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Özlem Cekic: Why I have coffee with people who send me hate mail
Ozlem Cekic: Kwanini ninakunywa kahawa na watu wanaonitumia barua za chuki
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Kipokea barua pepe cha Ozlem Cekic kimejaa barua za chuki tangu 2007, aliposhinda kiti kwenye bunge la Denmark -- akiwa mmoja wa wanawake Waislamu kufanya hivyo. Mwanzoni alikua akifuta tu hizo barua, na kuziondoa kama kazi ya mashabiki, mpaka siku moja rafiki yake alivyotoa wazo lisilotarajiwa: awafikie waandishi wa hizo barua za chuki na kuwakaribisha wakutane kwa kahawa. Mikutano mia ya "mazungumzo kahawa" baadae, Cekic alishirikisha jinsi mazungumzo ya uso-kwa-uso yanaweza kua moja ya misukumo yenye nguvu kudhibiti chuki -- na inatupa changamoto sisi sote kushirikiana na watu tusiokubaliana nao.
Özlem Cekic - Bridge builder, author
Born in Turkey with Kurdish roots, Özlem Sara Cekic was one of the first women with a Muslim immigrant background to be elected to the Danish Parliament, where she served from 2007 to 2015. Full bio
Born in Turkey with Kurdish roots, Özlem Sara Cekic was one of the first women with a Muslim immigrant background to be elected to the Danish Parliament, where she served from 2007 to 2015. Full bio
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Kisanduku pokezi changu kimejaa barua
za chuki na matusi binafsi
za chuki na matusi binafsi
00:12
My inbox is full of hate mails
and personal abuse
and personal abuse
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00:17
and has been for years.
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na imekua hivi kwa miaka.
00:20
In 2010, I started answering those mails
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Mwaka 2010, nilianza kujibu barua hizo
00:24
and suggesting to the writer
that we might meet for coffee and a chat.
that we might meet for coffee and a chat.
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na kumshauri anaeandika kua
tunaweza kukutana kwa kahawa na maongezi.
tunaweza kukutana kwa kahawa na maongezi.
00:30
I have had hundreds of encounters.
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Nimeshakuwa na mamia ya hali hizo.
00:33
They have taught me something important
that I want to share with you.
that I want to share with you.
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Wamenifundisha kitu muhimu
ninachotaka kuwashirikisha.
ninachotaka kuwashirikisha.
00:39
I was born in Turkey from Kurdish parents
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Nimezaliwa Uturuki kwa wazazi kutoka
Kurdish
Kurdish
00:42
and we moved to Denmark
when I was a young child.
when I was a young child.
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na tukahamia Denmark
nilivyokua mtoto mdogo.
nilivyokua mtoto mdogo.
00:46
In 2007, I ran for a seat
in the Danish parliament
in the Danish parliament
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Mwaka 2007, niligombania kiti
kwenye bunge la Denmark
kwenye bunge la Denmark
00:50
as one of the first women
with a minority background.
with a minority background.
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kama moja wa wanawake wa kwanza
walio na chimbuko kutoka jamii ndogo.
walio na chimbuko kutoka jamii ndogo.
00:54
I was elected,
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Nikachaguliwa,
00:55
but I soon found out
that not everyone was happy about it
that not everyone was happy about it
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lakini mara nikagundua
kua si kila mtu alifurahishwa
kua si kila mtu alifurahishwa
00:59
as I had to quickly get used
to finding hate messages in my inbox.
to finding hate messages in my inbox.
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ilivyonibidi kuzoea haraka kupata
ujumbe wa chuki kwenye kisanduku pokezi.
ujumbe wa chuki kwenye kisanduku pokezi.
01:06
Those emails would begin
with something like this:
with something like this:
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Hizo barua zingeanza
na kitu kama hiki:
na kitu kama hiki:
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"What's a raghead like you
doing in our parliament?"
doing in our parliament?"
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"Mvaa kilemba kama wewe
anafanya nini bungeni kwetu?"
anafanya nini bungeni kwetu?"
01:15
I never answered.
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Sikuwahi kujibu.
01:16
I'd just delete the emails.
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Ninafuta tu hizo barua.
01:18
I just thought that the senders
and I had nothing in common.
and I had nothing in common.
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Nawaza tu kua watumaji
na mimi hatuna mfanano wowote.
na mimi hatuna mfanano wowote.
01:23
They didn't understand me,
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Hawakunielewa mimi,
01:25
and I didn't understand them.
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na mimi sikuwaelewa wao.
