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Özlem Cekic: Why I have coffee with people who send me hate mail
Özlem Cekic: Kenapa saya minum kopi dengan orang yang hantar saya e-mel benci
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Peti masuk e-mel Özlem Cekic penuh dengan e-mel benci sejak 2007 ketika dia memenangi kerusi Parlimen Denmark -- menjadi wanita Muslim pertama yang berjaya. Pada mulanya dia hanya memadam e-mel tersebut, meremehkannya sebagai kerja fanatik, hingga satu hari, seorang rakan membuat cadangan yang tidak dijangka: menghubungi penulis surat benci dan menjemput mereka berjumpa untuk minum kopi. Selepas beratus pertemuan "dialog kopi", Cekic berkongsi bagaimana perbualan bersemuka boleh menjadi salah satu kuasa paling kuat untuk melembutkan hati -- dan mencabar kita untuk berbual dengan orang yang kita tidak bersetuju dengannya.
Özlem Cekic - Bridge builder, author
Born in Turkey with Kurdish roots, Özlem Sara Cekic was one of the first women with a Muslim immigrant background to be elected to the Danish Parliament, where she served from 2007 to 2015. Full bio
Born in Turkey with Kurdish roots, Özlem Sara Cekic was one of the first women with a Muslim immigrant background to be elected to the Danish Parliament, where she served from 2007 to 2015. Full bio
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00:12
My inbox is full of hate mails
and personal abuse
and personal abuse
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Peti masuk saya penuh dengan e-mel benci
dan penghinaan bersifat peribadi
dan penghinaan bersifat peribadi
selama bertahun-tahun.
00:17
and has been for years.
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Pada 2010,
saya mula membalas e-mel tersebut
saya mula membalas e-mel tersebut
00:20
In 2010, I started answering those mails
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00:24
and suggesting to the writer
that we might meet for coffee and a chat.
that we might meet for coffee and a chat.
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dan mengajak penulisnya berjumpa
untuk minum kopi dan berbual.
untuk minum kopi dan berbual.
00:30
I have had hundreds of encounters.
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Saya telah mengadakan ratusan pertemuan.
Pertemuan ini mengajar perkara penting
yang ingin saya kongsikan.
yang ingin saya kongsikan.
00:33
They have taught me something important
that I want to share with you.
that I want to share with you.
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00:39
I was born in Turkey from Kurdish parents
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Saya dilahirkan di Turki
oleh ibu bapa berbangsa Kurdi,
oleh ibu bapa berbangsa Kurdi,
00:42
and we moved to Denmark
when I was a young child.
when I was a young child.
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dan kami berpindah ke Denmark
semasa saya masih kecil.
semasa saya masih kecil.
00:46
In 2007, I ran for a seat
in the Danish parliament
in the Danish parliament
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Pada 2007, saya bertanding
untuk kerusi parlimen Denmark
untuk kerusi parlimen Denmark
00:50
as one of the first women
with a minority background.
with a minority background.
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sebagai salah seorang wanita
daripada golongan minoriti.
daripada golongan minoriti.
00:54
I was elected,
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Saya terpilih,
tetapi saya dapati
bahawa tidak semua orang gembira,
bahawa tidak semua orang gembira,
00:55
but I soon found out
that not everyone was happy about it
that not everyone was happy about it
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00:59
as I had to quickly get used
to finding hate messages in my inbox.
to finding hate messages in my inbox.
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kerana saya perlu membiasakan diri
menerima mesej benci dalam peti masuk saya
menerima mesej benci dalam peti masuk saya
E-mel tersebut dimulakan
dengan ayat seperti ini:
dengan ayat seperti ini:
01:06
Those emails would begin
with something like this:
with something like this:
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"Apa 'raghead' seperti kamu
buat dalam parlimen kami?
buat dalam parlimen kami?
01:10
"What's a raghead like you
doing in our parliament?"
doing in our parliament?"
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01:15
I never answered.
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Saya tak pernah jawab.
01:16
I'd just delete the emails.
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Saya padamkan saja e-mel tersebut.
Saya hanya menganggap bahawa
kami tiada persamaan.
kami tiada persamaan.
01:18
I just thought that the senders
and I had nothing in common.
and I had nothing in common.
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01:23
They didn't understand me,
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Mereka tidak memahami saya,
01:25
and I didn't understand them.
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dan saya tidak memahami mereka.
01:29
Then one day, one of my colleagues
in the parliament said
in the parliament said
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Satu hari, seorang rakan parlimen berkata
01:33
that I should save the hate mails.
