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Pamela Meyer: How to spot a liar
Pamela Meyer: Yolg'onchini qanday aniqlash mumkin?
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Biz har kuni yolg'on bilan 10 dan 200 martagacha yuzlanamiz va ularni fosh etish uchun belgilar turlicha va tushunish uchun qiyin bo'lishi mumkin. Pamela Meyer, "Yolg'onni fosh etish" asarinig muallifi, yolg'onni aniqlashning "issiq nuqtalari" va unda insonning o'zini tutishi haqidagi sirlari haqida so'zlab beradi. Uning hisoblashicha, rostgo'ylik bu biz qadriga yetishimiz va avaylashimiz kerak bo'lgan boyligimizdir.
Pamela Meyer - Lie detector
Pamela Meyer thinks we’re facing a pandemic of deception, but she’s arming people with tools that can help take back the truth. Full bio
Pamela Meyer thinks we’re facing a pandemic of deception, but she’s arming people with tools that can help take back the truth. Full bio
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Okay, now I don't want to alarm anybody in this room,
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Xo'sh, mening bu zaldagilarni qo'rqitish
niyatim yo'q, lekin
niyatim yo'q, lekin
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but it's just come to my attention
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e'tiboringizni shunga
qaratmoqchimanki,
qaratmoqchimanki,
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that the person to your right is a liar.
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o'ng tomoningizdagi inson — yolg'onchi.
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(Laughter)
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(Kulgu)
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Also, the person to your left is a liar.
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Va chap tomoningizdagi inson ham.
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Also the person sitting in your very seats is a liar.
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Xattoki, siz o'tirgan o'rindiqda
o'tirgan inson ham
o'tirgan inson ham
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We're all liars.
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— yolg'onchi.
Biz hammamiz yolg'onchimiz.
Biz hammamiz yolg'onchimiz.
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What I'm going to do today
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Va men bugun sizlarga tadqiqotlar
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is I'm going to show you what the research says about why we're all liars,
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bizni nega aldashimiz haqida nima
deyishini, qanday qilib
deyishini, qanday qilib
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how you can become a liespotter
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yolg'onni aniqlash ustasi bo'lishingiz
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and why you might want to go the extra mile
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va aslida yaxshisi oldinga intilib,
yolg'onni aniqlashdan ko'ra
yolg'onni aniqlashdan ko'ra
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and go from liespotting to truth seeking,
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haqiqatni qidirish ekanligi, va nihoyat,
ishonch atmosferasini
ishonch atmosferasini
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and ultimately to trust building.
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yaratish madaniyati haqda so'zlab beraman.
00:49
Now speaking of trust,
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Aytancha, ishonch haqida gapirsak.
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ever since I wrote this book, "Liespotting,"
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"Yolg'onni fosh etish" kitobini
yozganimdan beri, hech kim
yozganimdan beri, hech kim
00:55
no one wants to meet me in person anymore, no, no, no, no, no.
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men bilan yuzma-yuz uchrashgisi
kelmaydi, yo'q, yo'q, yo'q...
kelmaydi, yo'q, yo'q, yo'q...
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They say, "It's okay, we'll email you."
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Ular deyishadi: "Yaxshi, siz
bilan e-mail orqali bog'lanamiz".
bilan e-mail orqali bog'lanamiz".
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(Laughter)
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(Kulgu)
01:03
I can't even get a coffee date at Starbucks.
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Men xattoki hech kimni Starbaksga qahva
ichishga taklif qilolmayman.
ichishga taklif qilolmayman.
01:07
My husband's like, "Honey, deception?
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Xatto erim ham: "Azizam, qanday yolg'on?
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Maybe you could have focused on cooking. How about French cooking?"
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Balki kulinariya bilan qiziqarsan?
Fransuz oshxonasi, masalan."
Fransuz oshxonasi, masalan."
01:12
So before I get started, what I'm going to do
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Boshlashdan oldin men sizlarga aniq
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is I'm going to clarify my goal for you,
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maqsadimni aytishim kerakki, men sizlarga
"mushuk-sichqon"
"mushuk-sichqon"
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which is not to teach a game of Gotcha.
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o'yinini o'rgatish niyatim yo'q.
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Liespotters aren't those nitpicky kids,
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Yolg'onni biluvchilar —
yosh bola emas,
yosh bola emas,
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those kids in the back of the room that are shouting, "Gotcha! Gotcha!
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ular "tutdimmi, fosh etdimmi!"
deb baqirishmaydi.
deb baqirishmaydi.
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Your eyebrow twitched. You flared your nostril.
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Qovog'ingiz uchadi, burningizni
"ishirasiz".
"ishirasiz".
01:27
I watch that TV show 'Lie To Me.' I know you're lying."
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TVda "Meni alda" degan shou bor.
Sevib tomosha qilaman.
Sevib tomosha qilaman.
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No, liespotters are armed
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Yolg'on biluvchilar yolg'onni aniqlash
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with scientific knowledge of how to spot deception.
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borasidagi kerakli bilimlar
bilan qurollangan. Ular bu bilimni
bilan qurollangan. Ular bu bilimni
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They use it to get to the truth,
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haqiqatni bilish uchun qo'llashadi.
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and they do what mature leaders do everyday;
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Ular xuddi tajribali boshliqlar qiladigan
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they have difficult conversations with difficult people,
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ishni qilishadi: murakkab insonlar bilan
muzokaralar qilishadi.
muzokaralar qilishadi.
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sometimes during very difficult times.
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Va ba'zida bu juda qiyin kechadi.
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And they start up that path
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Ular bu yo'lni asosiy ma'lumotni
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by accepting a core proposition,
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qabul qilishdan boshlashadi, u esa
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and that proposition is the following:
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quyidagicha jaranglaydi:
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Lying is a cooperative act.
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Yolg'on — birgalikda bajariladigan
harakat.
harakat.
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Think about it, a lie has no power whatsoever by its mere utterance.
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O'ylab ko'ring, o'z-o'zidan yolg'on hech
qanday kuchga ega emas, deyarli bo'sh gap.
qanday kuchga ega emas, deyarli bo'sh gap.
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Its power emerges
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Va u faqatgina unga kimdir ishonishga
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when someone else agrees to believe the lie.
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rozi bo'lgandagina kuchga ega bo'ladi.
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So I know it may sound like tough love,
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Bilaman, bu shafqatsizlik yaxshilikdan
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but look, if at some point you got lied to,
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degandek eshitiladi. Lekin o'ylab ko'ring,
qaysidir vaziyatda sizni aldashlari
qaysidir vaziyatda sizni aldashlari
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it's because you agreed to get lied to.
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siz aldanishga rozi bo'lganingizdek gap.
02:09
Truth number one about lying: Lying's a cooperative act.
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Yolg'on haqida birinchi haqiqat:
"Yolg'on bu birgalikda harakat"
"Yolg'on bu birgalikda harakat"
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Now not all lies are harmful.
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Va hamma yolg'on ham zararli emas.
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Sometimes we're willing participants in deception
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Ba'zida biz o'zimiz yolg'onda
ishtirok etamiz,
ishtirok etamiz,
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for the sake of social dignity,
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insoniy qadr-qimmatni his etish yoki
saqlab qolish uchun.
saqlab qolish uchun.
02:20
maybe to keep a secret that should be kept secret, secret.
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Ba'zan esa sir qolishi kerak bo'lgan
narsani yashirish uchun.
narsani yashirish uchun.
