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Linus Torvalds - Software engineer
In 1991, Linus Torvalds shared the Linux kernel with a few computer hobbyists. The operating system they built reshaped the software industry.

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Fascinated by the economy and elegance of experimental operating system Minix, computer scientist Linus Torvalds wrote an operating system kernel and shared it with independent programmers. The system that they fleshed out and released in 1994 -- Linux -- was remarkable not only for its utility and efficiency but also for the collaboration of its community.

Now enjoying mainstream respectability (and the support of the computer industry), Linux runs on the servers of Amazon, Google, and much of the wired world. As the sole arbiter of code for the Linux Foundation (which he characteristically downplays by saying “the only power I have is to say ‘no’”), Torvalds quietly inspires open-source projects worldwide.

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Linus Torvalds: The mind behind Linux

Linus Torvalds: A mente detrás de Linux

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Linus Torvalds transformou a tecnoloxía dúas veces: primeiro, co núcleo de Linux, que axuda a soster Internet, e despois co Git, o sistema de xestión de código fonte usado por programadores en todo o mundo. Nunha rara entrevista co comisario do TED, Chris Anderson, Torvalds discute, cunha franqueza extraordinaria, os trazos de personalidade que impulsan a súa singular filosofía de traballo, enxeñaría e vida. "Non son un visionario, son un enxeñeiro" di Torvalds. "Alégrome moito polas persoas que pasean mirando para as nubes... pero eu miro para o chan e quero arranxar as fochas que teño en fronte de min, antes de caer nelas."
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In 1991, Linus Torvalds shared the Linux kernel with a few computer hobbyists. The operating system they built reshaped the software industry. Full bio

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Chris Anderson: Isto é raro.
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Chris Anderson: This is such
a strange thing.
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O teu software, Linux, está
en millóns de ordenadores,
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Your software, Linux,
is in millions of computers,
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it probably powers much of the Internet.
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e probablemente sostén
unha boa parte de Internet.
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And I think that there are, like,
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E creo que hai como
00:24
a billion and a half active
Android devices out there.
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un millón e medio de dispositivos
Android activos por aí.
00:27
Your software is in every
single one of them.
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O teu software está en cada un deles.
É abraiante.
00:30
It's kind of amazing.
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Debes ter unha central de software
impresionante dirixindo isto.
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You must have some amazing
software headquarters driving all this.
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That's what I thought -- and I was shocked
when I saw a picture of it.
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Iso é o que pensei. E quedei perplexo
cando vin unha foto.
Quero dicir, isto é...
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I mean, this is --
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this is the Linux world headquarters.
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isto é a sede central do mundo Linux.
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(Laughter)
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(Risos)
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(Applause)
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(Aplausos)
Linus Torvalds: Realmente,
non parece gran cousa.
00:49
Linus Torvalds: It really
doesn't look like much.
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00:52
And I have to say,
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E teño que dicir,
00:53
the most interesting part in this picture,
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a parte máis interesante da foto,
00:57
that people mostly react to,
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a que provoca máis reaccións
é o escritorio coa cinta de camiñar.
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is the walking desk.
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01:00
It is the most interesting
part in my office
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É a parte máis interesante da miña oficina
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and I'm not actually using it anymore.
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e, en realidade, xa non a uso.
01:05
And I think the two things are related.
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Penso que as dúas cousas
están relacionadas.
01:09
The way I work is ...
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A forma en que traballo é...
01:13
I want to not have external stimulation.
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Eu non quero ter estímulos externos.
01:18
You can kind of see,
on the walls are this light green.
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Podedes velo,
as paredes son de cor verde clara.
01:23
I'm told that at mental institutions
they use that on the walls.
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Dixéronme que a usan nas paredes
das clínicas de saúde mental.
01:27
(Laughter)
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(Risos)
É unha cor calmante,
01:29
It's like a calming color,
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01:30
it's not something
that really stimulates you.
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non é algo que te estimula.
O que non podes ver é o ordenador,
só vemos a pantalla,
01:35
What you can't see is the computer here,
you only see the screen,
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but the main thing I worry
about in my computer is --
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pero o que máis me interesa
do meu ordenador é
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it doesn't have to be big
and powerful, although I like that --
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--non ten que ser grande e potente,
aínda que me gusta iso--
01:46
it really has to be completely silent.
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ten que ser completamente silencioso.
Coñezo persoas que traballan para Google
01:49
I know people who work for Google
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01:52
and they have their own
small data center at home,
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e teñen unha pequena
central de datos na casa,
eu non fago iso.
01:55
and I don't do that.
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A miña oficina é a máis
aburrida que podedes imaxinar.
01:56
My office is the most
boring office you'll ever see.
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02:00
And I sit there alone in the quiet.
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Sento alí só en silencio.
Se o gato aparece,
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If the cat comes up,
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it sits in my lap.
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senta no meu colo.
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And I want to hear the cat purring,
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E quero oír o gato ronronar,
02:10
not the sound of the fans in the computer.
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non o son dos ventiladores do ordenador.
02:13
CA: So this is astonishing,
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CA: Isto é asombroso,
02:14
because working this way,
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porque traballando así
02:17
you're able to run this vast
technology empire --
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es capaz de xestionar este
grande imperio tecnolóxico,
02:20
it is an empire --
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é un imperio.
É un testemuño abraiante
do poder do código aberto.