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bahawa saya harus menyimpan
e-mel benci tersebut.
e-mel benci tersebut.
01:36
"When something happens to you,
it will give the police a lead."
it will give the police a lead."
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"Apabila sesuatu berlaku,
ia akan memberi polis petunjuk."
ia akan memberi polis petunjuk."
01:40
(Laughter)
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(Gelak tawa)
01:41
I noticed that she said,
"When something happens" and not "if."
"When something happens" and not "if."
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Saya perasan yang dia kata,
"Apabila sesuatu berlaku",
dan bukan "jika".
dan bukan "jika".
01:46
(Laughter)
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(Gelak tawa)
01:48
Sometimes hateful letters
were also sent to my home address.
were also sent to my home address.
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Kadang-kala, surat benci
juga dihantar ke alamat rumah saya.
juga dihantar ke alamat rumah saya.
01:53
The more I became involved
in public debate,
in public debate,
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Semakin banyak saya terlibat
dalam debat awam,
dalam debat awam,
01:57
the more hate mail and threats I received.
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semakin banyak surat benci
dan ugutan saya terima.
dan ugutan saya terima.
Akhirnya, saya mendapatkan alamat rahsia
02:01
After a while, I got a secret address
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02:03
and I had to take extra precautions
to protect my family.
to protect my family.
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dan mengambil langkah keselamatan
untuk melindungi keluarga saya.
untuk melindungi keluarga saya.
02:09
Then in 2010, a Nazi began to harass me.
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Pada 2010, seorang Nazi
mula mengganggu saya.
mula mengganggu saya.
02:13
It was a man who had attacked
Muslim women on the street.
Muslim women on the street.
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Dia seorang lelaki yang menyerang
wanita Muslim di jalan.
wanita Muslim di jalan.
02:18
Over time, it became much worse.
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Semakin lama, gangguan itu semakin teruk.
02:22
I was at the zoo with my children,
and the phone was ringing constantly.
and the phone was ringing constantly.
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Saya berada di zoo dengan anak-anak saya,
dan telefon tidak henti-henti berdering.
dan telefon tidak henti-henti berdering.
Nazi itu yang menelefon.
02:28
It was the Nazi.
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02:30
I had the impression that he was close.
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Saya rasa seperti dia ada berdekatan.
02:33
We headed home.
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Kami balik ke rumah.
02:35
When we got back,
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Apabila tiba di rumah,
anak lelaki saya bertanya,
anak lelaki saya bertanya,
02:37
my son asked, "Why does
he hate you so much, Mom,
he hate you so much, Mom,
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"Kenapa dia benci sangat dengan Ibu
sedangkan dia tak kenal pun Ibu?"
sedangkan dia tak kenal pun Ibu?"
02:43
when he doesn't even know you?"
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"Sesetengah orang memang bodoh,"
saya jawab.
saya jawab.
02:47
"Some people are just stupid," I said.
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02:50
And at the time, I actually thought
that was a pretty clever answer.
that was a pretty clever answer.
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Pada masa itu, saya ingat
itu jawapan yang agak bijak.
itu jawapan yang agak bijak.
02:55
And I suspect that that is the answer
most of us would give.
most of us would give.
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Dan saya rasa itu jawapan
yang kebanyakan daripada kita berikan.
yang kebanyakan daripada kita berikan.
02:59
The others --
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Orang lain --
03:01
they are stupid, brainwashed, ignorant.
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mereka bodoh, otak telah dibasuh,
tidak tahu apa-apa.
tidak tahu apa-apa.
03:05
We are the good guys
and they are the bad guys, period.
and they are the bad guys, period.
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Kita orang baik
dan mereka orang jahat, noktah.
dan mereka orang jahat, noktah.
03:11
Several weeks later
I was at a friend's house,
I was at a friend's house,
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Beberapa minggu kemudian,
saya di rumah rakan,
saya di rumah rakan,
03:13
and I was very upset and angry
about all the hate and racism I had met.
about all the hate and racism I had met.
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dan saya sangat sedih dan marah
tentang semua kebencian dan
sentimen perkauman yang saya jumpa.
sentimen perkauman yang saya jumpa.
03:20
It was he who suggested
that I should call them up
that I should call them up
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Dia yang mencadangkan
agar saya menelefon mereka
agar saya menelefon mereka
03:23
and visit them.
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dan melawat mereka.
03:26
"They will kill me," I said.
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"Mereka akan bunuh saya," saya kata.
03:29
"They would never attack a member
of the Danish Parliament," he said.
of the Danish Parliament," he said.