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We say, "Nice song."
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Biz aytamiz: "Yaxshi qo'shiq".
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"Honey, you don't look fat in that, no."
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"Azizam, yo'q, bu seni semiz qilib
ko'rsatayotgani yo'q".
ko'rsatayotgani yo'q".
02:28
Or we say, favorite of the digiratti,
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Yoki biz internet-elitaga taqlid qilib:
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"You know, I just fished that email out of my spam folder.
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"Bilasanmi, bu xabarni men hozirgina men
spamda ko'rib qoldim.
spamda ko'rib qoldim.
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So sorry."
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Uzr so'rayman".
02:36
But there are times when we are unwilling participants in deception.
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Ba'zida o'zlarimiz istamay,
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And that can have dramatic costs for us.
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yolg'onda ishtirok etamiz.
Va bu bizga qimmatga tushishi mumkin.
Va bu bizga qimmatga tushishi mumkin.
02:42
Last year saw 997 billion dollars
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O'tgan yili korporativ qalloblik
natijasida birgina
natijasida birgina
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in corporate fraud alone in the United States.
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AQSHning o'zi 997 milliard
dollar yo'qotdi.
dollar yo'qotdi.
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That's an eyelash under a trillion dollars.
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Bu deyarli butun boshli trillion dollar.
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That's seven percent of revenues.
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Bu davlat daromadining 7%i.
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Deception can cost billions.
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Yolg'on milliardlar turishi mumkin.
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Think Enron, Madoff, the mortgage crisis.
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"Enron", Meddof, ipoteka
inqirozlarini eslang.
inqirozlarini eslang.
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Or in the case of double agents and traitors,
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Yoki Robert Hansen, Oldrich Eyms kabi
ikkiyoqlama agent va
ikkiyoqlama agent va
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like Robert Hanssen or Aldrich Ames,
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sotqinlar bilan bog'liq voqealarni eslang.
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lies can betray our country,
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Yolg'on orqali vatanga xiyonat qilish ham
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they can compromise our security, they can undermine democracy,
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mumkin, u bizni xavfga qo'yishi,
tinchimizni buzishi va bizni
tinchimizni buzishi va bizni
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they can cause the deaths of those that defend us.
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himoyalayotgan barcha narsani
yemirishi mumkin.
yemirishi mumkin.
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Deception is actually serious business.
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Yolg'on aslida jiddiy biznes
ko'rinishiga ega.
ko'rinishiga ega.
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This con man, Henry Oberlander,
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Genri Oberlender ismli firibgar,
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he was such an effective con man
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shunday usta yolg'onchi ediki,
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British authorities say
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Britaniya rasmiylari fikricha, u butun
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he could have undermined the entire banking system of the Western world.
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G'arb bank sistemasini buzib yuborishi
mumkin edi. Va siz uni
mumkin edi. Va siz uni
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And you can't find this guy on Google; you can't find him anywhere.
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Google orqali topa olmaysiz, siz uni hech
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He was interviewed once, and he said the following.
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qayerdan topa olmaysiz. Undan intervyu
olinganida shunday degan:
olinganida shunday degan:
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He said, "Look, I've got one rule."
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"Bilasizmi, menda faqat bitta qoida bor".
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And this was Henry's rule, he said,
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Genrining fikricha bu qoida shunday:
"Qarang, har kim sizga
"Qarang, har kim sizga
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"Look, everyone is willing to give you something.
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nimadir berishga tayyor.
Insonlar sizga
Insonlar sizga
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They're ready to give you something for whatever it is they're hungry for."
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nima bo'lsayam berishga tayyor, o'zlari
olishni xohlayotgan
olishni xohlayotgan
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And that's the crux of it.
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narsa evaziga".
Savolning mazmuni shunda.
Savolning mazmuni shunda.
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If you don't want to be deceived, you have to know,
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Agar siz aldanib qolishni xohlamasangiz,
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what is it that you're hungry for?
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tushunishingiz kerakki: siz aynan nimani
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And we all kind of hate to admit it.
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ko'proq xohlaysiz.
Va bizga buni tan olish umuman yoqmaydi.
Va bizga buni tan olish umuman yoqmaydi.
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We wish we were better husbands, better wives,
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Biz eng yaxshi erkak,
eng yaxshi ayol bo'lishni xohlaymiz,
eng yaxshi ayol bo'lishni xohlaymiz,
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smarter, more powerful,
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aqlliroq bo'lishni, kuchlroq bo'lishni,
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taller, richer --
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baland bo'yli, boy bo'lishni —
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the list goes on.
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va bu ro'yxat cheksiz.
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Lying is an attempt to bridge that gap,
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Yolg'on — bu faqat shu probellarni
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to connect our wishes and our fantasies
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to'ldirishga, kim bo'lishni xohlashimiz
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about who we wish we were, how we wish we could be,
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bilan bog'liq xohish-istaklarimiz
va fantaziyalarimizni
va fantaziyalarimizni
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with what we're really like.
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reallik bilan birlashtirishga urinish.
Afsuski, biz
Afsuski, biz
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And boy are we willing to fill in those gaps in our lives with lies.
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hayotimizdagi shunday probellarni yolg'on
bilan to'ldirishga
bilan to'ldirishga
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On a given day, studies show that you may be lied to
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tayyormiz. Bir kun davomida,
tadqiqotlarga ko'ra, sizga
tadqiqotlarga ko'ra, sizga
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anywhere from 10 to 200 times.
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10 dan 200 martagacha yolg'on gapirishadi.
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Now granted, many of those are white lies.
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Aniqlanishicha, ularning ko'p qismi
"oq" yolg'on.
"oq" yolg'on.
04:17
But in another study,
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Boshqa tadqiqotlar ko'rsatadiki, notanish
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it showed that strangers lied three times
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insonlar suhbatning ilk 10 daqiqasida
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within the first 10 minutes of meeting each other.
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bir-biriga uch marta yolg'on gapirishgan.
04:23
(Laughter)
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(Kulgu)
04:25
Now when we first hear this data, we recoil.
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Va hozir, biz bu haqda eshitayotib
daxshatga tushamiz. Yolg'on
daxshatga tushamiz. Yolg'on
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We can't believe how prevalent lying is.
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buncha ko'p uchrashiga ishona olmaymiz.
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We're essentially against lying.
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Tabiatan biz yolg'on gapirishga qarshimiz.
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But if you look more closely,
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Lekin e'tibor bersak,
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the plot actually thickens.
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hammasi yanada nozik.
Notanishlarga
Notanishlarga
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We lie more to strangers than we lie to coworkers.
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biz hamkasblarimizga nisbatan
ko'proq yolg'on gapiramiz.
ko'proq yolg'on gapiramiz.
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Extroverts lie more than introverts.
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Ekstravertlar introvertlarga qaraganda
ko'proq aldashadi.
ko'proq aldashadi.
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Men lie eight times more about themselves
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Erkaklar o'zi haqda boshqalar
haqda aldagandan
haqda aldagandan
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than they do other people.
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sakkiz marta ko'proq aldaydi.
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Women lie more to protect other people.
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Ayollar esa ko'proq kimnidir
himoya qilish uchun aldaydi.
himoya qilish uchun aldaydi.
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If you're an average married couple,
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Agar siz o'rtahol oilaviy juftlik
bo'lsangiz,
bo'lsangiz,
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you're going to lie to your spouse
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siz bir-biringizga 1/10 miqdorda
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in one out of every 10 interactions.
