ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Michael Kimmel - Sociologist
The author of "Angry White Men," Michael Kimmel is a pre-eminent scholar of men and masculinity.

Why you should listen

Sociologist Michael Kimmel is among the leading researchers and writers on men and masculinity in the world. He's the executive director of the Center for the Study of Men and Masculinities at Stony Brook University, where he is also Distinguished University Professor of Sociology and Gender Studies.

He is the author of many books, including Manhood in AmericaAngry White Men, and the best seller Guyland: The Perilous World Where Boys Become Men. An activist for gender equality for more than 30 years, he was recently called "the world's preeminent male feminist" by the Guardian.

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TEDWomen 2015

Michael Kimmel: Why gender equality is good for everyone — men included

Michael Kimmel: 男女平等有益于每个人——包括男人

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是的,我们都知道应该持有男女平等的观念。然而Michael Kimmel利用有趣实际的案例来阐述该如何在工作以及生活中公平对待男人以及女人。这不是一场零和博弈,而是一场双赢的局面,最终可以使得每个人的生活中邂逅更多的机会以及收获更多的快乐。
- Sociologist
The author of "Angry White Men," Michael Kimmel is a pre-eminent scholar of men and masculinity. Full bio

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I'm here to recruit men男人
to support支持 gender性别 equality平等.
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我现在要邀请各位男士支持性别平等
00:16
(Cheers干杯)
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(掌声)
00:19
Wait, wait. What?
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不对,等一下,你说什么?
00:22
What do men男人 have to do
with gender性别 equality平等?
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性别平等跟男人有什么关系?
00:25
Gender性别 equality平等 is about women妇女, right?
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性别平等是女人的事吧!
00:27
I mean, the word gender性别 is about women妇女.
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难道“性别”这个词不就指的是女性吗?
00:32
Actually其实, I'm even here speaking请讲
as a middle中间 class white白色 man.
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我现在演讲的身份就是,一个中产阶级白种男人
00:36
Now, I wasn't always
a middle中间 class white白色 man.
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其实,我并不是“生来”就是一个中产阶级白种男人
00:39
It all happened发生 for me about 30 years年份 ago
when I was in graduate毕业 school学校,
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而一切都始于三十年前,我还在读研的时候
00:44
and a bunch of us graduate毕业 students学生们
got together一起 one day,
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有一天,我们一群研究生聚在一起
说起,那时候有一股
00:48
and we said, you know,
there's an explosion爆炸
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有关女性主义话题的写作以及思考的热潮
00:50
of writing写作 and thinking思维
in feminist女权主义者 theory理论,
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00:54
but there's no courses培训班 yet然而.
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然而却并没有这方面的课程
00:56
So we did what graduate毕业 students学生们
typically一般 do in a situation情况 like that.
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通常在这种情况下,研究生们就要组织个学习小组啦
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We said, OK, let's have a study研究 group.
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然后我们就搞了一个学习小组
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We'll read a text文本, we'll talk about it,
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读读文献,讨论一下
01:05
we'll have a potluck便饭 dinner晚餐.
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然后再来个百乐餐
01:06
(Laughter笑声)
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(笑)
01:08
So every一切 week,
11 women妇女 and me got together一起.
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所以每周,我和其他11个女孩子一起
01:11
(Laughter笑声)
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(笑)
01:14
We would read some text文本 in feminist女权主义者 theory理论
and have a conversation会话 about it.
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我们会阅读关于女性主义的文章并且相互讨论
01:18
And during one of our conversations对话,
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然而目睹其中一次对话的经历
01:20
I witnessed目击 an interaction相互作用
that changed my life forever永远.
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彻底改变了我的人生
01:25
It was a conversation会话 between之间 two women妇女.
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那是两个女生在讨论
01:28
One of the women妇女 was white白色,
and one was black黑色.
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一个是白人,另一个是黑人
01:32
And the white白色 woman女人 said --
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白种女生说
01:34
this is going to sound声音
very anachronistic不合时宜 now --
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——现在听起来是非常荒谬的——
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the white白色 woman女人 said, "All women妇女
face面对 the same相同 oppression压迫 as women妇女.