01:29
Then one day, one of my colleagues
in the parliament said
in the parliament said
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Ndipo siku moja, mwenzangu mmoja
kwenye bunge akasema
kwenye bunge akasema
01:33
that I should save the hate mails.
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kua ningetakiwa kutunza barua za chuki.
01:36
"When something happens to you,
it will give the police a lead."
it will give the police a lead."
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"Pale kitu kinapokutokea,
itawapa polisi mwongozo."
itawapa polisi mwongozo."
01:40
(Laughter)
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(Kicheko)
01:41
I noticed that she said,
"When something happens" and not "if."
"When something happens" and not "if."
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Niliona kua alisema,
"Pale kitu kinapotokea" na sio "kama."
"Pale kitu kinapotokea" na sio "kama."
01:46
(Laughter)
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(Kicheko)
01:48
Sometimes hateful letters
were also sent to my home address.
were also sent to my home address.
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Mara nyingine barua za chuki zilitumwa
kwenye anwani ya nyumbani pia.
kwenye anwani ya nyumbani pia.
01:53
The more I became involved
in public debate,
in public debate,
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Kadri nilivyozidi kuhusika
kwenye mjadala wa umma,
kwenye mjadala wa umma,
01:57
the more hate mail and threats I received.
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nilipokea barua za chuki na vitisho kwa
wingi.
wingi.
02:01
After a while, I got a secret address
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Baada ya mda, nikapata anwani ya siri
02:03
and I had to take extra precautions
to protect my family.
to protect my family.
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na ilibidi nichukue tahadhari ya ziada
kulinda familia yangu.
kulinda familia yangu.
02:09
Then in 2010, a Nazi began to harass me.
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Kisha mwaka 2010, Mnazi alianza
kuniyanyasa.
kuniyanyasa.
02:13
It was a man who had attacked
Muslim women on the street.
Muslim women on the street.
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Ilikua ni mtu alieshambulia
wanawake Waislamu barabarani.
wanawake Waislamu barabarani.
02:18
Over time, it became much worse.
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Baada ya muda, ikawa mbaya zaidi.
02:22
I was at the zoo with my children,
and the phone was ringing constantly.
and the phone was ringing constantly.
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Nilikua bustani ya mwanyama na wanangu,
na simu ilikua ikiita mara kwa mara.
na simu ilikua ikiita mara kwa mara.
02:28
It was the Nazi.
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Ilikua ni yule Nazi.
02:30
I had the impression that he was close.
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Nilikua na hisia kua yuko karibu.
02:33
We headed home.
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Tukaelekea nyumbani.
02:35
When we got back,
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Tulivyorudi,
02:37
my son asked, "Why does
he hate you so much, Mom,
he hate you so much, Mom,
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kijana wangu akauliza, "Kwanini
anakuchukia sana, Mama,
anakuchukia sana, Mama,
02:43
when he doesn't even know you?"
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wakati hata hakujui?"
02:47
"Some people are just stupid," I said.
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"Kuna watu ni wajinga tu," Nilisema.
02:50
And at the time, I actually thought
that was a pretty clever answer.
that was a pretty clever answer.
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Na mda huo, ki ukweli niliwaza
kua hilo lilikua jibu lenye werevu.
kua hilo lilikua jibu lenye werevu.
02:55
And I suspect that that is the answer
most of us would give.
most of us would give.
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Na nikahisi kua hilo ndo jibu
wengi wetu wangetoa.
wengi wetu wangetoa.
02:59
The others --
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Wengine --
03:01
they are stupid, brainwashed, ignorant.
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ni wapumbavu, wafwata mikumbo, wajinga.
03:05
We are the good guys
and they are the bad guys, period.
and they are the bad guys, period.
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Sisi ndio watu wazuri
na wao ndio watu wabaya, mwisho.
na wao ndio watu wabaya, mwisho.
03:11
Several weeks later
I was at a friend's house,
I was at a friend's house,
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Wiki kadhaa baadae nilikua nyumbani
kwa rafiki yangu,
kwa rafiki yangu,
03:13
and I was very upset and angry
about all the hate and racism I had met.
about all the hate and racism I had met.
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na nilikua nimesikitika kweli na hasira kuhusu
chuki zote na ubaguzi wa rangi nliokutana nao.
chuki zote na ubaguzi wa rangi nliokutana nao.
03:20
It was he who suggested
that I should call them up
that I should call them up
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Ilikua ni yeye aliependekeza
natakiwa niwapigie
natakiwa niwapigie
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and visit them.
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na niwatembelee.
03:26
"They will kill me," I said.