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yolg'on gapirasizlar.
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Now you may think that's bad.
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Siz bu yomon deb o'ylashingiz mumkin.
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If you're unmarried, that number drops to three.
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Agar xali turmush qurmagan
bo'lsangizlar,
bo'lsangizlar,
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Lying's complex.
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bu ko'rsatkich 3/10.
Yolg'on — murakkab.
Yolg'on — murakkab.
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It's woven into the fabric of our daily and our business lives.
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U bizning kundalik hayotimiz va ishimiz
bilan uzviy bog'liq.
bilan uzviy bog'liq.
05:07
We're deeply ambivalent about the truth.
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Bu borada biz qarama-qarshilikka duch
05:09
We parse it out on an as-needed basis,
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kelamiz.
Biz uni muhim bo'lgandagina
Biz uni muhim bo'lgandagina
05:11
sometimes for very good reasons,
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ishlatamiz.
Ezgu amallar bahonasi bilan.
Ezgu amallar bahonasi bilan.
05:13
other times just because we don't understand the gaps in our lives.
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Ba'zida esa hayotimizdagi probellarni
anglamayotganda.
anglamayotganda.
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That's truth number two about lying.
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Va bu yolg'on haqidagi ikkinchi haqiqat.
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We're against lying,
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Biz yolg'onga qarshimiz,
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but we're covertly for it
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lekin qalbimiz tub-tubida biz u
tomondamiz,
tomondamiz,
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in ways that our society has sanctioned
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azaldan beri shunday bo'lib kelmoqda,
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for centuries and centuries and centuries.
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va hozir ham.
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It's as old as breathing.
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Yolg'on dunyo kabi qadimiydir.
05:28
It's part of our culture, it's part of our history.
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U bizning tariximiz va madaniyatimizning
05:30
Think Dante, Shakespeare,
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bir qismiga aylangan.
Dante, Shekspir, Bibliya va
Dante, Shekspir, Bibliya va
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the Bible, News of the World.
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dunyo yangiliklarini esalang.
05:36
(Laughter)
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(Kulgu)
05:38
Lying has evolutionary value to us as a species.
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Yolg'on biz uchun tur sifatida evolyutsion
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Researchers have long known
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ahamiyatga ega.
Olimlar allaqachon
Olimlar allaqachon
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that the more intelligent the species,
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bilishadiki, tur qanchalik aqlli bo'lsa,
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the larger the neocortex,
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u turning miyasi shunchalik rivojlangan
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the more likely it is to be deceptive.
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va yolg'onga shu darajada moyil bo'ladi.
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Now you might remember Koko.
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Kokoni eslang.
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Does anybody remember Koko the gorilla who was taught sign language?
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Kimdir Kokoni eslaydimi? Imo-ishoralarga
o'rgatilgan gorillani.
o'rgatilgan gorillani.
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Koko was taught to communicate via sign language.
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Kokoni imo-ishoralar orqali muloqot
qilishga o'rgatishadi.
qilishga o'rgatishadi.
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Here's Koko with her kitten.
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Bu yerda esa biz Kokoni mushukcha bilan
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It's her cute little, fluffy pet kitten.
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ko'ryapmiz. Bu
uning kichkinagina, sevimli mushukchasi.
uning kichkinagina, sevimli mushukchasi.
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Koko once blamed her pet kitten
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Koko bir kuni o'zini aybini mushukchaga
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for ripping a sink out of the wall.
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to'nkaydi,
devordan uzilgan rakovina uchun.
devordan uzilgan rakovina uchun.
06:05
(Laughter)
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(Kulgu)
06:07
We're hardwired to become leaders of the pack.
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Tabiat bizga liderlik xususiyatini bergan.
06:09
It's starts really, really early.
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Va bu juda juda erta boshlangan.
06:11
How early?
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Qanchalik erta?
06:13
Well babies will fake a cry,
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Go'dak ba'zida yolg'ondan yig'lay oladi,
06:15
pause, wait to see who's coming
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kim kelayotganini bilish uchun bir to'xtab
06:17
and then go right back to crying.
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oladi va yana yig'lashda davom etishadi.
06:19
One-year-olds learn concealment.
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Bir yoshdagi bolalar haqiqatni yashirishni
06:21
(Laughter)
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o'rganishadi.
(Kulgu)
(Kulgu)
06:23
Two-year-olds bluff.
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Ikki yoshli go'dak esa aldashga urinadi.
06:25
Five-year-olds lie outright.
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Besh yoshli esa qiynalmay yolg'on
gapiradi.
gapiradi.
06:27
They manipulate via flattery.
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Atrofdagilarni maqtov bilan
manipulyatsiya
manipulyatsiya
06:29
Nine-year-olds, masters of the cover up.
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qiladi, 9 yoshda esa
niqoblanish ustalariga aylanishadi.
niqoblanish ustalariga aylanishadi.
06:32
By the time you enter college,
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Kollejga kiradigan yoshga yetib esa
06:34
you're going to lie to your mom in one out of every five interactions.
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siz onangizga 1/5 holatda aldashga
tayyorsiz.
tayyorsiz.
06:37
By the time we enter this work world and we're breadwinners,
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Katta bo'lib, o'zimizni ta'minlash uchun
ish dunyosiga kirgach,
ish dunyosiga kirgach,
06:40
we enter a world that is just cluttered
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biz spamlarga to'la,
soxta internet-
soxta internet-
06:42
with spam, fake digital friends,
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o'rtoqlarga, ig'vochi matbuotga,
06:44
partisan media,
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ayyor shaxsiy ma'lumot o'g'rilariga,
06:46
ingenious identity thieves,
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dunyo darajasidagi moliyaviy piramida
06:48
world-class Ponzi schemers,
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quruvchilariga to'la,
06:50
a deception epidemic --
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va yolg'on epidemiyasiga duchor bo'lgan,
06:52
in short, what one author calls
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bir gap bilan aytganda, bitta muallif
06:54
a post-truth society.
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ataganidek "post-haqiqat jamiyati"ga
duch keladi.
duch keladi.
06:57
It's been very confusing
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Bu azaldan beri bizni tushkunlikka soladi,
06:59
for a long time now.
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va bu hozirgacha davom etmoqda.
07:03
What do you do?
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Xo'sh, biz nima qilishimiz kerak?
07:05
Well there are steps we can take
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Bu loyqa yo'l orqali o'zimizga yo'l qurish
07:07
to navigate our way through the morass.
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oldini olishi kerak bo'lgan qadamlar bor.
07:09
Trained liespotters get to the truth 90 percent of the time.
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Yolg'on sezuvchi insonlar haqiqatga
90% holatda yetib boradi.
90% holatda yetib boradi.
07:12
The rest of us, we're only 54 percent accurate.
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Boshqalari haqda aytadigan bo'lsak,
ular 54% holatdagina aniq.
ular 54% holatdagina aniq.
07:15
Why is it so easy to learn?
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Nega buni o'rganish shunchalik oson?
07:17
There are good liars and there are bad liars. There are no real original liars.
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Yaxshi va yomon yolg'onchilar bor.
Asl yolg'onchilar bo'lmaydi.
Asl yolg'onchilar bo'lmaydi.
07:20
We all make the same mistakes. We all use the same techniques.
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Hammamiz bir xil xatolar qilamiz
va bir xil texnikaga egamiz.
va bir xil texnikaga egamiz.