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白种女生说,“所有的女性,都承受着同样的压迫。
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All women妇女 are similarly同样
situated位于 in patriarchy父权制,
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在这个父权制的社会,女性都处在同一地位
01:45
and therefore因此 all women妇女 have a kind
of intuitive直观的 solidarity团结 or sisterhood姐妹."
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所以,所有女性都会出于直觉地团结在一起,视彼此为姐妹。“
01:50
And the black黑色 woman女人 said,
"I'm not so sure.
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而那个黑人女生说,“我有不同的看法。
01:54
Let me ask you a question."
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那我问你个问题,”
01:56
So the black黑色 woman女人
says to the white白色 woman女人,
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黑人女生问白人女生
01:59
"When you wake唤醒 up in the morning早上
and you look in the mirror镜子,
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“你每天早上醒来,对着镜子
02:01
what do you see?"
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你看到什么?”
02:03
And the white白色 woman女人 said, "I see a woman女人."
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“我看到的是我,一个女人。”白人女生回答
02:05
And the black黑色 woman女人 said,
"You see, that's the problem问题 for me.
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黑人女生说,“你看,这就是我的问题
02:09
Because when I wake唤醒 up in the morning早上
and I look in the mirror镜子," she said,
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因为我每天早上醒来对着镜子
我看到的是我,一个黑种女人。
02:12
"I see a black黑色 woman女人.
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02:13
To me, race种族 is visible可见. But to you,
race种族 is invisible无形. You don't see it."
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对于我来说,种族差异是可见的,而对你,种族观念是无形的。你是感受不到的。”
02:19
And then she said
something really startling触目惊心.
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之后她说的话很令我震撼
02:22
She said, "That's how privilege特权 works作品.
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她说,“这就是特权。
02:25
Privilege特权 is invisible无形
to those who have it."
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对于拥有的人来说,它是无形的
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It is a luxury豪华, I will say
to the white白色 people sitting坐在 in this room房间,
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我想对这个屋子里所有的白人说
能够不用时时刻刻把种族放在心上,这是种奢侈。“
02:31
not to have to think about race种族
every一切 split分裂 second第二 of our lives生活.
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Privilege特权 is invisible无形
to those who have it.
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特权对于拥有它的人来说是无形的
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Now remember记得, I was
the only man in this group,
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还记得吗,我是那个组里唯一的男生
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so when I witnessed目击 this, I went, "Oh no."
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所以当我目睹了这次讨论之后,我说:“哎呀,糟糕”
02:44
(Laughter笑声)
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(笑)
02:46
And somebody said,
"Well what was that reaction反应?"
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有人问我,“你干嘛这个反应呀?”
02:48
And I said, "Well, when I wake唤醒 up
in the morning早上 and I look in the mirror镜子,
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我说,“你看,我每天早上醒来,对着镜子
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I see a human人的 being存在.
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我只会想,我是一个人
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I'm kind of the generic通用 person.
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我的唯一属性就是人
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You know, I'm a middle中间 class white白色 man.
I have no race种族, no class, no gender性别.
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我是一个中产阶级白种男性,没有种族、阶级或者性别的意识
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I'm universally举世 generalizable一般化."
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简直是全世界皆可通用的身份了。
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(Laughter笑声)
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(笑)
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So I like to think that was the moment时刻
I became成为 a middle中间 class white白色 man,
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我想大概就是从那时候开始,我成为了一个中产阶级白人男性
03:08
that class and race种族 and gender性别
were not about other people,
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阶级、种族以及性别不再只是别人的事情了
03:12
they were about me.
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我也有份
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I had to start开始 thinking思维 about them,
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我开始思考这些问题
03:16
and it had been privilege特权 that had
kept不停 it invisible无形 to me for so long.
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意识到自己一直以来拥有着这种特权而不自知
03:21
Now, I wish希望 I could tell you
this story故事 ends结束 30 years年份 ago
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这就是三十年前在那个讨论组里发生的小故事
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in that little discussion讨论 group,
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我本以为这个事情就过去了
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but I was reminded提醒 of it quite相当 recently最近
at my university大学 where I teach.
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而最近我因为上课又想起来这件事
我和一位女性同事
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I have a colleague同事, and she and I
both teach the sociology社会学 of gender性别 course课程
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03:33
on alternate备用 semesters学期.