02:21
so that's an amazing testament
to the power of open source.
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02:25
Tell us how you got
to understand open source
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Dinos como chegaches a
pensar no código aberto
02:29
and how it lead
to the development of Linux.
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e como iso levou ao
desenvolvemento de Linux.
LT: Eu aínda traballo só.
02:33
LT: I mean, I still work alone.
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02:35
Really -- I work alone in my house,
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Realmente, eu traballo só na miña casa,
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often in my bathrobe.
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a miúdo en bata.
02:40
When a photographer shows up, I dress up,
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Cando aparece un fotógrafo, vístome
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so I have clothes on.
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e levo roupa posta.
02:43
(Laughter)
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(Risos)
E así é como traballei sempre.
02:45
And that's how I've always worked.
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I mean, this was how I started Linux, too.
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É dicir, así tamén é como iniciei Linux.
02:49
I did not start Linux
as a collaborative project.
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Non iniciei Linux
como un proxecto colaborativo.
02:53
I started it as one
in a series of many projects
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Inicieino como un entre varios proxectos
02:57
I had done at the time for myself,
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que fixen no seu momento para min mesmo.
En parte, porque precisaba o resultado
03:01
partly because I needed the end result,
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pero aínda máis porque
o pasaba ben programando.
03:03
but even more because I just
enjoyed programming.
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So it was about the end of the journey,
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Así que tiña que ver coa fin da viaxe
03:10
which, 25 years later,
we still have not reached.
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que, 25 anos máis tarde,
aínda non atinximos.
03:13
But it was really about the fact
that I was looking for a project on my own
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Pero, realmente, o feito é que
buscaba un proxecto pola miña conta
03:17
and there was no open source,
really, on my radar at all.
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e non había ningún código
aberto no meu radar.
03:21
And what happened is ...
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E o que ocorreu é...
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the project grows and becomes something
you want to show off to people.
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o proxecto medrou e chegou a ser algo
que ti queres mostrarlle á xente.
03:30
Really, this is more of a, "Wow,
look at what I did!"
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Realmente, isto é algo do tipo "Uau,
mira o que fixen!"
03:34
And trust me -- it was not
that great back then.
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E creme, non era tan estupendo daquela.
Eu fíxeno público
03:38
I made it publicly available,
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pero daquela aínda non era código aberto.
03:40
and it wasn't even
open source at that point.
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Nese momento, era código que estaba
aberto pero sen intención
03:42
At that point it was source that was open,
but there was no intention
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behind using the kind of open-source
methodology that we think of today
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de usar o tipo de metodoloxía
de código aberto en que pensamos hoxe
para melloralo.
03:52
to improve it.
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Era máis do tipo:
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It was more like,
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"Mirade, estiven traballando nisto
durante medio ano,
03:54
"Look, I've been working
on this for half a year,
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gustaríame que o comentásedes."
03:58
I'd love to have comments."
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E houbo xente que se achegou a min.
04:00
And other people approached me.
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04:03
At the University of Helsinki,
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Na Universidade de Helsinki,
04:04
I had a friend who was one
of the open source --
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tiña un amigo que era un dos
do código aberto.
04:08
it was called mainly
"free software" back then --
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Daquela, chamábase principalmente
"software libre".
04:12
and he actually introduced me
to the notion that, hey,
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De feito, foi el quen me
suxeriu a idea de "Ei,
04:16
you can use these open-source
licenses that had been around.
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podes usar estas licenzas
de código aberto que andan por aí".
04:24
And I thought about it for a while.
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E estíveno pensando.
04:26
I was actually worried about the whole
commercial interests coming in.
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Eu estaba preocupado de verdade
sobre os intereses comerciais.
04:29
I mean, that's one of the worries
I think most people who start out have,
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Quero dicir, esa é unha das preocupacións
que penso que a maioría da xente ten,
04:34
is that they worry about somebody
taking advantage of their work, right?
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a preocupación de que alguén
saque partido do seu traballo, non?
04:39
And I decided, "What the hell?"
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E decidín: "Que diaños?"
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And --
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E...
04:44
CA: And then at some point,
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CA: E nun momento dado,
04:46
someone contributed
some code that you thought,
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alguén achegou algún código e pensaches:
04:48
"Wow, that really is interesting,
I would not have thought of that.
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"Uau, isto é moi interesante,
a min non se me ocorrería.
Pode ser unha mellora."
04:51
This could actually improve this."
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LT: Nin sequera comezou cando
a xente achegou código,
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LT: It didn't even start
by people contributing code,
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it was more that people
started contributing ideas.
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foi máis ben cando a xente
comezou a achegar ideas.
E o feito de que alguén
lle bote un ollo ao teu proxecto
04:59
And just the fact that somebody else
takes a look at your project --
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and I'm sure it's true
of other things, too,
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--estou seguro de que tamén
é así noutras cousas,
05:05
but it's definitely true in code --
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pero sen dúbida éo no código--
05:07
is that somebody else
takes an interest in your code,
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significa que alguén máis
ten interese no teu código,
05:10
looks at it enough to actually
give you feedback
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mírao abondo como para facer observacións
05:13
and give you ideas.
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e achegar ideas.
05:15
That was a huge thing for me.
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E iso resultoume impresionante.
05:17
I was 21 at the time, so I was young,
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Eu tiña 21 anos, así que era novo
05:20
but I had already programmed
for half my life, basically.
