face to face.
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並與被害人的家屬面對面的相見。
11:12
The second round started
six years after the shootings,
six years after the shootings,
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第二次發作是在槍擊案後第六年，
11:16
when I was preparing
to speak publicly about murder-suicide
to speak publicly about murder-suicide
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當時我準備要在研討會上
11:19
for the first time at a conference.
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公開演說有關於殺人後自盡的事情。
11:22
Both episodes lasted several weeks.
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兩次發作都持續幾個星期。
11:27
The attacks happened everywhere:
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恐慌在任何地方都有可能發作：
11:29
in the hardware store, in my office,
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在五金器材行、辦公室、
11:32
or even while reading a book in bed.
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甚至在床上閱讀都會。
11:35
My mind would suddenly lock
into this spinning cycle of terror
into this spinning cycle of terror
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我的心會突然陷入一陣陣的恐懼，
11:40
and no matter how I hard I tried
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無論我多努力嘗試
11:42
to calm myself down
or reason my way out of it,
or reason my way out of it,
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安撫自己或說服自己脫離恐懼，
11:46
I couldn't do it.
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我就是做不到。
11:49
It felt as if my brain
was trying to kill me,
was trying to kill me,
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這個感覺就像是
我的腦子要把我殺掉，
我的腦子要把我殺掉，
11:52
and then, being afraid of being afraid
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然後，對恐懼的恐懼
11:55
consumed all of my thoughts.
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吞噬了我所有的思考。
11:58
That's when I learned firsthand
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那是我第一次感受到
12:00
what it feels like
to have a malfunctioning mind,
to have a malfunctioning mind,
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有一個無法正常運作的頭腦
是什麼樣的感覺，
是什麼樣的感覺，
12:03
and that's when I truly
became a brain health advocate.
became a brain health advocate.
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這也是促使我成為
腦部健康倡導者的時刻。
腦部健康倡導者的時刻。
12:08
With therapy and medication and self-care,
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透過治療、藥物及自我護理，
12:11
life eventually returned
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生活終於回到
12:13
to whatever could be thought of
as normal under the circumstances.
as normal under the circumstances.
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在當時的情況下能夠
稱為正常的狀態。
稱為正常的狀態。
12:18
When I looked back
on all that had happened,
on all that had happened,
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我回頭看過去發生的一切，
12:20
I could see that my son's
spiral into dysfunction
spiral into dysfunction
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我可以看到我的兒子
12:24
probably occurred
over a period of about two years,
over a period of about two years,
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在大概兩年的時間內急遽失能。
12:28
plenty of time to get him help,
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要是有人知道他需要幫助，
12:31
if only someone had known
that he needed help
that he needed help
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也知道怎麼幫忙他，
12:34
and known what to do.
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兩年其實是一段足夠的時間。
12:40
Every time someone asks me,
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每次有人問我，
12:43
"How could you not have known?",
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「你怎麼可能不知道？」
12:45
it feels like a punch in the gut.
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我就像肚子被狠狠的揍了一拳。
12:48
It carries accusation
and taps into my feelings of guilt
and taps into my feelings of guilt
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這句話帶著指控，
狠狠的刺進我的罪惡感。
狠狠的刺進我的罪惡感。
12:53
that no matter how much therapy I've had
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而無論我去做多少治療，
12:55
I will never fully eradicate.
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也無法完全抹去這個罪惡感。
12:58
But here's something I've learned:
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但是我學到一點：
13:01
if love were enough
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如果愛足以
13:03
to stop someone who is suicidal
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讓某人打消自殺念頭，
13:05
from hurting themselves,
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不去傷害別人，
13:08
suicides would hardly ever happen.
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自殺就不容易發生了。
13:11
But love is not enough,
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但是有愛還不夠，
13:14
and suicide is prevalent.
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而自殺也很普遍。
13:16
It's the second leading cause of death
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自殺是 10 歲到 34 歲的人
13:19
for people age 10 to 34,
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第二大死因。
13:22
and 15 percent of American youth
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而 15% 的美國青少年
13:25
report having made a suicide plan
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表示在過去一年曾有自殺計畫。
13:28
in the last year.