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轮流教授性别课程
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So she gives a guest客人 lecture演讲
for me when I teach.
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我授课的时候她会来做客座教授
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I give a guest客人 lecture演讲
for her when she teaches.
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她授课的时候我去做客座教授
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So I walk步行 into her class
to give a guest客人 lecture演讲,
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一次我作为客座教授去给她的班级上课
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about 300 students学生们 in the room房间,
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教室里大概有300个学生
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and as I walk步行 in, one of the students学生们
looks容貌 up and says,
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当我走进教室的时候,一个学生抬起头说到
03:48
"Oh, finally最后, an objective目的 opinion意见."
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“哦,终于有个能说点客观看法的人了!”
03:52
All that semester学期, whenever每当
my colleague同事 opened打开 her mouth,
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所以整个学期,只要我的同事一开口
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what my students学生们 saw was a woman女人.
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学生们想到的就是,“她是个女人”
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I mean, if you were to say to my students学生们,
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只要她说
04:00
"There is structural结构 inequality不等式
based基于 on gender性别 in the United联合的 States状态,"
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“美国社会存在针对女性的结构性不平等,”
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they'd他们会 say, "Well of course课程
you'd say that.
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他们就会说,”你当然这么觉得啦
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You're a woman女人. You're biased."
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你是女人,你是有偏见的。”
04:07
When I say it, they go,
"Wow, is that interesting有趣.
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而当我说同样的话,他们会说“嗯,有点意思。
04:10
Is that going to be on the test测试?
How do you spell拼写 'structural'“结构性”?"
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这个考试会考到吗?’结构性‘几个字怎么写?”
04:13
(Laughter笑声)
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(笑)
04:15
So I hope希望 you all can see,
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所以我要让你们看看
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this is what objectivity客观性 looks容貌 like.
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什么叫客观
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(Laughter笑声) (Applause掌声)
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(笑,掌声)
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Disembodied脱离现实 Western西 rationality理性.
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虚无缥缈的西方式理性
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(Laughter笑声)
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(算了吧。)
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And that, by the way, is why I think
men男人 so often经常 wear穿 ties联系.
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而且我觉得,这也是为什么男人打领带的原因
04:34
(Laughter笑声)
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(笑)
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Because if you are going to embody体现
disembodied脱离现实 Western西 rationality理性,
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因为如果你想要表现这种空洞的西方式的理性
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you need a signifier能指,
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就需要一个象征物
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and what could be a better signifier能指
of disembodied脱离现实 Western西 rationality理性
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而有什么能比这种一头是套索,另一头指向男性生殖器的服饰
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than a garment服装 that at one end结束 is a noose套索
and the other end结束 points to the genitals生殖器?
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更能代表这种无实质的西方式理性呢?
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(Laughter笑声) (Applause掌声)
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(笑,掌声)
04:57
That is mind-body身心 dualism二元论 right there.
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这不就是身心二元论嘛
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So making制造 gender性别 visible可见 to men男人
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所以,让男性意识到性别的存在
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is the first step to engaging men男人
to support支持 gender性别 equality平等.
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是让男性加入到争取性别平等行列的第一步。
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Now, when men男人 first hear
about gender性别 equality平等,
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很多男人第一次听到性别平等的时候
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when they first start开始 thinking思维 about it,
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当他们第一次思考性别平等的时候
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they often经常 think, many许多 men男人 think,
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通常会想
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well, that's right,
that's fair公平, that's just,
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嗯没错,男女平等是正确的,是公平的
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that's the ethical合乎道德的 imperative势在必行.
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在道德层面讲是必要的
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But not all men男人.
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但不是所有男人都会这么想
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Some men男人 think --
the lightning闪电 bolt螺栓 goes off,
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一闪念过后
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and they go, "Oh my God,
yes, gender性别 equality平等,"
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他们会想,哦对,性别平等啊
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and they will immediately立即 begin开始
to mansplainmansplain to you your oppression压迫.
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然后他们就立即开始向你讲述你的困扰
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They see supporting支持 gender性别 equality平等
something akin类似的 to the cavalry骑兵,
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在他们心里,支持性别平等就如同救赎一样
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like, "Thanks谢谢 very much for bringing使 this
to our attention注意, ladies女士们,
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“非常感谢,女士们,感谢你们提出来,
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we'll take it from here."