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"Mereka tidak akan menyerang
seorang ahli Parlimen Denmark," dia kata.
seorang ahli Parlimen Denmark," dia kata.
03:33
"And anyway, if they killed you,
you would become a martyr."
you would become a martyr."
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"Lagipun, jika mereka bunuh kamu,
kamu akan mati syahid."
kamu akan mati syahid."
03:37
(Laughter)
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(Gelak tawa)
"Ini situasi menang-menang untuk kamu."
03:39
"So it's pure win-win situation for you."
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(Gelak tawa)
03:41
(Laughter)
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Nasihatnya amat tidak diduga.
03:45
His advice was so unexpected,
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03:48
when I got home,
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Apabila tiba di rumah,
03:49
I turned on my computer
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saya buka komputer
dan buka fail yang saya simpan
semua e-mel benci.
semua e-mel benci.
03:51
and opened the folder
where I had saved all the hate mail.
where I had saved all the hate mail.
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03:55
There were literally hundreds of them.
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Terdapat beratus-ratus e-mel.
03:58
Emails that started
with words like "terrorist,"
with words like "terrorist,"
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E-mel yang bermula
dengan perkataan seperti "pengganas",
dengan perkataan seperti "pengganas",
04:03
"raghead,"
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"raghead",
04:04
"rat," "whore."
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"tikus", "pelacur".
04:08
I decided to contact the one
who had sent me the most.
who had sent me the most.
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Saya memutuskan untuk menghubungi
orang yang menghantar paling banyak e-mel.
orang yang menghantar paling banyak e-mel.
04:12
His name was Ingolf.
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Namanya, Ingolf.
04:17
I decided to contact him just once
so I could say at least I had tried.
so I could say at least I had tried.
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Saya bercadang menelefon dia sekali sahaja
agar saya boleh cakap saya telah cuba.
agar saya boleh cakap saya telah cuba.
04:23
To my surprise and shock,
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Di luar jangkaan saya
dan saya terkejut,
dan saya terkejut,
04:26
he answered the phone.
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dia jawab telefon.
04:28
I blurted out, "Hello, my name is Özlem.
You have sent me so many hate mails.
You have sent me so many hate mails.
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Saya berkata laju, "Hello, saya Ozlem.
Kamu hantar banyak e-mel kepada saya.
Kamu hantar banyak e-mel kepada saya.
04:33
You don't know me, I don't know you.
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Kita saling tidak mengenali.
04:35
I was wondering if I could come around
and we can drink a coffee together
and we can drink a coffee together
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Bolehkah saya ke rumah kamu
dan minum kopi bersama-sama
dan minum kopi bersama-sama
dan berbincang?
04:39
and talk about it?"
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(Gelak tawa)
04:40
(Laughter)
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Senyap di hujung talian.
04:43
There was silence on the line.
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04:47
And then he said,
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Kemudian, dia berkata,
04:50
"I have to ask my wife."
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"Saya perlu tanya isteri saya."
04:52
(Laughter)
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(Gelak tawa)
04:53
What?
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Apa?
Rasis ini ada isteri?
04:54
The racist has a wife?
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(Gelak tawa)
04:56
(Laughter)
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Beberapa hari kemudian,
kami bertemu di rumahnya.
kami bertemu di rumahnya.
04:58
A couple of days later,
we met at his house.
we met at his house.
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Saya tak akan lupa
apabila dia membuka pintu
apabila dia membuka pintu
05:01
I will never forget
when he opened his front door
when he opened his front door
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05:05
and reached out to shake my hand.
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dan menghulurkan tangan
untuk bersalaman dengan saya.
untuk bersalaman dengan saya.
05:08
I felt so disappointed.
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Saya rasa amat kecewa.
05:10
(Laughter)
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(Gelak tawa)
05:12
because he looked
nothing like I'd imagined.
nothing like I'd imagined.
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Kerana dia tidak kelihatan
seperti yang saya bayangkan.
seperti yang saya bayangkan.
05:16
I had expected a horrible person --
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Saya jangkakan orang yang teruk --
rumah kotor, bersepah.
05:19
dirty, messy house.
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Tetapi tidak.
05:21
It was not.
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05:23
His house smelled of coffee
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Rumahnya berbau kopi
05:25
which was served from a coffee set
identical to the one my parents used.
identical to the one my parents used.
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yang dihidangkan dalam set kopi
sama seperti ibu bapa saya gunakan.
sama seperti ibu bapa saya gunakan.
05:30
I ended up staying
for two and a half hours.
for two and a half hours.