07:23
So what I'm going to do
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Hozir men sizlarga
07:25
is I'm going to show you two patterns of deception.
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yolg'onning ikkita belgisini ko'rsataman.
07:27
And then we're going to look at the hot spots and see if we can find them ourselves.
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Keyin "issiq nuqtalarini" ko'rib chiqamiz,
mustaqil ravishda
mustaqil ravishda
07:30
We're going to start with speech.
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ularni topa olamizmi.
Va biz mana bu nutqdan dan boshlaymiz.
Va biz mana bu nutqdan dan boshlaymiz.
07:33
(Video) Bill Clinton: I want you to listen to me.
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(Video)
Bill Klinton: Men sizlar meni
Bill Klinton: Men sizlar meni
07:35
I'm going to say this again.
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tinglashingizni xohlayman.
Men yana bir bor
Men yana bir bor
07:37
I did not have sexual relations
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aytaman.
Menda u ayol, miss Levinski bilan
Menda u ayol, miss Levinski bilan
07:40
with that woman, Miss Lewinsky.
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jinsiy aloqa bo'lmagan.
Men hech qachon hech
Men hech qachon hech
07:44
I never told anybody to lie,
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kimni yolg'on gapirishga majburlamaganman,
07:46
not a single time, never.
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biror marta ham, hech qachon.
07:48
And these allegations are false.
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Va bu isibotsiz ayblovlar adolatsizdir.
Va men ishga qaytishim
Va men ishga qaytishim
07:51
And I need to go back to work for the American people.
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kerak, barcha amerikaliklar uchun.
07:53
Thank you.
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Rahmat.
07:58
Pamela Meyer: Okay, what were the telltale signs?
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Pamela Meyer:
Yaxshi, qayerda yolg'on belgilari bor?
Yaxshi, qayerda yolg'on belgilari bor?
08:01
Well first we heard what's known as a non-contracted denial.
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Birinchi navbatda biz mutlaqo
inkorni eshitdik.
inkorni eshitdik.
08:05
Studies show that people who are overdetermined in their denial
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Tadqiqotlar ko'rsatadiki, inkor etish
bilan band insonlar
bilan band insonlar
08:08
will resort to formal rather than informal language.
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norasmiyga qaraganda ko'proq
rasmiy tilda gapirishadi.
rasmiy tilda gapirishadi.
08:11
We also heard distancing language: "that woman."
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Biz shuningdek, uzoqlashish tiliga
guvoh bo'ldik: "u ayol".
guvoh bo'ldik: "u ayol".
08:14
We know that liars will unconsciously distance themselves
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Biz bilamizki, yolg'onchilar ongsiz holda
08:16
from their subject
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o'zlarini obyektdan ma'lum bir masofaga
08:18
using language as their tool.
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olishadi, buni qurol sifatida
ishlatishga urinib.
ishlatishga urinib.
08:21
Now if Bill Clinton had said, "Well, to tell you the truth ... "
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Agar Bill Klinton nutqini:
"Xo'sh, to'g'risini aytganda..." yoki
"Xo'sh, to'g'risini aytganda..." yoki
08:24
or Richard Nixon's favorite, "In all candor ... "
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Niksonning iborasi:
"Butun samimiyat bilan"
"Butun samimiyat bilan"
08:26
he would have been a dead giveaway
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deb boshlaganda, bu so'zlar
aldov sezuvchi
aldov sezuvchi
08:28
for any liespotter than knows
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har bir inson uchun rad etib
bo'lmaydigan
bo'lmaydigan
08:30
that qualifying language, as it's called, qualifying language like that,
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dalil bo'lgan bo'lar edi.
Bu kabi kvalifikatsion til,
Bu kabi kvalifikatsion til,
08:33
further discredits the subject.
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yanada ko'proq shubha uyg'otadi.
08:35
Now if he had repeated the question in its entirety,
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Agar u savolini takrorlaganida,
to'liq holida,
to'liq holida,
08:38
or if he had peppered his account with a little too much detail --
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yoki nutqini tafsilotlar bilan
bo'yaganida, u bu ishni
bo'yaganida, u bu ishni
08:42
and we're all really glad he didn't do that --
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qilmaganidan xursandmizki, u o'zini
08:44
he would have further discredited himself.
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yanada obro'sizlantirgan bo'lar edi.
08:46
Freud had it right.
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Freyd haq edi.
Freyd haqiqatdan ham
Freyd haqiqatdan ham
08:48
Freud said, look, there's much more to it than speech:
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muhimroq gapni aytgan:
"Birorta ham shunday jonzot yo'qki,
"Birorta ham shunday jonzot yo'qki,
08:51
"No mortal can keep a secret.
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sirlarni saqlay oladigan.
Xattoki til gapirmasa ham, lablar
Xattoki til gapirmasa ham, lablar
08:54
If his lips are silent, he chatters with his fingertips."
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qimirlamasa ham, barmoq uchlari gapiradi".
Biz qanchalik
Biz qanchalik
08:57
And we all do it no matter how powerful you are.
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o'zimizni boshqara olishimizdan qat'iy
nazar hammamizda shunday.
nazar hammamizda shunday.
09:00
We all chatter with our fingertips.
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Biz aslida barmoq uchlari bilan gapiramiz.
09:02
I'm going to show you Dominique Strauss-Kahn with Obama
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Hozir men sizga Dominik Strauss-Kanni
ko'rsataman, Barak Obama
ko'rsataman, Barak Obama
09:05
who's chattering with his fingertips.
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bilan, ularning barmoq uchlari bilan
gaplashayotganini.
gaplashayotganini.
09:08
(Laughter)
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(Kulgu)
09:11
Now this brings us to our next pattern,
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Xo'sh, bu bizni keyingi belgiga
olib keladi,
olib keladi,
09:14
which is body language.
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u tana tili deyiladi.
Bunga to'xtalsak,
Bunga to'xtalsak,
09:17
With body language, here's what you've got to do.
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mana siz uni qanday ishlatishingiz kerak.
Kallangizdagi barcha
Kallangizdagi barcha
09:20
You've really got to just throw your assumptions out the door.
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tahminlarni chiqarib tashlashingiz
kerak bo'ladi. Ilm-fanga
kerak bo'ladi. Ilm-fanga
09:23
Let the science temper your knowledge a little bit.
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yuzlanib bilimlarimizni
kuchaytirib olamiz.
kuchaytirib olamiz.
09:25
Because we think liars fidget all the time.
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Chunki bizning fikrimizcha, yolg'onchilar
doim asabiylashadi.
doim asabiylashadi.
09:28
Well guess what, they're known to freeze their upper bodies when they're lying.
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Aslida ular aldaganda tashqi belgilarni
muzlatishni bilishadi.
muzlatishni bilishadi.
09:31
We think liars won't look you in the eyes.
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O'ylaymizki, ular ko'zga
tik qaramaslikni afzal bilishadi.
tik qaramaslikni afzal bilishadi.
09:34
Well guess what, they look you in the eyes a little too much
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Ular aldayotib ko'zingizga tik qarashadi,
09:36
just to compensate for that myth.
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odatdagidan ham uzoqroq,
ishontirish uchun.
ishontirish uchun.
09:38
We think warmth and smiles
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Biz o'ylaymizki, suhbatdoshning
09:40
convey honesty, sincerity.
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samimiyligi va tabassumi
09:42
But a trained liespotter
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to'g'rilik va samimiyatni anglatadi deb.