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我们会谨记在心."
05:49
This results结果 in a syndrome综合征 that I like
to call 'premature“过早 self-congratulation沾沾自喜.'
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我把这个称为“过早自我陶醉综合症“
05:53
(Laughter笑声) (Applause掌声)
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(笑)(掌声)
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There's another另一个 group, though虽然,
that actively积极地 resists光刻胶 gender性别 equality平等,
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不过还有另外一群人 坚决反对性别平等
06:02
that sees看到 gender性别 equality平等
as something that is detrimental有害 to men男人.
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他们认为性别平等对男性不利
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I was on a TV电视 talk show显示
opposite对面 four white白色 men男人.
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一次我在一档电视节目里 和四位白种男人辩论
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This is the beginning开始 of the book
I wrote, 'Angry'愤怒 White白色 Men男人.'
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这也是我写的《愤怒的白种男人》这本书的开头
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These were four angry愤怒 white白色 men男人
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他们四位就非常愤怒
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who believed相信 that they,
white白色 men男人 in America美国,
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认为在美国的职场,
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were the victims受害者 of reverse相反 discrimination区别
in the workplace职场.
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白种男性才是这种歧视的受害者
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And they all told stories故事
about how they were qualified合格 for jobs工作,
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他们讲的都是,他们如何的适合一份工作
如何应该得到晋升
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qualified合格 for promotions促销,
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06:30
they didn't get them,
they were really angry愤怒.
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但是却没有得到工作或者晋升机会,因而怒气冲冲
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And the reason原因 I'm telling告诉 you this
is I want you to hear the title标题
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我讲这个是想让你们听听
06:35
of this particular特定 show显示.
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这档节目的名字
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It was a quote引用 from one of the men男人,
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名字取自其中一个男人说过的话
06:39
and the quote引用 was,
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他说
06:40
"A Black黑色 Woman女人 Stole披肩 My Job工作."
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“黑人女人偷走了我的工作”
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And they all told their stories故事,
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他们讲着自己的故事
理应得到工作,理应升迁
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qualified合格 for jobs工作,
qualified合格 for promotions促销,
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然而失败了,他们很愤怒
06:48
didn't get it, really angry愤怒.
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06:49
And then it was my turn to speak说话,
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轮到我说话了
06:51
and I said, "I have
just one question for you guys,
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我说,我只想问你们一个问题
06:53
and it's about the title标题 of the show显示,
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关于这个节目的名字的
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'A Black黑色 Woman女人 Stole披肩 My Job工作.'
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“黑人女人偷走了我的工作”
06:58
Actually其实, it's about
one word in the title标题.
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其实我就想问里面的一个词
我想知道,这个“我的”是哪来的
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I want to know about the word 'my“我.'
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07:03
Where did you get the idea理念
it was your job工作?
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你凭什么认为这就该是你的工作?
07:07
Why isn't the title标题 of the show显示,
'A'一个 Black黑色 Woman女人 Got the Job工作?'
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为什么名字不是“黑人女人得到了那份工作”?
07:10
or 'A'一个 Black黑色 Woman女人 Got A Job工作?'"
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或者“黑人女人得到了工作”?
07:13
Because without confronting面对
men's男装 sense of entitlement权利,
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因为如果不去面对男性这种自认有权得到一切的心理
07:16
I don't think we'll ever understand理解
why so many许多 men男人 resist gender性别 equality平等.
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我们就不可能理解为什么男人如此抗拒性别平等
(掌声)
07:20
(Applause掌声)
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07:27
Look, we think this
is a level水平 playing播放 field领域,
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这就是我们以为的“公平的“环境
07:30
so any policy政策 that tilts倾斜 it
even a little bit,
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所以一旦有政策稍稍倾斜
07:32
we think, "Oh my God,
water's水的 rushing uphill上坡.
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就有人觉得,天啊,大事不好了
这简直就是对我们的歧视啊
07:34
It's reverse相反 discrimination区别 against反对 us."
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07:36
(Laughter笑声)
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(笑)
07:37
So let me be very clear明确:
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我希望大家能认识到
07:39
white白色 men男人 in Europe欧洲 and the United联合的 States状态
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在欧洲和美国的白种男性
07:42
are the beneficiaries受益者 of the single
greatest最大 affirmative肯定 action行动 program程序
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是历史上伟大的平权运动中
07:46
in the history历史 of the world世界.