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pero xa levaba programando
a metade da miña vida.
05:24
And every project before that
had been completely personal
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E todos os proxectos antes diso
foran completamente persoais
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and it was a revelation when people
just started commenting,
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e foi unha revelación que a xente
comezase a comentar
05:31
started giving feedback on your code.
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e a facerme observacións sobre o código.
05:34
And even before they started
giving code back,
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E mesmo antes de que comezaran
a enviar código de volta,
05:38
that was, I think, one of the big
moments where I said,
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ese foi, penso, un dos grandes
momentos en que dixen:
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"I love other people!"
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"Encántanme as persoas!"
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Don't get me wrong --
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Non me entendades mal,
05:44
I'm actually not a people person.
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en realidade, non son sociable.
05:46
(Laughter)
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(Risos)
05:49
I don't really love other people --
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A verdade é que non
me encantan as persoas.
05:52
(Laughter)
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(Risos)
05:53
But I love computers,
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Pero encántanme os ordenadores,
05:54
I love interacting with other
people on email,
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encántame interactuar
por correo electrónico,
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because it kind of gives you that buffer.
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porque che dá unha especie de protección.
06:00
But I do love other people who comment
and get involved in my project.
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Pero tamén me encanta que a xente
comente e se involucre no meu proxecto.
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And it made it so much more.
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E iso fíxose moito máis grande.
06:09
CA: So was there a moment
when you saw what was being built
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CA: Houbo un momento,
cando viches que todo o construido
06:12
and it suddenly started taking off,
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de súpeto empezaba a despegar,
06:14
and you thought, "Wait a sec,
this actually could be something huge,
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en que pensaches: "Espera,
isto pode ser algo moi grande,
non só un proxecto persoal no
que recibo interesantes observacións
06:17
not just a personal project
that I'm getting nice feedback on,
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senón unha especie de desenvolvemento
explosivo no mundo da tecnoloxía?
06:20
but a kind of explosive development
in the whole technology world"?
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LT: A verdade é que non.
06:25
LT: Not really.
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É dicir, o importante para min non foi
cando se converteu en algo enorme,
06:27
I mean, the big point for me, really,
was not when it was becoming huge,
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06:30
it was when it was becoming little.
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foi cando se converteu en algo pequeno.
O importante para min foi non estar só,
06:33
The big point for me was not being alone
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06:37
and having 10, maybe 100
people being involved --
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foi ter 10, quizais 100 persoas
involucradas.
06:40
that was a big point.
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Iso foi algo grande.
06:42
Then everything else was very gradual.
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Todo o resto foi gradual.
06:45
Going from 100 people to a million people
is not a big deal -- to me.
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Pasar de 100 persoas a un millón
non é gran cousa, para min.
06:49
Well, I mean, maybe it is if you're --
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Ben, quero dicir, quizais o sexa se es...
06:51
(Laughter)
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(Risos)
se o que queres é vender os resultados
entón é un gran negocio,
06:52
If you want to sell your result
then it's a huge deal --
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06:55
don't get me wrong.
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non me entendades mal.
06:56
But if you're interested in the technology
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Pero se estás interesado na tecnoloxía
e estás interesado no proxecto,
06:58
and you're interested in the project,
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a parte importante é chegar á comunidade.
07:00
the big part was getting the community.
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Despois, a comunidade medrou gradualmente
07:02
Then the community grew gradually.
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07:04
And there's actually not
a single point where I went like,
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e non houbo un momento concreto
en que eu dixese:
"Uau, isto acaba de despegar!" porque
07:08
"Wow, that just took off!" because it --
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I mean -- it took a long time, relatively.
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lle levou bastante tempo, relativamente.
07:13
CA: So all the technologists
that I talk to really credit you
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CA: Todos os técnicos cos que falo
atribúenche os méritos
07:16
with massively changing their work.
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de mudar drasticamente o seu traballo.
07:19
And it's not just Linux,
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E non é só por Linux,
07:21
it's this thing called Git,
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tamén é por iso chamado Git,
07:22
which is this management system
for software development.
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que é un sistema de xestión para
o desenvolvemento de software.
07:26
Tell us briefly about that
and your role in that.
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Fálanos brevemente diso e do teu papel.
LT: Un dos problemas que tiñamos,
07:30
LT: So one of the issues we had,
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07:32
and this took a while to start to appear,
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que tardou un tempo en aparecer,
07:35
is when you ...
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é cando ti...
Cando medras desde 10 persoas
ou 100 traballando nun proxecto
07:37
When you grow from having 10 people
or 100 people working on a project
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07:43
to having 10,000 people, which --
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ata 10 000 persoas,
07:45
I mean, right now we're in the situation
where just on the kernel,
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é dicir, agora mesmo estamos
nunha situación onde só no núcleo
07:48
we have 1,000 people involved
in every single release
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hai 1 000 persoas involucradas
en cada lanzamento
07:52
and that's every two months,
roughly two or three months.
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e iso ocorre cada 2 meses,
uns 2 ou 3 meses.
Algunhas desas persoas non fan moito.
07:56
Some of those people don't do a lot.
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07:58
There's a lot of people
who make small, small changes.
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Hai moita xente que fai
cambios moi pequenos.
08:01
But to maintain this,
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Pero para manter isto,
08:03
the scale changes how
you have to maintain it.
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a escala cambia o xeito de mantelo.