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Akhirnya, saya duduk
selama dua jam setengah.
selama dua jam setengah.
Dan kami mempunyai banyak persamaan.
05:34
And we had so many things in common.
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05:39
Even our prejudices were alike.
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Malah, prejudis kami juga sama.
05:41
(Laughter)
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(Gelak tawa)
05:43
Ingolf told me
that when he waits for the bus
that when he waits for the bus
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Ingolf memberitahu saya
bahawa apabila dia menunggu bas
bahawa apabila dia menunggu bas
dan bas berhenti 10 meter dari dia,
05:46
and the bus stops 10 meters away from him,
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itu kerana pemandu seorang "raghead".
05:50
it was because the driver was a "raghead."
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Saya tahu perasaan itu.
05:55
I recognized that feeling.
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Semasa saya muda
05:57
When I was young
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05:59
and I waited for the bus
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dan menunggu bas
06:01
and it stopped 10 meters away from me,
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dan bas berhenti 10 meter dari saya,
06:03
I was sure that the driver was a racist.
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Saya yakin pemandu itu rasis.
06:09
When I got home,
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Apabila tiba di rumah,
06:11
I was very ambivalent about my experience.
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perasaan saya bercampur-baur
tentang pengalaman saya.
tentang pengalaman saya.
06:15
On the one hand, I really liked Ingolf.
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Dari satu sudut, saya suka Ingolf.
06:18
He was easy and pleasant to talk to,
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Dia seorang yang mudah
dan senang diajak berbual,
dan senang diajak berbual,
06:23
but on the other hand,
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tetapi dari sudut lain,
06:25
I couldn't stand the idea
of having so much in common
of having so much in common
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saya tidak tahan dengan idea yang
saya mempunyai banyak persamaan
saya mempunyai banyak persamaan
06:29
with someone who had
such clearly racist views.
such clearly racist views.
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dengan orang yang jelas
mempunyai pandangan rasis.
mempunyai pandangan rasis.
Sedikit demi sedikit,
06:36
Gradually,
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06:37
and painfully,
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dan dengan peritnya,
06:39
I came to realize
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saya sedar bahawa
06:40
that I had been just as judgmental
of those who had sent me hate mails
of those who had sent me hate mails
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saya juga menghakimi
mereka yang menghantar saya e-mel benci
mereka yang menghantar saya e-mel benci
06:46
as they had been of me.
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seperti mereka menghakimi saya.
Ini merupakan permulaan kepada
apa yang saya panggil #dialoguecoffee.
apa yang saya panggil #dialoguecoffee.
06:50
This was the beginning
of what I call #dialoguecoffee.
of what I call #dialoguecoffee.
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06:56
Basically, I sit down for coffee
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Pada dasarnya, saya duduk minum kopi
06:59
with people who have said
the most terrible things to me
the most terrible things to me
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dengan orang yang mengatakan
perkara paling teruk kepada saya
perkara paling teruk kepada saya
07:02
to try to understand
why they hate people like me
why they hate people like me
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untuk memahami kenapa
mereka membenci orang seperti saya
mereka membenci orang seperti saya
sedangkan mereka tidak kenal saya.
07:06
when they don't even know me.
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Saya telah mengadakan sesi ini
sejak lapan tahun lalu.
sejak lapan tahun lalu.
07:10
I have been doing this
the last eight years.
the last eight years.
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07:14
The vast majority of people
I approach agree to meet me.
I approach agree to meet me.
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Kebanyakan orang yang saya hubungi
bersetuju untuk bertemu dengan saya.
bersetuju untuk bertemu dengan saya.
07:18
Most of them are men,
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Kebanyakannya lelaki,
07:19
but I have also met women.
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tetapi saya juga pernah bertemu wanita.
07:22
I have made it a rule
to always meet them in their house
to always meet them in their house
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Saya telah membuat peraturan
untuk sentiasa bertemu di rumah mereka
untuk sentiasa bertemu di rumah mereka
07:25
to convey from the outset
that I trust them.
that I trust them.
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untuk menunjukkan dari awal lagi
bahawa saya mempercayai mereka.
bahawa saya mempercayai mereka.
07:28
I always bring food
because when we eat together,
because when we eat together,
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Saya selalu bawa makanan
kerana apabila kita makan bersama-sama,
kerana apabila kita makan bersama-sama,
07:32
it is easier to find
what we have in common
what we have in common
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lebih mudah
untuk mencari persamaan
untuk mencari persamaan
07:35
and make peace together.
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dan berdamai.
07:38
Along the way, I have learned
some valuable lessons.
some valuable lessons.