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"Wataniua," nilisema.
03:29
"They would never attack a member
of the Danish Parliament," he said.
of the Danish Parliament," he said.
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"Hawawezi kushambulia mshiriki
wa bunge la Denmark," alisema.
wa bunge la Denmark," alisema.
03:33
"And anyway, if they killed you,
you would become a martyr."
you would become a martyr."
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"Na hata hivyo, kama wakikuua,
utakua shahidi."
utakua shahidi."
03:37
(Laughter)
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(Kicheko)
03:39
"So it's pure win-win situation for you."
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"Hivyo kwako utakua umeshinda pande zote."
03:41
(Laughter)
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(Kicheko)
03:45
His advice was so unexpected,
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Ushauri wake ulikua usiotarajiwa,
03:48
when I got home,
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nilipofika nyumbani,
03:49
I turned on my computer
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nikawasha kompyuta
03:51
and opened the folder
where I had saved all the hate mail.
where I had saved all the hate mail.
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na nikafungua kabrasha
ambalo nilitunza barua zote za chuki.
ambalo nilitunza barua zote za chuki.
03:55
There were literally hundreds of them.
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Ki halisi ilikua ma mia ya barua.
03:58
Emails that started
with words like "terrorist,"
with words like "terrorist,"
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Barua zilizoanza na
maneno kama "ugaidi,"
maneno kama "ugaidi,"
04:03
"raghead,"
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"mvaa kilemba,"
04:04
"rat," "whore."
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"panya," "kahaba."
04:08
I decided to contact the one
who had sent me the most.
who had sent me the most.
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Nikaamua kuwasiliana na yule
alienitumia nyingi.
alienitumia nyingi.
04:12
His name was Ingolf.
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Jina lake lilikua Ingolf.
04:17
I decided to contact him just once
so I could say at least I had tried.
so I could say at least I had tried.
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Niliamua kuwasiliana nae mara moja tu
ili niseme angalau nilijaribu.
ili niseme angalau nilijaribu.
04:23
To my surprise and shock,
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Kwa mshangao na mshtuko wangu,
04:26
he answered the phone.
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alijibu simu yake,
04:28
I blurted out, "Hello, my name is Özlem.
You have sent me so many hate mails.
You have sent me so many hate mails.
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Nikaropoka, "Habari, jina langu ni Ozlem.
Umenitumia barua pepe nyingi za chuki.
Umenitumia barua pepe nyingi za chuki.
04:33
You don't know me, I don't know you.
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Hunijui, sikujui.
04:35
I was wondering if I could come around
and we can drink a coffee together
and we can drink a coffee together
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Nilikua nawaza kama naweza kuja
na kunywa kahawa pamoja
na kunywa kahawa pamoja
na kuongelea kuhusu hilo?"
04:39
and talk about it?"
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04:40
(Laughter)
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(Kicheko)
04:43
There was silence on the line.
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Kulikua na ukimya kwenye laini.
04:47
And then he said,
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Na kisha akasema,
04:50
"I have to ask my wife."
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"Itabidi nimuulize mke wangu,"
04:52
(Laughter)
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(Kicheko)
04:53
What?
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Nini?
04:54
The racist has a wife?
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Mbaguzi wa rangi ana mke?
04:56
(Laughter)
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(Kicheko)
04:58
A couple of days later,
we met at his house.
we met at his house.
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Siku kadhaa mbeleni,
tulikutana nyumbani kwake.
tulikutana nyumbani kwake.
05:01
I will never forget
when he opened his front door
when he opened his front door
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Sitokaa kusahau
alivyofungua mlango wake wa mbele
alivyofungua mlango wake wa mbele
05:05
and reached out to shake my hand.
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na kutoka na kunipa mkono.
05:08
I felt so disappointed.
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Nilisikitika sana.
05:10
(Laughter)
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(Kicheko)
05:12
because he looked
nothing like I'd imagined.
nothing like I'd imagined.
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kwa sababu hakuonekana
chochote nilichomfikiria.
chochote nilichomfikiria.
05:16
I had expected a horrible person --
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Nilitegemea mtu wa kutisha --
05:19
dirty, messy house.
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mchafu, nyumba chafu.
05:21
It was not.
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Haikua hivyo.
05:23
His house smelled of coffee
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Nyumba yake ilinukia kahawa
05:25
which was served from a coffee set
identical to the one my parents used.
identical to the one my parents used.
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iliohudumiwa kwenye kiwekea kahawa
kilichofanana na cha wazazi wangu.
kilichofanana na cha wazazi wangu.