09:44
can spot a fake smile a mile away.
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Lekin yolg'on aniqlashga usta inson bir
09:46
Can you all spot the fake smile here?
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mil' naridagi yolg'on tabassumni
ko'ra oladi. Bu yerda soxta
ko'ra oladi. Bu yerda soxta
09:50
You can consciously contract
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tabassumni aniqlay oladiganlar bormi?
09:52
the muscles in your cheeks.
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Siz keragicha yanoq mushaklarini
qisqartirishingiz mumkin.
qisqartirishingiz mumkin.
09:55
But the real smile's in the eyes, the crow's feet of the eyes.
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Lekin chin tabassum ko'zlarda
va atrofidagi ajinlardan bilinadi.
va atrofidagi ajinlardan bilinadi.
09:58
They cannot be consciously contracted,
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Undagi mushaklarni xohlagancha qisqartirib
10:00
especially if you overdid the Botox.
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bo'lmaydi, ayniqsa sizda boteks bo'lsa.
10:02
Don't overdo the Botox; nobody will think you're honest.
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Boteksga unchalik berilmang,
aks holda sizga hech kim ishonmay
aks holda sizga hech kim ishonmay
10:05
Now we're going to look at the hot spots.
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qo'yadi. Endi esa issiq
nuqtalarga o'tamiz.
nuqtalarga o'tamiz.
10:07
Can you tell what's happening in a conversation?
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Bu suhbatda nima bo'layotganini aytib bera
10:09
Can you start to find the hot spots
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olasizmi? So'zlar va harakatlar
bir-biri bilan to'g'ri
bir-biri bilan to'g'ri
10:12
to see the discrepancies
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kelmaydigan holatlarni qidirgan holda
10:14
between someone's words and someone's actions?
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issiq nuqtalarni qidira olasizmi?
Bilaman,
Bilaman,
10:16
Now I know it seems really obvious,
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bu oddiy ko'rinadi, lekin siz yolg'onda
10:18
but when you're having a conversation
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shubha qilayotgan inson bilan o'zingiz
10:20
with someone you suspect of deception,
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gaplashayotganingizda sizning u insonga
munosabatingiz
munosabatingiz
10:23
attitude is by far the most overlooked but telling of indicators.
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yolg'on-rost aniqlashini og'irlashtiradi.
10:26
An honest person is going to be cooperative.
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Rostgo'y inson hamkorlik qiladi.
10:28
They're going to show they're on your side.
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U siz tomoningizda ekanini ko'rsatishga
10:30
They're going to be enthusiastic.
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harakat qiladi.
Shijoatga to'la bo'ladi.
Shijoatga to'la bo'ladi.
10:32
They're going to be willing and helpful to getting you to the truth.
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Haqiqatni qidirishda yordam berishga
10:34
They're going to be willing to brainstorm, name suspects,
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tayyorligini bildiradi.
Muammoni yechishda aloqada bo'lishga,
Muammoni yechishda aloqada bo'lishga,
10:37
provide details.
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shubhalari bilan ulashishga
tayyor bo'ladi.
tayyor bo'ladi.
10:39
They're going to say, "Hey,
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U deydi: "Qara, cheklarni ishchilar
10:41
maybe it was those guys in payroll that forged those checks."
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shtatidagi yigitlar sohtalashtirgan
bo'lishi ham mumkin".
bo'lishi ham mumkin".
10:44
They're going to be infuriated if they sense they're wrongly accused
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Undan sababsiz shubha qilinayotganini
bilganda, jahli chiqadi,
bilganda, jahli chiqadi,
10:47
throughout the entire course of the interview, not just in flashes;
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butun intervyu davomida,
har onda bir emas.
har onda bir emas.
10:49
they'll be infuriated throughout the entire course of the interview.
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U butun intervyu davomida
g'azabda bo'ladi. Va agar
g'azabda bo'ladi. Va agar
10:52
And if you ask someone honest
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siz kimdandir pullarni soxtalashtirgan
10:54
what should happen to whomever did forge those checks,
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insonlarni qanday jazolash haqda
fikrini so'rasangiz,
fikrini so'rasangiz,
10:57
an honest person is much more likely
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rostgo'y inson katta ehtimol bilan,
10:59
to recommend strict rather than lenient punishment.
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eng qattiqqo'l jazoni aytadi, yengilidan
ko'ra. Endi keling faraz qilaylik,
ko'ra. Endi keling faraz qilaylik,
11:03
Now let's say you're having that exact same conversation
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yolg'onchi inson bilan aniq bir narsa
11:05
with someone deceptive.
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haqida gaplashayapsiz.
Bu inson yopilib
Bu inson yopilib
11:07
That person may be withdrawn,
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qolishi mumkin, oyog'i ostiga qarashi,
11:09
look down, lower their voice,
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pichirlab gapirishi, to'xtab qolishi,
11:11
pause, be kind of herky-jerky.
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taktsiz bo'lishi mumkin.
Yolg'onchidan
Yolg'onchidan
11:13
Ask a deceptive person to tell their story,
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o'zining tarixini so'zlab
berishni so'rang,
berishni so'rang,
11:15
they're going to pepper it with way too much detail
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va u hikoyasini keraksiz,
aloqador bo'lmagan detallarga
aloqador bo'lmagan detallarga
11:18
in all kinds of irrelevant places.
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to'ldirib tashlaydi.
Undan tashqari, u hikoyasini aniq
Undan tashqari, u hikoyasini aniq
11:21
And then they're going to tell their story in strict chronological order.
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xronologik tartibda aytib beradi.
Tajribali tergovchilar
Tajribali tergovchilar
11:24
And what a trained interrogator does
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bir necha soatlab vaqt davomida
shoshmasdan
shoshmasdan
11:26
is they come in and in very subtle ways
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tafsilotlarga chuqur kirib borishadi.
11:28
over the course of several hours,
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Keyin esa tergov qilinuvchidan
shu hikoyani
shu hikoyani
11:30
they will ask that person to tell that story backwards,
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teskari tartibda aytib berishni
so'rashadi. Va qanday
so'rashadi. Va qanday
11:33
and then they'll watch them squirm,
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asabiylashayotganining guvohi bo'lishadi,
11:35
and track which questions produce the highest volume of deceptive tells.
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shu tarzda aynan qaysi savollar
uni aldashga majbur qilganini
uni aldashga majbur qilganini
11:38
Why do they do that? Well we all do the same thing.
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bilib olishadi. Ular nega shunday qiladi?
Menimcha hammamiz
Menimcha hammamiz
11:41
We rehearse our words,
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bir xilmiz.
Biz nutqimizni mashq qilamiz
Biz nutqimizni mashq qilamiz
11:43
but we rarely rehearse our gestures.
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lekin imo-ishoralarimizni deyarli mashq
11:45
We say "yes," we shake our heads "no."
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qilmaymiz.
Biz "xa" deymiz, lekin boshimiz
Biz "xa" deymiz, lekin boshimiz
11:47
We tell very convincing stories, we slightly shrug our shoulders.
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"yo'q" deb ishora qiladi.
Biz juda ishonarli hikoylarni aytamiz
Biz juda ishonarli hikoylarni aytamiz
11:50
We commit terrible crimes,
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va ozgina yelkamizni qisib qo'yamiz.
11:52
and we smile at the delight in getting away with it.