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Sepanjang perjalanan ini, saya belajar
beberapa pelajaran berharga.
beberapa pelajaran berharga.
Mereka yang menghantar
e-mel benci adalah pekerja,
e-mel benci adalah pekerja,
07:42
The people who sent
hate mails are workers,
hate mails are workers,
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07:46
husbands, wives,
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suami, isteri,
ibu bapa seperti kamu dan saya.
07:48
parents like you and me.
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07:50
I'm not saying that
their behavior is acceptable,
their behavior is acceptable,
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Saya bukan mengatakan
bahawa kelakuan mereka boleh diterima,
bahawa kelakuan mereka boleh diterima,
07:54
but I have learned to distance myself
from the hateful views
from the hateful views
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tetapi saya telah belajar untuk
menjarakkan diri daripada pandangan benci
menjarakkan diri daripada pandangan benci
07:59
without distancing myself from the person
who's expressing those views.
who's expressing those views.
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tanpa menjauhkan diri daripada
orang yang menzahirkan pandangan tersebut.
orang yang menzahirkan pandangan tersebut.
Dan saya telah menemui
08:07
And I have discovered
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08:09
that the people I visit are just
as afraid of people they don't know
as afraid of people they don't know
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bahawa orang yang saya lawat
takut kepada orang yang mereka tidak kenal
takut kepada orang yang mereka tidak kenal
08:14
as I was afraid of them before
I started inviting myself for coffee.
I started inviting myself for coffee.
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seperti saya takut kepada mereka
sebelum saya mengajak mereka minum kopi.
sebelum saya mengajak mereka minum kopi.
Semasa pertemuan ini,
tema khusus sering timbul.
tema khusus sering timbul.
08:21
During these meetings,
a specific theme keeps coming up.
a specific theme keeps coming up.
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Ia timbul tidak kira sama ada
saya bercakap dengan humanis atau rasis,
saya bercakap dengan humanis atau rasis,
08:24
It shows up regardless whether
I'm talking to a humanist or a racist,
I'm talking to a humanist or a racist,
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08:29
a man, a woman,
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lelaki, wanita,
08:30
a Muslim or an atheist.
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Muslim atau ateis.
Mereka semua berpandangan
08:32
They all seem to think
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08:34
that other people
are to blame for the hate
are to blame for the hate
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bahawa orang lain
patut dipersalahkan untuk kebencian
patut dipersalahkan untuk kebencian
dan untuk generalisasi kumpulan.
08:38
and for the generalization of groups.
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Mereka percaya bahawa orang lain
perlu berhenti mengeji orang.
perlu berhenti mengeji orang.
08:40
They all believe that other people
have to stop demonizing.
have to stop demonizing.
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Mereka menuding kepada ahli politik,
media, jiran mereka
media, jiran mereka
08:45
They point at politicians,
the media, their neighbor
the media, their neighbor
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atau pemandu bas
yang berhenti 10 meter dari mereka.
yang berhenti 10 meter dari mereka.
08:47
or the bus driver
who stops 10 meters away.
who stops 10 meters away.
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08:51
But when I asked, "What about you?
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Tetapi apabila ditanya,
"Bagaimana dengan kamu?
"Bagaimana dengan kamu?
08:55
What can you do?",
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Apa yang kamu boleh buat?",
Jawapannya selalunya,
08:57
the reply is usually,
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08:59
"What can I do?
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"Apa yang boleh saya buat?
09:01
I have no influence.
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Saya tiada pengaruh.
09:03
I have no power."
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Saya tiada kuasa."
Saya tahu perasaan itu.
09:06
I know that feeling.
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09:08
For a large part of my life,
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Untuk sebahagian besar hidup saya,
saya juga ingat bahawa saya
tiada kuasa atau pengaruh --
tiada kuasa atau pengaruh --
09:10
I also thought that I didn't have
any power or influence --
any power or influence --
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walaupun semasa saya
seorang ahli parlimen Denmark.
seorang ahli parlimen Denmark.
09:16
even when I was a member
of the Danish parliament.
of the Danish parliament.
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Kini, saya tahu realiti adalah sebaliknya.
09:20
But today I know the reality is different.
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09:22
We all have power
and influence where we are,
and influence where we are,
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Kita mempunyai kuasa
dan pengaruh di mana saja kita berada,
dan pengaruh di mana saja kita berada,
09:25
so we must never,
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jadi, jangan sesekali,
09:28
never underestimate our own potential.
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jangan memandang rendah
potensi kita sendiri.
potensi kita sendiri.