05:30
I ended up staying
for two and a half hours.
for two and a half hours.
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Nikaishia kubaki
kwa masaa mawili na nusu.
kwa masaa mawili na nusu.
05:34
And we had so many things in common.
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Na tulikua na vitu vingi vya tunafanana.
05:39
Even our prejudices were alike.
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Ata chuki zetu zilikua zinafanana.
05:41
(Laughter)
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(Kicheko)
05:43
Ingolf told me
that when he waits for the bus
that when he waits for the bus
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Ingolf aliniambia
kua anapongojea basi
kua anapongojea basi
05:46
and the bus stops 10 meters away from him,
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na basi linasimama mita 10 mbali na yeye,
05:50
it was because the driver was a "raghead."
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ilikua kwa sababu dereva alikua "mvaa
kilemba."
kilemba."
05:55
I recognized that feeling.
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Nilitambua hio hisia.
05:57
When I was young
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Nilivyokua mdogo
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and I waited for the bus
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na nikingoja basi
06:01
and it stopped 10 meters away from me,
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na lingesimama mita 10 mbali na mimi,
06:03
I was sure that the driver was a racist.
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nilikua nina uhakika dereva alikua mbaguzi
wa rangi.
wa rangi.
06:09
When I got home,
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Nilipofika nyumbani,
06:11
I was very ambivalent about my experience.
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nilikua nina mashaka kuhusu hio hali.
Kwa upande mmoja, nilipendezwa kweli na Ingolf.
06:15
On the one hand, I really liked Ingolf.
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06:18
He was easy and pleasant to talk to,
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Alikua rahisi na mzuri kuongea nae,
06:23
but on the other hand,
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ila kwa upande mwingine,
06:25
I couldn't stand the idea
of having so much in common
of having so much in common
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sikuweza kuvumilia wazo
la kua na vitu vingi vinanvyofanana
la kua na vitu vingi vinanvyofanana
06:29
with someone who had
such clearly racist views.
such clearly racist views.
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na mtu ambae ni wazi
ana mtazamo wa ubaguzi wa rangi.
ana mtazamo wa ubaguzi wa rangi.
06:36
Gradually,
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Taratibu,
06:37
and painfully,
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na kwa maumivu,
06:39
I came to realize
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nikaja kutambua
06:40
that I had been just as judgmental
of those who had sent me hate mails
of those who had sent me hate mails
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kua nilikua mhukumu kama tu
wale waliokua wakinitumia barua za chuki
wale waliokua wakinitumia barua za chuki
06:46
as they had been of me.
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kama zilivyokua kwangu.
06:50
This was the beginning
of what I call #dialoguecoffee.
of what I call #dialoguecoffee.
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Huu ulikua mwanzo
wa nilichoita #mazungumzokahawa.
wa nilichoita #mazungumzokahawa.
06:56
Basically, I sit down for coffee
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Kimsingi, nakaa kwa kahawa
06:59
with people who have said
the most terrible things to me
the most terrible things to me
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na watu waliosema
mambo ya kutisha kwangu
mambo ya kutisha kwangu
07:02
to try to understand
why they hate people like me
why they hate people like me
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na kujaribu kuelewa
kwanini wanachukia watu kama mimi
kwanini wanachukia watu kama mimi
07:06
when they don't even know me.
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wakati hata hawanijui.
07:10
I have been doing this
the last eight years.
the last eight years.
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Nimekua nikifanya hivi
miaka nane iliopita.
miaka nane iliopita.
07:14
The vast majority of people
I approach agree to meet me.
I approach agree to meet me.
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Idadi kubwa ya watu
ninaowafuata wanakubali kukutana nami.
ninaowafuata wanakubali kukutana nami.
07:18
Most of them are men,
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Wengi wao ni wanaume,
07:19
but I have also met women.
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lakini nimekutana pia na wanawake.
07:22
I have made it a rule
to always meet them in their house
to always meet them in their house
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Nimefanya kama kanuni
kukutana nyumbani kwao daima
kukutana nyumbani kwao daima
07:25
to convey from the outset
that I trust them.
that I trust them.
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kuonyesha kwa nje kua
ninawaamini.
ninawaamini.
07:28
I always bring food
because when we eat together,
because when we eat together,
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Naleta chakula mara kwa mara
kwa sababu tunapokula pamoja,
kwa sababu tunapokula pamoja,
07:32
it is easier to find
what we have in common
what we have in common
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ni rahisi kujua
nini tunacho cha kufanana
nini tunacho cha kufanana
07:35
and make peace together.