08:06
And we went through a lot of pain.
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E pasámolo moi mal.
Hai proxectos enteiros que só
fan código de mantemento.
08:10
And there are whole projects
that do only source-code maintenance.
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08:17
CVS is the one that used to be
the most commonly used,
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O CVS adoitaba ser un dos máis usados,
08:20
and I hated CVS with a passion
and refused to touch it
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e eu odiaba o CVS apaixonadamente
e rexeitei tocalo,
08:24
and tried something else
that was radical and interesting
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intentei outra cousa que era
radical e interesante
08:27
and everybody else hated.
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e o resto da xente odiouna.
08:31
CA: (Laughs)
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CA: (Risos)
08:32
LT: And we were in this bad spot,
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LT: E estabamos nun mal momento,
08:34
where we had thousands of people
who wanted to participate,
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con miles de persoas
que querían participar
08:37
but in many ways,
I was the kind of break point,
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pero de moitos xeitos
eu era o punto de equilibrio
08:42
where I could not scale to the point
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e non podía multiplicarme
08:44
where I could work
with thousands of people.
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para poder traballar con miles de persoas.
08:47
So Git is my second big project,
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Así que Git é o meu segundo gran proxecto,
08:50
which was only created for me
to maintain my first big project.
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que creei só para manter
o meu primeiro gran proxecto.
E así, literalmente, é como traballo.
08:55
And this is literally how I work.
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08:57
I don't code for --
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Non programo para,
09:00
well, I do code for fun --
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ben, eu programo por diversión,
09:01
but I want to code
for something meaningful
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pero quero programar
para algo que teña sentido
09:04
so every single project I've ever done
has been something I needed
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así que cada proxecto que fixen
tiña que ver con algo que eu precisaba
09:08
and --
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e...
09:09
CA: So really, both Linux
and Git kind of arose
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CA: Así que, en realidade, tanto
Linux como Git xurdiron
09:13
almost as an unintended consequence
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case como unha consecuencia involuntaria
09:15
of your desire not to have
to work with too many people.
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do desexo de non traballar con xente.
LT: Totalmente. Si.
09:18
LT: Absolutely. Yes.
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09:19
(Laughter)
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(Risos)
09:20
CA: That's amazing.
LT: Yeah.
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CA: É abraiante.
LT: Si.
09:22
(Applause)
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(Aplausos)
E aínda así, es a persoa
que transformou a tecnoloxía
09:23
And yet, you're the man
who's transformed technology
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09:27
not just once but twice,
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non só unha vez senón dúas,
09:28
and we have to try
and understand why it is.
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e queremos intentar entender por que.
09:31
You've given us some clues, but ...
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Déchesnos algunhas pistas, pero...
09:32
Here's a picture of you as a kid,
with a Rubik's Cube.
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Aquí hai unha foto túa de neno
cun cubo de Rubik.
09:37
You mentioned that you've been
programming since you were like 10 or 11,
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Mencionaches que estiveches programando
desde que tiñas 10 ou 11 anos,
09:41
half your life.
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a metade da túa vida.
09:43
Were you this sort of computer
genius, you know, übernerd,
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Eras unha especie de xenio
dos ordenadores, un cerebriño?
a estrela da escola
capaz de facer calquera cousa?
09:46
were you the star at school
who could do everything?
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Como eras de pequeno?
09:49
What were you like as a kid?
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09:52
LT: Yeah, I think I was
the prototypical nerd.
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LT: Si, penso que era
o "nerd" prototípico.
09:54
I mean, I was ...
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É dicir, era...
Non era sociable daquela.
09:57
I was not a people person back then.
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09:59
That's my younger brother.
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Este é o meu irmán pequeno.
10:01
I was clearly more interested
in the Rubik's Cube
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Eu estaba claramente
máis interesado no cubo de Rubik
10:04
than my younger brother.
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que no meu irmán pequeno.
10:06
(Laughter)
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(Risos)
A miña irmá pequena, que non está na foto,
10:07
My younger sister,
who's not in the picture,
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10:10
when we had family meetings --
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cando tiñamos reunións familiares,
10:12
and it's not a huge family, but I have,
like, a couple of cousins --
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e non é unha familia grande
pero teño un par de primos,
10:16
she would prep me beforehand.
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ela preparábame con antelación.
10:19
Like, before I stepped
into the room she would say,
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Antes de que entrara na sala, ela dicía:
"Ben. É así e así..."
10:22
"OK. That's so-and-so ..."
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10:25
Because I was not --
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Porque eu non era...
10:28
I was a geek.
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Eu era un "geek".
10:29
I was into computers,
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Andaba con ordenadores,
10:30
I was into math,
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andaba coas matemáticas,
10:31
I was into physics.
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andaba coa física.
10:33
I was good at that.
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Dábanseme ben.
10:34
I don't think I was
particularly exceptional.
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Non creo que fora algo excepcional.
10:37
Apparently, my sister said
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Polo visto, a miña irmá dixo
10:39
that my biggest exceptional quality
was that I would not let go.
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que a miña calidade máis excepcional
era a de non renderme.
10:47
CA: OK, so let's go there,
because that's interesting.
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CA: Ben, imos aí porque é interesante.
Ti non te rendes.
10:50
You would not let go.
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10:51
So that's not about being
a geek and being smart,
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Así que non ten que ver
con ser un "geek" e ser intelixente,
10:54
that's about being ... stubborn?
