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Kang Lee: Can you really tell if a kid is lying?
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Are children poor liars? Do you think you can easily detect their lies? Developmental researcher Kang Lee studies what happens physiologically to children when they lie. They do it a lot, starting as young as two years old, and they're actually really good at it. Lee explains why we should celebrate when kids start to lie and presents new lie-detection technology that could someday reveal our hidden emotions.
Kang Lee - Developmental researcher
Kang Lee has devoted his career to understanding the development of social cognition and behavior. Full bio
Kang Lee has devoted his career to understanding the development of social cognition and behavior. Full bio
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Hi.
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Let me ask the audience a question:
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Did you ever lie as a child?
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If you did, could you please
raise your hand?
raise your hand?
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Wow! This is the most honest
group of people I've ever met.
group of people I've ever met.
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(Laughter)
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So for the last 20 years,
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I've been studying
how children learn to tell lies.
how children learn to tell lies.
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And today, I'm going to share with you
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some of the discoveries we have made.
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But to begin, I'm going to tell you
a story from Mr. Richard Messina,
a story from Mr. Richard Messina,
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who is my friend and an elementary
school principal.
school principal.
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He got a phone call one day.
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The caller says,
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"Mr. Messina, my son Johnny
will not come to school today
will not come to school today
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because he's sick."
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Mr. Messina asks,
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"Who am I speaking to, please?"
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And the caller says,
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"I am my father."
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(Laughter)
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So this story --
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(Laughter)
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sums up very nicely
three common beliefs we have
three common beliefs we have
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about children and lying.
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One, children only come to tell lies
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after entering elementary school.
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Two, children are poor liars.
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We adults can easily detect their lies.
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And three, if children lie
at a very young age,
at a very young age,
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there must be some
character flaws with them,
character flaws with them,
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and they are going to become
pathological liars for life.
pathological liars for life.
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Well, it turns out
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all of the three beliefs are wrong.
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We have been playing guessing games
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with children all over the world.
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Here is an example.
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So in this game, we asked children
to guess the numbers on the cards.
to guess the numbers on the cards.
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And we tell them if they win the game,
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they are going to get a big prize.
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But in the middle of the game,
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we make an excuse and leave the room.
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And before we leave the room,
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we tell them not to peek at the cards.
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Of course,
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we have hidden cameras in the room
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to watch their every move.
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Because the desire
to win the game is so strong,
to win the game is so strong,
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more than 90 percent of children will peek
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as soon as we leave the room.
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(Laughter)
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The crucial question is:
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When we return and ask the children
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whether or not they have peeked,
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will the children who peeked confess
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or lie about their transgression?
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We found that regardless
of gender, country, religion,
of gender, country, religion,
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at two years of age,
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30 percent lie,
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70 percent tell the truth
about their transgression.
about their transgression.
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At three years of age,
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50 percent lie and 50 percent
tell the truth.
tell the truth.
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At four years of age,
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more than 80 percent lie.
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And after four years of age,
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most children lie.
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So as you can see,
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lying is really a typical part
of development.
of development.
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And some children begin to tell lies
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as young as two years of age.
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So now, let's take a closer look
at the younger children.
at the younger children.
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Why do some but not all
young children lie?
young children lie?
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In cooking, you need good ingredients
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to cook good food.
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And good lying requires
two key ingredients.
two key ingredients.
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The first key ingredient
is theory of mind,
is theory of mind,
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or the mind-reading ability.
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Mind reading is the ability to know
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that different people have
different knowledge about the situation
different knowledge about the situation
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and the ability to differentiate
between what I know
between what I know
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and what you know.
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Mind reading is important for lying
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because the basis of lying is that I know
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you don't know
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what I know.
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Therefore, I can lie to you.
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The second key ingredient
for good lying is self-control.
for good lying is self-control.
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It is the ability to control your speech,
your facial expression
your facial expression
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and your body language,
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so that you can tell a convincing lie.
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And we found that those young children
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who have more advanced mind-reading
and self-control abilities
and self-control abilities
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tell lies earlier
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and are more sophisticated liars.
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As it turns out, these two abilities
are also essential for all of us
are also essential for all of us
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to function well in our society.
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In fact, deficits in mind-reading
and self-control abilities
and self-control abilities
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are associated with serious
developmental problems,
developmental problems,
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such as ADHD and autism.
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So if you discover your two-year-old
is telling his or her first lie,
is telling his or her first lie,
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instead of being alarmed,
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you should celebrate --
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(Laughter)
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because it signals that your child
has arrived at a new milestone
has arrived at a new milestone
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of typical development.
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Now, are children poor liars?
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Do you think you can easily
detect their lies?
detect their lies?
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Would you like to give it a try?
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Yes? OK.
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So I'm going to show you two videos.
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In the videos,
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the children are going to respond
to a researcher's question,
to a researcher's question,
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"Did you peek?"
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So try to tell me
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which child is lying
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and which child is telling the truth.
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Here's child number one.
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Are you ready?
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(Video) Adult: Did you peek? Child: No.
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Kang Lee: And this is child number two.
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(Video) Adult: Did you peek? Child: No.
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KL: OK, if you think
child number one is lying,
child number one is lying,
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please raise your hand.
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And if you think child number two
is lying, please raise your hand.
is lying, please raise your hand.
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OK, so as a matter of fact,
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child number one is telling the truth,
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child number two is lying.
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Looks like many of you are terrible
detectors of children's lies.
detectors of children's lies.
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(Laughter)
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Now, we have played similar kinds of games
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with many, many adults
from all walks of life.
from all walks of life.
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And we show them many videos.
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In half of the videos, the children lied.
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In the other half of the videos,
the children told the truth.
the children told the truth.
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And let's find out
how these adults performed.
how these adults performed.