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13:31
I've learned that no matter
how much we want to believe we can,
how much we want to believe we can,
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我學到無論我們
多想相信我們做得到，
多想相信我們做得到，
13:36
we cannot know or control
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我們其實不知道或不能控制
13:38
everything our loved ones think and feel,
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所愛之人的思想及感覺，
13:41
and the stubborn belief
that we are somehow different,
that we are somehow different,
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而我們執著地相信自己跟別人不同，
13:45
that someone we love
would never think of hurting themselves
would never think of hurting themselves
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我們所愛的人絕不會想傷害自己
13:49
or someone else,
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或別人。
13:51
can cause us to miss
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這會讓我們看不見
13:53
what's hidden in plain sight.
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隱藏在光天化日下的事實。
13:56
And if worst case scenarios
do come to pass,
do come to pass,
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如果最壞的情況真的發生了，
14:01
we'll have to learn
to forgive ourselves for not knowing
to forgive ourselves for not knowing
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我們必須學習原諒自己不知道，
14:05
or for not asking the right questions
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或沒有問到對的問題，
14:08
or not finding the right treatment.
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或沒有找到適合的治療方式。
14:12
We should always assume
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我們應該假設某位
14:13
that someone we love may be suffering,
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所愛的人可能正處在痛苦中，
14:16
regardless of what they say
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不論他們說什麼
14:19
or how they act.
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或表現出什麼。
14:21
We should listen with our whole being,
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我們應該用心聽，
14:24
without judgments,
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但不要論斷，
14:26
and without offering solutions.
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也不要給予解決方法。
14:32
I know that I will live with this tragedy,
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我知道我會帶著這個悲劇活下去，
14:35
with these multiple tragedies,
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帶著這些悲劇
14:37
for the rest of my life.
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渡過餘生。
14:40
I know that in the minds of many,
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我知道在許多人心中，
14:46
what I lost can't compare
to what the other families lost.
to what the other families lost.
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我失去的無法
跟其它家庭失去的比較。
跟其它家庭失去的比較。
14:51
I know my struggle
doesn't make theirs any easier.
doesn't make theirs any easier.
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我知道我的掙扎
也不能讓他們好過一點。
也不能讓他們好過一點。
14:56
I know there are even some who think
I don't have the right to any pain,
I don't have the right to any pain,
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我知道有人甚至認為
我根本沒有痛苦的權利，
我根本沒有痛苦的權利，
15:01
but only to a life of permanent penance.
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只有無窮無盡的懺悔。
15:06
In the end what I know comes down to this:
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最後我所認知到的是：
15:10
the tragic fact is that even
the most vigilant and responsible of us
the most vigilant and responsible of us
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不幸的事實是，
我們就算再警覺再負責，
我們就算再警覺再負責，
15:16
may not be able to help,
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也有可能幫不上忙。
15:19
but for love's sake,
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但是為了愛的緣故，
15:22
we must never stop trying
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我們絕不可停止嘗試
15:24
to know the unknowable.
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去了解現實背後的未知情形。
15:26
Thank you.
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謝謝。
15:27
(Applause)
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ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Sue Klebold - ActivistSue Klebold has become a passionate agent working to advance mental health awareness and intervention.
Why you should listen
Sue Klebold is the mother of Dylan Klebold, one of the two shooters at Columbine High School in 1999. Since the massacre, Sue has spent years excavating every detail of her family life, and trying to understand what she could have done to prevent it. In 2016, after years of evading public scrutiny, Klebold published A Mother's Reckoning: Living In the Aftermath of Tragedy, a powerful memoir in which she explores the crucial intersection between mental health and violence. As a passionate advocate for brain health awareness and intervention, she is donating any profits from the book to mental health charities, research and suicide prevention, hoping for solutions that will help parents and professionals spot and thwart signs of trouble.
Sue Klebold | Speaker | TED.com