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vai de ser... teimudo?
10:57
LT: That's about being stubborn.
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LT: Vai de ser teimudo.
Vai de...
10:58
That's about, like,
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simplemente, comezar algo
11:01
just starting something
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11:03
and not saying, "OK, I'm done,
let's do something else --
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e non dicir: "Vale, déixoo,
imos facer outra cousa...
Mira, unha mosca!"
11:08
Look: shiny!"
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E véxoo en moitas outras
partes da miña vida, tamén.
11:10
And I notice that in many
other parts in my life, too.
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Vivín en Silicon Valley durante 7 anos.
11:15
I lived in Silicon Valley for seven years.
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11:18
And I worked for the same
company, in Silicon Valley,
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E traballei para a mesma compañía,
en Silicon Valley
11:22
for the whole time.
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durante todo ese tempo.
11:24
That is unheard of.
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Iso é inaudito.
Silicon Valley non funciona así.
11:27
That's not how Silicon Valley works.
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11:28
The whole point of Silicon Valley
is that people jump between jobs
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O punto de Silicon Valley
é que a xente salta de traballo
para vivir experiencias diferentes.
11:32
to kind of mix up the pot.
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11:35
And that's not the kind of person I am.
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E eu non son ese tipo de persoa.
11:37
CA: But during the actual
development of Linux itself,
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CA: Pero durante o
desenvolvemento de Linux,
11:39
that stubbornness sometimes brought
you in conflict with other people.
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esa teimosía, ás veces, levoute
ao conflito con outra xente.
11:44
Talk about that a bit.
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Fálanos diso un pouco.
11:46
Was that essential to sort of maintain
the quality of what was being built?
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Era esencial para manter a
calidade do que se estaba a construír?
11:51
How would you describe what happened?
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Como describirías o que ocorreu?
11:54
LT: I don't know if it's essential.
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LT: Non sei se é esencial.
Volvendo ao de "non son
unha persoa sociable",
11:57
Going back to the "I'm not
a people person," --
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12:00
sometimes I'm also ...
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ás veces, tamén son...,
como diriamos,
12:04
shall we say,
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12:05
"myopic" when it comes
to other people's feelings,
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"miope" no que se refire
aos sentimentos doutras persoas.
12:09
and that sometimes makes you
say things that hurt other people.
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e iso, ás veces, faiche dicir
cousas que as feren.
12:14
And I'm not proud of that.
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E non estou orgulloso diso
(Aplausos)
12:18
(Applause)
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pero, ao mesmo tempo, é...
12:19
But, at the same time, it's --
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Hai xente que me di
que debería ser agradable.
12:22
I get people who tell me
that I should be nice.
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12:26
And then when I try to explain to them
that maybe you're nice,
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E cando intento explicarlles que
quizais ti es agradable pero
12:32
maybe you should be more aggressive,
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quizais deberías ser máis agresivo,
12:34
they see that as me being not nice.
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ven que non son agradable.
12:38
(Laughter)
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(Risos)
O que intento dicir
é que somos diferentes.
12:40
What I'm trying to say
is we are different.
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Non son unha persoa sociable;
12:42
I'm not a people person;
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non é algo do que estea
particularmente orgulloso
12:44
it's not something
I'm particularly proud of,
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12:46
but it's part of me.
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pero é parte de min.
12:48
And one of the things
I really like about open source
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E unha das cousas que
me gustan do código aberto
12:50
is it really allows different
people to work together.
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é que permite que xente
distinta traballe xunta.
Non temos que gustarnos
12:56
We don't have to like each other --
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e, ás veces, realmente, non nos gustamos.
12:58
and sometimes we really
don't like each other.
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Quero dicir, hai
discusións moi moi acendidas.
13:00
Really -- I mean, there are very,
very heated arguments.
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13:04
But you can, actually,
you can find things that --
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E, de feito, podes atopar cousas en que
nin sequera estás de acordo
en estar en desacordo,
13:08
you don't even agree to disagree,
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13:10
it's just that you're interested
in really different things.
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é só que estás interesado
en cousas moi diferentes.
13:13
And coming back to the point
where I said earlier
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E volvendo ao punto onde dixen antes
13:16
that I was afraid of commercial people
taking advantage of your work,
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que temía que persoas
con intereses comerciais
se aproveitaran do meu traballo,
13:20
it turned out, and very
quickly turned out,
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resultou, e demostrouse rapidamente,
13:23
that those commercial people
were lovely, lovely people.
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que esas persoas eran xente encantadora.
13:26
And they did all the things that I was not
at all interested in doing,
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E fixeron todas as cousas en que eu
non estaba nada interesado
13:30
and they had completely different goals.
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e tiñan obxectivos totalmente diferentes.
13:32
And they used open source in ways
that I just did not want to go.
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E usaron o código aberto
de xeitos que eu non o faría.
13:37
But because it was open
source they could do it,
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Pero podían facelo porque
era código aberto
13:39
and it actually works
really beautifully together.
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e, en realidade, funcionou moi ben.
13:42
And I actually think
it works the same way.
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E penso que funciona do mesmo xeito.
13:44
You need to have the people-people,
the communicators,
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Tes que ter xente sociable,
os comunicadores,
13:47
the warm and friendly people
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a xente cálida e acolledora
13:49
who like --
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que
13:50
(Laughter)
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(risos)
13:52
really want to hug you
and get you into the community.