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Biz og'ir jinoyat qilib qo'yamizda,
keyin jilmayamiz, suvdan
keyin jilmayamiz, suvdan
11:55
Now that smile is known in the trade as "duping delight."
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quruq chiqishni o'ylab.
Savdoda bunaqa tabassum "ahmoq qildim"
Savdoda bunaqa tabassum "ahmoq qildim"
11:58
And we're going to see that in several videos moving forward,
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deb nomlanadi. Hozir biz bu
videoda shuning guvohi bo'lamiz.
videoda shuning guvohi bo'lamiz.
12:01
but we're going to start -- for those of you who don't know him,
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Boshladik, bu insonni bilmaydiganlar
uchun
uchun
12:03
this is presidential candidate John Edwards
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— AQSH prezidentligiga
nomzod Jon Edvards, nikohsiz farzandning
nomzod Jon Edvards, nikohsiz farzandning
12:06
who shocked America by fathering a child out of wedlock.
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otasi bo'lib butun Amerikani
hayron qoldirgan. Biz hozir uning
hayron qoldirgan. Biz hozir uning
12:09
We're going to see him talk about getting a paternity test.
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otalik genetik analizi o'tkazish
haqidagi suhbatini kuzatamiz.
haqidagi suhbatini kuzatamiz.
12:12
See now if you can spot him
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Kuzating, siz uni fosh eta olasizmi?
12:14
saying, "yes" while shaking his head "no,"
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Xa deyayotib,
u boshi bilan "yo'q" deyapti,
u boshi bilan "yo'q" deyapti,
12:16
slightly shrugging his shoulders.
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yelkalarini ozgina qisib qo'ygan holda.
12:18
(Video) John Edwards: I'd be happy to participate in one.
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Jon Edvards:
Men bunda qatnashishdan mamnun
Men bunda qatnashishdan mamnun
12:20
I know that it's not possible that this child could be mine,
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bo'lgan bo'lar edim.
Men bilamanki, bu go'dak meniki bo'lishi
Men bilamanki, bu go'dak meniki bo'lishi
12:23
because of the timing of events.
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mumkin emas, agar muddatini hisobga olsak.
12:25
So I know it's not possible.
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Men aniq bilaman, buning iloji yo'q.
Men bu
Men bu
12:27
Happy to take a paternity test,
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testdan o'tishdan baxtiyor bo'lar edim va
12:29
and would love to see it happen.
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uning natijasini ko'rib hursand bo'lardim.
12:31
Interviewer: Are you going to do that soon? Is there somebody --
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Jurnalist: Va siz buni tez orada
qilasizmi? Kimdir...
qilasizmi? Kimdir...
12:34
JE: Well, I'm only one side. I'm only one side of the test.
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Jon Edvards: Bilasizmi, men bu testning
bir tomoniman xolos.
bir tomoniman xolos.
12:37
But I'm happy to participate in one.
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Lekin men bunda qatnashishdan hursand
bo'lgan bo'lar edim.
bo'lgan bo'lar edim.
12:40
PM: Okay, those head shakes are much easier to spot
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Pamela: Agar siz bu yerda nima izlashni
12:42
once you know to look for them.
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bilsangiz, aynan bosh
harakatlaridan bilish
harakatlaridan bilish
12:44
There're going to be times
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osonligini bilasiz.
Vaqti-vaqti bilan
Vaqti-vaqti bilan
12:46
when someone makes one expression
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insonning yuzi bir xil ifoda ko'rsatadi,
12:48
while masking another that just kind of leaks through in a flash.
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aslida boshqa ifodani niqoblagan va
onda-sonda ko'ringan holda.
onda-sonda ko'ringan holda.
12:52
Murderers are known to leak sadness.
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Ma'lumki, qotillarni qayg'u fosh etadi.
12:54
Your new joint venture partner might shake your hand,
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Yangi biznes-sherigingiz siz bilan qo'l
12:56
celebrate, go out to dinner with you
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tashlashi mumkin, siz bilan ovqatlanishi,
12:58
and then leak an expression of anger.
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va birdan g'azab belgilarini sezib
qolishi mumkin.
qolishi mumkin.
13:01
And we're not all going to become facial expression experts overnight here,
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Biz bir kechada yuz ifodalari bo'yicha
ekspert bo'lib qolmasmiz,
ekspert bo'lib qolmasmiz,
13:04
but there's one I can teach you that's very dangerous, and it's easy to learn,
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lekin bir narsa borki, men sizga buni
oson o'rgata olaman.
oson o'rgata olaman.
13:07
and that's the expression of contempt.
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Bu nafrat ifodasi.
Gap g'azab haqda ketganda,
Gap g'azab haqda ketganda,
13:10
Now with anger, you've got two people on an even playing field.
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biz buni bir xil sharoyitda turgan
ikkita insonning ishi deymiz.
ikkita insonning ishi deymiz.
13:13
It's still somewhat of a healthy relationship.
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Bu sog'lom munosabatlarga o'xshaydi.
13:15
But when anger turns to contempt,
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Lekin agar g'azab nafratga aylansa,
13:17
you've been dismissed.
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siz hisobdan o'chirilasiz.
13:19
It's associated with moral superiority.
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Nafrat axloqiy ustunlik bilan bog'liqdir.
13:21
And for that reason, it's very, very hard to recover from.
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Va shu sabab undan qutulish juda
ham qiyin.
ham qiyin.
13:24
Here's what it looks like.
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Mana u nimaga o'xshaydi.
13:26
It's marked by one lip corner
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Nafratda shunday lab burchaklari bo'ladi,
13:28
pulled up and in.
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sal ko'tarilgan va orqaga tortilgan.
13:30
It's the only asymmetrical expression.
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Bu assimetrik yuz ifodasi xolos.
Agar nafrat mavjud bo'lsa va
Agar nafrat mavjud bo'lsa va
13:33
And in the presence of contempt,
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uning ortida yolg'on yashiringan
bo'lishiga
bo'lishiga
13:35
whether or not deception follows --
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qaramay,
odatda ular nafratli
odatda ular nafratli
13:37
and it doesn't always follow --
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munosabatlarda yonma-yon kelmaydi,
13:39
look the other way, go the other direction,
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belgilarni boshqa tomondan qidiring,
13:41
reconsider the deal,
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bitimni ko'rib chiqing,
13:43
say, "No thank you. I'm not coming up for just one more nightcap. Thank you."
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shunday deng: "Yo'q, rahmat.
Menimcha shu joyida to'xtaymiz. Rahmat".
Menimcha shu joyida to'xtaymiz. Rahmat".
13:47
Science has surfaced
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Fan tomonidan
13:49
many, many more indicators.
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juda ko'p indikatorlar aniqlangan.
13:51
We know, for example,
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Masalan, biz bilamizki, aldayotgan insonda
13:53
we know liars will shift their blink rate,
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ko'z ochib-yumish chastotasi o'zgaradi,
13:55
point their feet towards an exit.
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oyoqlari esa chiqish tomonga qarab turadi.
13:57
They will take barrier objects
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Ular turli metodlarni qo'llashadi,
13:59
and put them between themselves and the person that is interviewing them.
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to'siq sifatida ularni o'zi va suhbatdoshi
orasiga qo'yadi.
orasiga qo'yadi.
14:02
They'll alter their vocal tone,
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Ular ovoz tonini o'zgartirishadi,
14:04
often making their vocal tone much lower.
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odatda, uni sal tushirgan holda.