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最大的受益者
07:48
It is called "the history历史 of the world世界."
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这就是所谓的“世界史”
07:50
(Laughter笑声) (Applause掌声)
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(笑)(掌声)
07:56
So, now I've established既定
some of the obstacles障碍 to engaging men男人,
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现在我说的都是阻碍男性参与性别平等运动的障碍
08:01
but why should we support支持 gender性别 equality平等?
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那么为什么我们要支持性别平等呢?
08:03
Of course课程, it's fair公平,
it's right and it's just.
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没错,这是正确的事,公正的事
08:07
But more than that,
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然而不止于此,
08:08
gender性别 equality平等 is also
in our interest利益 as men男人.
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性别平等对男性来说 也是有利的
08:13
If you listen to what men男人 say
about what they want in their lives生活,
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如果你去听听男性心中的理想生活
08:18
gender性别 equality平等 is actually其实 a way
for us to get the lives生活 we want to live生活.
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就会明白 性别平等是可以帮助我们过上我们理想的生活的
08:23
Gender性别 equality平等 is good for countries国家.
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性别平等对国家来说也是有益的
08:27
It turns out, according根据 to most studies学习,
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多项研究显示
08:31
that those countries国家
that are the most gender性别 equal等于
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那些相对来说男女地位更加平等的社会
08:34
are also the countries国家 that score得分了 highest最高
on the happiness幸福 scale规模.
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幸福度也是越高的
08:39
And that's not just because
they're all in Europe欧洲.
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注意 并不只是因为他们都是欧洲国家啊
08:41
(Laughter笑声)
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(笑)
08:42
Even within Europe欧洲, those countries国家
that are more gender性别 equal等于
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在欧洲范围内,也是男女越平等
08:46
also have the highest最高 levels水平 of happiness幸福.
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幸福度越高
08:50
It is also good for companies公司.
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性别平等对公司来讲也是好事
08:52
Research研究 by Catalyst催化剂 and others其他
has shown显示 conclusively确凿
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Catalyst 以及其他一些机构的调查显示
08:56
that the more gender-equal两性平等 companies公司 are,
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如果一家公司对待男女的方式越平等
09:00
the better it is for workers工人,
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对于员工是越有利的
09:04
the happier幸福 their labor劳动 force is.
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员工的幸福度会更高
09:06
They have lower降低 job工作 turnover周转.
They have lower降低 levels水平 of attrition摩擦.
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工作流动率更低,员工也会更专心工作
09:10
They have an easier更轻松 time recruiting招聘.
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这样的公司更容易招揽人才
09:12
They have higher更高 rates利率 of retention保留,
higher更高 job工作 satisfaction满意,
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员工的忠诚度和工作满足感都更高
09:15
higher更高 rates利率 of productivity生产率.
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生产率也会提高
09:17
So the question I'm often经常 asked
in companies公司 is,
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在公司里我经常被问到的问题是
09:20
"Boy男孩, this gender性别 equality平等 thing,
that's really going to be expensive昂贵, huh?"
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哦,你说的这个性别平等,要花很多钱吧
09:24
And I say, "Oh no, in fact事实,
what you have to start开始 calculating计算
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我说,并不是的,你反倒要算算
09:28
is how much gender性别 inequality不等式
is already已经 costing成本核算 you.
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性别不平等浪费了你多少钱
09:32
It is extremely非常 expensive昂贵."
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性别不平等才费钱呢
09:34
So it is good for business商业.
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所以性别平等也会促进商业
09:37
And the other thing is, it's good for men男人.
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另外,性别平等对男性是有利的
09:41
It is good for the kind of lives生活
we want to live生活,
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会帮助男性过上我们想要的生活
09:44
because young年轻 men男人 especially特别
have changed enormously巨大,
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因为现在年轻男性的想法变了
09:48
and they want to have lives生活
that are animated动画
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他们希望可以
09:51
by terrific了不起 relationships关系
with their children孩子.
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和自己的孩子们保持良好的父子关系
09:53
They expect期望 their partners伙伴,
their spouses配偶, their wives妻子,
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他们乐见自己的伴侣,自己的妻子
09:57
to work outside the home
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走出家门去工作
09:58
and be just as committed提交
to their careers职业生涯 as they are.