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na kuwa na amani kwa pamoja.
07:38
Along the way, I have learned
some valuable lessons.
some valuable lessons.
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Pamoja na njia hii, nimejifunza
mafunzo ya thamani.
mafunzo ya thamani.
07:42
The people who sent
hate mails are workers,
hate mails are workers,
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Watu waliotuma
barua za chuki ni wafanyakazi,
barua za chuki ni wafanyakazi,
07:46
husbands, wives,
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waume, wake,
07:48
parents like you and me.
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wazazi kama wewe na mimi.
07:50
I'm not saying that
their behavior is acceptable,
their behavior is acceptable,
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Sisemi kua tabia
yao inakubalika,
yao inakubalika,
07:54
but I have learned to distance myself
from the hateful views
from the hateful views
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lakini nimejifunza kujiweka mbali
na maoni ya chuki
na maoni ya chuki
07:59
without distancing myself from the person
who's expressing those views.
who's expressing those views.
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bila kujiweka mbali na mtu anayetoa
hayo maoni.
hayo maoni.
08:07
And I have discovered
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Nimegundua
08:09
that the people I visit are just
as afraid of people they don't know
as afraid of people they don't know
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kua watu ninaowatembelea wana
uwoga kama tu wa watu wasiowajua
uwoga kama tu wa watu wasiowajua
08:14
as I was afraid of them before
I started inviting myself for coffee.
I started inviting myself for coffee.
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kama nilivyokua nawaogopa kabla
sijaanza kujialika kwenye kahawa.
sijaanza kujialika kwenye kahawa.
08:21
During these meetings,
a specific theme keeps coming up.
a specific theme keeps coming up.
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Kwenye vikao hivi,
mandhari maalum inaibuka.
mandhari maalum inaibuka.
08:24
It shows up regardless whether
I'm talking to a humanist or a racist,
I'm talking to a humanist or a racist,
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Inaonyesha kua bila kujai ninaongea
na mwenye utu au mbaguzi wa rangi,
na mwenye utu au mbaguzi wa rangi,
08:29
a man, a woman,
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mwanaume. mwanamke,
08:30
a Muslim or an atheist.
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Muislamu au mkanamungu.
08:32
They all seem to think
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Wote wanaonekana kufikiri
08:34
that other people
are to blame for the hate
are to blame for the hate
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kua watu wengine
ndio wa kulaumiwa kwa hizo chuki
ndio wa kulaumiwa kwa hizo chuki
08:38
and for the generalization of groups.
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na kwa kujumuisha makundi.
08:40
They all believe that other people
have to stop demonizing.
have to stop demonizing.
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Wote wanaamini kua watu wengine
wanatakiwa kuacha ushetani.
wanatakiwa kuacha ushetani.
08:45
They point at politicians,
the media, their neighbor
the media, their neighbor
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Wananyooshea wanasiasa,
vyombo vya habari, na jirani zao
vyombo vya habari, na jirani zao
08:47
or the bus driver
who stops 10 meters away.
who stops 10 meters away.
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au dereva wa basi
anaesimama mita 10 mbali.
anaesimama mita 10 mbali.
08:51
But when I asked, "What about you?
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Lakini nilivyouliza, "Wewe je?
08:55
What can you do?",
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Wewe unaweza kufanya nini?",
08:57
the reply is usually,
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jibu ni kama kawaida,
08:59
"What can I do?
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"Nini naweza kufanya?
09:01
I have no influence.
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Sina ushawishi.
09:03
I have no power."
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Sina nguvu."
09:06
I know that feeling.
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Najua hiyo hisia.
09:08
For a large part of my life,
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Kwa mda mkubwa wa maisha yangu,
09:10
I also thought that I didn't have
any power or influence --
any power or influence --
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Niliwaza pia kua sina
nguvu au ushawishi --
nguvu au ushawishi --
09:16
even when I was a member
of the Danish parliament.
of the Danish parliament.
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hata nilivyokua mshiriki
wa bunge la Denmark.
wa bunge la Denmark.
09:20
But today I know the reality is different.
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Lakini leo najua ukweli ni tofauti.
09:22
We all have power
and influence where we are,
and influence where we are,
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Sisi sote tuna nguvu
na ushawishi popote tulipo,
na ushawishi popote tulipo,
09:25
so we must never,
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hivyo hatutakiwi kamwe,
09:28
never underestimate our own potential.
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kamwe kushusha uwezo wetu.