09:35
The #dialoguecoffee meetings
have taught me
have taught me
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Pertemuan #dialoguecoffee
mengajar saya
mengajar saya
09:37
that people of all political convictions
can be caught demonizing
can be caught demonizing
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bahawa manusia tanpa mengira
fahaman politik, ada yang mengeji
fahaman politik, ada yang mengeji
orang lain
yang mempunyai pandangan berbeza.
yang mempunyai pandangan berbeza.
09:41
the others with different views.
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Saya tahu apa yang saya katakan ini.
09:44
I know what I'm talking about.
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09:45
As a young child, I hated
different population groups.
different population groups.
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Semasa kecil, saya benci
kumpulan populasi yang berlainan.
kumpulan populasi yang berlainan.
09:50
And at the time, my religious views
were very extreme.
were very extreme.
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Pada masa itu, pandangan agama saya
sangat ekstrim.
sangat ekstrim.
09:54
But my friendship with Turks,
with Danes, with Jews and with racists
with Danes, with Jews and with racists
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Tetapi persahabatan dengan orang Turki,
Denmark, Yahudi dan rasis
Denmark, Yahudi dan rasis
telah mengimunkan saya
daripada prejudis saya sendiri.
daripada prejudis saya sendiri.
09:59
has vaccinated me
against my own prejudices.
against my own prejudices.
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Saya membesar dalam keluarga
kelas pekerja
kelas pekerja
10:04
I grew up in a working-class family,
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dan sepanjang perjalanan saya,
saya bertemu dengan ramai orang
saya bertemu dengan ramai orang
10:06
and on my journey I have met many people
who have insisted on speaking to me.
who have insisted on speaking to me.
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yang telah mendesak
untuk bercakap dengan saya.
untuk bercakap dengan saya.
Mereka telah mengubah pandangan saya.
10:13
They have changed my views.
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10:16
They have formed me as a democratic
citizen and a bridge builder.
citizen and a bridge builder.
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Mereka telah membentuk saya menjadi
rakyat demokratik dan pembina jambatan.
rakyat demokratik dan pembina jambatan.
10:22
If you want to prevent hate and violence,
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Jika anda ingin menghalang
kebencian dan keganasan,
kebencian dan keganasan,
10:24
we have to talk to as many
people as possible
people as possible
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kita perlu bercakap
dengan seramai orang mungkin,
dengan seramai orang mungkin,
selama yang mungkin,
10:27
for as long as possible
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sementara bersikap terbuka mungkin.
10:30
while being as open as possible.
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10:33
That can only be achieved through debate,
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Ini hanya boleh dicapai
melalui perdebatan,
melalui perdebatan,
10:36
critical conversation
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perbualan kritikal
10:38
and insisting on dialogue
that doesn't demonize people.
that doesn't demonize people.
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dan mendesak untuk dialog
yang tidak mengeji orang.
yang tidak mengeji orang.
Saya akan bertanya kepada anda
satu soalan.
satu soalan.
10:44
I'm going to ask you a question.
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Saya menjemput anda
untuk berfikir tentangnya
untuk berfikir tentangnya
10:47
I invite you to think about it when
you get home and in the coming days,
you get home and in the coming days,
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semasa di rumah
dan hari-hari berikutnya.
dan hari-hari berikutnya.
Tetapi anda perlu jujur
dengan diri sendiri.
dengan diri sendiri.
10:51
but you have to be honest with yourself.
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10:54
It should be easy,
no one else will know it.
no one else will know it.
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Mudah sahaja,
orang lain tidak akan tahu.
orang lain tidak akan tahu.
10:58
The question is this ...
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Soalannya ialah...
Siapa yang anda keji?
11:02
who do you demonize?
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Adakah anda anggap penyokong
Presiden Amerika, Trump, teruk?
Presiden Amerika, Trump, teruk?
11:06
Do you think supporters of American
President Trump are deplorables?
President Trump are deplorables?
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Atau mereka yang mengundi
Presiden Turki, Erdogan, Islamis gila?
Presiden Turki, Erdogan, Islamis gila?
11:12
Or that those who voted for Turkish
President Erdoğan are crazy Islamists?
President Erdoğan are crazy Islamists?
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Atau mereka yang mengundi untuk Le Pen
di Perancis, fasis bodoh?
di Perancis, fasis bodoh?
11:20
Or that those who voted for Le Pen
in France are stupid fascists?
in France are stupid fascists?
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11:27
Or perhaps you think that Americans
who voted for Bernie Sanders
who voted for Bernie Sanders
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Atau mungkin anda anggap rakyat Amerika
yang mengundi Bernie Sanders
yang mengundi Bernie Sanders
hipi yang tidak matang.