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和自己一样 投入地经营事业
10:02
I was talking, to give you
an illustration插图 of this change更改 --
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我来讲一件事 可以大概让你们知道改变有多大
10:06
Some of you may可能 remember记得 this.
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你们可能有人会记得
10:08
When I was a lot younger更年轻,
there was a riddle谜语 that was posed构成 to us.
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当我还年轻的时候,那时候有道脑筋急转弯题目
10:13
Some of you may可能 winceWINCE
to remember记得 this riddle谜语.
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你们可能有人还记得这个
10:15
This riddle谜语 went something like this.
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那道题是这样的
10:18
A man and his son儿子
are driving主动 on the freeway高速公路,
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说一个男人在高速上开车载着他儿子
10:21
and they're in a terrible可怕 accident事故,
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突然发生了很严重的车祸
10:23
and the father父亲 is killed杀害,
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父亲死了
10:25
and the son儿子 is brought
to the hospital醫院 emergency room房间,
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儿子被送到急诊室
10:28
and as they're bringing使 the son儿子
into the hospital醫院 emergency room房间,
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当这个儿子被推进去的时候
10:32
the emergency room房间 attending出席 physician医师
sees看到 the boy男孩 and says,
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急诊室的当班大夫看到这个男孩说
10:35
"Oh, I can't treat对待 him, that's my son儿子."
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我不能救治他啊,他是我的儿子
10:38
How is this possible可能?
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这是怎么回事呢?
10:40
We were flummoxed狼狈 by this.
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我们都傻眼了
10:42
We could not figure数字 this out.
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完全想不出怎么回事
10:44
(Laughter笑声)
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(笑)
10:46
Well, I decided决定 to do a little experiment实验
with my 16-year-年 old son儿子.
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我打算拿我16岁的儿子做个实验
10:49
He had a bunch of his friends朋友
hanging out at the house
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那天他正和一群朋友
10:53
watching观看 a game游戏 on TV电视 recently最近.
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在家里看电视
10:55
So I decided决定 I would pose提出
this riddle谜语 to them,
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我打算拿这道题考考他们
10:57
just to see, to gauge测量 the level水平 of change更改.
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看看我们这两代的差别
11:00
Well, 16-year-old-岁 boys男孩,
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这群16岁的男孩子
11:02
they immediately立即 turned转身 to me
and said, "It's his mom妈妈." Right?
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很快就转向我,说,因为那是他的妈妈
11:06
No problem问题. Just like that.
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就是这么回事!
11:08
Except for my son儿子, who said,
"Well, he could have two dads爸爸."
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而我儿子说,嗯 也有可能他有两个爸爸
11:11
(Laughter笑声) (Applause掌声)
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(笑)
11:17
That's an index指数, an indicator指示符
of how things have changed.
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从这就能看出时代在变化
11:21
Younger更年轻 men男人 today今天 expect期望
to be able能够 to balance平衡 work and family家庭.
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年轻一代的男性希望他们可以平衡工作和生活
11:26
They want to be dual-career双职工,
dual-carer双护工 couples情侣.
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他们想要兼顾事业和家庭
11:32
They want to be able能够 to balance平衡
work and family家庭 with their partners伙伴.
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和他们的伴侣一起
11:35
They want to be involved参与 fathers父亲.
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参与到孩子们的生活
11:37
Now, it turns out
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事实证明
11:39
that the more egalitarian平均主义
our relationships关系,
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婚姻中双方关系越平等
11:43
the happier幸福 both partners伙伴 are.
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夫妻的幸福感会越高
11:46
Data数据 from psychologists心理学家 and sociologists社会学家
are quite相当 persuasive说服力 here.
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心理学家和社会学家的研究数据都很有说服力
11:50
I think we have the persuasive说服力 numbers数字,
the data数据, to prove证明 to men男人
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我想我们是可以拿着这些数据去说服男性同胞们
11:56
that gender性别 equality平等
is not a zero-sum零和 game游戏, but a win-win双赢.
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告诉他们性别平等不是零和博弈,而是一场双赢
12:00
Here's这里的 what the data数据 show显示.