09:35
The #dialoguecoffee meetings
have taught me
have taught me
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Vikao vya #mazungumzokahawa
vimenifundisha
vimenifundisha
09:37
that people of all political convictions
can be caught demonizing
can be caught demonizing
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watu wa hukumu zote za kisiasa
wanaweza jikuta wanawachukulia vibaya
wanaweza jikuta wanawachukulia vibaya
09:41
the others with different views.
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wale wengine wenye maoni tofauti.
09:44
I know what I'm talking about.
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Najua ninachokiongelea.
09:45
As a young child, I hated
different population groups.
different population groups.
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Nikiwa mtoto mdogo, nilichukia
makudi tofauti ya watu.
makudi tofauti ya watu.
09:50
And at the time, my religious views
were very extreme.
were very extreme.
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Na mda huo, maoni yangu ya kidini
yalikua yamekithiri.
yalikua yamekithiri.
09:54
But my friendship with Turks,
with Danes, with Jews and with racists
with Danes, with Jews and with racists
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Lakini urafiki wangu na Waturuki, na
Wadeni, na Wayahudi na wabaguzi wa rangi
Wadeni, na Wayahudi na wabaguzi wa rangi
09:59
has vaccinated me
against my own prejudices.
against my own prejudices.
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umenichanjia dhidi
ya chuki zangu mwenyewe.
ya chuki zangu mwenyewe.
10:04
I grew up in a working-class family,
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Nilikua kwenye familia ya wafanya kazi,
10:06
and on my journey I have met many people
who have insisted on speaking to me.
who have insisted on speaking to me.
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na kwenye safari yangu nimekutana na watu
wengi waliosisitiza kuongea nami.
wengi waliosisitiza kuongea nami.
10:13
They have changed my views.
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Wamebadilisha maoni yangu.
10:16
They have formed me as a democratic
citizen and a bridge builder.
citizen and a bridge builder.
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Wamenifanya kama mwananchi wa demokrasia
na mjenga daraja.
na mjenga daraja.
10:22
If you want to prevent hate and violence,
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Kama unataka kuzuia chuki na vurugu,
10:24
we have to talk to as many
people as possible
people as possible
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tunatakiwa tuongee na watu
wengi iwezekanavyo
wengi iwezekanavyo
10:27
for as long as possible
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kwa mda mrefu uwezekanao
10:30
while being as open as possible.
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tukiwa wawazi tunavyoweza.
10:33
That can only be achieved through debate,
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Hio inaweza kufanikiwa kupitia
malumbano,
malumbano,
10:36
critical conversation
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maongezi ya muhimu
10:38
and insisting on dialogue
that doesn't demonize people.
that doesn't demonize people.
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na kusisitiza kwenye mazungumzo
yasiyofanya watu kuwa wabaya.
yasiyofanya watu kuwa wabaya.
10:44
I'm going to ask you a question.
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Nitawauliza swali moja.
10:47
I invite you to think about it when
you get home and in the coming days,
you get home and in the coming days,
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Ninawakaribisha kulifikiria mkifika
nyumbani na siku zinazokuja,
nyumbani na siku zinazokuja,
10:51
but you have to be honest with yourself.
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lakini unatakiwa uwe mkweli na wewe
mwenyewe.
mwenyewe.
10:54
It should be easy,
no one else will know it.
no one else will know it.
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Inatakiwa kuwa rahisi,
hakuna mwingine atakaejua.
hakuna mwingine atakaejua.
10:58
The question is this ...
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Hilo swali ni hili ...
11:02
who do you demonize?
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Ni nani unaemuona mbaya?
11:06
Do you think supporters of American
President Trump are deplorables?
President Trump are deplorables?
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Unafikiri wafuasi wa Raisi wa
Marekani Trump wana bahati mbaya?
Marekani Trump wana bahati mbaya?
11:12
Or that those who voted for Turkish
President Erdoğan are crazy Islamists?
President Erdoğan are crazy Islamists?
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Au wale waliompigia kura Raisi wa
Turkey Erdogan ni Waislamu wenye wazimu?
Turkey Erdogan ni Waislamu wenye wazimu?
11:20
Or that those who voted for Le Pen
in France are stupid fascists?
in France are stupid fascists?
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Au wale waliopiga kura kwa Le Pen
Ufaransa ni wafashisti wajinga?
Ufaransa ni wafashisti wajinga?
11:27
Or perhaps you think that Americans
who voted for Bernie Sanders
who voted for Bernie Sanders
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Au pengine unafikiri kua Wamarekani
waliompigia kura Bernie Sanders
waliompigia kura Bernie Sanders
11:31
are immature hippies.