14:07
Now here's the deal.
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Endi esa — eng muhimi.
14:09
These behaviors are just behaviors.
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Bunday harakat — oddiy bir harakat xolos.
14:12
They're not proof of deception.
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Uni yolg'onning isboti deyish mumkin emas.
14:14
They're red flags.
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Bu qizil bayroqchalar.
Hammamiz insonmiz.
Hammamiz insonmiz.
14:16
We're human beings.
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Kun davomida hammamiz yolg'on haqida xabar
14:18
We make deceptive flailing gestures all over the place all day long.
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beruvchi turliv ishoralar qilamiz.
Yakka holda ular ko'p narsa
Yakka holda ular ko'p narsa
14:21
They don't mean anything in and of themselves.
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anglatmaydi.
Lekin siz bunday belgilarning
Lekin siz bunday belgilarning
14:23
But when you see clusters of them, that's your signal.
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juda ko'pini bir vaqtda ko'rsangiz,
bu sizga signal bo'lishi
bu sizga signal bo'lishi
14:26
Look, listen, probe, ask some hard questions,
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kerak. Kuzating, yaxshilab
tinglang, qiyin savollar bering va
tinglang, qiyin savollar bering va
14:29
get out of that very comfortable mode of knowing,
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oson o'rganish rejimini tark eting,
qiziquvchanlik rejimiga
qiziquvchanlik rejimiga
14:32
walk into curiosity mode, ask more questions,
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o'ting, ko'proq savollar bering,
shaxsiy qadr-qimmatingizni
shaxsiy qadr-qimmatingizni
14:35
have a little dignity, treat the person you're talking to with rapport.
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saqlab qoling, suhbatdosh
bilan o'zaro tushinishga erishing.
bilan o'zaro tushinishga erishing.
14:38
Don't try to be like those folks on "Law & Order" and those other TV shows
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O'z o'ljasini tan olishga majburlaydigan
"Qonun va tartib" kabi
"Qonun va tartib" kabi
14:41
that pummel their subjects into submission.
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TV-shoulardagilardek bo'lishga intilmang.
14:43
Don't be too aggressive, it doesn't work.
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Haddan ortiq agressiv bo'lmang,
bu ishlamaydi.
bu ishlamaydi.
14:46
Now we've talked a little bit
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Demak, biz yolg'onchi bilan
qanday muloqot
qanday muloqot
14:48
about how to talk to someone who's lying
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qilish kerakligi va qanday uni fosh etish
14:50
and how to spot a lie.
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mumkinligi haqda biroz gaplashib oldik.
14:52
And as I promised, we're now going to look at what the truth looks like.
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Va'da qilganimdek, endi rost nimaga
o'xshashini ko'rib chiqamiz.
o'xshashini ko'rib chiqamiz.
14:55
But I'm going to show you two videos,
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Sizga ikki videoni ko'rsatishni
xohlayman,
xohlayman,
14:57
two mothers -- one is lying, one is telling the truth.
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biri rost, biri yolg'on gapirayotgan
ikkita onani.
ikkita onani.
15:00
And these were surfaced
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Bu roliklar Kaliforniyalik tadqiqotchi
15:02
by researcher David Matsumoto in California.
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Devid Matsumoto tomonidan o'rganilgan.
15:04
And I think they're an excellent example
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Va menimcha, ular haqiqat nimaga o'xshash
15:06
of what the truth looks like.
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ekanligining yorqin misoli bo'la oladi.
15:08
This mother, Diane Downs,
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Bu ona Dian Dauns, u o'z bolalarini
15:10
shot her kids at close range,
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masofadan otib tashlagan, ularni
15:12
drove them to the hospital
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shifoxonaga olib borgan, ular mashinada
15:14
while they bled all over the car,
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qonga botib yotgan
bir paytda buni notanish
bir paytda buni notanish
15:16
claimed a scraggy-haired stranger did it.
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kal odam qildi deb ko'rsatma bergan.
15:18
And you'll see when you see the video,
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Videoni ko'rib, bolalari
uchun kuyinayotgan
uchun kuyinayotgan
15:20
she can't even pretend to be an agonizing mother.
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onaga umuman o'xshamasligini tushunasiz.
15:22
What you want to look for here
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Bunda siz topishingiz mumkin bo'lgan
jihat,
jihat,
15:24
is an incredible discrepancy
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u aytib berayotgan daxshatli
voqealar bilan
voqealar bilan
15:26
between horrific events that she describes
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uning sovuq, ehtiyotkor o'zini tutishi
15:28
and her very, very cool demeanor.
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o'rtasida aqlbovar qilmas
nomuvofiqlikdir.
nomuvofiqlikdir.
15:30
And if you look closely, you'll see duping delight throughout this video.
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Butun video davomida "ahmoq qildim"
ifodasini ko'rish mumkin.
ifodasini ko'rish mumkin.
15:33
(Video) Diane Downs: At night when I close my eyes,
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Diana Dauns:
Tunda ko'zimni yumganimda,
Tunda ko'zimni yumganimda,
15:35
I can see Christie reaching her hand out to me while I'm driving,
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men mashinadan menga qo'lini uzatayotgan
Kristini ko'raman,
Kristini ko'raman,
15:38
and the blood just kept coming out of her mouth.
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va uning og'zidan qon kelishda davom
etayotgan bo'ladi.
etayotgan bo'ladi.
15:41
And that -- maybe it'll fade too with time --
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Balki, vaqt o'tib bu o'tib ketar,
15:43
but I don't think so.
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lekin men unday o'ylamayman.
15:45
That bothers me the most.
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Mana meni nima ko'proq xavotirlantiradi.
15:55
PM: Now I'm going to show you a video
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Pamela Meyer:
Hozir esa men sizlarga
Hozir esa men sizlarga
15:57
of an actual grieving mother, Erin Runnion,
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haqiqiy ona qayg'usini, Erin Runnion,
15:59
confronting her daughter's murderer and torturer in court.
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qizining qotiliga qarshi suddagi nutqini
ko'rsataman.
ko'rsataman.
16:03
Here you're going to see no false emotion,
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Siz bunda soxta emotsiyalarni
ko'rmaysiz,
ko'rmaysiz,
16:05
just the authentic expression of a mother's agony.
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faqat onaning chuqur qayg'usi.
16:08
(Video) Erin Runnion: I wrote this statement on the third anniversary
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Erin Runnion:
Men bu arizani sen qizimni
Men bu arizani sen qizimni
16:10
of the night you took my baby,
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o'g'irlab ketganingdan uch kun
o'tib yozdim
o'tib yozdim
16:12
and you hurt her,
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va sen uni qiynading,
16:14
and you crushed her,
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sen uni yo'q qilding,
16:16
you terrified her until her heart stopped.
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sen uni yuragi to'xtab
qolgunicha qo'rqitding.
qolgunicha qo'rqitding.
16:20
And she fought, and I know she fought you.
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U kurashgan, men bilaman,
u sen bilan kurashgan.
u sen bilan kurashgan.
16:23
But I know she looked at you
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Men bilaman, u senga ajoyib jigarrang
16:25
with those amazing brown eyes,
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ko'zlari bilan qaragan,
16:27
and you still wanted to kill her.
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sen esa shundayam uni o'ldirishni
xohlagansan.
xohlagansan.
16:30
And I don't understand it,
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Va men buni tushunmayman,
16:32
and I never will.
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hech qachon tushuna olmayman.