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quere darche unha aperta
e incluírte na comunidade.
Pero non todo o mundo é así.
13:55
But that's not everybody.
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13:56
And that's not me.
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E eu non son así.
13:58
I care about the technology.
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A min impórtame a tecnoloxía.
13:59
There are people who care about the UI.
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Hai a quen lle importa
a interface de usuario [IU]
14:01
I can't do UI to save my life.
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Eu non podo facer unha IU
nin para salvar a vida.
14:04
I mean, if I was stranded on an island
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Quero dicir, se estivese varado nunha illa
14:07
and the only way to get off that island
was the make a pretty UI,
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e a única maneira de saír dela
fose facer unha boa IU
14:11
I'd die there.
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morrería alí.
14:12
(Laughter)
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(Risos)
Así que hai diferentes tipos de xente,
14:13
So there's different kinds of people,
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14:15
and I'm not making excuses,
I'm trying to explain.
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e non estou poñendo escusas,
Estou intentando explicarme.
14:18
CA: Now, when we talked last week,
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CA: Cando falamos a semana pasada,
14:20
you talked about some
other trait that you have,
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falaches dalgún outro trazo que tes
bastante interesante.
14:22
which I found really interesting.
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Esa idea chamada gusto.
14:24
It's this idea called taste.
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E teño un par de imaxes aquí.
14:25
And I've just got a couple of images here.
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Seica, creo, este é un exemplo de
código de non bo gusto precisamente
14:28
I think this is an example of not
particularly good taste in code,
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14:32
and this one is better taste,
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e este ten mellor gusto,
14:35
which one can immediately see.
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o que se pode ver inmediatamente.
14:37
What is the difference between these two?
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Cal é a diferenza entre estes dous?
14:40
LT: So this is --
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LT: Isto é...
14:41
How many people here actually have coded?
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Canta xente aquí programou?
CA: Oh, meu deus.
14:45
CA: Oh my goodness.
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14:47
LT: So I guarantee you,
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LT: Eu garántoche que
14:48
everybody who raised their hand,
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todo o mundo que levantou a man,
14:49
they have done what's called
a singly-linked list.
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fixo o que se chama
unha lista ligada simple.
14:52
And it's taught --
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2009
E ensínase...
14:55
This, the first not very
good taste approach,
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Este, o primeiro enfoque
que non ten moi bo gusto
14:58
is basically how it's taught to be done
when you start out coding.
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é, basicamente, como se ensina a
facer cando comezas a programar.
15:02
And you don't have to understand the code.
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E non tes que entender o código.
15:04
The most interesting part to me
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A parte máis interesante para min
15:06
is the last if statement.
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é a última condición if.
Porque o que ocorre nunha
lista ligada simple,
15:10
Because what happens
in a singly-linked list --
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15:13
this is trying to remove
an existing entry from a list --
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isto é, ao eliminar un elemento
existente dunha lista e...
15:16
and there's a difference
between if it's the first entry
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Hai unha diferenza dependendo
de se é o primeiro elemento
15:20
or whether it's an entry in the middle.
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ou se é un elemento da metade.
15:22
Because if it's the first entry,
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Porque se é o primeiro elemento,
15:24
you have to change
the pointer to the first entry.
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tes que cambiar o punteiro
para o primeiro elemento.
15:27
If it's in the middle,
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Se está na metade,
15:28
you have to change the pointer
of a previous entry.
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tes que cambiar o punteiro
dun elemento anterior.
15:31
So they're two completely different cases.
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Así que son casos totalmente diferentes.
15:33
CA: And that's better.
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CA: E ese é mellor.
15:34
LT: And this is better.
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LT: E este é mellor.
15:35
It does not have the if statement.
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Non ten a condición if.
15:38
And it doesn't really matter --
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E, realmente, non importa.
15:40
I don't want you understand
why it doesn't have the if statement,
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Eu non quero que entendas
por que non ten a condición if,
15:44
but I want you to understand
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quero que entendas
15:45
that sometimes you can see
a problem in a different way
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que, ás veces, podes ver
un problema doutra forma
e reescribilo para que
desapareza un caso especial
15:48
and rewrite it so that
a special case goes away
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15:51
and becomes the normal case.
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e se converta nun caso normal.
15:53
And that's good code.
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E iso é bo código.
15:55
But this is simple code.
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Pero é código simple.
15:56
This is CS 101.
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Este é CS 101.
15:58
This is not important --
although, details are important.
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Non é importante, aínda
que os detalles son importantes.
16:01
To me, the sign of people
I really want to work with
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Para min, o que marca as persoas
coas que quero traballar
16:05
is that they have good taste,
which is how ...
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é que teñen bo gusto, que é como...
16:09
I sent you this stupid example
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Envieiche este estúpido exemplo
16:10
that is not relevant
because it's too small.
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que é irrelevante porque é moi pequeno.
16:13
Good taste is much bigger than this.
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O bo gusto é moito máis grande que isto.
16:15
Good taste is about really
seeing the big patterns
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O bo gusto trata de ver
realmente os grandes patróns
16:19
and kind of instinctively knowing
what's the right way to do things.
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e saber instintivamente
cal é a mellor forma de facer as cousas.
16:24
CA: OK, so we're putting
the pieces together here now.
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CA: Ben, estamos aquí xuntando as pezas.