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ni wahuni wachanga.
11:33
(Laughter)
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(Kicheko)
11:35
All those words have been used
to vilify those groups.
to vilify those groups.
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Maneno yote hayo yametumika
kuhakiri hayo makundi.
kuhakiri hayo makundi.
11:41
Maybe at this point,
do you think I am an idealist?
do you think I am an idealist?
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Labda kwenye hatua hii,
unafikiri mimi ni mdhanifu?
unafikiri mimi ni mdhanifu?
11:48
I want to give you a challenge.
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Nataka nikupe changamoto.
11:50
Before the end of this year,
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Kabla mwisho wa mwaka huu,
11:52
I challenge you to invite
someone who you demonize --
someone who you demonize --
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nawaita kumkaribisha
mtu unaemuona mbaya --
mtu unaemuona mbaya --
11:57
someone who you disagree with
politically and/or culturally
politically and/or culturally
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mtu usiekubaliana nae
kisiasa na/au kiutamaduni
kisiasa na/au kiutamaduni
12:01
and don't think you have
anything in common with.
anything in common with.
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na unaefikiri hauna
chochote mnachofanana.
chochote mnachofanana.
12:06
I challenge you to invite someone
like this to #dialoguecoffee.
like this to #dialoguecoffee.
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Nawaita kualika mtu kama
huyo kwenye #mazungumzokahawa.
huyo kwenye #mazungumzokahawa.
12:11
Remember Ingolf?
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Mnamkumbuka Ingolf?
12:13
Basically, I'm asking you
to find an Ingolf in your life,
to find an Ingolf in your life,
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Kimsingi, nawaomba mmtafute
Ignolf kwenye maisha yenu,
Ignolf kwenye maisha yenu,
12:17
contact him or her
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wasiliana nae
12:19
and suggest that you can meet
for #dialoguecofee.
for #dialoguecofee.
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na pendekeza kua mkutane
kwa #mazungumzokahawa.
kwa #mazungumzokahawa.
12:23
When you start at #dialoguecoffee,
you have to remember this:
you have to remember this:
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Unapoanza kwenye #mazungumzokahawa,
unatakiwa kukumbuka hili:
unatakiwa kukumbuka hili:
12:26
first, don't give up
if the person refuses at first.
if the person refuses at first.
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kwanza, usikate tamaa
kama mtu akikataa mwanzoni.
kama mtu akikataa mwanzoni.
12:31
Sometimes it's taken me nearly one year
to arrange a #dialoguecoffee meeting.
to arrange a #dialoguecoffee meeting.
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Mara nyingine inanichukua karibia mwaka
kupanga kikao cha #mazungumzokahawa.
kupanga kikao cha #mazungumzokahawa.
12:36
Two:
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Pili:
12:37
acknowledge the other person's courage.
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tambua ujasiri wa yule mtu mwingine.
12:40
It isn't just you who's brave.
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Sio wewe tu ambae ni jasiri.
12:42
The one who's inviting you
into their home is just as brave.
into their home is just as brave.
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Yule anaekualika nyumbani
kwake ni jasiri pia.
kwake ni jasiri pia.
12:46
Three:
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Tatu:
12:48
don't judge during the conversation.
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usihukumu kwenye mazungumzo.
12:50
Make sure that most of the conversation
focuses on what you have in common.
focuses on what you have in common.
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Hakikisha kua mazungumzo mengi
yanalenga vitu mnavyofanana.
yanalenga vitu mnavyofanana.
12:55
As I said, bring food.
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Kama nilivyosema, leta chakula.
12:58
And finally, remember to finish
the conversation in a positive way
the conversation in a positive way
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Na mwisho, kumbuka kumaliza
mazungumzo vyema
mazungumzo vyema
13:02
because you are going to meet again.
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kwa sababu mtakutana tena.
13:04
A bridge can't be built in one day.
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Daraja haliwezi kujengwa siku moja.
Tunaishi kwenye dunia ambayo watu wengi
wanashikilia kiyakinifu na sana maoni yaliokithiri
wanashikilia kiyakinifu na sana maoni yaliokithiri
13:09
We are living in a world where many people
hold definitive and often extreme opinions
hold definitive and often extreme opinions
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13:14
about the others
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kuhusu wengine
13:15
without knowing much about them.
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bila kujua chochote kuhusu wao.
13:18
We notice of course the prejudices
on the other side than in our own bases.
on the other side than in our own bases.
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Tunaona bila shaka zile chuki
za upande mwingine kuliko za kwetu.
za upande mwingine kuliko za kwetu.