11:31
are immature hippies.
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(Gelak tawa)
11:33
(Laughter)
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Semua perkataan itu telah digunakan
untuk mencerca kumpulan tersebut.
untuk mencerca kumpulan tersebut.
11:35
All those words have been used
to vilify those groups.
to vilify those groups.
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11:41
Maybe at this point,
do you think I am an idealist?
do you think I am an idealist?
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Mungkin pada ketika ini,
anda anggap saya seorang idealis?
anda anggap saya seorang idealis?
11:48
I want to give you a challenge.
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Saya ingin mencabar anda.
11:50
Before the end of this year,
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Sebelum penghujung tahun ini,
Saya cabar anda untuk menjemput
seseorang yang anda keji --
seseorang yang anda keji --
11:52
I challenge you to invite
someone who you demonize --
someone who you demonize --
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seseorang yang anda tidak bersetuju
secara politik dan/atau budaya
secara politik dan/atau budaya
11:57
someone who you disagree with
politically and/or culturally
politically and/or culturally
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dan rasakan anda tiada persamaan.
12:01
and don't think you have
anything in common with.
anything in common with.
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Saya cabar anda untuk menjemput
orang seperti ini ke #dialoguecoffee.
orang seperti ini ke #dialoguecoffee.
12:06
I challenge you to invite someone
like this to #dialoguecoffee.
like this to #dialoguecoffee.
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Ingat Ingolf?
12:11
Remember Ingolf?
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Secara mudahnya, saya meminta anda
mencari seorang Ingolf dalam hidup anda,
mencari seorang Ingolf dalam hidup anda,
12:13
Basically, I'm asking you
to find an Ingolf in your life,
to find an Ingolf in your life,
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hubungi dia
12:17
contact him or her
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12:19
and suggest that you can meet
for #dialoguecofee.
for #dialoguecofee.
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dan ajak dia berjumpa
untuk #dialoguecoffee
untuk #dialoguecoffee
12:23
When you start at #dialoguecoffee,
you have to remember this:
you have to remember this:
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Jika anda memulakan #dialoguecoffee,
ingat ini:
ingat ini:
Pertama, jangan berputus asa
jika orang tersebut menolak pada mulanya.
jika orang tersebut menolak pada mulanya.
12:26
first, don't give up
if the person refuses at first.
if the person refuses at first.
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Kadang-kala, saya ambil masa setahun
untuk aturkan pertemuan #dialoguecoffee.
untuk aturkan pertemuan #dialoguecoffee.
12:31
Sometimes it's taken me nearly one year
to arrange a #dialoguecoffee meeting.
to arrange a #dialoguecoffee meeting.
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Kedua,
12:36
Two:
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12:37
acknowledge the other person's courage.
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akui keberanian orang tersebut.
12:40
It isn't just you who's brave.
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Bukan anda sahaja yang berani.
Orang yang menjemput anda masuk
ke rumahnya juga berani.
ke rumahnya juga berani.
12:42
The one who's inviting you
into their home is just as brave.
into their home is just as brave.
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Ketiga,
12:46
Three:
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jangan menghakimi semasa perbualan.
12:48
don't judge during the conversation.
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Pastikan sebahagian besar perbualan
tertumpu pada persamaaan anda.
tertumpu pada persamaaan anda.
12:50
Make sure that most of the conversation
focuses on what you have in common.
focuses on what you have in common.
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Seperti yang saya kata,
bawa makanan.
bawa makanan.
12:55
As I said, bring food.
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12:58
And finally, remember to finish
the conversation in a positive way
the conversation in a positive way
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Akhirnya,
akhiri perbualan secara positif
akhiri perbualan secara positif
kerana anda akan bertemu lagi.
13:02
because you are going to meet again.
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Jambatan tidak dibina dalam satu hari.
13:04
A bridge can't be built in one day.
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13:09
We are living in a world where many people
hold definitive and often extreme opinions
hold definitive and often extreme opinions
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Di dunia ini, ramai orang hanya berpegang
pada satu pandangan yang selalunya ekstrim
pada satu pandangan yang selalunya ekstrim
tentang orang lain
13:14
about the others
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tanpa mengenali mereka.
13:15
without knowing much about them.
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13:18
We notice of course the prejudices
on the other side than in our own bases.
on the other side than in our own bases.
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Kita nampak prejudis orang lain
berbanding prejudis kita.
berbanding prejudis kita.