16:35
PM: Okay, there's no doubting the veracity of those emotions.
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Pamela Meyer: Xo'sh, bu hissiyotlarning
haqiqiy ekaniga hech qanday shubha yo'q.
haqiqiy ekaniga hech qanday shubha yo'q.
16:39
Now the technology around what the truth looks like
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Bugungi kunda haqiqatni aniqlovchi
texnologiya
texnologiya
16:42
is progressing on, the science of it.
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ilm-fan yutuqlari bilan borgan sari
rivojlanmoqda.
rivojlanmoqda.
16:45
We know for example
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Masalan, bizga ma'lumki, hozirda
16:47
that we now have specialized eye trackers and infrared brain scans,
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ko'z harakatlari trekeri va infraqizil
miya skanerlari, rezonans
miya skanerlari, rezonans
16:50
MRI's that can decode the signals that our bodies send out
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magnitli tomograflar bor va
ular biz aldashga urinayotganimizda
ular biz aldashga urinayotganimizda
16:53
when we're trying to be deceptive.
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bu haqda signallar beradi.
16:55
And these technologies are going to be marketed to all of us
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Va bu texnologiyalar tez orada hammamizga
taklif qilinadi,
taklif qilinadi,
16:58
as panaceas for deceit,
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yolg'ondan qutilishning yo'li sifatida.
17:00
and they will prove incredibly useful some day.
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Qachondir ular o'zining foydasini
isbotlashadi. Lekin shunday
isbotlashadi. Lekin shunday
17:03
But you've got to ask yourself in the meantime:
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vaqtda siz o'zingizdan so'rashingiz kerak:
17:05
Who do you want on your side of the meeting,
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Kim bilan siz barrikadaning bir tarafida
17:07
someone who's trained in getting to the truth
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bo'lishni xoxlardingiz,
haqiqatni aniqlay oladigan inson bilanmi
haqiqatni aniqlay oladigan inson bilanmi
17:10
or some guy who's going to drag a 400-pound electroencephalogram
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yoki 200 kg elektroensefalografni joyidan
17:12
through the door?
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siljitishga intilayotgan inson bilanmi?
17:14
Liespotters rely on human tools.
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Yolg'onni ko'ra oluvchilar ko'proq insoniy
emotsiyalar mavjudligiga qarashadi.
emotsiyalar mavjudligiga qarashadi.
17:18
They know, as someone once said,
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Bir paytlar kimdir ushbu gapni aytgan:
17:20
"Character's who you are in the dark."
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"Xarakter bu sening qorong'ulikda kim
17:22
And what's kind of interesting
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ekanligingdir".
Va eng qizig'i shuki,
Va eng qizig'i shuki,
17:24
is that today we have so little darkness.
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bugun shu qorong'ulik juda kam.
17:26
Our world is lit up 24 hours a day.
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Bizning dunyoda sutkasiga 24 soat
chiroqlar yoniq.
chiroqlar yoniq.
17:29
It's transparent
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U shaffof,
17:31
with blogs and social networks
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ijtimoiy hayotni tanlagan butun
17:33
broadcasting the buzz of a whole new generation of people
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yangi avlodning mish-mishlarini keng
17:35
that have made a choice to live their lives in public.
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yoyadigan bloglar va ijtimoiy tarmoqlar
hisobiga.
hisobiga.
17:38
It's a much more noisy world.
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Hozirgi dunyo ancha shovqinli.
17:42
So one challenge we have
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Shuning uchun ham bizning vazifamiz qiyin:
17:44
is to remember,
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haddan tashqari ochiqlik —
17:46
oversharing, that's not honesty.
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rostgo'ylik emasligini unutmaslik.
Bizning daxshatli darajada
Bizning daxshatli darajada
17:49
Our manic tweeting and texting
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Twitterda muloqot qilishga va xabarlar
17:51
can blind us to the fact
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almashishga tashnaligimiz qadr-qimmatga
17:53
that the subtleties of human decency -- character integrity --
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ega bo'lib kelgan insoniyat xulqining
nozik jihatlari, xarakter
nozik jihatlari, xarakter
17:56
that's still what matters, that's always what's going to matter.
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butunligi kabi faktorlarni soyada
qoldirishi mumkin.
qoldirishi mumkin.
17:59
So in this much noisier world,
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Shuning uchun hozirgidek shovqinli dunyoda
18:01
it might make sense for us
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axloqiy me'yorlarimiz bilan bog'liq
18:03
to be just a little bit more explicit
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bo'lgan jihatlarga yanada jiddiyroq
18:05
about our moral code.
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yondashish alohida o'rin tutadi.
18:08
When you combine the science of recognizing deception
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Siz yolg'onni fosh etishni o'rganish bilan
18:10
with the art of looking, listening,
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diqqat bilan eshitish va kuzatishni
18:12
you exempt yourself from collaborating in a lie.
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birlashtirsangiz o'zingizni yolg'onlardan
asragan bo'lasiz.
asragan bo'lasiz.
18:15
You start up that path
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Atrofingizdagilarga: "Mening dunyoyim,
18:17
of being just a little bit more explicit,
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bizning dunyo rost dunyo bo'ladi.
18:19
because you signal to everyone around you,
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Mening dunyoyimda rost hamma narsaga qodir
18:21
you say, "Hey, my world, our world,
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va yolg'onni fosh etib, unga e'tibor
bermaydilar"
bermaydilar"
18:24
it's going to be an honest one.
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deyotgandan holda,
18:26
My world is going to be one where truth is strengthened
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siz ushbu katta aniqlikka qarab
18:28
and falsehood is recognized and marginalized."
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yo'l boshlaysiz.
18:31
And when you do that,
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Va siz buni uddalaganingizda
18:33
the ground around you starts to shift just a little bit.
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atrofingizdagi dunyo asta-sekin
o'zgarishni boshlaydi.
o'zgarishni boshlaydi.
18:36
And that's the truth. Thank you.
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Va bu chin haqiqat. Rahmat.
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(Applause)
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Translated by Nazarbek Nazarov
ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Pamela Meyer - Lie detectorPamela Meyer thinks we’re facing a pandemic of deception, but she’s arming people with tools that can help take back the truth.
Why you should listen
Social media expert Pamela Meyer can tell when you’re lying. If it’s not your words that give you away, it’s your posture, eyes, breathing rate, fidgets, and a host of other indicators. Worse, we are all lied to up to 200 times a day, she says, from the white lies that allow society to function smoothly to the devastating duplicities that bring down corporations and break up families.
Working with a team of researchers over several years, Meyer, who is CEO of social networking company Simpatico Networks, collected and reviewed most of the research on deception that has been published, from such fields as law-enforcement, military, psychology and espionage. She then became an expert herself, receiving advanced training in deception detection, including multiple courses of advanced training in interrogation, microexpression analysis, statement analysis, behavior and body language interpretation, and emotion recognition. Her research is synthetized in her bestselling book Liespotting.
More profile about the speakerWorking with a team of researchers over several years, Meyer, who is CEO of social networking company Simpatico Networks, collected and reviewed most of the research on deception that has been published, from such fields as law-enforcement, military, psychology and espionage. She then became an expert herself, receiving advanced training in deception detection, including multiple courses of advanced training in interrogation, microexpression analysis, statement analysis, behavior and body language interpretation, and emotion recognition. Her research is synthetized in her bestselling book Liespotting.
Pamela Meyer | Speaker | TED.com