13:24
And we ban them from our lives.
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Na tunazizuia kwenye maisha yetu.
13:27
We delete the hate mails.
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Tunafuta barua za chuki.
13:29
We hang out only with people
who think like us
who think like us
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Tunatembea na watu wenye fikra
kama zetu tu
kama zetu tu
13:32
and talk about the others
in a category of disdain.
in a category of disdain.
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na kuongelea wengine kwenye
aina isiyostahili.
aina isiyostahili.
13:36
We unfriend people on Facebook,
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Tunasitisha urafiki huko Facebook,
13:39
and when we meet people
who are discriminating
who are discriminating
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na tunapokutana watu
wenye ubaguzi
wenye ubaguzi
13:42
or dehumanizing people or groups,
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au wasio na utu kwa watu au makundi,
13:44
we don't insist on speaking with them
to challenge their opinions.
to challenge their opinions.
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hatusisitizi kuongea nao ili
maoni yao yawe na changamoto.
maoni yao yawe na changamoto.
13:50
That's how healthy democratic
societies break down --
societies break down --
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Hivyo ndivyo jinsi demokrasia yenye afya
kwenye jamii inavunjika --
kwenye jamii inavunjika --
13:55
when we don't check the personal
responsibility for the democracy.
responsibility for the democracy.
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tusipokagua wajibu wa mtu
binafsi kwa ajili ya demokrasia.
binafsi kwa ajili ya demokrasia.
14:00
We take the democracy for granted.
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Tunachukua demokrasia kwa kupuuzia.
14:03
It is not.
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Ambayo sio.
14:06
Conversation is the most difficult
thing in a democracy
thing in a democracy
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Mazungumzo ni jambo gumu sana
kwenye demokrasia
kwenye demokrasia
14:10
and also the most important.
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na pia muhimu sana.
14:16
So here's my challenge.
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Hivyo, changamoto yangu ni hii.
14:18
Find your Ingolf.
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Tafuta Ingolf wako.
14:20
(Laughter)
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(Kicheko)
14:21
Start a conversation.
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Anza mazungumzo.
14:23
Trenches have been dug
between people, yes,
between people, yes,
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Mifereji imechimbwa
kati ya watu, ndio,
kati ya watu, ndio,
14:27
but we all have the ability to build
the bridges that cross the trenches.
the bridges that cross the trenches.
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lakini tunauwezo wa kujenga
madaraja yanayovuka hio mifereji.
madaraja yanayovuka hio mifereji.
14:35
And let me end by quoting my friend,
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Na naomba nimalizie kwa kumnukuu rafiki
yangu,
yangu,
14:38
Sergeot Uzan,
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Sergeot Uzan,
14:40
who lost his son, Dan Uzan,
in a terror attack
in a terror attack
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aliempoteza mwanae, Dan Uzan,
kwenye shambulizi la kigaidi
kwenye shambulizi la kigaidi
14:44
on a Jewish synagogue in Copenhagen, 2015.
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kwenye sinagogi la Kiyehudi huko
Copenhagen, 2015.
Copenhagen, 2015.
14:49
Sergio rejected any suggestion of revenge
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Sergio alikataa wazo lolote la kisasi
14:53
and instead said this ...
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na badala yake akasema hivi ...
14:58
"Evil can only be defeated
by kindness between people.
by kindness between people.
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"Ubaya unashindwa tu kwa
wema kati ya watu.
wema kati ya watu.
15:03
Kindness demands courage."
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Wema unadai ujasiri."
15:07
Dear friends,
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Wapendwa marafiki,
15:09
let's be courageous.
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tuwe wajasiri.
15:11
Thank you.
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Asanteni.
15:12
(Applause)
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(Makofi)
ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Özlem Cekic - Bridge builder, authorBorn in Turkey with Kurdish roots, Özlem Sara Cekic was one of the first women with a Muslim immigrant background to be elected to the Danish Parliament, where she served from 2007 to 2015.
Why you should listen
During her time as a member of Folketing, the Danish Parliament, Özlem Cekic's inbox was inundated with hate mail and threats. She first responded by deleting the emails, but then she started replying and inviting those who had sent her abusive messages to meet and engage in dialogue. She calls it #dialoguecoffee, as the meetings generally happen over coffee, and usually at the home of the person who wrote the message. She has met neo-Nazis, racists and religious extremists as she works to try to understand the origin of the hate, find a common language and develop a toolkit for building bridges.
Özlem Cekic | Speaker | TED.com