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数据显示
12:02
Now, when men男人 begin开始
the process处理 of engaging
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对了,当男性参与到平衡
12:08
with balancing平衡 work and family家庭,
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工作和家庭的事务中时
12:09
we often经常 have two phrases短语
that we use to describe描述 what we do.
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我们经常会用两个词形容
12:13
We pitch沥青 in and we help out.
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男人来“搭把手”或者“帮帮忙”
12:15
(Laughter笑声)
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(笑)
12:16
And I'm going to propose提出
something a little bit more radical激进,
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现在我想换一个更激进的词
12:19
one word: "share分享."
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叫“共同分担”
12:21
(Laughter笑声)
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(笑)
12:22
Because here's这里的 what the data数据 show显示:
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数据显示
12:24
when men男人 share分享 housework家务 and childcare育儿,
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当男性开始分担家务、照料孩子
12:26
their children孩子 do better in school学校.
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孩子在学校的表现会提高
12:29
Their children孩子 have lower降低 rates利率
of absenteeism旷工,
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这些孩子的缺勤率更低
12:32
higher更高 rates利率 of achievement成就.
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表现更好
12:33
They are less likely容易
to be diagnosed确诊 with ADHD多动症.
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患注意力不集中症的概率更小
12:36
They are less likely容易
to see a child儿童 psychiatrist心理医生.
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患儿童精神疾病的概率更小
12:39
They are less likely容易
to be put on medication药物治疗.
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甚至更少生病
12:42
So when men男人 share分享 housework家务 and childcare育儿,
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也就是说,当男人开始分担家务和照顾孩子之后
12:45
their children孩子 are happier幸福 and healthier健康,
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孩子们可以变得更健康更快乐
12:48
and men男人 want this.
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而这也是男人所希望的
12:51
When men男人 share分享 housework家务 and childcare育儿,
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当男人开始分担家务和照顾孩子之后
12:53
their wives妻子 are happier幸福. Duh.
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他们的太太们更开心(这还用说吗)
12:57
Not only that, their wives妻子 are healthier健康.
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不仅如此,太太们也会更健康
13:00
Their wives妻子 are less likely容易
to see a therapist治疗师,
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她们更少生病
13:02
less likely容易 to be diagnosed确诊
with depression萧条,
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患抑郁症的几率下降
13:04
less likely容易 to be put on medication药物治疗,
more likely容易 to go to the gym健身房,
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吃药的几率下降并更愿意去健身房锻炼
13:08
report报告 higher更高 levels水平
of marital婚姻 satisfaction满意.
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婚姻的满足感更高
13:11
So when men男人 share分享 housework家务 and childcare育儿,
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所以 当男人开始分担家务和照顾孩子
13:13
their wives妻子 are happier幸福 and healthier健康,
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他们的太太会更健康 更开心
13:15
and men男人 certainly当然 want this as well.
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而这也是男人们想要的
13:18
When men男人 share分享 housework家务 and childcare育儿,
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另外,当男人开始分担家务和照顾孩子
13:20
the men男人 are healthier健康.
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他们自己也会变的更健康
13:22
They smoke抽烟 less, drink less,
take recreational休闲 drugs毒品 less often经常.
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喝酒抽烟少了,用消遣性药品的次数也少了
13:26
They are less likely容易 to go to the ERER
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不用再常跑急诊室了
13:29
but more like to go to a doctor医生
for routine常规 screenings放映.
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只是会更经常地去医院做例行体检
13:32
They are less likely容易 to see a therapist治疗师,
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不再常去看心理医生
13:34
less likely容易 to be diagnosed确诊
with depression萧条,
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患抑郁症的几率下降
13:36
less likely容易 to be taking服用
prescription处方 medication药物治疗.
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更少生病
13:39
So when men男人 share分享 housework家务 and childcare育儿,
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当男人开始分担家务和照顾孩子之后
13:41
the men男人 are happier幸福 and healthier健康.
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他们自己变得更健康 更开心
13:44
And who wouldn't不会 want that?
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难道有人不想吗?
13:46
And finally最后,
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最后
13:47
when men男人 share分享 housework家务 and childcare育儿,
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当男人开始分担家务和照顾孩子之后
13:49
they have more sex性别.