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Because there are as many liars
as truth tellers,
as truth tellers,
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if you guess randomly,
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there's a 50 percent chance
you're going to get it right.
you're going to get it right.
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So if your accuracy is around 50 percent,
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it means you are a terrible detector
of children's lies.
of children's lies.
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So let's start with undergrads
and law school students,
and law school students,
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who typically have
limited experience with children.
limited experience with children.
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No, they cannot detect children's lies.
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Their performance is around chance.
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Now how about social workers
and child-protection lawyers,
and child-protection lawyers,
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who work with children on a daily basis?
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Can they detect children's lies?
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No, they cannot.
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(Laughter)
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What about judges,
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customs officers
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and police officers,
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who deal with liars on a daily basis?
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Can they detect children's lies?
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No, they cannot.
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What about parents?
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Can parents detect other children's lies?
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No, they cannot.
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What about, can parents
detect their own children's lies?
detect their own children's lies?
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No, they cannot.
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(Laughter) (Applause)
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So now you may ask
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why children's lies
are so difficult to detect.
are so difficult to detect.
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Let me illustrate this
with my own son, Nathan.
with my own son, Nathan.
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This is his facial expression
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when he lies.
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(Laughter)
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So when children lie,
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their facial expression
is typically neutral.
is typically neutral.
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However, behind this neutral expression,
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the child is actually experiencing
a lot of emotions,
a lot of emotions,
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such as fear, guilt, shame
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and maybe a little bit of liar's delight.
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(Laughter)
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Unfortunately, such emotions
are either fleeting or hidden.
are either fleeting or hidden.
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Therefore, it's mostly invisible to us.
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So in the last five years,
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we have been trying to figure out a way
to reveal these hidden emotions.
to reveal these hidden emotions.
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Then we made a discovery.
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We know that underneath our facial skin,
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there's a rich network of blood vessels.
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When we experience different emotions,
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our facial blood flow changes subtly.
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And these changes are regulated
by the autonomic system
by the autonomic system
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that is beyond our conscious control.
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By looking at facial blood flow changes,
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we can reveal people's hidden emotions.
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Unfortunately, such emotion-related
facial blood flow changes
facial blood flow changes
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are too subtle to detect by our naked eye.
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So to help us reveal
people's facial emotions,
people's facial emotions,
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we have developed a new imaging technology
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we call "transdermal optical imaging."
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To do so, we use a regular
video camera to record people
video camera to record people
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when they experience
various hidden emotions.
various hidden emotions.
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And then, using our image
processing technology,
processing technology,
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we can extract transdermal images
of facial blood flow changes.
of facial blood flow changes.
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By looking at transdermal video images,
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now we can easily see
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facial blood flow changes associated
with the various hidden emotions.
with the various hidden emotions.
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And using this technology,
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we can now reveal the hidden emotions
associated with lying,
associated with lying,
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and therefore detect people's lies.
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We can do so noninvasively,
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remotely, inexpensively,
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with an accuracy at about 85 percent,
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which is far better than chance level.
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And in addition, we discovered
a Pinocchio effect.
a Pinocchio effect.
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No, not this Pinocchio effect.
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(Laughter)
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This is the real Pinocchio effect.
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When people lie,
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the facial blood flow
on the cheeks decreases,
on the cheeks decreases,
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and the facial blood flow
on the nose increases.
on the nose increases.
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Of course, lying is not the only situation
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that will evoke our hidden emotions.
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So then we asked ourselves,
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in addition to detecting lies,
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how can our technology be used?
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One application is in education.
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For example, using this technology,
we can help this mathematics teacher
we can help this mathematics teacher
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to identify the student in his classroom
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who may experience high anxiety
about the topic he's teaching
about the topic he's teaching
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so that he can help him.
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And also we can use this in health care.
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For example, every day I Skype my parents,
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who live thousands of miles away.
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And using this technology,
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I can not only find out
what's going on in their lives
what's going on in their lives
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but also simultaneously monitor
their heart rate, their stress level,
their heart rate, their stress level,
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their mood and whether or not
they are experiencing pain.
they are experiencing pain.
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And perhaps in the future,
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their risks for heart attack
or hypertension.
or hypertension.
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And you may ask:
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Can we use this also to reveal
politicians' emotions?
politicians' emotions?
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(Laughter)
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For example, during a debate.
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Well, the answer is yes.
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Using TV footage,
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we could detect
the politicians' heart rate,
the politicians' heart rate,
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mood and stress,
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and perhaps in the future,
whether or not they are lying to us.
whether or not they are lying to us.
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We can also use this
in marketing research,
in marketing research,
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for example, to find out
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whether or not people like
certain consumer products.
certain consumer products.
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We can even use it in dating.
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So for example,
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if your date is smiling at you,
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this technology can help you to determine
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whether she actually likes you
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or she is just trying to be nice to you.
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And in this case,
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she is just trying to be nice to you.
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(Laughter)
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So transdermal optical imaging technology
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is at a very early stage of development.
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Many new applications will come about
that we don't know today.
that we don't know today.
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However, one thing I know for sure
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is that lying will never
be the same again.
be the same again.
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Thank you very much.
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Xiè xie.
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(Applause)
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ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Kang Lee - Developmental researcherKang Lee has devoted his career to understanding the development of social cognition and behavior.
Why you should listen
With an international team based at the University of Toronto, Kang Lee investigates the neurological and social basis of emerging social behaviors in young children. His two-pronged research focuses first on how and when children develop the capacity to lie, to detect liesand to feel guilty about it afterwards.
The second focus of Lee's research is facial recognition, which has led to revelations of when children develop the ability to distinguish races and has helped explain why some people occasionally see Jesus' face on a piece of toast.
Kang Lee | Speaker | TED.com