16:27
You have taste,
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Ti tes gusto,
dun xeito que ten sentido
para a xente do software.
16:30
in a way that's meaningful
to software people.
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16:32
You're --
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Ti es...
16:33
(Laughter)
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(Risos)
16:35
LT: I think it was meaningful
to some people here.
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LT: Penso que tivo sentido
para algunha xente aquí.
CA: Ti es un programador moi intelixente
16:39
CA: You're a very smart computer coder,
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2917
16:42
and you're hellish stubborn.
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e es soberanamente teimudo.
Pero ten que haber algo máis.
16:45
But there must be something else.
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Cambiaches o futuro.
16:47
I mean, you've changed the future.
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Debes ter a capacidade
desas grandes visións do futuro.
16:48
You must have the ability
of these grand visions of the future.
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Es un visionario, non si?
16:51
You're a visionary, right?
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LT: En realidade, sentinme
un pouco incómodo no TED
16:53
LT: I've actually felt slightly
uncomfortable at TED
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16:55
for the last two days,
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estes últimos dous días
16:57
because there's a lot
of vision going on, right?
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porque hai moita visión por aquí, non?
E eu non son un visionario.
17:00
And I am not a visionary.
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17:02
I do not have a five-year plan.
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Eu non teño un plan a 5 anos.
17:04
I'm an engineer.
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Son enxeñeiro.
17:05
And I think it's really --
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E penso que realmente é...
17:07
I mean -- I'm perfectly
happy with all the people
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Alégrome moito polas persoas
17:09
who are walking around
and just staring at the clouds
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que pasean mirando para as nubes
17:12
and looking at the stars
and saying, "I want to go there."
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ollando as estrelas
e dicindo "Eu quero ir aí."
17:15
But I'm looking at the ground,
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Pero eu miro para o chan
17:16
and I want to fix the pothole
that's right in front of me
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e quero arranxar a focha
que hai en fronte de min
17:19
before I fall in.
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antes de caer nela.
17:20
This is the kind of person I am.
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Este é o tipo de persoa que son.
17:22
(Cheers)
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(Aclamacións)
17:23
(Applause)
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(Aplausos)
17:25
CA: So you spoke to me last week
about these two guys.
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CA: Faláchesme a semana pasada
deses dous tipos.
17:29
Who are they and how
do you relate to them?
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Quen son e que relación tes con eles?
17:32
LT: Well, so this is kind
of cliché in technology,
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LT: Ben, este é unha especie
de clixé na tecnoloxía,
17:35
the whole Tesla versus Edison,
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o tema Tesla contra Edison,
17:37
where Tesla is seen as the visionary
scientist and crazy idea man.
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onde Tesla sempre se ve como
o científico visionario e de ideas tolas.
17:42
And people love Tesla.
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A xente adora a Tesla.
17:45
I mean, there are people who name
their companies after him.
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Hai xente que lle pon o
seu nome ás empresas.
17:48
(Laughter)
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(Risos)
17:51
The other person there is Edison,
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A outra persoa é Edison,
17:54
who is actually often vilified
for being kind of pedestrian
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que a miúdo é desprezado
por ser máis corrente
17:57
and is --
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e é...
17:59
I mean, his most famous quote is,
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é dicir, a súa cita máis famosa é:
18:02
"Genius is one percent inspiration
and 99 percent perspiration."
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"O xenio é 1 % de inspiración
e 99 % de transpiración."
18:07
And I'm in the Edison camp,
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Eu estou do lado de Edison,
18:08
even if people don't always like him.
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mesmo se á xente non lle cae ben.
18:11
Because if you actually compare the two,
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Porque se os comparas,
18:14
Tesla has kind of this mind
grab these days,
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4533
Tesla ten unha mente
que atrae nestes tempos,
18:18
but who actually changed the world?
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pero quen cambiou realmente o mundo?
18:21
Edison may not have been a nice person,
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Pode que Edison non fora
unha persoa agradable,
18:25
he did a lot of things --
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fixo moitas cousas...
18:28
he was maybe not so intellectual,
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quizais non era tan intelectual
18:30
not so visionary.
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nin tan visionario.
18:33
But I think I'm more
of an Edison than a Tesla.
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Pero eu penso que son
máis un Edison que un Tesla.
18:37
CA: So our theme at TED
this week is dreams --
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CA: O tema do TED
esta semana son os soños:
soños grandes, valentes, audaces.
18:40
big, bold, audacious dreams.
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18:41
You're really the antidote to that.
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Ti es un auténtico antídoto.
18:43
LT: I'm trying to dial it down a bit, yes.
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LT: Intento desinchalo un pouco, si.
18:45
CA: That's good.
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CA: Iso está ben.
18:46
(Laughter)
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1080
(Risos)
18:47
We embrace you, we embrace you.
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1605
Apoiámoste, apoiámoste.
Empresas como Google e moitas
outras gañaron, podería dicirse,
18:51
Companies like Google and many
others have made, arguably,
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18:53
like, billions of dollars
out of your software.
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2206
millóns de dólares
grazas ao teu software.
18:56
Does that piss you off?
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1151
Moléstate?
18:57
LT: No.
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1151
LT: Non.
Non, non me molesta por varias razóns.
18:58
No, it doesn't piss me off
for several reasons.
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2634
19:01
And one of them is, I'm doing fine.
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2010
E unha delas é que me vai ben.