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他们做爱的次数更多了
13:51
(Laughter笑声)
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(笑)
13:52
Now, of these four fascinating迷人 findings发现,
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好吧,你猜这四项研究结果当中
13:55
which哪一个 one do you think
Men's男装 Health健康 magazine杂志 put on its cover?
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哪一个会登上 男士健康 的杂志封面?
13:57
(Laughter笑声)
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(笑)
14:00
"Housework家务 Makes使 Her Horny角质.
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“家务令她更性感”
14:03
(Not When She Does It.)"
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(当做家务的人不是她)
14:05
(Laughter笑声)
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(笑)
14:06
Now, I will say,
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不过
我要提醒在座的男士
14:09
just to remind提醒 the men男人 in the audience听众,
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14:12
these data数据 were collected
over a really long period of time,
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这些数据可是通过长期观察得来的
14:15
so I don't want listeners听众 to say,
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我可不想听到有人说
14:18
"Hmm, OK, I think
I'll do the dishes碗碟 tonight今晚."
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哦,那好,今晚我来洗碗好了
14:21
These data数据 were collected
over a really long period of time.
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这个结果不是一天两天就得到的
14:25
But I think it shows节目 something important重要,
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男士健康杂志会把这个调查结果放上封面
14:29
that when Men's男装 Health健康 magazine杂志
put it on their cover,
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起个名字叫 “家务游戏”,我知道你们会喜欢这个
14:31
they also called,
you'll你会 love this, "ChoreplayChoreplay."
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这其实表明了一个很重要的事实
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So, what we found发现
is something really important重要,
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这就是
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that gender性别 equality平等
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性别平等是对各方都有利的
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is in the interest利益 of countries国家,
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对国家
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of companies公司, and of men男人,
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对企业,对男性
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and their children孩子 and their partners伙伴,
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对他们的孩子以及伴侣来说都如此
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that gender性别 equality平等
is not a zero-sum零和 game游戏.
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性别平等不是一种零和博弈
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It's not a win-lose输赢.
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不是哪方非赢即输
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It is a win-win双赢 for everyone大家.
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而是对于每个人来说的共赢局面
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And what we also know
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我们要明确
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is we cannot不能 fully充分 empower授权 women妇女 and girls女孩
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只有当我们让男人以及男孩们加入到我们的行列
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unless除非 we engage从事 boys男孩 and men男人.
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才可以真正赋予女人和女孩儿们平等权利
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We know this.
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我们要明确这一点
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And my position位置 is
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而且我认为
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that men男人 need the very things
that women妇女 have identified确定
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如果男同胞们想要过上我们理想中的生活
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that they need to live生活 the lives生活
they say they want to live生活
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我们需要的正是
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in order订购 to live生活 the lives生活
that we say we want to live生活.
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和女性过上她们理想生活所需要的一样的东西
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In 1915, on the eve前夕 of one
of the great suffrage选举权 demonstrations示威
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那是1915年,纽约第五大道上
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down Fifth第五 Avenue大街 in New York纽约 City,
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还有为争取女性选举权游行的人群
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a writer作家 in New York纽约
wrote an article文章 in a magazine杂志,
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一天夜里,纽约的一位作家在为杂志写稿
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and the title标题 of the article文章 was,
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文章的题目是
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"Feminism女性主义 for Men男人."
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“给男性的女性主义”
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And this was the first line线
of that article文章:
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文章开头第一句话是
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"Feminism女性主义 will make it possible可能
for the first time for men男人 to be free自由."
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“女性主义会首次开启一个真正解放男性的时代”
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Thank you.
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谢谢各位
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(Applause掌声)
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(鼓掌)
Translated by April Chen
Reviewed by Hayley Kang

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ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Michael Kimmel - Sociologist
The author of "Angry White Men," Michael Kimmel is a pre-eminent scholar of men and masculinity.

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Sociologist Michael Kimmel is among the leading researchers and writers on men and masculinity in the world. He's the executive director of the Center for the Study of Men and Masculinities at Stony Brook University, where he is also Distinguished University Professor of Sociology and Gender Studies.

He is the author of many books, including Manhood in AmericaAngry White Men, and the best seller Guyland: The Perilous World Where Boys Become Men. An activist for gender equality for more than 30 years, he was recently called "the world's preeminent male feminist" by the Guardian.

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