Dan kita melarang mereka
daripada hidup kita.
daripada hidup kita.
13:24
And we ban them from our lives.
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13:27
We delete the hate mails.
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Kita padamkan e-mel benci.
13:29
We hang out only with people
who think like us
who think like us
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Kita hanya keluar dengan
orang yang berfikiran sama dengan kita
orang yang berfikiran sama dengan kita
dan bercakap tentang orang lain
dengan hina.
dengan hina.
13:32
and talk about the others
in a category of disdain.
in a category of disdain.
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13:36
We unfriend people on Facebook,
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Kita 'nyah kawan' orang di Facebook.
13:39
and when we meet people
who are discriminating
who are discriminating
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Dan apabila kita bertemu
dengan orang yang mendiskriminasi
dengan orang yang mendiskriminasi
atau menyahinsanikan orang atau kumpulan,
13:42
or dehumanizing people or groups,
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13:44
we don't insist on speaking with them
to challenge their opinions.
to challenge their opinions.
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kita tidak mendesak bercakap dengan mereka
untuk mencabar pendapat mereka.
untuk mencabar pendapat mereka.
13:50
That's how healthy democratic
societies break down --
societies break down --
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Begitulah cara masyarakat demokratik
yang sihat berpecah-belah --
yang sihat berpecah-belah --
apabila kita tidak melihat
tanggungjawab peribadi dalam demokrasi.
tanggungjawab peribadi dalam demokrasi.
13:55
when we don't check the personal
responsibility for the democracy.
responsibility for the democracy.
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Kita mengambil mudah demokrasi.
14:00
We take the democracy for granted.
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Demokrasi tidak mudah.
14:03
It is not.
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14:06
Conversation is the most difficult
thing in a democracy
thing in a democracy
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Perbualan ialah perkara
paling sukar dalam demokrasi
paling sukar dalam demokrasi
14:10
and also the most important.
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dan juga yang paling penting.
14:16
So here's my challenge.
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Jadi, ini cabaran saya.
14:18
Find your Ingolf.
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Cari Ingolf anda.
14:20
(Laughter)
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(Gelak tawa)
14:21
Start a conversation.
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Mulakan perbualan.
Jurang telah digali, ya...
14:23
Trenches have been dug
between people, yes,
between people, yes,
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tetapi kita berupaya membina jambatan
yang merentasi jurang tersebut.
yang merentasi jurang tersebut.
14:27
but we all have the ability to build
the bridges that cross the trenches.
the bridges that cross the trenches.
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14:35
And let me end by quoting my friend,
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Dan saya ingin memetik
kata-kata kawan saya,
kata-kata kawan saya,
Sergeot Uzan,
14:38
Sergeot Uzan,
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yang kehilangan anak lelakinya,
Dan Uzan, dalam serangan keganasan
Dan Uzan, dalam serangan keganasan
14:40
who lost his son, Dan Uzan,
in a terror attack
in a terror attack
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ke atas saumaah Yahudi
di Copenhagen, 2015.
di Copenhagen, 2015.
14:44
on a Jewish synagogue in Copenhagen, 2015.
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14:49
Sergio rejected any suggestion of revenge
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Sergeot menolak sebarang cadangan
untuk membalas dendam
untuk membalas dendam
dan sebaliknya berkata,
14:53
and instead said this ...
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"Kejahatan hanya boleh ditewaskan
dengan kebaikan antara manusia.
dengan kebaikan antara manusia.
14:58
"Evil can only be defeated
by kindness between people.
by kindness between people.
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Kebaikan memerlukan keberanian."
15:03
Kindness demands courage."
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15:07
Dear friends,
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Wahai rakan-rakan,
15:09
let's be courageous.
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mari menjadi berani.
15:11
Thank you.
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Terima kasih.
(Tepukan)
15:12
(Applause)
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ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Özlem Cekic - Bridge builder, authorBorn in Turkey with Kurdish roots, Özlem Sara Cekic was one of the first women with a Muslim immigrant background to be elected to the Danish Parliament, where she served from 2007 to 2015.
Why you should listen
During her time as a member of Folketing, the Danish Parliament, Özlem Cekic's inbox was inundated with hate mail and threats. She first responded by deleting the emails, but then she started replying and inviting those who had sent her abusive messages to meet and engage in dialogue. She calls it #dialoguecoffee, as the meetings generally happen over coffee, and usually at the home of the person who wrote the message. She has met neo-Nazis, racists and religious extremists as she works to try to understand the origin of the hate, find a common language and develop a toolkit for building bridges.
Özlem Cekic | Speaker | TED.com