19:03
I'm really doing fine.
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1296
Vaime moi ben.
19:04
But the other reason is --
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1584
Pero a outra razón é...
19:06
I mean, without doing the whole
open source and really letting go thing,
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5327
Se eu non fixera o do código aberto
e deixara pasar a cousa,
19:11
Linux would never have been what it is.
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2226
Linux nunca sería o que é.
19:14
And it's brought experiences
I don't really enjoy, public talking,
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5096
E trouxo experiencias
que non me gustan, falar en público...
19:19
but at the same time,
this is an experience.
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2151
pero, ao mesmo tempo,
é unha experiencia.
19:21
Trust me.
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1280
Crédeme.
19:23
So there's a lot of things going on
that make me a very happy man
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5143
Hai un montón de cousas
que me fan moi feliz
19:28
and thinking I did the right choices.
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2529
e me fan pensar que
fixen as escollas correctas.
19:30
CA: Is the open source idea --
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CA: A idea do código aberto
19:32
this is, I think we'll end here --
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--e penso que rematamos aquí--,
19:34
is the open source idea
fully realized now in the world,
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a idea do código aberto está
totalmente implantada no mundo
19:38
or is there more that it could go,
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3018
ou hai máis cara a onde andar,
19:41
are there more things that it could do?
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2015
hai máis cousas que se poden facer?
LT: Aí teño dúas visións contrapostas.
19:44
LT: So, I'm of two minds there.
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19:46
I think one reason open source
works so well in code
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4486
Penso que unha razón pola
que o código aberto funciona tan ben
19:51
is that at the end of the day,
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2409
é que, á fin e ao cabo,
19:53
code tends to be somewhat black and white.
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3246
o código tende a ser branco ou negro.
19:57
There's often a fairly good way to decide,
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4157
A miúdo, hai unha maneira
bastante boa de decidir,
20:01
this is done correctly
and this is not done well.
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3946
isto está ben feito e isto está mal.
20:05
Code either works or it doesn't,
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2378
O código ou funciona ou non,
20:07
which means that there's less
room for arguments.
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o que significa que hai menos
espazo para as discusións.
20:12
And we have arguments despite this, right?
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E temos discusións a pesar disto, vale?
20:16
In many other areas --
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1915
En moitas outras áreas...
20:17
I mean, people have talked about
open politics and things like that --
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3741
é dicir, a xente falaba de cousas
como política aberta e así...
20:21
and it's really hard sometimes to say
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e é difícil, ás veces, dicir
20:24
that, yes, you can apply the same
principles in some other areas
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3757
que é posible aplicar
os mesmos principios noutras áreas
20:28
just because the black and white
turns into not just gray,
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5439
porque o branco e o negro
non só se transforman en grises
20:33
but different colors.
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senón noutras cores distintas.
20:36
So, obviously open source in science
is making a comeback.
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Obviamente, o código aberto
está reaparecendo na ciencia.
20:40
Science was there first.
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Na ciencia foi onde comezou.
20:42
But then science ended up
being pretty closed,
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Pero despois a ciencia
acabou por ser moi pechada,
20:45
with very expensive journals
and some of that going on.
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3624
con revistas moi caras e esas cousas.
20:48
And open source is making
a comeback in science,
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3836
E o código aberto está
reaparecendo na ciencia,
20:52
with things like arXiv and open journals.
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4147
con cousas como arXiv
e revistas de acceso aberto.
20:59
Wikipedia changed the world, too.
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1953
Wikipedia tamén cambiou o mundo.
21:01
So there are other examples,
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Hai outros exemplos
21:02
I'm sure there are more to come.
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e estou seguro de que han vir máis...
21:05
CA: But you're not a visionary,
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CA: Pero ti non es un visionario
21:07
and so it's not up to you to name them.
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1953
e non che corresponde imaxinalos.
21:09
LT: No.
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LT: Non.
21:10
(Laughter)
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(Risos)
Correspóndevos a vós facelo, non?
21:11
It's up to you guys to make them, right?
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21:13
CA: Exactly.
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CA: Exactamente.
21:14
Linus Torvalds,
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Linus Torvalds,
grazas por Linux, grazas por Internet,
21:15
thank you for Linux,
thank you for the Internet,
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grazas por todos eses teléfonos Android.
21:18
thank you for all those Android phones.
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Grazas por vires ao TED
e revelarnos tanto de ti.
21:20
Thank you for coming here to TED
and revealing so much of yourself.
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LT: Grazas.
21:23
LT: Thank you.
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(Aplausos)
21:24
(Applause)
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Translated by Carme Paz
Reviewed by Alicia Ferreiro

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ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Linus Torvalds - Software engineer
In 1991, Linus Torvalds shared the Linux kernel with a few computer hobbyists. The operating system they built reshaped the software industry.

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Fascinated by the economy and elegance of experimental operating system Minix, computer scientist Linus Torvalds wrote an operating system kernel and shared it with independent programmers. The system that they fleshed out and released in 1994 -- Linux -- was remarkable not only for its utility and efficiency but also for the collaboration of its community.

Now enjoying mainstream respectability (and the support of the computer industry), Linux runs on the servers of Amazon, Google, and much of the wired world. As the sole arbiter of code for the Linux Foundation (which he characteristically downplays by saying “the only power I have is to say ‘no’”), Torvalds quietly inspires open-source projects worldwide.

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